Odyssey's proposed move to Denman sparks opposition
GAY SPACE / Noise pollution cited as reason for objection, not gay clientele
Shauna Lewis / Vancouver / Thursday, February 12, 2009
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Some West End residents are pleading with the city stop a popular gay nightclub from moving to their neighborhood, pointing to unwanted noise pollution —not the club’s predominantly queer clientele —as the reason for their protest.

“I don’t have an objection to the Odyssey, I don’t have an objection to the patrons. I do have an objection to nightclubs being in a residential area,” says Adele Kirwer, who rents an apartment directly behind the club’s proposed new location on Denman St.

Last spring, the club’s lease was prematurely terminated because of a joint venture between the city and the province to build social housing on the Howe street lot for people living with HIV/AIDS. The club was told it had until the fall to find a new venue.

In October the club was granted a three-month extension, pending the end of a site construction lull, from BC Housing and the city. In January, just before the Odyssey’s lease was to expire, owner Michael Levy announced that the new location would be the old Starlight Theater at 911 Denman St.

Two weeks later Levy received another three-month lease extension, buying him time before the city could complete the licensing and community consultation process. It was during the community consultation process that the city decided to hold an impromptu neighbourhood meeting to address the large number of complaints they were fielding from Denman residents regarding the Odyssey’s plan to relocate to their area. The meeting —open only to those who oppose the relocation —was held Feb 5.

Kirwer was one of many concerned residents in attendance. Wayne Wallace and partner Matthew Joselin were also there.

“It’s not a gay or straight issue, it’s about having a nightclub in a residential area,” says Wallace, who owns a condo on the same block as the Denman St site. “It doesn’t matter what kind of club went there,” he adds. “I would not be for it.”

Wallace, who has been to the Odyssey, says he moved from Davie to Denman St two years ago. He says he and Joselin live in a quieter neighborhood but fears that will change if the Odyssey moves in.

“We are going to do our best to make sure the community is not disrupted,” Levy assures.

He says he has conducted sound tests inside the club to ensure the level of internal noise complies with city regulations, adding that he plans to make sure that anyone wreaking havoc and causing excessive noise will be dealt with.

But those who oppose the relocation aren’t convinced.

“Regardless of them [Odyssey] saying they can control the noise, they can’t,” Wallace counters. Kirwer agrees, saying that despite the fact the area is currently not home to a cabaret, it can still get loud late at night when club-goers return home to Denman. “Add 225 more people to that and it just becomes unmanageable,” she says.

In the past Denman St has been home to clubs such as Da Bong and the gay club, Denman Station. But Kirwer claims capacity numbers were smaller in past clubs.

Police are also concerned with the Odyssey’s proposed relocation.

“We don’t support the relocation to that building,” says Vancouver Police Department (VPD) Const Peter Ryan. Ryan says the upper level venue is not suitable for a nightclub as it is too difficult for patrons and police to get in and out of if an issue should arise. Overall, he says, Denman St is not appropriate as the VPD has already received many noise complaints about smaller pubs in the neighbourhood. Having a 200-plus capacity cabaret moving in will lead to more noise complaints, he says. The VPD spokesperson suggests that clubs should stay out of residential neighbourhoods and keep within the entertainment districts.

“Our clientele is not a Granville St clientele,” Levy contends, saying his main reason for keeping the Odyssey in the West End was out of protection for his patrons. “Our community feels safe in the West End, and the club is a neighborhood club,” he explains.

Queer Denman resident, Bobbie Bees, says he is in support of the club’s relocation as long as they adhere to proper noise regulations. Bees adds that some of the excuses used by residents at the meeting last week were weak. “This is Denman Street,” he emphasizes. “When the Dover Arms Pub closes, there is always noise.” 

West End Residents’ Association president Brent Granby says the organization is taking a non-partisan stance on the issue. “Clearly any business that goes in there, whether it be a nightclub or any other type of business, would have to be responsible and accountable to the community.

Kirwer says she won’t start a rally or protest but promises to follow through with the process, even if she thinks the city has done a poor job of notifying Denman street residents.

“We hand delivered them [notices] to all the buildings [in the radius] and when we couldn’t get in the building we posted them on the doors,” Lucia Cumerlato says. The licensing coordinator also says she provided building managers with multiple copies to give to tenants. Residents had three weeks from the time the city notification letters, dated Jan 21, were distributed to area residents to make their grievances known to the city, she says. Cumerlato estimates that she’s received 150 complaints about the relocation.

But Wallace his entire building only received four copies of the letter and had to photocopy and distribute them to his building.

Kirwer says she hopes the lack of information she feels was provided to the community from the city won’t impede the process and that community members’ voices will be heard prior to Feb 10 when Cumerlato closes the community consultation process and begins her report to council.

An official decision regarding the club’s future location is expected to be made when the issue goes before city council Mar 26.


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Participate in the process!!!
“Open House” for Feb. 18th at the West End Community Centre. The City of Vancouver will be mailing out notices to the residents (700 foot radius from 911 Denman) regarding the open house and will also be advertising in the Westender this week. The open house format will give everyone attending a chance to speak one-on-one to staff and the applicant regarding the application. The city feels this set-up will work better by allowing more people to express their views to staff and accommodate those who may be reluctant to stand up and speak in front of a large group of people. Attendees will need to provide their name, address, etc. when they speak with the city staff on Feb. 18th so that it is clear if they are a local resident or not. You are not required to attend for the full 2.5 hours in order to participate. This is a drop-in open house so come in anytime between 6:30 PM and 9:00 PM to voice your opposition or support as a resident affected by this relocation application to city staff. You can still attend even if you are a resident of the West End outside of the 700 foot radius from 911 Denman but you won’t receive a notice in the mail from the city and feedback is weighted according to how close you live to the proposed venue.
Adele, Vancouver BC
02/11/09 7:06 PM EST
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No need to worry
Every business venture that has ever gone into that space (including a lounge)has NEVER made a go of it up there. In roughly 14 months from their grand opening, the doors will once again be closed on another try at a business upstairs at 911 Denman Street. To all the people that are against this process, 14 months seems like a long time, but it will pass faster than you think it will. At that point you will have the peace you wanted when you moved down to the west of Denman area and the owners of the bar will find aa location back up in the Davie strip.
Jeff, Vancouver BC
02/12/09 12:30 AM EST
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Yes, there is.
The other restaurants/lounges have all failed because they all served a very small niche market. The Odyssey has a much larger following and caters to a broader clientele. They will be there for the long term.
Meg, Vancouver BC
02/15/09 12:03 AM EST
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Yes to Odyssey on Denman St.
Yes, Odyssey should be able to relocate to the proposed new location because the city terminated its lease early and they have a right to do business. Denman St. is a major thoroughfare with numerous restaurants and bars, and I don't think Odyssey moving there will hurt it.
Mike, Calgary AB
02/16/09 1:26 PM EST
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I see no problem
Denman street is a commercial street. Just off the the commercial street is a residential neighborhood. This is very simple. Businesses exist on business streets, Residents live on Residential Streets. If one does not like where they live in relation to a commercial street, MOVE!!!
Raymond, Vancouver BC
02/16/09 3:08 PM EST
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Dont be afraid
Opinions from the Other Side There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Any business has a right to be allowed to operate in a commercially zoned area for such a purpose. To not allow that right, or to try and alter it is wrong. The only thing that stands in the way is fear, and there is no need to fear. There are laws in place to control noise, there are laws in place to control crowds. There are laws in place to make sure a business does not impede on a residential area. If such laws are broken, then there are consequences. To make an "assumption" that a problem will occur, To make an assumption that places doubt, where no doubt should be placed, Is the same as being Sister Alyosius in Doubt. We can all be rest assured that there will be no trouble, no raucious behaviour. There will not be gays in the streets creating havoc or harming anyone. The greater problem here is creating Doubt, Fears, and Suspicions in Peoples Minds that something will be wrong with a Gay Nightclub on Denman Street. A showclub that will bring people to restaurants prior to the shows, straights and gays alike. With the Closing of the Majestic, we are in need of a venue where performances can be seen and people can have an opportunity to work, to hone their craft and bring entertainment value to the neighborhood. There are other bars and pubs and restaurants all along Denman Street with no harm. Give them a chance to operate, knowing and trusting that all will be well. In simply doing this,,,, ALL WILL BE WELL.
Allan, Vancouver BC
02/16/09 11:24 PM EST
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What about all the drugs? Hellllllo!
While I have always enjoyed a good night out at the O and I am sad to see the end to an era on Howe, I serious concerns with putting a gay club across the street from a high school and community centre. I think you would have to be in complete denial to try and refute the fact that drugs and dealers are an integral part of gay clubs, and if I were a parent with kids in the neighbourhood, I would be at the front of the line in the protest against this move. There has to be somewhere else closer to Granville, away from the schools that can be considered and keep the drugs away from the kids.
DJ, Vancouver BC
02/25/09 10:37 PM EST
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NOT IN MY BACKYARD
NO, NO and NO to a club on Denman. It is not the place for a night club. I live next door and I am extremely oppose to it.
Richard, Peters BC
03/09/09 1:19 PM EST
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UPDATE: You Can Still Participate!
UPDATE on Night Club Relocation Application for The Odyssey Moving to 911 Denman Street: Council DID NOT make a decision on March 26 ... it has been postponed until April 9 at 2PM. You can still affect change!!! APRIL 8 12:30PM TO 2:00PM Quiet Protest Against Night Clubs On Denman Street Organized by West End residents opposed to night clubs Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 Time: 12:30pm - 2:00pm Location: Odyssey Relocation Application Site Street: 911 Denman Street City/Town: Vancouver, BC **Why a "quiet protest"? Because the main reason so many neighbours oppose night clubs on Denman Street is due to the noise. APRIL 9 2:00PM CITY COUNCIL MEETING April 9th City Council Meeting The Planning & Environment Committee will debate and vote on the night club relocation to Denman St. application Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009 Time: 2:00pm - 5:00pm Location: Council Chamber Third Floor, City Hall Street: 453 West 12th Avenue City/Town: Vancouver, BC If you can not attend either of these events you can still email Mayor and Council and make your position known. These emails are HUGELY important, you can (and should) submit your opinion to mayor and Council at: mayorandcouncil@vancouver.ca Phone: 604.873.7276 FAX: 604.873.7419
Adele, Vancouver BC
04/07/09 12:10 PM EST
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