In plain sight
LOOSE END / The young woman was chatty, real chatty
Ivan Coyote / Vancouver / Thursday, February 09, 2012
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Last week I was in Calgary, doing a weeklong residency at a small university. The first night there, I drove my rental car to the closest Safeway I could find to stock my little dorm fridge and countertop with food that could be microwaved or toasted, or made with boiling water from a kettle. I can’t digest gluten (like, at all) so campus food, for the most part, is not a good idea.

I stopped at the little Starbucks kiosk to grab a coffee before shopping. The young woman with the long brown hair and the smiling eyes behind the counter was chatty. Like, real chatty. As talkative to strangers as I am. And that is saying something.

Somehow the topic of California came up. She was American. I told her I had just returned from a week in San Francisco. Her eyes lit up.

“San Francisco is my all-time favourite city.” Her eyes met mine, solid and unflinching. Still smiling. Then she raised an eyebrow. “And we both know why.”

I looked right at her. A sister. I would not have suspected. But then again, I wasn’t looking. I was here for almond butter and rice crackers. Besides, she was half my age.

I smiled, and then told her about my free gig at the university on the Thursday night.

“No way?” She went to school there. Turned out she was reading my novel in her women’s studies class. Small world. She was going to be at the gig. I thanked her for making my coffee super hot the way I like it, and I left.

Sometimes I can spot a femme a mile away, even in trackpants. Hard to describe, but I know it when I feel it. A certain curl of lip, or an almost too-long look hello. But sometimes it is hard to tell, especially if I’m not looking.

Sometimes the radar is muted outside of gayland or a super queer literary thing, in places you don’t go looking for femmes, necessarily. But there they are. Everywhere. Just like the rest of us.

We talk about this a lot, my femme friends and my sweetheart and my brothers and I. My sweetheart gets fatigued, these days, with the “femmes are invisible” dialogue, prefers to think of herself as a stealth femme warrior, sneaking in unsuspected like, in a power suit and stiletto heels, striking stereotypes from the front and assassinating assumptions of bureaucrat men in boring blue suits, strategically coming out when she feels the need, and not when she doesn’t. More empowering, she says.

Still. How does a stealthier-type femme let someone know that she might swing in his or her or their general direction, should he or she or they play their cards just right if you know what I mean?

I heard from my friend Anne, a femme tattooist, that back in the day in the bars out east some of the femmes would get small blue tattoos on the insides of their left wrists, right where their ladies’ watchbands would hide them, as a signal to the butches. Back in the good but hard and scary old days. With the three pieces of women’s clothing and the police raids and the getting your name in the paper and losing your job and the whatnot.

I also heard tell of some crafty femmes recently in the Bay Area making flower fascinators and barrettes out of hankies, because you can’t put a hanky signal in the back pocket of your jeans if you are wearing something other than jeans. And what if you are just dressed casually? What if your outfit doesn’t call for a hairpiece of any sort, or what if you are into receiving oral sex (light blue, left) but are wearing teal that night and you part your hair on the left, and it simply doesn’t work with the rest of your ensemble?

My butch friend Sir suggested, rather unfortunately in retrospect, to a brunch table full of femmes one morning that they adopt a more unusual, and thus noticeable, sign for us butches, not to mention other femmes, or whoever might be looking for a firm sign of their femme status. Sir suggested a monocle, which I thought was a genius plan, but I am glad I kept this part quiet because Sir was immediately laughed down.

A ridiculous idea, we were both informed by unanimous decree. Who wears a monocle? With what exactly? A waistcoat? Use your heads, we were told. The thing is, we thought we were using our heads.

I humbly ask that you put yourself in our boots for a minute. Imagine that you are a butch dyke buying rice crackers in a supermarket in Alberta. You are new in town and lost in the suburbs. Even if you suspect she might be queer, what are you going to do about it, huh? How can you be sure? What if you are wrong? You get a feeling, maybe call it intuition, maybe she is wearing a Tegan and Sara T-shirt (to work at Starbucks?).

Okay, well then maybe it is the way she rocks that uniform, or her Fluevogs (how can you see her feet, you rocket scientist, she is standing behind the counter, plus what femme in her right mind would wear her good boots where they could be damaged by boiling hot milk?).

Okay, maybe it is because she is playing the Indigo Girls (she is a first-year women’s studies student, you can’t count on this, they all listen to the Indigo Girls now, queer or not).

You get the conundrum, right? No one wants to be the predatory queer making eyes at the innocent straight girl serving coffee at the Starbucks kiosk in the damn suburbs.

So. I have an idea. How about you just do something totally radical? How about you just do like my new friend Melissa in Calgary did? How about you just take a chance and tell me?

I am sorry the onus is on you. Believe me, if I could think of a safe way for me to ask if you are queer without insulting you if you are not, or risking my own skin in a Safeway in the Prairies somehow, I would. Because it gets real lonely out there, sometimes. It would be nice to know.


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BORING
I can't stand how you say "risking your own skin in a Safeway in the Prairies." What I cannot stand about your self-involved, utterly narcissistic blather about you and your gender identity is that you seem to put down a lot of places and people along the way. I mean, if someone were having a bad day and looked toward you with an odd look, you would probably take offense and write somewhere that this person was giving you dirty looks for being a dyke. Whatever Ivan, write something funny, would ya'. Too serious man. You are getting really, really redundant and boring. I don't want my taxes paying for you to write and live off of my hard work. And I will be writing about THAT!.
ER, Vancovuer BC
02/09/12 4:10 AM EST
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Echoes
Actually, I disagree with ER. This isn't boring at all; it's an interesting echo of the comments men started making as women's rights became more broadly engrained in our society. Namely "Why do I have to make the first move?" It's wrapped in the extra layers of confusion of being a minority sexuality, and the definite potential in any place of running across someone violent, but I actually find it heartening that queer folks have managed to scrabble our way high enough on the socially acceptable ladder that the worry is "I don't want to hit on you if it would make you unhappy", as opposed to "I don't want to hit on you, because it will lose me my job, references, family, and status." In other words, we're average joes and joettes now. No straight guy of any level of decency wants to make the girl at the coffee counter unhappy by hitting on her. Nor do the queers "guys" o any variation. It's harder to pick out the femmes, so arguably butches have a better basis for asking them to be more forward than straight guys have with straight women. But the actual underlying problem is finally, blessedly, the same. Next up for society - ending the shaming femmes and staight gals alike feel for making interest known clearly.
Diana, Ottawa ON
02/09/12 6:49 AM EST
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My ha'penceworth
I'm butch, but that's not all I am. And a hiker. A mountain biker. An investor. A manual labourer. A photographer. A member of the community. A contributor to society. I don't need to discuss or disclose my sexual orientation with everyone I meet. Let's deconstruct this. In a straight encounter, is it any of the guy's business? Does he need to know the sexual orientation / marital status of a woman who has just caught his eye? My advice to fellow butches is just to smile and be friendly. If the lady is interested, and you're not just passing through, she'll find you again. If you're interested, you'll make it easy for her to do so. At the very least, you'll be doing some great PR. Hell, you might even be doing some missionary work. ;)
Teresa, Haverfordwest Wales, UK
02/09/12 7:42 AM EST
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really..?
"if I could think of a safe way for me to ask if you are queer without insulting you if you are not" It's an 'insult' asking if someone is queer? Debra
Debra, London Ontario
02/09/12 7:53 AM EST
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Assassinating the assumptions
If I'd gotten nothing else from this article, this beautifully-wrought phrase alone would've made it worth the read: "assassinating assumptions of bureaucrat men in boring blue suits..." However, I did get plenty from it, not the least of which is that it's a pleasure, as always, to read truly good writing. A commentor has described it as boring, and the writer as narcissistic, which surprised me. Like Ivan, I grew up in a small town, at the far OTHER end of the country, and in many ways, we were isolated. What she's written here resonates with me in many ways - in my hometown, right now, if Ivan strolled into a corner store, I can imagine her being faced with the same conundrum, because in my hometown, there are still many people who would consider it a great insult to be approached by someone - ANYONE - on the queer spectrum. Thanks for another great read.
Bobbi, Dartmouth Nova Scotia
02/09/12 7:56 AM EST
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How about this?
Ivan, if it matters to you, why don't you just come out and tell the girl that you're gay? If you're too bashful, and you're just traveling through, you could simply ask where the nearest mailbox is. Tell her that you 'want to send a souvenir to your other half back home. You like to give her a feel for the places you're visiting on your trips.' Ask the lady if she can suggest a small trinket, or a plant or something small that is special to the local area. Something that will fit in a jiffy bag! She won't feel threatened, and she might just think you're incredibly sweet. If I want someone to know my sexual orientation, or I'm wondering, I just TELL them. It's no big deal. I get it out in the open. It's then up to them to decide how to use that information. It doesn't matter if they're gay or straight, it could be the start of an interesting conversation.
Teresa, Haverfordwest Wales, UK
02/09/12 8:14 AM EST
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phoney or bully?
What a bizarre and dehumanizing world you live in where women are butches or femmes. Talk about the binary. You write about being so beyond binary yet your man act and division of women into women-women (femmes) and men-women (butches) is retrograde and misanthropic. Perhaps it's time for Xtra to find someone else to write as your shtik is way past its sell by date.
sad for the hate implied, Sorrowtown AN
02/09/12 8:26 AM EST
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Response to ER and Sad from Sorrowtown
@ER - I don't think you know what a narcissist is. Lack of empathy for another's feelings, opinions and experience of life is a primary trait. @Sad from Sorrowtown - I believe you're missing the point. Ivan isn't talking for the whole gay spectrum, and she isn't talking TO the whole grey spectrum. Maybe you could find a different column to read, one that caters more to your outlook on life?
Teresa, h Wales, UK
02/09/12 8:35 AM EST
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I need more coffee
@sad So...because Ivan didn't include ALL possibilities of gender identification and limited the content to those relevant to this article (butch and femme friends at the table, the femme at the coffee shop), then there is no merit at all? I highly doubt that this was meant to be a conprehensive study on gender, so just relax and take the article for what it's intention is.
Addie, Ottawa Ontario
02/09/12 9:02 AM EST
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The Question
@Debra It shouldn't be an insult to ask someone if they are queer or not, but unfortunately for a great many, it is.
Addie, Ottawa Ontario
02/09/12 9:21 AM EST
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Worse than an invisibility cloak
I think some of the more negative comments are getting a little caught up on the nitty gritty. Many of my friends, pre-outing think I am straight. Post-outing, most can't believe they every thought I was straight. And Ivan's hit the nail on the head with the fact that many femme's or even many walking the binary undefined (myself included), don't have a physical tell that lets you know we're a part of this big gay family. What's worse is that many of our own community don't know who the femmes are. Ivan's point is that we all need a physical tell to let our brothers and sisters know we're here, we're proud, and we're ready to go. It is a travesty that we don't know who all is a part of our community. While just telling each other we're gay is great in theory, it’s a potential world of hurt. Even with all of the concessions we've made in modern society to accept all types of people, there's still discrimination, there's still alienation, and there's still a lot of hate. One of the stereotypes I constantly face with social circles is that straight men and straight women are afraid of being hit on by a lesbian or gay man. If for arguments sake, Ivan had have outed herself, rather than dancing around, and the barista was straight, perhaps she would have thought Ivan's long gazes and subtle remarks were inappropriate advances, furthering the stereotype. More so, why invite a world of hurt by outing yourself to a stranger, when history has dictated that as a bad idea? If there was a physical tell, a way of knowing that barista was family prior to her outing herself, the conversation could have been much more engaging and friendly. More so, femme's having a physical tell will make it easier for other femme's to find them. Carry that over into the binary, and those who are very invisible, because they don't fall into either category (myself included), can indulge in the physical tell as well, and help be seen in this great community.
Annie, Cambridge Ontario
02/09/12 9:40 AM EST
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Thank you
Thank you,Ivan. As a femme in the conservative, bible belt area of the states, i often wonder if i am noticed by my fellow sisters. I do my best to let it be known with a longer than needed glance, a wink, or even simply speaking about my wife depending on the situation. It feels good to know my efforts in bridging the gap are appreciated. As always, your writing speaks to my soul and i will continue to hope for the day you speak in Texas.
Abtfldisaster, Dallas USA
02/09/12 9:46 AM EST
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signals
I quite like the idea of that blue tattoo...but maybe somewhere less discreet. I just can't imagine having to wave my wrist in front of every queer eye in this attention deficit world.
Indi, Melbourne Australia
02/09/12 10:11 AM EST
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The Femme Disclosure
As a Femme, I wear no uniform. I dont walk around in stilletos, I have no identifying tatoos such as a star on my inner arm or a rainbow icon like many do in the states. I'm classic beauty, mostly modest with seductive cleavage. I am not high fashion, but always sexy with eyes that will lure you in. NO ONE ever thinks I am a lesbian, other lesbians have their plaid shorts and polo shirts, catchy tee shirts that announce their sexuality. When they see me with my butch partner I finally get acknowledged. When encountering family out in public without my partner by my side I smile longer than normal or make a nod, start a conversation and show interest. Not neccesarily because Im looking, but to give a earned sense of belonging that doesnt always come in a hetro world. But I will not just out myself to any butch that I encounter, after I had one snarky gem reply with "Why are you telling me, perhaps you should go tell your Mommy". It stung. Ivan I wish it was easier, I wish I could carry a monacle and get the smiles and nods returned to me, to be seen, recognized and respected in the community I am often invisible.
Amber, Lodi California
02/09/12 11:09 AM EST
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wow!
I'm astounded by the amount of negativity and invective in some of the comments here. @sad, I would suggest that you gain some perspective on the many ways that Butch and Femme identities challenge binary gender norms. Statements like that, made as it was without even the basic awareness of Butch Femme history, identity or communities, make you sound terribly foolish and contrary. I'm far from tired of debates around Femme invisibility. I have been out for over 20 years and identified as a Femme for most of that time and even now the invisibility hurts. I'm tattooed (I even have Femme tattooed on my left wrist), I wear jewellery that loudly proclaims my Queerness (including one of those now infamous hanky flower clips), I kind of don't look anything like the straight women I know and yet I'm still fairly certain that I'm not seen. Our visibility so often relies upon that lingering gaze that you talk about, Ivan; it essentially relies upon you realising that you're being seen by us.
Lynsey, Glasgow Scotland
02/09/12 11:24 AM EST
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In some places, it works both ways
I sometimes struggle with being "invisible" to other queers, but I can assure you that if I meet someone I find interesting, I find a way to let them know. On the other hand, I have also been in the position of making advances to a straight woman, shortly after I moved to the north. What is easily identifiable as "butch" in Vancouver is sometimes just "hardy northern woman" up here. Yet, we still manage to find each other and figure it all out. It's all part of the dance.
Zee, Prince George BC
02/09/12 12:00 PM EST
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Haters
Jeez, there are so many haters on this site...
Alison, Vancouver BC
02/09/12 12:25 PM EST
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Life Experience
I'd like to point out to the negative comment makers that Ivan's articles express experience and opinion. This is their story of what happened in Calgary recently, not an instructive lesson on how to show your Femme side. There is no "Do this, or all the Butches will ignore you". Ivan is simply asking for a sign. And really, Ivan isn't even asking for themselves, they are asking so that all the butches and all the femmes can SEE each other without risk of incurring the wrath of the Intolerant. A truly noble request, one worthy of respect and understanding. There is no narcissistic undertone to this article, unless you want to count ER's poorly thought-out comment as part of this writing (I personally do not). What I read in this is is a call for recognition without repercussion, something we ALL need, whether gay, bi, trans, straight or questioning. I also read that there is one more brave femme out there who felt comfortable (heck she was EAGER!!) to come out to someone that would truly, honestly get it. Get it, and give an accepting response instead of a condemning one. It would be nice to think that everywhere is accepting of different lifestyles, but that is simply just not the case yet. Thank you, Ivan, for telling us one more positive story arising from a potentially awkward (or even dangerous) situation. Never boring, always enlightening :)
Jade, Vancouver BC
02/09/12 12:49 PM EST
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To every hater on this comment board
Holy crap! What is the matter with people today? Change the eff'ing channel if you don't like what's on the TV. Don't drop a hateful, vitriolic comment about something you don't have to live with, don't have to go to therapy for or don't have to incorporate into your life. Just walk the eff away. Please.
Faith, Toronto ON
02/09/12 1:51 PM EST
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In/visible
One of the challenges of writing public columns is that some readers may hold themselves so tightly in the centre of things that they feel angered by being left out of the conversation. I wonder what is at stake for ER for reacting so harshly to this column, or for Sad, in feeling left out or for thinking that somehow this column set out to speak to everyone and about all of their experiences. It's a sweet and slightly rueful little reflective story, folks, about how we try to make sure we see one another. It's about touching points of commonality and community. And we need that. Cause even though some of us don't wear 'the uniform' (whatever that means) and don't wear into easy identifiers, it doesn't mean we don't want to connect with one another. So we look folks in the eye and arch our eyebrows and smile, hoping that folks see the signs, and understand our hearts. (And monocles, while being quite awesome, are less handy than winking.)
Bangla Girl, Victoria BC
02/09/12 1:59 PM EST
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Queers literally look right through me
Seems to me this column is about finding one another, in sometimes dangerous times, and that's ok. Not all of us live in "progressive" spaces or communities, not all of us are able to freely announce ourselves everywhere we go. And not all of us are recognizable or understood or respected as some sort of queer, and sometimes, yeah, that's recognition is important to some of us. --- As a disabled person, i am often "invisible" as queer. Queers literally look right through me on their way to acknowledging other queers. So y'know what i do? i have queer shit all over my mobility scooter. Some folks (including me lol) think that kind of stuff is tacky or cheezy or sooo 1993, but when it's the only way to be seen, hey, i'm there. Sometimes it works, sometimes not so much. But it's one step, one thing i can to to be seen, acknowledged, and maybe even understood, even just a little. --- So before people go shitting on the various ways other queers try to find each another, how about you take your vitriol out on the people and systems which make it necessary for things like this to be written at all. And think beyond your own little bubble, eh? Some of us, we're just bobbing along in ours too, trying to not get shit-kicked, and trying to find connection.
romham, vancouver bc
02/09/12 2:01 PM EST
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Thank you
Just wanted to say thank you for putting yourself in plain sight and repeatedly taking a risk to fight for queer spaces while some of us are tied up in other social and political battles. Thank you for troubling gender in public spaces on a daily basis. Thank you for drawing attention to queer invisibility. Thank you for your persistence despite harsh comments from other readers. And for the record, I would gladly have my tax dollars support you and the important work you are doing.
AJF, Vancouver BC
02/09/12 2:12 PM EST
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Invisa-gay
Apparently, you people that are calling this boring or lamenting about Ivan wanting to acknowledge the femme in a non-queer situation, have never been at the coffee shop trying to put out queer smoke signals with all of your might so the butch will flirt back and not think you are just friendly. So that for once, you can feel both normal and seen. And maybe it'll balance out the 100 cis-dudes that have asked you out in the last year.
belinda carroll, Portland Oregon
02/09/12 2:48 PM EST
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Thank You.
As an invisible femme who is tired of coming out all the freaking time, I salut you. You make my heart & soul a little warmer each time I read your articles. Why have I only come across you now? You make me feel human again.
Lindsay, Toronto Ontario
02/09/12 3:15 PM EST
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In the hintless lands
ER - not all of us have the luxury of living in progressive Vancouver. I grew up in the Prairies and now live in Ivan's hometown and I don't feel those places are put down by Ivan's commentary at all. They are seen, and frequently loved, for exactly what they are and are not. A little tell out here in the hintless lands would help a brother to not needlessly bother all the hockey and soccer moms, especially when you're new to town.
Brenda Barnes, Whitehorse Yukon
02/09/12 3:41 PM EST
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Thumbs up Ivan
Ivan, bloody good job! You nailed it buddy, thanks. As for those whose comments seem less than complimentary, take it as a compliment…you are waking them up…or hitting a nerve...isn't part of being someone willing to stick their neck out via the written word doing just that??? Keep on sharing, K?
Lor, Seattle Washington
02/09/12 6:03 PM EST
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OH BROTHER, AGAIN
phoney or bully? What a bizarre and dehumanizing world you live in where women are butches or femmes. Talk about the binary. You write about being so beyond binary yet your man act and division of women into women-women (femmes) and men-women (butches) is retrograde and misanthropic. Perhaps it's time for Xtra to find someone else to write as your shtik is way past its sell by date. It's ER again. I think, often, of Ivan as being a bully or right out to lunch on being angry at being a woman but really wanting not to be. That is what I perceive from reading Ivan's writing often has a swirling undercarriage of angry just below her surface. I feel very, very sorry for Ivan. But my pity stops at a certain point because of Ivan's nastiness of other people who don't conform to her way of thinking or being, she cuts them down. That makes me upset. Like, really Ivan, who the fuck made you so fucking great (in your own mind). You are a bully Ivan and have bullied and ridiculed others who are not on the same path as you. Your writing attests to that fact. I am going to be seeking out the arm of our government who gives artists grants to write and lodge a very serious complaint about you. You are discriminatory against people and your public writing shows it. And NO Lor from Seattle, she does not hit any nerves with me or wake me up in anyway. I am a femme. Proud of it. Not invisible. I decide when and where and with whom I CHOOSE to come out to. I have been hit on by dykes and the likes as I call them and if I am not interested, well, I tell them, plain and simple. Ivan's writing is redundant in that it is all about HER issues and HER problems with HERSELF. Boring...Its a bit world out there and lots to read, I read Ivan's columns to remind me that there are other OUT there writing who are not so bitter and nasty.
ER, Vancouver BC
02/10/12 2:17 AM EST
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Are you for real?!
ER - Xtra is bankrolled by Pink Triangle Press, which makes its money from...chatline ads. Nothing to do with the gov't at all.
T.L., Northern Alberta
02/10/12 9:54 AM EST
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Are you for real TL
Much of Ivan's income is not from getting a paid by X-tra West, I speak of the grants she applies for and obviously gets from the Government for Artists. She lives off of the Canadian Taxpayer for much of her income and I have an issue with THAT and what/how she writes. I find her writing extremely derogatory and I don't give a shit what others think about that statement. As a female taxpayer and a citizen of the country, I have every single right to disagree with the crap I read of hers and complain to the government about it and the fact that they fund her drivel.
ER, Vancouver BC
02/10/12 6:49 PM EST
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Sigh
ER, I'll meet you at the library and you can choose all the writings you don't like and then we'll burn them.
Biff, Burnaby BC
02/10/12 8:41 PM EST
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To BIFF in Burnaby
???? - Don't understand your comment. You can go and burn all the books you don't like - have at it. I don't burn books.
ER, Vancouver BC
02/11/12 7:34 PM EST
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who's the bully?
"man act / division of women / retrograde and misanthropic / bully / right out to lunch / angry at being a woman but really wanting not to be / a swirling undercarriage of angry just below her surface / nastiness of other people who don't conform to her way of thinking or being, she cuts them down / have bullied and ridiculed others who are not on the same path as you / discriminatory against people and your public writing shows it / bitter and nasty / lives off of the Canadian Taxpayer / extremely derogatory / drivel" ------------------------ Yet Ivan's the bully here? You have described someone with these words who i don't know. This is not Ivan. i don't agree with everything Ivan writes, and i'm quite happy to tell her so. But there's no reason (and ultimately no point) in tearing someone apart the way you have, about things which really have fuck all to do with you, when you can't even string a sentence together without cutting her up personally with these utterly clueless words. She doesn't need your approval (or your taxes for that matter). Critique? Great, go for it. We all need to be challenged on our bullshit, i do it with others and accept critique of my stuff too, sometimes less gracefully than i'd like to admit. We all have a right to be angry, if you're not angry, you're not paying attention after all. But we can call each other on our shit, we can be harsh and pissed about it if we need to, but at least have a point, eh? Your only point seems to be that you don't like her writing. Big deal lol. Get in line with the rest of the people out there who don't like someones writing and move on with your life! It's fun, i promise!
romham, vancouver bc
02/11/12 10:06 PM EST
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Oh, Romham
You are a bully too. My words were describing how I FELT about Ivan's writing. Just like Ivan writes about her FEELINGS. It is MY right to say things however I want to. This article bugged me, so what???? I let it be known, so what??? I have read Ivan's words of ranting, anger, hatred, bullyness, and a concoction of other negative phrases to numerous to mention here; however, I have read them in this publication and on her Facebook page. She comes across, often, as very judgmental to those of us who don't PRESCRIBE to her way of seeing things. I have read her angry comments to those of us who disagree with her. And that is scary - because if she were the one person "running" things, we ALL collectively would be in trouble with someone like Ivan - goodness, what would she do with the likes of us, who do not agree with her way of thinking. Lock us up, whip us, bury us, kill us, ridicule us.....she is not a respectful writer, in MY opinion, often. I am ALLOWED to say that however I wish. You romham are a bully too and obviously one of Ivan's "followers". Like hangs with like. As my mother says "those who lie with the dogs, will catch their fleas". Have a good evening.
ER, Vancouve BC
02/12/12 2:19 AM EST
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Well,
how sad. i hope you find peace with this soon.
romham, vancouver bc
02/12/12 6:07 PM EST
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Maybe it could be simple?
My advice to you in this conundrum is: go for broke. Since the only person whose behaviour over which you have control is yourself, ASK. You can't wait for the other person to offer; at a deli counter or wherever, you don't have time. From my perspective, your closet was always made of glass, as you say, Ivan, so yes, I could tell what you were from the time I first laid eyes on one of your pictures. As a person who didn't know what she was for years upon years, I now meet with gratitude the frank and gentle intrusion of persons who dare to venture in with the words it takes nerve to say. It is why I undertook to read what you wrote, and why I continue to read and listen. So if someone asked me if I were a lesbian, which by the way no one has done yet, I would like to think that I'd meet that question with delight in my face and an unshy willingness to reply.
Heather Sutherland, Victoria BC
02/13/12 3:10 AM EST
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crafty femme from the Bay Area
Hey! As one of the crafty femmes that Ivan has heard tell of I thought I'd comment with a link to the hanky flower clips mentioned: http://www.etsy.com/shop/kinkycraft My hanky flowers for flagging femmes have been very well received by the kinky femme community, and although they are primarily aimed at the kink-identified femmes, they have been an interesting part of the overall discussion of femme (in)visibility. Thanks so much for the mention, Ivan.
Shilo, Alameda CA
02/13/12 2:36 PM EST
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At least there is a disscussion
It's interesting that within the Lesbian community there is actually a discussion about femme visibility vs invisibility and interactions with butches. I can't help but compare this to straight acting gay men vs effeminate gay men. One of the major differences I noticed is that even when there is discussion on the gay male side of this issue it tends to be accusatory. SA gay men tend to be seen as fakers or not being true to themselves simply wanting ''straight privilege''. It's an interesting difference. The Lesbian community is lucky to have someone like you Ivan you skillfully avoid the uglyness of that these debates seem to draw.
Mike, Brandon MB
02/13/12 5:19 PM EST
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