BC MLA promotes anti-gay church in the legislature
BC POLITICS / Just don't say healed — "they hate that word": Alpha head
Jeremy Hainsworth / Vancouver / Friday, October 21, 2011
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A BC Liberal MLA who once compared homosexuality to gambling, pornography and abortion used time in the legislature Oct 18 to promote a church whose leader believes homosexuality can be cured.

Maple Ridge-Mission MLA Marc Dalton praised the UK-based Alpha organization as “a free forum where people can meet to discuss God, the afterlife and the teachings of Christ.”

The Christian group is headed by Nicky Gumbel, whose thoughts on homosexuality were captured in an Oct 21, 2000, article in Britain’s The Guardian newspaper. "I have many wonderful homosexual friends... But if a paedophile said, 'Ever since I was a child I found myself attracted to children', we wouldn't say that that was normal, would we?... Now, I am not for a moment comparing homosexuals with paedophiles, but the Bible makes it very clear that sex outside marriage, including homosexual sex, is, unfortunately, a sin," he is quoted as saying.

“The Bible makes it clear that gay people need to be healed,” he continued. “Although I strongly advise you not to say the word ‘healed’ to them. They hate that word.”

Dalton told the legislature, “Those who are curious or struggling with questions and the notion that there must be something more to life, check out Alpha’s website — alphacanada.org — to find a course near you. It could be the start of a new fulfilling journey.”

Dalton was unavailable for an interview. “He’s exceedingly busy,” a staffer in his Victoria office told Xtra.

Alpha Ministries Canada national director Shaila Visser tells Xtra there is no teaching about homosexuality in the Canadian Alpha course.

It's not the first time MLA Marc Dalton has made headlines for anti-gay comments. In an email leaked to media in 2009, he compared homosexuality to other issues that he considers immoral.
(marcdalton.ca)
“The Alpha course is an opportunity to explore the meaning of life,” Visser says. “It’s open to all people of any race, sexual preference, language. It’s about Christianity. It’s about who is Jesus, why did Jesus die?”

Gay Vancouver West End MLA Spencer Chandra Herbert of the NDP wants to know what Premier Christy Clark is going to do about Dalton’s comments in the legislature. He wonders why one of Clark’s MLAs is promoting a religious group — and particularly one with questionable views on gay people — in a legislature in a country where there is a separation of church and state?

“Frankly, what they are saying to gay and lesbian people is ‘Don’t ever have sex… you’re a genetic abomination,’“ Chandra Herbert charges.

“Why is the Liberal Party promoting this in the people’s house?” he asks. “Most Christians would reject this dogma.”

“Does Christy Clark and the other Liberal MLAs agree with this?” he continues. “If someone got up and promoted that a certain race was wrong, they would be rightly condemned.”

Clark was on her way to Calgary on Oct 20 and unavailable to comment, her office said.

Visser invited Chandra Herbert to take Alpha’s course.

It’s not the first time Dalton has run afoul of the gay community in promoting his religious views.

In the email released to the media in 2009, Dalton said he believes homosexuality is “a moral issue.”

“Most of us agree on many morals: respect, honesty, kindness,” Dalton, a teacher at Pitt Meadows Secondary School, wrote. “There are also many behaviours and acts that most of us would not condone: rape, robbery, assault, drunken driving, pedophilia, incest and so on. There are other moral issues that large segments of our society do not see eye to eye: gambling, abortion, adultery, pornography. I believe that homosexuality fits in this category.”

Ryan Clayton, who is spearheading the Purple Letter Campaign to get the province to introduce anti-homophobic bullying guidelines, thinks Dalton’s choice to discuss the group in the legislature was “unfortunate.”

“It’s bizarre when teachers who are on the frontlines, and they see what’s going on, and they’re promoting homophobic organizations,” Clayton says.

Jennifer Breakspear of Qmunity, BC’s queer resource centre, says it concerns her that an elected official would use legislative time to espouse views contrary to the queer community and the Charter of Rights.



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Reader Comments


 
Remove Marc Dalton as a MLA
Constituents of Maple Ridge-Mission should be calling for his resignation. The Maple Ridge-Mission Liberal Association, the BC Liberal Party, and the BC Liberal caucus should reflect the real morals and values of BC and Canada and remove Marc Dalton as a MLA. And if they sink from standing for human rights and social justice then the people of Maple Ridge-Mission should boot him during the next election. Citizens are just as responsible for ignorant people like Dalton being elected.
Ty, Lethbridge AB
10/21/11 5:25 PM EST
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Please phone
Phone his offices and demand answers, I did. Parliament Buildings Victoria, BC V8V 1X4 Phone:250 953-4769 Maple Ridge Constituency: 102 – 23015 Dewdney Trunk Road Maple Ridge, BC V2X 3K9 Phone:250 953-4769 Mission Constituency: 33058 First Ave Mission, BC V2V 1G3 Phone:604 820-6203
Marc, Vancouver BC
10/21/11 5:42 PM EST
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Not Quite Accurate
I have taken Alpha. It has nothing to do with GL issues, just Christianity. And it is not a religious group. It is a course run at many churches, including gay friendly churches such as the Anglican and United Church of Canada.
Ken, Kelowna BC
10/21/11 6:37 PM EST
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Also against protecting children of gay parents
On the topic of bullying, Marc Dalton actively protested the BCTF's previous attempts to put in anti-bullying guidelines and actually spearheaded a counter-campaign against the them. There is email transcripts where he actively tried to rally other teachers. He stated: "I am against the BCTF ram-rodding the homosexual motion against the wishes of great numbers of parents (and teachers) in this district and in this province."
Maple Ridge Citizen, Maple Ridge BC
10/21/11 6:55 PM EST
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Prediction
Five years from now the RCMP will catch him in a park restroom and charge him with solicitation.
JeffU, Burbank California
10/21/11 8:27 PM EST
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Consider the facts first
Well, I hope Jeremy Hainsworth is also going to chastise D. Black for bringing up announcing her attendance at the United Church on Oct 22. Must keep Church and State separated, ya know. Reviewing Hansard even I (an atheist who was writing papers in philosophy class in the early 90's arguing for same sex marriage) can't find much fault with what Dalton has said. Well, other than I don't really like the Alpha course, but to each their own and their right to mention it at an appropriate time in the legislature. http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/39th4th/H11018y.htm Hit and "f" then search for "Dalton." Immediately above him is D. Black.
Jason, Parksville BC
10/21/11 9:29 PM EST
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Hate promotion ????
My major concern is that an elected official in our Canadian Parliament is using his position to promote religious views on subjects such as homosexuality... A most dangerous situation ti incite more anti-gay hatred ! Is not the government and the Church two separate identities in Canada ???
Jean Guy Melanson, Bathurst New Brunswick
10/22/11 8:56 AM EST
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Very Sad
This bit of news coming in the same week that a gay Ottawa teen was laid to rest after committing suicide. Makes you wonder what sort of support someone like Dalton would be to a gay teen that he taught. Very sad indeed.
Dave, Vancouver BC
10/22/11 1:24 PM EST
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Get the facts right
Go to Hansard and read what he actually said in the Legislature. No, it's not Parliament. What he has stated on the record is not nearly the same thing as is being stated in this garbage piece of journalism. So, go to this website: http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/39th4th/H11018y.htm and hold down the control button and hit the "f" key. Then search for "Dalton" and read what he actually stated in the Legislature. Then scroll immediately above him to see what NDP Dawn Black had to say to promote an event at the United Church in her neighbourhood. The dishonesty of this piece of journalism is disgusting.
Jason, Parksville BC
10/22/11 9:30 PM EST
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Tolerance
I have to agree with Jason. This is very poor journalism. Alpha is not a church. Its a course. From reading the transcript of his speech I cant find anything incriminating. He states nothing controversial about homosexuality. Im a resident of Maple Ridge and think Dalton is hardworking and a good representative for my constituency. As far as him being against an anti bullying campaign, it seems he was against having to promote these clubs on his own personal moral grounds. He never stated these clubs shouldnt exist, he just didnt want to have to promote them. Im not saying hes right but I can understand him. I doubt many athiest teachers would want to promote a Christian club in school. Seems to me that its not Dalton that needs a lesson in tolerance.
Kyle, Maple Ridge British Columbia
10/22/11 9:57 PM EST
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Jason and Kyle
Are you Dalton himself or do you work in his office? The gist of the story is that this MLA is promoting a religious organization run by people who have said some rather disparaging things about homosexuality so connecting the dots doesn't take much. While you are defending the MLA here, set the record straight, did he ever make the quote " there are other moral issues that large segments of our society do not see eye to eye: gambling, abortion, adultery, pornography. I believe that homosexuality fits in this category". Perhaps you can clear this point up for us or point us in the direction to a site where we can see exactly what he said.
Dave, Vancouver BC
10/23/11 12:12 PM EST
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Dave
Dave, I have already pointed you to the Hansard link in my posts - twice now. Copy and paste it, then hit the control key and "f" to search out "Dalton." Then read it for yourself. Yes, I agree Dalton has said some stupid things in the past and I don't doubt he is a homophobic bigot. However, if you actually look at what he said on October 18 it is hard to find fault with him on this particular point. Connect the dots when the context clearly calls for it. It does not call for it in this case PERIOD. And, no, I don't like the Alpha courses although I admit this is based on reputation as I have no desire to attend any kind of religious course unless it is put on by a secular university like the religious studies courses I took back in my university days. I will also point out that while Dalton and I don't see eye to eye on many things I will defend his right to make a fool of himself by saying stupid things such as the quote you attribute to him. The quote you provide, however, is irrelevant within the context of what he was stating in the legislature. This time it is a non-event - he is promoting something he has every right to promote just as Dawn Black has done directly above him in the Hansard link I have already provided the link to.
Jason, Parksville BC
10/23/11 3:01 PM EST
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Come on Jason...
why so thick? Is the salt air in Parksville getting to you or something? Yes, I have read what Dalton said in the Leg. I believe the point of the story is that he is promoting an organization run by people who basically are homophobic and anti-gay. What is so difficult to understand about this? If the guy stood up in the Leg and announced that The Grand Dragon of Alabama was holding a bake sale on Sunday wouldn't you think it very odd and want to speak out as to why he was promoting an event and organization like that? Geez Jason, the story can't be that difficult to understand.
Dave, Vancouver BC
10/24/11 1:54 AM EST
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Hey Dave
I have nothing to do with this issue. I can only say that I have taken Alpha and there was no where in it that gays were in any way disparaged. The sadder issue in this is it looks like the MLA from Vancouver trying to score cheap points to make himself look good. So the writer of this article feels free to slam religion on one end, when just previous to Dalton's comment the NDP is singing the praises of religion and promoting an individual church. Big hypocrisy here. Nothing to do with religion, its all about politics and an individual reporter trying to sh*t disturb to attract attention.
Ken, Kelowna bc
10/24/11 2:37 PM EST
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Okay, one more time
I'll give up on this topic after this post before xtrawest bans me for multiple postings. Ken, read this part slowly and maybe go over it two or three times just so that you can understand. The point of the story is that he is promoting an organization run by people who basically are homophobic and anti-gay. Get it?
Dave, Vancouver BC
10/24/11 3:23 PM EST
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Hey Dave, why the ad hominem?
Dave, it is possible that there are people at other churches, even that United Church Dawn Black (NDP) was promoting in the legislature, that have homophobic people in attendance and even as pastors, for all we know. The point remains - Dalton didn't do anything different than Dawn Black or any other reasonable person to promote the Alpha Courses. Dalton is NOT doing as you state he is doing and your analogy is intellectually dishonest.
jason, Parksville BC
10/24/11 5:36 PM EST
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Alpha Course
I am a pride gay man who recently become friends with a group of great Christian people who I am proud to call my friends I have starting taking the Alpha course and it has nothing at all to do with "healing gay people" It is a course for people wanting to know more about life and Christ We can all be bigoted in our views regardless of who they are coming from Why is that we can be bitchy catty gays but gossip about straights and how they dare not accept us for who we are- warts and all- but we are not willing or able to accept straight people for who they are I think there is enough blame to go around on this topic when it comes for total accpetance of all groups just not the Gay versus Staight issue and rather or not it is morally right or wrong
Eric, Vancouver British Columbia
10/25/11 11:13 PM EST
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Why Do We Care?
The bible is an ancient book of Jewish fables and myths written by a bunch of ignorant, misogynist men thousands of years ago and now believed by a bunch of ignorant humans. Why do we care anymore what it says?
Ivan McDonald, Victoria BC
11/08/11 5:18 PM EST
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