Odyssey ready to move to Denman St
GAY SPACE / But official approval lagging
Shauna Lewis / Vancouver / Thursday, January 15, 2009
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STUCK IN BUREAUCRATIC LIMBO. Our position is, 'You're expediting our demise from this place; expedite our revival at the other space." Say Odyssey owner Michael Levy. The club is a gay community hub, notes one of its managers, Will McGuire (above).
(SHAUNA LEWIS PHOTO)
After several months of quiet negotiations with the city, the province and various West End locations, the owner of the Odyssey has announced that the popular gay nightclub should soon have a new home.

"The place that we have chosen to move the Odyssey is the old Starlight Theatre on Denman St," Michael Levy told Xtra West Jan 8.

"I feel it's very central to the community. It's a nice-looking building, it has a nice structure, it has windows. It's the whole upstairs, which will allow us to accommodate an equal number of seats as we have here. I think it will make a great Odyssey."

The announcement puts months of community speculation on the move to rest. Levy has been searching for a new home for the club ever since the city prematurely terminated its lease on Howe St last May.

The city-owned Howe St site will soon be redeveloped into a 12-storey building with 110 units of supportive housing for people with HIV/AIDS. Construction on the project was scheduled to begin last fall but has been delayed. A spokesperson for BC Housing says the development permit approval process for the site is underway and construction should begin some time this year.

In October, the city granted Levy a three-month extension on his lease, buying the Odyssey more time to secure a new location.

Although Levy says the club's new location has now been secured, he has yet to confirm a moving date.

Levy blames the slow process of bureaucracy for the delay.

He says the province has reviewed his application to relocate the club and is now waiting for input from the city.

"Currently the application is with us," a spokesperson for BC's Liquor Control and Licensing Branch confirms. "We will be asking local government to assess the community impacts and views of the residents, and provide a resolution to the Branch saying whether they support the relocation application. A major component of our criteria is whether the local government supports the application."

Levy admits he is frustrated with how long the process is taking.

"They [the city] are the ones with the carrot and the stick," he says. "We're working as fast as we can [and] we're as eager as we can be to move. Our staff is eager to move. But it is out of our control. The city is the one that has our lease and the city is the one who can give us the license."

Levy suspects the issue will go to council next month but is urging city licensing to speed the process along, adding that renovations on the new space can't begin until the city grants a permit.

"They're not cutting us any slack," he points out. "What they could do on the licensing end of things is expedite things. Our position is: 'You're expediting our demise from this place; expedite our revival at the other space.'"  

But the city licensing coordinator says the city has no way of expediting the process —and there is no way the process will be complete by Jan 31, the date the extended lease is set to expire on Howe St.

"They haven't even applied yet," says Lucia Cumerlato.

According to Cumerlato, the city has not yet received notice from the province to move forward with the licensing and bylaw process —and until they do, the city's hands are tied.

"As soon as we get approval from the province then we can start the process," Cumerlato says.

Levy is adamant that the Odyssey shouldn't be forced to close its doors on Howe St if the city delays its application to relocate.

"They can let us stay here until the last possible minute. Until they have their building permits in order, until the financing is in order, until BC housing approves everything that needs to be approved," he says.

"I don't see the bulldozers at the door," he points out. "The last thing we want is for this place to be sitting idle for six months and the city not getting revenue, 40 people out of work and the community losing a valued establishment."  

Cumerlato estimates the entire process will take another two months. The community consultation could take up to a month, she explains, then the application has to go to city council for approval before it is finalized by the province.

Asked if council could help expedite the process, lesbian city councillor Ellen Woodsworth says she'll look into it. "Generally speaking we cannot speed up a process as that would be unfair to other applications in the process," she says.

But she doesn't anticipate a problem once the Odyssey's relocation application gets to council.

"Given that there are other liquor licenses in that area, I don't see it as being a problem. [However] it is the city's standard practice to see that the neighbourhood approves of anything that goes in," she says.

Gay councillor Tim Stevenson was unavailable for comment prior to press time.

In the meantime, Levy has applied for another extension on the Howe St lease.

But Jerry Evans, associate director of real estate for the city, says another extension won't happen.

"What we agreed to do was extend the lease until the end of January. Just because the Odyssey doesn't have a permit for the new location doesn't mean we are going to extend their lease again," he says.

"We've extended it once and we were very clear with the Odyssey that that is all we were going to extend it."

Levy says he was anticipating that the city might reject his request but says he will continue to "push a little harder" to get the extension.

As for the new venue, Levy says the space may look different but the club will continue to cater to the gay community.

"It's going to stay the same, catering to the same clientele with similar promotions. It's a formula that's worked for us for many, many years and we have no intention of altering that."

The old Starlight Theatre is situated across from King George High School and the West End Community Centre on Denman St. The surrounding streets are residential.

Although Levy acknowledges that a nightclub at that venue could pose a problem for some in the community, Brent Granby, president of the West End Residents Association, is not concerned.

"I think as long as they are respectful of the residents I don't think there is going to be a problem," he says.

Vancouver should be more active in the promotion of mixed-use zoning where businesses operate in close proximity to residential buildings, Granby adds. "It brings a lot of variety to a residential neighbourhood."



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Reader Comments


 
Govennment Lies
Both the Province and City said they would work with the Odyssy to get a new space. This makes it look like both the government and our gay representatives are doing nothing to keep a gay business going. If it was Vince and Steve at Pumpjack Tim Stevenson would make sure it worked, Look how quick the Majestic changed from restaurant to Cabara, I guess it matters who you know.
James, Vancouver BC
01/15/09 12:34 PM EST
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Politicians Lie
Our gay councilor says it's good as the new building is for the gay community and HIV/Aids, Yet when I read the BC housing website it says 50% Hiv/Aids, and McLaren housing is about as gay as Main and Hastings these days. Just anither gay organization taken over by others.
george, Vancouver BC
01/16/09 11:07 AM EST
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Patience
Ok, let's not start bashing Tim Stevenson before the application's even got to him... I have faith that man's gonna pull through for us. I'm just a little disapointed the O is moving above the Blendz, and NOT to the big theatre on Comox above the wine store and mall. Sigh. I suppose as long as it actually gets DONE at some point I should be grateful the way our uber-slow city moves.
Faye, Vancouver BC
01/19/09 8:30 PM EST
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Odyssey Belongs in Entertainment District
This article gives the impression that the neighbourhood supports a nightclub moving into this location. So far, the majority of the people I have spoken with DO NOT support a nightclub at this location. This is a predominately residential area. There are no nightclubs of the type the Odyssey operates in the area. There a a couple of pubs and one extraordinarily well sound-proofed bar in the Coast Hotel. There is no parking at this building or in the surrounding area. The streets are mostly permit parking which means clubbers are going to have to trek right through quiet residential streets to get to and from the nightclub. The one parkade is at the community centre. The building itself is VERY poorly sound-proofed and previous operations in the exact same suite in the building have had to discontinue DJ's and live music in large part due to noise complaints from the surrounding neighbours. The Dover Arms only half a block away is a constant source of complaints to the city and police due to noise. The location is 1 block away from a seniors assisted living complex. Those people can't move when the noise becomes too much. It's across the street from a school and community centre, given the inherent drug culture that comes along with the Odyssey is this really the best place for it to be? I like the Odyssey, I used to go dancing there often. I want them to stay in business. I just think they belong in the entertainment district not in a residential district. Get more info at: http://www.denmannightclub.com
Adele, West End, Vancouver BC
01/28/09 4:36 PM EST
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NO "O" in the W.O.D!!!!!!!
i agree with the previous comment! who is this brent granby? who the hell is he to step up and voice the opinions of mine and all other residents in the west of denman area on this issue! i happen to live extremly close to this proposed venue and as a long time "O" supporter and someone who is quite familier with the night clubs clientel and goings ons.... I can tell u with out a doubt this club will absolutely disrupt the neighborhood!!! i am not planning of moving out of my home so that a bunch of "clubbers" can have a place to party till the wee hours of the morning. i and many many others are absoltely 100% undoubtedly, absolutely AGAINST the "O" moving in on denman street! NO "O" in the W.O.D! keep it up in the village....the entertainment district where it belongs!
no "O" in the W.O.D!!!!, vancouver bc
02/02/09 1:35 AM EST
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diddlybeaded@0clickemail.com
We've lived three blocks away from the proposed venue for a year now and DO NOT support the club. It has no place here. There's an elementary school 3 blocks away, a high school and community centre across the street. After eleven o'clock it's dead quiet aside from the Arms, which is pretty harmless. This is the neighbourhood you're bringing go-go dancers and Shower Power to? Get real. This neighbourhood is a great place to raise a family, study for an exam, have a meal out, or just enjoy living downtown. All without any of the downsides one might expect from a big city, like clubs letting loose at 3AM and strangers circling the block looking for parking at all hours of the night. If I want to visit a club, I pay a few bucks and cab up to Davie or Granville. We have an entertainment district for a reason. NO to the O on Denman. Take it elsewhere.
G, Vancouver BC
02/02/09 10:36 PM EST
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Inappropriate Mix in Heavy Residential Area
The heritage building at 911 Denman St has already been described by City of Vancouver 'Noise Control' as having limited sound isolation capability. In 1999 Health Authority would not even allow class 2 application to proceed! What about all the street noise and traffic of drugs other than alcohol associated with this type of entertainment business? So much for the advocacy of WERA under Brent Granby! Clearly, his organization, and Councillor Ellen Woodsworth are prepared to sacrifice the quality of life of thousands in this densely populated, primarily, senior residents on the alter of free enterprise under the guise of promoting 'mixed' neighbourhoods! Most residents are constrained by rising rents and real estate costs. Hundreds of low income seniors in social housing have no other housing options. City of Vancouver doesn't owe anything to the entrepreneurs of Odyssey that would warrant the misery their business will cause surrounding residents!
gail harmer, Vancouver BC
02/03/09 2:56 PM EST
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Odessey is pathetic!!
Please!! just get rid of Ron and that whole scene!!! Start a fresh one!! Up to date and get rid of all those bad records! Time for change!! And especially the awful bartenders! And extremely stupid doormen! Sorry Its just what I think as well as lots of people think!! It had its time! That place has no place in modern Vancouver!
Terrence Crick, Vancouver BC
02/05/09 10:31 AM EST
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Wrong Location for the Odyssey
It is beyond me how the City, the Provincial Liquor Control Branch, or the West End Residents' Association could think this is a good idea. Clearly this is the wrong type of land use for this location. The original licence for this space was Class 1 - for a restaurant. This was changed to a Class 2 in 1999 to allow for live music. Noise complaints arose from this live music. Now the suggestion is to go to Class 3 to allow a nightclub that operates until 3am? This is the wrong place for a dance club. Across the street from a school, in a quiet neighbourhood, in a building with no parking are all criteria in the "no" column. The Odyssey may be a viable part of the gay entertainment scene in Vancouver, but it needs to find a better fit than this orphan space. Best wishes to the directly affected neighbours in having their voices heard.
Michael H., West End Vancouver BC
02/05/09 10:30 PM EST
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Please reconsider W.O.D.
It is my firm belief that the approval of a night club on the second floor of of a building with many windows that is surrounded by residential buildings will be a disaster! This area of town is filled with people that like the quite city life and I know that sounds like an oxy moron but it is one of the rare cities that is able to provide that high quality of life and we should not spoil it with this type of establishment. [See video of Odyssey Night Club exterior after 2:30 PM here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1usaZsguIZ0] I am not apposed to night clubs or the Odyssey for that matter as I frequented it when I was younger many times. I am however apposed to it being moved to the inappropriate location of Denman Street. I know that the argument that other bars on Denman are able to exist here without many issues. To that I will say that The Dover Arms Pub, Comox Long Bar & Grill, The Bayside Room, Checkers and The Calling are not clubs but rather small community drinking establishments for locals. I frequent all of them and support the very existence as they do provide a social connection that takes place after hours as it were.
JP, Vancouver BC
02/06/09 1:17 PM EST
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Move to the Pulse location
They should just take over the Pulse location. Even after the changes the Majestic made, its still not popular. The current management there is obviously doing a piss poor job so the space should be available in a couple of months.
Kik, Vancouver BC
02/07/09 2:45 AM EST
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