UPDATE: Developer wants to demolish Comox St church
WEST END / Turn church into community centre: NPA candidate
Shauna Lewis / Vancouver / Tuesday, February 01, 2011
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Feb 7, 5:35pm

An NPA council candidate is asking the City of Vancouver to consider purchasing the St John church at 1401 Comox St and turning it into a community centre.

In a Feb 4 letter to council, Bill McCreery urges the city to consider lending the park board funds from its community amenity contributions or the city Endowment Fund to help transform the abandoned building into a space for West End community groups.

But Vision councillor Tim Stevenson says any requests for capital funds for community centres should come from the park board and not a “lone wolf” NPA candidate for council.

“Am I trying to be political here? Yeah,” says McCreery when asked if this is a strategy to secure a seat on council this fall.  “But the city would look good as well,” he contends.

Stevenson says the city would not look good introducing at least a one percent tax increase — which would be required, he says, if it were to help the park board purchase the property from Westbank.

The United Church of Canada sold the site to Westbank Corp and Peterson Investment group for $4.25 million. Stevenson says taxes rise by one percent with every $4 million the city spends. He suspects the tax hike would be higher if Westbank sold to make a profit.

Westbank did not respond to Xtra’s request for an interview by press time.

McCreery would like to see the church utilized by many West End community groups, including BC’s queer resource centre, Qmunity.

While he has discussed his idea with parks board commissioner and fellow NPA member Ian Robertson, McCreery says he has not formally approached the entire board with the plan. He says he wanted to put the idea to the city first.

“The first step was to get council on board,” he says, admitting the idea is in its initial stages and that the plan needs “a whole lot more fleshing out.”

Feb 1

A West End community group says a developer's proposal to demolish the church at 1401 Comox St is an attempt to push through its proposal to build a 22-storey high-rise on the site.

The city tabled Westbank Corporation's contentious high-rise proposal last summer, pending more community consultation.

Randy Helten, president of the West End Neighbours (WEN), says Westbank's new proposal to tear down the site's existing building undermines the community consultation promised by the city. "We don't think it's neighbourly or gentlemanly to go ahead with this [demolition] permit right now," Helten says.

"I think they're playing the game like a chess game. They're not being very sincere to the community," he alleges.

Randy Helten, of West End Neighbours, is still hoping the city will reject Westbank's development plans for the site and forgo its rezoning.
(Courtesy of West End Neighbours)

Westbank spokesperson Jill Killeen says the company applied for the demolition permit last December after becoming aware of potential hazards posed by the vacant church.

"We're concerned about the state of the building," she says. "We're very aware of the sensitivity of the community and we respect that. But the building is a fire and safety risk."

Killeen says the 30-year-old church was deemed by BC Hydro to be a potential fire hazard, and power to the building was turned off following the most recent break-in on Jan 30. Since its vacancy, Killeen says, the building has been a continuous hotbed of activity for vandals and squatters, and last year it was targeted by thieves who stripped its copper wire and destroyed its sprinkler system.  

Helten accuses Westbank of purposely turning off the power and sprinkler systems, making the site a prime location for a fire hazard. "It was almost like they were creating the conditions to make it appear that demolition was necessary," he alleges.

The company denies the allegations. "No, we certainly did not do that," says Killeen. "Westbank did not cut off power or turn off the sprinkler systems. It was vandalism."

Killeen says the city has yet to decide on Westbank's demolition request. 

In the meantime Helten says he sent a letter to Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robinson and councillors on Jan 29 urging them to oppose the permit. He says he hasn't received any reply.

Helten is still hoping the city will reject Westbank's development plans for the site and forgo its rezoning.

Part of Westbank's Comox St proposal includes setting aside space for Qmunity, BC's queer resource centre, which could share some of the new building with Gordon Neighbourhood House. Qmunity's executive director, Jennifer Breakspear, remains hopeful. "Everything is still on track and we're in regular consultation with Westbank," she says.

Breakspear says she too has been informed of the safety risks associated with the abandoned church and says the application for a demolition permit is just standard practice.

"They're moving forward with their business," she says. "They are moving forward with development as best they can until there is approval for rezoning."

"It's well within the rights of the owner to move forward with a [demolition] permit," agrees Cherie Payne, chair of the West End Mayor's Advisory Committee.

Since forming in July 2010, the advisory committee has met with development companies in Vancouver to assess how developers reach out to members in the community. "We look at how the community can be consulted so they feel heard before development takes action," she explains.

Payne says the committee is intended to facilitate consultation but has no veto over development decisions for specific sites like 1401 Comox.

Helten, who has gained thousands of signatures on a petition he has circulated throughout the community asking for a West End community plan, says his group will continue to oppose developments that don't conform to current developing bylaws.

"We hope that the city and developers will act in good faith and not be imprudent and rash," he says.

 



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Reader Comments


 
Betrayal of trust
Westbank made a commitment to not demolish the church until the whole question about rezoning was decided. The suddenly, it reversed the decision citing fire hazards as a cause. This is not convincing to the people that have lived around and monitored the situation over these many months. The first question you might ask is why a multimillion-dollar corporation that constructs massive 22 plus story towers is unable to secure a small 2 story building? And another question you might ask is why they have not secured the building previously if the neighbours were at risk? Instead it was left to neighbours to monitor the building and report any unusual activity. Neighbours had to ask repeatedly for Westbank to address issues when they arose. They did little to prevent the vandalism of the sprinklers and they should have repaired them in the aftermath. It was a minimal expectation for the people living in the immediate vicinity of the Church. This is documented on westendneigbours.ca. This demolition permit request is another step undermining trust between the developer and the community, following a woefully inadequate consultation process and a flawed telephone survey. And Westbank wonders why the community does not trust their intentions. There is a serious credibility gap and any attempt to understand the situation makes it apparent that Westbank needs to move beyond a simplistic PR approach if it wishes to garner the support of the community.
Diane, Vancouver BC
02/02/11 11:36 PM EST
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The WEN Group .... Selfish ?
I'd like to take a moment and make the point that the WEN group, does NOT speak for EVERYONE living in the city of Vancouver - more specifically, the West end. As a resident of the West End since 1985, I have watched this area grow and develop into one of the most liveable areas in a city any where in the world. Over the decades, Vancouver city planners have done a wonderful job making sure that development had been carried out in a very healthy and sustainable way. Without doubt, Yaletown, Coal Harbour, etc have been thoughtfully planned out and developed in ways that have been the envy of other cities around the world. A city like Vancouver that is basically surrounded by water has little choice but to develop upwards. I wonder if in a few short years these people that make up the WEN group would be willing to tell people from other parts of Canada or indeed other parts of the world that they can't move to Vancouver because there's no rental units to rent (under 2,000 per month) and zero condo apartments to buy. Would this group be willing to tell someone that has worked hard to give themselves a hand up in their lives and want to spend their hard earned saving that they have to stay living in their current part of the city because there's hasn't been enough new buildings built to accommodate them in the downtown area of Vancouver. Stop being so self-centred and look beyond your noses to the future. What about the tax base that pays the fire, police, and transit services and the raises that these employees ask for ? Are you going to tell them that because the tax base isn't growing fast and large enough that they will have to work at the same wage level for the next 4, 5 and beyond ? How do you think that might go over with these thousands of unionized employees ? It's time for people to think before they take to the streets and city hall to try and stop Vancouver's development. As with most everything in life, there's two sides to every story.
Jeff Taylor, Vancouver BC
02/03/11 3:16 AM EST
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The West End Needs a Community Plan
The West End Neighbours Group (WEN) has been asking consistently for a community plan to allow the West End to move forward in a manner that respects the needs of the neighbourhood. As noted by another commenter, Vancouver city planners have in the past been successful in creating liveable attractive communities that are the envy of many other cities - these communities have been built through the implementation of community plans. We need a similar level of care in the planning for the future of the West End - a level of care that has not been in evidence in the last several years. Allowing the development industry to decide the future of the West End on a site by site basis is bound to create a result that benefits developer interests over those of residents. A community plan will all interests to be represented and allow the neighbourhood to move forward in an organized predictable manner.
Michael, Vancouver BC
02/03/11 1:06 PM EST
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Responsible Planning
The West End is an excellent example of working eco-density. West Enders have embraced density from day one, and they are no more selfish than anyone else. West Enders do not want to ruin a beautiful neighbourhood and city by spot rezoning for unsustainable glass high-rises as accomodations for wealthy off-shore expats who displace long term residents. The West End should be used as a model for all parts of Vancouver and other cities, as it was carefully planned in the 80's and 90's. If the city's core is ruined, the city is ruined. Would you build high-rises in centre-ville Paris because more people want to live there, and demolish heritage buildings, greenspace, old trees and churches? West Enders want a plan for future and responsible development. They take pride in their neighbourhood and city.
Michelle, Vanouver BC
02/03/11 4:11 PM EST
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Timing is everything
As with so many things in life, the sequence of things is everything. Neighbouring residents observed the security alarm, water, and electricity to the church being shut off many weeks before the first break-in. Had a light or two been left on at night, the security alarm system and water supply been left on, vandals may have stayed away. Could the developer not have considered those meager costs as an investment in goodwill. If the church goes down and a new one goes up, they and everyone associated will be drawing heavily on the community's Bank of Goodwill. Suggestion: The development industry might want to consider adopting a code of conduct or ethical guidelines to indicate to companies like these how to avoid besmirching their peers in the entire industry.
ThinkItOut, Vancouver BC
02/03/11 4:19 PM EST
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Sad News
Why can't they fix up the church?
Dan, Mission B.C.
02/05/11 2:09 AM EST
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Interesting YouTube
Apparently this YouTube video is about Westbank, Stratcom, Vision Vancouver, Mayor Gregor Robertson and the proposed demolition of the church at 1401 Comox St. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i5XbxNOZp4g
Dan, Mission B.C.
02/05/11 2:45 AM EST
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Knock er down
Progress will happen and building will move forward always and forever as the Earth's population continues to grow. It's a church, and not everyone wants the church to stay. In fact, I would like to see ALL churches demolished! I'd rather have empty lots than churches, so there you go. A differing opinion....boo hoo. Religion is evil and fake , a new building is not.
Marc, Vancouver bc
02/05/11 5:34 PM EST
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Stevenson is clueless
Where your money was spent last year The City of Vancouver is a $1 billion-a-year enterprise. With a mandate ranging from public safety to maintaining parks and recreation centres, Vancouver's operating budget was $961 million in 2010. 1% of $1 billion is $10 million not $4 million.
Live in the WestEnd, Vancouver BC
02/09/11 12:59 PM EST
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Stevenson's claim at tax increase is wrong.
Clr. Stevenson's assertion that property taxes would go up because of my proposal to retain St. John's Church for community use is wrong. The proposal does not require any taxpayers dollars. It is financed from "Community Amenity Contributions" for the 9 development projects currently in process in the West End as well as those in the future. Bridge financing can be provided from the City's "Property Endowment Fund". This proposal will benefit all West Enders for years to come. A second community centre location in this ever more populous neighbourhood is essential. This is the ideal location and it is available now. But, it won't be once the wrecker's ball starts to swing. The city has a one time opportunity to do something meaningful for the West End. Let's look at the political side of this matter. Yes, I am an NPA Council Candidate. And because of my Park Board and architectural experience I am confident this proposal is one worthy of serious consideration. Despite Stevenson's attempt to politicize this by his "...lone wolf” NPA candidate for council" comment above, there is an opportunity to move this forward in a non-political way. I am prepared to do so. This proposal can be completed and up and running in 6 months at no cost to taxpayers. That's just before the November election. Wouldn't it make good political sense to open a newly revived St. John's/Westbank West End Community Centre Annex in the middle of an election campaign? Vision would get lots of credit for doing so. There is an opportunity here. I encourage Vision to use it. West Ender's need this facility to remain serving the public as it has for 100 years.
Bill McCreery, Vancouver BC
02/09/11 3:11 PM EST
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Selfish, ignorant and creative
@ Jeff. WEN members selfish? I don't think so. WEN is asking for an updated comprehensive community plan. Just ask the 11,000 who agree. You will benefit too if they are successful in their aim. What's selfish about that? Clr Stephenson, you should check the facts before you speak. Who mentioned asking the City (or Parks Board) for cash to solve this issue? Study the facts before you comment so rashly. Thank you Bill McCreery for taking the time to come up with a creative solution. West Enders would be delighted to have additional sorely needed community space. To Ian Gillespie, Westbank, please consider the appalling bad media relations you are generating and the damage being done to your reputation by thoughtless, pigheaded actions and for not taking the time to listen to a proposal giving you an exit from this development. Mayor Robertson and Clr Meggs, please step up to the plate. Take this issue as your own…. if you must. WEMAC is window dressing of your shockingly bad governance. It is a sham. Everyone knows it. Time to pay attention to community needs before taking care of your own. Let's resolve this issue now...before the demolition people rip the interior of the church out, even before the demolition permit is issued. They are tearing it apart RIGHT now!
Victor, Vancouver BC
02/09/11 4:58 PM EST
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Math 101
“ Stevenson says taxes rise by one percent with every $4 million the city spends.” In fourteen words, this remark manages to be: 1) Misleading, because McCreery's suggestion is very clear about using CACs, not property taxes. 2) Bizarrely inaccurate: City of Vancouver collected a little over 605 million in property taxes in 2010 (source: city website: 63% of 961 million). One percent of 605 million is over 6 million. If we include other taxes (utilities, etc.) it is closer to 10 million, as someone correctly noted above. 3) A red herring: it sidesteps the issue of letting a property that paid no taxes for almost a century and served the community be taken away from that community. 4) Clear proof that deals with developers are inferior to taxation as a solution to city's problems. For a typical property taxpayer who, after homeowner’s grant, pays 1000-1700 $ on property taxes, 1% increase which Mr.Stevenson is fretting would result in 10-17$ more per year. So, on average, around a buck and a quarter per month per taxpayer (and not everyone even pays property taxes). Let's say, for sake of argument, that the increase is 10% instead. Thirteen or so bucks a month - a price of a buffet lunch including taxes, without tipping. So for one lunch a month, we would get a lot closer to stable communities that get to determine their own priorities instead of living in an urban jungle where historical monuments disappear overnight, schools are under funded, services cut, etc. If he is such a fiscal conservative, will Mr.Stevenson join the Tea Party?
Sinisa, Vancouver BC
02/10/11 10:10 AM EST
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Owner sets a fire in the Church
Monks in saffron robes were at St. John's Church yesterday for a service which involved open flames and required four fire extinguishers and attendance by the fire department and ambulance to determine what the architect was trying to do with the almost 30 year old 17,000 sq.ft. structure. See the story, photos and videos at westendneighbours.ca
Live in the WestEnd, Vancouver BC
02/10/11 10:53 AM EST
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Failure of democracy
Bill McCreery’s excellent proposal should have been one of the many options discussed back before this site was rezoned. Unfortunately our planning department and council have a predilection for making backroom deals, instead of soliciting and considering valuable ideas from the public. This habit leads to the type of disastrous decision making that is becoming the trademark of Vision’s term in office. Democracy is good, because citizens simply make better decisions than dictators (contrary to Gregor Robertson’s public admiration for the Chinese model). Ask the citizens of Egypt.
A backroom deal gone wrong, Vancouver BC
02/10/11 6:28 PM EST
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