Gay bars won't participate in Vancouver Pride Parade
PRIDE / Fee hike and income disclosure requirement deter PumpJack, Fountainhead and Numbers
Shauna Lewis / Vancouver / Tuesday, July 13, 2010
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"It is a bit of a financial burden," says Derek White, manager of The Fountainhead pub on Davie St.
(Shauna Lewis photo)
 Several of Davie St's best known gay bars will not be participating in the Pride Parade this year due to a hike in entry fees, an income disclosure requirement, and what one bar owner is calling a "disconnected" relationship with the Vancouver Pride Society (VPS).

PumpJack Pub owners Steve Bauer and Vince Marino say they won't be in the parade this year because the registration forms ask business owners to reveal their annual income. Disclosing that information infringes on their company's shareholder agreement, they say.

"It used to be about how much space you took up in the parade," Bauer says. "Now you have to do disclosure of financial process and we're a private company and my corporate agreement does not allow me to speak about my financial situation as a company."

"There is a feeling of some sort of infringement on personal financial info," says Marino.

Marino also objects to the VPS's decision to only allow businesses to enter floats - rather than smaller, less expensive vehicles or marching contingents - in the parade.

"It's taken away choices for businesses to do what they want to do in the parade," he says.

But VPS president Ken Coolen says restricting the participation of on-foot participants to government and nonprofit organizations is nothing new.

What is new, he says, is the requirement that businesses disclose their income bracket in the registration process.

It's a requirement aimed at better determining the sliding scale entry fee, Coolen explains.

Coolen admits fees have gone up for both businesses and nonprofit organizations this year.

VPS forms show nonprofits will pay $35 more to march in the parade this year and $80 more to enter a vehicle.

Small businesses earning $1 million or less will now have to pay $900 to enter either a float or a vehicle in the parade, having lost last year's $650 option to simply enter a car or light truck.

"We really wanted businesses to step up with what they can do," Coolen says.

Businesses pay more than nonprofits to lighten the financial burden on less affluent groups wanting to participate in the parade, he explains.

James Steck, promotions manager of Celebrities nightclub, says his club won't back out despite the fee increase. Neither will The Odyssey nightclub on Howe St.

Others say the fee hike is too high.

"We would like to be a part of the parade but not at the expense," says Tom Kosaka, manager of Numbers nightclub.

"It's very expensive for bars," Kosaka says. "These are very expensive floats."

"It is a bit of a financial burden," agrees Derek White, manager of The Fountainhead pub. "But it's mainly more taxing on staff."

This will be the first time The Fountainhead won't have a presence in the Pride Parade, White notes.

This year, the staff will focus on the bar and patrons rather than the time and money it takes to organize a float, he adds.

For Kosaka, the fee hike is only one part of a larger issue. He says he feels ignored by the VPS.

"There is definitely disconnect from the VPS," he says.

"It seems to be more about the VPS and less about the Davie Village, which is the heart of the community," he says.

"We [Davie St bars] should be partners in the VPS," Kosaka suggests.

He says he would like to work with the VPS, and wonders why the VPS hasn't reached out to the bars to ask them why they aren't participating in this year's parade.

"I'm hoping they [Numbers] might reach out to us," retorts Coolen.

"Celebrities has done that, and The Fountainhead has done that. I don't know why Numbers hasn't done that," Coolen says.

"At the end of the day, why don't some of the business owners try to build a relationship with Pride," he suggests.

Although they won't be in the parade this year, some of the bars say they will continue to give back to the community.

White says The Fountainhead will donate a portion of Parade-day food sales to the VPS.

Marino and Bauer say they will donate some of the money they're saving by not entering the parade to community charities.

Gay nightclubs Lick and Score will also not be in the parade this year. Lick cited financial constraints; Score wouldn't give a reason.

Losing participation from the gay bars is disappointing, Coolen says, but he's not concerned about a lack of gay representation in the parade.

"I'm not concerned because they'll be lots of LGBTQ groups in the parade," he says.

 



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Recession means leaner parade
First off, why is there such a big spike in VPS fees to enter the Pride Parade? Shouldn't the recession teach us about organizing a leaner and cost effective parade instead? I'm all for making a big bang since we had such a great Olympics that drew in the crowds but we can easily achieve that through synergy with the gay businesses and clubs to jointly organize events that make it more interesting and fun. By discouraging Fountainhead, Numbers, Lick and Pumpjack by the spike in fees and the inclusion of the disclosure agreement, it is essentially cutting out the heart of the gay village. Also, i find it dismal that VPS President Coolen is too dismissive of the fact that majority of the gay clubs are not joining in. VPS should be reaching out to negotiate with businesses and organizations about how much they can afford to join in the parade and that includes the non-profits too. Spiking up the fees for the non-profits does not make any sense either if you are demanding higher fees from businesses.
Bill, Vancouver BC
07/12/10 7:18 PM EST
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lost sight
Dear VPS , I think you may have lost sight of your purpose. what is it any of your business what someone/business makes in their income? like honestly , do you really want to turn people off of Pride? when did you lose sight of your purpose?
confused, Van BC
07/12/10 11:33 PM EST
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theme
dear VPS , I thought your theme and purpose was to educate, liberate and celebrate, not focus on money alone. what happened?
confused, Van BC
07/12/10 11:58 PM EST
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Reality check
Does anyone really think the cost is what is keeping these bars out of the parade? They make more money over pride weekend than at any other time during the year and what do they contribute back to pride? The bars are the ones that make the most money off us and they should have to pay more than anyone else to make pride happen. Seems they are using this as an excuse not to bother to participate. If they really cared about the gay community they would suck it up and show us how proud they are. Instead these same owners turn Junction into a straight bar. If I was a business partner at Numbers and Pupmjack I would be more worried that they could not afford a small increase in fees. Or maybe they don't want revenue canada to find out how much they are really making.
Joe, Vancouver BC
07/13/10 2:25 AM EST
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VPS
They VPS have really messed everything up yet again. Every year we go through something like this with them. I think Joe needs to calm down because he has no idea what he's talking about. Putting in a couple thousand dollars for a float entry is kind of ridiculous. It's pretty much like throwing money away. The reason this is happening is because good ol' Caryl Dolinko only approaches big corperate sponsors, and when they don't pay up, which they haven't been this year, the VPS goes on record saying that local businesses aren't supporting. If the VPS want help from the community, tell them to approach the community. Ken should be ashamed of humself with what he was quoted saying in this article.
James, Vancouver BC
07/13/10 5:44 PM EST
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The beginning of the end
The purpose of the entry fees should be to break even, not to make a profit. have felt for some years now that the Pride parade is no longer about the gay community, and this just reinforces that impression. The days when we were just allowed to be ourselves and everyone,from big to small could take part, are over.
Norman, Vancouver BCOh B
07/14/10 12:27 AM EST
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Seriously??
RE: James I am curious as to where you are getting your information from? You obviously have no idea about the volunteer work your Pride organization does. They are not doing this work to make money they are doing it for you and for the community at large. Your Pride organization is indeed YOUR community. You should be ashamed of yourself for calling out people like Caryl and Ken who work tirelessly so you can go and party and celebrate any way you choose. With a parade that costs almost 100K to put on, don't you think it's fair that large corporations like Starbucks and Telus pay a fee to advertise their wares to our community or come on as sponsors?? And to Norman- celebrate Pride any way you like. It's not all about the parade (which is not a profit making venture) There are several free events- it's your celebration in the end- make it what you want it to be...just stop bitching and maybe lend a hand.
Morris, Burnaby BC
07/14/10 1:35 AM EST
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parade fees are to pay the City
All I can remember from some of my past volunteer days with the Pride Society is that the parade fees mostly go to pay back the City of Vancouver which charges an arm and a leg for the Pride Society to be able to run the parade. Therefore... maybe the so called community that is up in arms due to fees being raised should go knock at City Hall and demand for the money back, by the City supporting such festival by not charging so much!!!!
Josh, Vancouver BC
07/14/10 2:21 AM EST
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Numbers should be banned anyway
Since Numbers CONTINUES to scan and record the private Driving Lic. and other similar details (such a Full Name, DOB, Address, Height,Eye Colour etc) of ALL Patrons entering Numbers Bar I feel Numbers should have been be barred from any connection to Pride and been ejected from the LGBT community years ago. I continue to boycott Numbers as I know do other smart politically aware people. Sadly there aren't many of us in the LGBT community that seem to care enough about civil rights, invasion of privacy.
Thomas, Vancouver BC
07/14/10 2:31 AM EST
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Profit???
Where does Norman's profit comment come from??? Pride is a not for profit and its books are open to public scrutiny. Almost everyone involved is a volunteer. No one but the BARS profits from pride and they provide the least support to the parade. We are being fed a total lie by Numbers and Pumpjack. Morris and Josh are right. How you celebrate pride is up to you and most of the money goes back to the city of vancouver. Call city hall if you want that to change.
Sam, Vancouver BC
07/14/10 2:54 PM EST
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pride sponsors
Interesting to see which local businesses support pride. Seems some bars are with our community and some are not. Ask them what they do for pride. Seattle gay news is a sponsor. Why can't xtra support the local pride? Probably because xtra loves to beat up on Canadian prides and create it's own news. http://www.vancouverpride.ca/pride-sponsors
Cindy, Vancouver BC
07/14/10 4:25 PM EST
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VPS needs to respect our community.
Good work, VPS. A business decides not to participate in your parade, and you insult them. Pretty rich coming from an organization with a President who has to call in a response... from his annual around-the-world Gay Pride tour.
Steven M, West End BC
07/15/10 2:51 AM EST
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Unfathomable
As a former board member who has challenged fees in the past, I concur with the logistical impact of the pride board vying for or trying to have too much power over the membership. As a business owner in the community, people who own bars or other services that cater to the community have a right to financial privacy as well as to enjoy a profit without privacy being called into question here. If the leadership at the bored level continues to pry into peoples personal finances then business owners will not support pride initiatives like they have in the past because confidentiality issues such as these become more increasingly evident. Lets face it, some of the people who run pride have no business running the organization because simply put, they are a bunch of unprofessional psychos prepping to line their own pockets. I wish things were different, but I threw in my towel long ago. Im sick of hearing about how the pride society in my own hometown emotionally and psychologically rapes the people that paved the way to entrench the human rights that I now enjoy. It really makes me sick! Good Luck! Marc Schaper, BA Political Science, Juris Doctor Candiaite, LAW. 604-685-8608
Marc Schaper, Vancouver BC
07/15/10 7:00 AM EST
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Go home Marc
Oh Marc, dear, how wrong you are. By making such a comment, you are seen as the "unprofessional psycho" you so eloquently describe. How petty and spiteful of you to attack these volunteers, most of whom you don't even know because you have not been involved in the organization in many years. Frankly, enough people on this comment thread have clarified the incorrect statement by Xtra regarding the entry fees: read the event registration forms and you will see that they are merely asking for businesses to place themselves in a general category based on revenues. Nowhere are they being asked to disclose financial information, as Xtra has so erroneously reported. Please get your facts straight before you go on a hateful, spiteful rant; you have only made yourself look like an arrogant fool.
Former director, Vancouver BC
07/15/10 12:54 PM EST
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Who is the psycho?
Seems some people will put in writing the lies they are too cowardly to say in person. Clearly this Marc person has an enormous chip on his shoulder and likes to use hyperbole to get attention. And thank you for including your educational credentials. Everyone now knows that you will be a dishonest lawyer. You have done your career a great favour.
Bill, Vancouver BC
07/15/10 1:04 PM EST
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WE NEED TO RESPECT BUSINESS DECISIONS
VPS has increased costs of entries, as they run pride as a business, not a charity. It costs money to make money, and I understand this. However, in these tough economic times we all need to make smart business decisions, and I'm not certain that spending large amounts of money to put a float in a parade always makes business sense. Does this really generate business for the establishment? If Pride was about supporting the community, Pride wouldnt have a "sliding scale" for entry fees and the city wouldnt make money off pride in fees for road closures, permits, special event licences etc. It'd be free for everyone. Pride wouldnt charge entry fees to street parties, and offer escalated cost tickets to allow you the "privilege" of skipping a line-up. If it were free for everyone to take part in, we'd be in a situation where EVERYONE wins...but the current situation puts it all down to business. Who are we to judge a business by how they spend their money??? It's hard enough to stay open as a gay business these days. I'd like to be the first to remind everyone that the Pumpjack supports charity and supports the Gay Community and provides the DMS space to host charity BBQ's every summer, and proceeds from these BBQs go to gay charities. I know that Fountainhead Pub donates weekly to Gay Bingo, supporting Friends for Life.... They most certainly support the gay community! I'd guess that their annual contributions certainly exceed the entry fee of pride. They've simply chosen to make their money count, and have it go directly to the sources that need them the most. They simply opted out of paying massive amounts to put a float in a parade. I, for one, respect that business decision.
Bernie Johnson, Vancouver BC
07/15/10 1:37 PM EST
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Drunk again
Marc was probably drunk again when he posted that comment. http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/VPS_turfs_board_member-1940.aspx
Former director, Vancouver BC
07/15/10 1:54 PM EST
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Davie Night Out
I was wondering what relationship these bars have to the VPS Davie Street Night Out (usually sponsored by some phone company) on the Friday night of Pride weekend. Do they participate? Do thy make a lot of money from it? (last year the bars were full, so it seems so?) This article raises many unanswered questions in my mind: Perhaps this Night Out is now the only way that many of the bars need or want to participate in the weekend in order to get the publicity, patrons, and profits they need/want over the weekend. Is that level of participation good enough for the supposed "spirit" of Pride? Is the parade merely for bars' own publicity or are they the "heart" of the parade with the most populous and extravagant floats? Do bars they "owe" VPS by also being in the parade since they stand to hugely benefit from the Night Out? What portion of profits, if any, do the bars themselves get from the Friday Night out? WHy does the VPS need a profit statement rather than just offering a standard corporate rate? Should large non-gay sponsors be favored over gay corporate sponsors? In this day of equality, why should gay businesses still be favored? I think there is a goldmine (no pun intended) of issues about gay community and gay businesses here. The Proud tip of the iceberg as it were :) Stephen Emery
Stephen Emery, Burnaby British Columbia
07/15/10 5:56 PM EST
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To Bernie
How do you suppose Pride would go about making their events free for spectators? Not sure if you've read their financial information, but Pride weekend alone costs over $150,000, not to mention all the other events they do. Are you willing to cough up that hefty chunk of change? If more sponsors stepped up to pay for more of Pride, the "community" would surely cry foul over the corporate presence, as they have done in the past. With 600,000 people at the Parade last year, Pride is quite right to operate as a business, albeit a not-for-profit one. Although they are a business, a majority of the work is done by volunteers who don't get a penny back from their work. Yes, in a perfect world everything would be free, but the fact is an event like Pride costs ALOT of money, and so far no wealthy gay people have stepped up to foot the bill.
Tom, Vancouver BC
07/15/10 6:32 PM EST
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Set the record straight
It is time to set the record straight about the financial disclosure thing. No wants to know or cares how much these businesses are making. All they have to do on the parade application form is self-categorize into one of three slots: under $1M, between $1M and $10M and over $10M to calculate their fees. Everyone wants those who make more to pay more. A local hair salon should not be expected to pay the same as a national bank. That is also the essence of our progressive tax system and reflects fundamental fairness. Anyone can guess which of these categories the businesses in question fit into and I highly doubt the VPS would be about to grill them on it. All this hand-wringing about private financial matters is unnecessary. See for yourselves: http://www.vancouverpride.ca/uploads/documents/applications/2010_VPS_Parade_Application.pdf
Carl, Vancouver BC
07/15/10 7:48 PM EST
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idea
dear VPS, given the knowledge of the history of the bars in our community and their life long dedication to supporting community groups and development 365 days year. wouldn't it be better to reach out to the bars and give them a break for they are there 365 days a year for the people and community and giving back all the time to various groups and ways. don't focus on the income , focus on the development and building of community every day of the year and share that insight and growth and development. you want people to be involved and give to the the understanding of educating , liberating and celebrating , then push the envelope and give those that commit all year round, the respect they deserve because it all comes back tenfold in positive ways you can count on. no need to know what a bars income is , its what they have done for the community that counts.
confused, Van BC
07/15/10 9:54 PM EST
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Unfathomable part 2
As I am on an academic sabbatical in Europe enjoying my time on the continent and the good weather :-) I'd like to say irrevocably that when I made my first comment I was not drunk, I was was of sound mind and body, and was merely presenting the facts. The name calling and slander towards me that follows my first comments only proves that the merry band of twits who run things at the Pride Board should be summarily submersed in water until they prune and/or expire. As for my academic crediatials I only have one word to say further... JEALOUS???
Marc Schaper, Vancouver BC
07/16/10 6:03 AM EST
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Smooth move
Marc you're a brainiac! You just admitted you're not even here and don't even know the people you are talking about. You were kicked off the board and your opinion is biased and counts for nothing. Good luck with your career there. You were probably kicked out of law school too.
Wendy, Vancouver BC
07/16/10 11:53 AM EST
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Get a grip Marc
Marc, this article was merely about the entry fees for the Pride Parade, you are the one who turned it into a back and forth of name calling and slander. Let me quote your first comment: "they are a bunch of unprofessional psychos prepping to line their own pockets." That in fact is the real slander, or more specifically, libel. You should really be careful about what you say, especially when using your real name; I guess you haven't gotten to defamation in your studies as a law student yet. I'm just glad you aren't here for Pride, the Board doesn't have to worry about you showing up drunk and belligerent to any events...
Former director, Vancouver BC
07/16/10 12:08 PM EST
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Excuses, Excuses
The Davie Street bars are using this as a lame excuse to save a few bucks. I think its pathetic that these bars, who, I might add, are the main benefactors of the success the Pride Parade has become. I do agree, how much a business earns is confidential, and this information should not be a requirement on the form, so fill out the form, leave that part blank and pay your fee's Davie Street bars. Putting on the Pride Parade costs money, local businesses, especially gay businesses that benifit financially from the parade and Pride weekend should stop there belly aching, belly up to the bar, and pay their fair share here. Patrons of these bars and gay businesses should keep an eye out at the parade and take note of who is there contributing and who isnt, and patronize these businesses accordingly. Why should these businesses reap the benifits of Pride and not contibute?
Mike F, Vancouver BC
07/16/10 1:18 PM EST
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Re: Unfathomable part 2
Marc, you should really reconsider your choice of words, because the following statement comes across as a threat against us: "the merry band of twits who run things at the Pride Board should be summarily submersed in water until they prune and/or expire." As a law student you should know better than to make such inappropriate and threatening statements on a public forum. Also, I have to agree with some of the comments here, that you have not been involved in Pride for at least the last few years, so your libelous and hostile statements about the current Board are unfounded. The VPS has become a much more mature and professional organization since you "threw in your towel" and your perception of the current organization is simply wrong.
Tim K, Vancouver BC
07/16/10 1:50 PM EST
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Think Again
Maybe its best for everyone to see that being a part of the GLBT community to the outside world doesn't mean we all just frequent the bars/clubs and call it a lifestyle? We all know a drunk or two that can't resist going to a facebook event (opening of an envelope) where booze is being served then plead poor at rent time. Who cares whether a bar is in the parade or not. The Pride parades have been more and more commercial over the years, its hasn't been about the community forever. Not even worth looking forward too anymore. I have looked over the list of those on the board and have to say that I know a good part of them have never run a business successfully, can barely hold a job, etc. Something does sound a bit odd about even asking about revenues. I've never heard of a committee asking such things before, sure its only a couple of questions. But a couple too many?
Charlie Horse, Vancouver BC
07/16/10 3:03 PM EST
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meanies
Seems some people are going out of their way to personally attack those to are involved with pride. This doesn't seem necessary or useful at all. They are doing a great job while being attacked from all sides. If you don't like them, then show up and vote them out or do the job yourself. Put up or shut up.
Tom, Vancouver BC
07/16/10 3:31 PM EST
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talk
there is alot of talk going on and majority so far are thinking that VPS is being foolish asking for personal income info and would prefer VPS to focus on its own job of building community and Pride and not sticking their noses in businesses personal affairs and incomes. they are supportive of Pride but think this move is just plain silly and offensive and not necessary for it distract from getting people involved.
confused, Van BC
07/17/10 9:55 PM EST
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companys coming
a thought, what the bars are not putting into floats , they are putting back into community in more than one way shape and form. so for now maybe we can all focus on creating the environment for everyone to Enjoy being Liberated! We have company coming to town so lets focus on them and each other and do what needs to be done and deal with the issues afterwards.
confused, Van BC
07/17/10 10:40 PM EST
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Confused is confused
"confused" still doesn't get it. This isn't about personal income as I said in the comment earlier. That has never been a requirement and it is a complaint made up by the bars as an excuse not to participate. I'm sure the VPS could care less about what these businesses make. It is just about being in a CATEGORY for fair fees in the parade. Read and understand. Don't let bias and irrational hatred keep you from seeing the truth.
Carl, Vancouver BC
07/18/10 3:49 AM EST
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Carl
Carl, its the people that are talking so don't get upset at me for relaying what people are saying.
confused, Van BC
07/18/10 10:08 AM EST
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carl
ps , Carl , I sure don't have hatred for Pride, I have been involved and volunteered for Pride and have taken part in the process for the last twenty years. maybe talk to the reporters who published the article if you are worried about how people are reacting to it. Pride has had its problems and many of them over the years but I still support the purposes and Pride and don't let the hatred and a stuff get in the way. why else would I suggest to focus on making it a fun time for everyone.
confused, Van BC
07/18/10 10:21 AM EST
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outreach
dear VPS , I noticed you are expecting the bars and businesses to reach out to you. are you not a non-profit organization that also has an outreach position and looking for support, handouts and money ? the responsibility kinda falls on you to do the reaching out. and limiting what a business can enter into the parade sounds like quite a turn off being told what one can and can't to do help celebrate Pride.
confused, Van BC
07/18/10 3:42 PM EST
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what is Pride about?
as hard as it is to focus on things going on. what is Pride about? bringing People together regardless of their ideology and bullshit! lets have some Fun , and forget about the bullsh*t, and make sure everyone has a Damn Good time being Liberated. we have Nothing to fear, and everything to learn... Come on Pride . push the Homophobia out the window. We Can Do it, and we all Know We can Do It! Happy Pride everyone! We have a collective rsponsability to Protect our friends and off spring. Lets do it! Happy Pride Everyone , enjoy being Liberated, we don't all get that chance to do so.
confused, Van BC
07/19/10 12:13 AM EST
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What about the employee
I have read the comments and I did not see any reference to the employees of these big companies. Employees that would have loved to be apart of the parade to show their Pride in themselves, and where they work. When our budget for the parade became the entry fee - how were we to represent? I have been apart of the parade for years and is saddened that we had to back out. I understand the cost occurred by this parade, I do. But due to this new requirement it's the proud gay employees that have suffered.
Staff, Vancouver BC
07/23/10 7:13 PM EST
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