Toronto barber shop won't cut women's hair on religious grounds
TORONTO NEWS / Lesbian denied 'businessman's cut' launches complaint to OHRC
Andrea Houston / Toronto / Saturday, November 03, 2012
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All she wanted was a haircut.

But when Faith McGregor walked into the Terminal Barber Shop at Bay and Dundas streets, she was shocked to hear from the owner that no barber at the shop would cut a woman’s hair because it goes against their religious beliefs.

McGregor has since filed a complaint about the June incident with the Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC).

The shop wasn’t busy that day, she says, and two barbers were standing at the back of the store. “I asked, ‘Do you do a businessman’s cut?’ It’s a basic haircut. They said they do.”

After describing the cut, owner Omar Mahrouk stopped her. “He just looked at me and said, 'I can’t do that. We don’t cut women’s hair here.'”

McGregor says she was shocked. “I just wanted the exact same cut as they would give a man. Nothing different.” The 34-year-old dyke says she always gets her hair cut at a barber shop, not a salon.
Faith McGregor has filed a complaint with the OHRC against the Terminal Barber Shop on Bay Street because she was refused service. The barber says it's against his religion to touch a strange woman.
(Andrea Houston)


Mahrouk told her “it’s against his religion” to cut a woman’s hair, she says. Mahrouk and two other barbers refused, all saying they practise Islam, which forbids them to touch strange women, she says.

For his part, Mahrouk admits that he denied McGregor service. “I can cut my wife’s hair, but not a strange lady. For me this is not discrimination. I explained that I have nothing against woman. This is my religion. She did not accept it.”

The Ontario Human Rights Code states that business owners can’t deny service based on sex.

“The law is the law, but this is my religion. But I am not discriminating against anyone,” Mahrouk insists. “It is against my religion.”

On the surface, the Human Rights Code says Terminal Barber Shop appears to have discriminated against McGregor based on her sex.

But it’s not that simple, says Pascale Demers, communications officer for the OHRC. This is a case of competing rights: the individual right of a person not to be discriminated against based on their sex or gender and the right of a person to hold religious beliefs.

“Generally speaking, services that are offered to the public should be made available to everyone without discrimination, based on sex, sexual orientation, race, religion, disability,” Demers says. “Each side will bring forward a defence that their rights trump the other.”

She says it’s a case that presents new terrain for the Tribunal. “We have been unable to find any cases like this. It’s unique. It will be looked at in an individual context, each with its own unique set of evidence. The tribunal will make a decision based on its set of facts presented to them.”

No rights are absolute, Demers says, and there is no hierarchy of rights.

“We look at cases individually,” she says. “We have to look at ways both sides can be accommodated. But, absolutely, there will be instances where one side will be dissatisfied, though they are claiming a right.”

If the Tribunal finds that the barber shop violated McGregor's rights, it could order a monetary settlement or order the shop to implement a set of “public remedies,” such as ordering the shop to offer services “in a way that is considered non-discriminatory.” That may involve hiring additional staff, for example, she says.

“It’s not a punitive process per se; it’s about bringing the person back to a place that is not discriminatory.”

If Mahrouk fails to comply, she says, the shop “could keep facing complaint after complaint, and it could eventually get costly.”

Mahrouk says that if he is forced to serve women he will have to change his occupation.

His lawyer, David Kolinsky, says denying service on religious grounds is valid. Still, even without the religion factor, barber shops have traditionally been men only.

“I understand she wants the same type of haircut that would be provided to the male patrons, but it’s more complicated than that,” he says. “She wants the barber shop to be compelled to provide service to all women. That goes well above the skill set and training of these barbers.”
Sean Gibson, of the Ontario Barber Association, wrote a letter in defence of the barber.
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But McGregor says that’s not true. “I am not asking that the shop start servicing all women, regardless of the type of cut requested.”

If a woman asks for a service they already provide, they should not be turned away, she says.

“It seems they are extending the scope of my complaint,” she says. “My specific request was for only the exact same cut they would provide to a man . . . We are no different from the neck up.”

“I would not expect the shop to start cutting the hair of my female friends with long hair, colours or perms.”

Sean Gibson, of the Ontario Barber Association (OBA), wrote a letter in defence of Mahrouk explaining why the distinction between “barber” and “hairstylist” justifies Mahrouk's discrimination against women.

Gibson says barbers should have the autonomy to decide because barber shops have traditionally been male-only spaces.

“In certain countries, men just service other men for religious reasons. It’s not that they don’t want to service women, but because of their religious beliefs they can only cut the hair of other men,” he explains. “While that may seem archaic, it’s understood. The history goes back to men-only bathhouses in ancient Greece. That’s where barber shops started. They were only places for men.”

Still, Gibson says Mahrouk did not intend to discriminate in a malicious or disrespectful way, but “perception is everything.”

“He was unable to service her because of his religious beliefs. So it’s a discussion of what’s more important: obliterating his religious beliefs or serving this young lady? Denying his rights or denying her rights.”

“She can still get service, maybe not from this specific place, but I’m sure one of our [OBA] members would be glad to cut her hair,” he adds.
 


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Business must be good
Religion or no religion, business must be really good to refuse a potential paying customer. File a complaint and go get your hair cut somewhere else. Simple.
Common Sense, Toronto ON
11/10/12 8:34 AM EST
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But, but, but, we are just like
"them". We can get married. Nothing to see here folks. It's gets better. Just say no. War is peace.
Tim, Toronto ON
11/10/12 9:29 AM EST
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I don't get it
Could she not have simply gone to another barber? There are dozens of barbers in the area. I am sure she could have found one without a religious belief that would prevent them from cutting her hair. This all seems like a big waste of time. It is not like there is any shortage of barbers in this city. geez.
Shawn, Toronto Ontario
11/10/12 9:57 AM EST
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not about business but religion as social toxin
Shawn, what if some religious asshole said your mother was unclean and could not be touched -- you miss the entire point which is not about barbers or business. It is about religious fanatics infesting the public realm with their hatred, phobias and misanthropy. If this man says this to a woman in public then imagine the torture he inflicts on his wives and daughters -- often murdered and burned to impose total subservience (or drowned in a car). The issue is that Canada is not a free for all for all insane beliefs calling themselves religion. Are we building a secular and humanist set of values or are we enslaved to the fascism of existing religions and how many more using freedom of religion to torment and abuse fellow human beings. They do not pay tax; they brainwash children; they infiltrate human rights orgs to seek cover -- religion is the poison of modern life.
david, Toronto Ontario
11/10/12 10:23 AM EST
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Femi-nazi versus islamo-fascist
Hilarious to see these two groups of lefty clowns go at each other. On a side not, I bet, the femi-nazis outraged over men-only barber shops have no problem with women-only gyms, spas, and book stores.
ron, Vancouver Bc
11/10/12 6:35 PM EST
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BOYCOTT MUSLIM BUSINESSES
Based on this argument Muslims can get away with anything. Muslim cab driver's already refuse to transport dogs because its "against their religion". Muslim businessman will be able to deny services to gays OR women not covered with a veil based on their "religious beliefs" The fact of the matter is Muslims don't belong in Canada - and as a gay person this lesbian should not have been patronizing a Muslim business anyway. When I am at Church & Wellesley I see a lot of gay people patronizing the many Sharia compliant restaurants in this area ignorant to the fact that they serve only HALAL ONLY meat. How many people reading this are aware that HERO Certified is in fact HALAL Certified? Do gays not realize that under Sharia law gays are executed? Have you noticed how these sharia compliant restaurants at Church & Wellesley offer special discounts to the Muslim students from Jarvis Collegiate? STOP GIVING THESE BACKWARD PEOPLE YOUR BUSINESS! THEY DO NOT BELONG IN THE VILLAGE OR IN CANADA! NEXT TIME YOU ORDER A BURGER OR WRAP ASK "IS THIS HALAL?" IF THEY SAY "YES" TELL THEM YOU WILL NEVER EAT THERE AGAIN!
Kevin Brown, Toronto Ontario
11/11/12 1:11 AM EST
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reposting my above comment without the errors?
Based on this argument Muslims can get away with anything. Muslim cab driver's already refuse to transport dogs because its against their religion. Muslim businessman will be able to deny services to gays OR women not covered with a veil based on their religious beliefs. The fact of the matter is Muslims don't belong in Canada - and as a gay person this lesbian should not have been patronizing a Muslim business anyway. When I am at Church Wellesley I see a lot of gay people patronizing the many Sharia compliant restaurants in this area ignorant to the fact that they serve only HALAL ONLY meat. How many people reading this are aware that HERO Certified is in fact HALAL Certified? Do gays not realize that under Sharia law gays are executed? Have you noticed how these sharia compliant restaurants at Church Wellesley offer special discounts to the Muslim students from Jarvis Collegiate? STOP GIVING THESE BACKWARD PEOPLE YOUR BUSINESS! THEY DO NOT BELONG IN THE VILLAGE OR IN CANADA! NEXT TIME YOU ORDER A BURGER OR WRAP ASK IS THIS HALAL? IF THEY SAY YES TELL THEM YOU WILL NEVER EAT THERE AGAIN!
Kevin Brown, Toronto Ontario
11/11/12 1:19 AM EST
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Anyone wearing a niqab/burqa should be arrested
Women in niqabs(burqas) pick up their children at the school on Church St. at Alexander. There are women in niqabs and burqas walking around on Church St., College St., Bay St., Yonge St. There is a Muslim community around Parliament and Dundas, and it is spreading towards Church St. There is a Muslim Student association at Jarvis Collegiate and Halal burgers on Church St. During Smitherman's campaign there were signs posted on the DVP which said “MUSLIMS DON'T VOTE FOR GAYS." The LGBT community will feel the Muslim creep in the coming years. When I see people wearing masks and costumes and it's not Halloween, I feel scared. What is the difference between a ski mask used for holdups and a burka? Not much. There are men and women wearing burqas trying to smuggle things across borders who are regularly arrested. Suicide bombers wear burqas with bombs hidden underneath. It is easy to hide things under veils. These are not people who will, or want to, assimilate into Canadian society. Why do they come here if they want to continue living the way they did in their country of birth? Why did they leave their country if it was so great? The new law which prohibits wearing masks and disguises at demonstrations should apply to women wearing niqabs/burqas on the street. Anyone wearing a niqab or burqa should be arrested and fined, like in France. In the meanwhile —just for fun— men should wear a face veil on the street with their regular clothes, to make fun of these women in niqabs/burqas, to discourage their emblems of political Islam. If they are arrested or hassled by police —then cite equality under the law. If they don't arrest women wearing niqabs/burqas then they can't arrest anyone doing the same.
Joe, TO ON
11/11/12 3:13 AM EST
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@Joe
I'm glad to see that I am not the only person who can see what is happening to the gay community! That I am not the only person to see the irony in the fact that the gay mecca of Canada is now home to quick-serve restaurants that are almost all Sharia compliant! As I walk by I see the gay customers eating burgers or wraps - totally oblivious to the fact that the meat is Halal, i.e. Sharia compliant. Completely ignorant of the fact that Sharia law calls for the execution of gays. I have seen the Muslim women with bags on their head invade our neighborhood. They are recently arrived "refugees" who are occupying TCHC that should be going to elderly and disabled (e.g. HIV+) Canadians that have been on waiting lists for YEARS!!! These people step off a plane one day at Pearson and the next day they are in FREE housing that was intended for needy Canadians? WAKE UP CANADA BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!
Kevin Brown, Toronto Ontario
11/11/12 5:46 AM EST
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Religious rights vs. human rights
Human rights trump religious rights. It's sometimes a murky issue, but I would argue that any oppressive action cannot be justified by religious belief. Religious practice should never take precedence over someone's basic human rights. In Canada, women are equal under the law. In this case, the woman is in the right.
George, Toronto ON
11/11/12 12:20 PM EST
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Religious rights ARE human rights
What, are we as queer community going to advocate putting our Muslim neighbours out of business because we have some inherent 'right' to be physically touched by them? This is not about religious rights VS human rights - people have the right to follow their religion. This man does not feel comfortable touching strange women physically. So we are going to slap a HR complaint on him and he can't be a barber anymore? Is this the kind of political stance we want to endorse? Go to the zillions of other barbershops in the city! This has nothing to do with homophobia, btw. He didn't object to the type of haircut. He objected to touching a strange woman to cut her hair.
Ali Dover, London ON
11/12/12 3:11 PM EST
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Poor guy!
That poor poor barber! He already has to ask if each and every one of his customers is trans-gendered... right? Just like Christians still have to ask a woman if they are menstruating before they're allowed to touch them. Because asking about and judging a stranger's genitals is totally ethical and appropriate as long as you say an invisible deity in the clouds told you to do it.
Kim, Toronto Ontario
11/12/12 3:12 PM EST
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Glad to see discrimination alive and well
I know I shouldn't be surprised by the comments on articles like this, but the amount of hatred spewed here is truly amazing, particularly from a community that faces it every day. Assuming that the barber is abusive or violent is as accurate as assuming that all gay men are pedophiles. While I think that it's important to actively engage in meaningful discussions on how rights play out in our communities, none of the perspectives above are any kind of helpful. Terrified of muslims? Maybe you should actually get to know some. It's pathetic that people feel entitled to hate others in their community (and yes, muslims are part of our community and don't deserve to be arrested or harassed). As for the original issue itself, it makes me wonder how this would be treated if the barber had simply said he wasn't comfortable cutting her hair but didn't cite his religion, and if he suggested another business where she could go. I think it will be interesting to see what the OHRC does with the case and I hope that their response is well-reasoned and considerate. In the meantime, it's moments like this that make me ashamed to share space with others in the queer community who are this hateful. Why is it so easy to ignore the sting of discrimination that we've felt before when dealing with others? More than anything, I think comments like the ones above show just how sad our community is.
Adam, Toronto ON
11/12/12 3:12 PM EST
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Female service providers required to serve men?
The logical next step would be forcing women who work at spas and beauty places to provide bikini waxes to men. If a man sues a female worker because she did not feel comfortable giving him a bikini wax, will we be all up in arms on his behalf? That is the suit that is coming next if this complaint is successful.
Ali Dover, London ON
11/12/12 3:17 PM EST
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“My religion” here means Islam, as usual
As usual, “queers” defend Muslims to the death (in some countries, their own) while presumably calling for the outright dismantling of Catholicism. The gay and lesbian community positively *must* resist Islam at every turn.
Joe Clark, Toronto ON
11/12/12 3:37 PM EST
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This is not about gay political resistance of Isla
This is not about political resistance to Islam, but about putting an actual person out of business because he does not want to violate his religious beliefs. Personal religious practices are human rights. And, this is not about gay rights in the least. He did not cut her hair because he did not feel comfortable touching a woman. What kind of haircut she wanted is a red herring. He did not refuse a 'gentleman's/lesbian' haircut on some principal. He refused to physically touch someone in a way his religion says he should not touch her. Full stop.
Ali Dover, London ON
11/12/12 4:23 PM EST
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LOVE IT
A toast to our left leaning society that keeps insisting all cultures are equal and valid in a secular society. Xtra had the unmitigated gall to run a story about the LGBT movement being more tolerant of muslims. You've reaped what you've sown. Wait til 20 years from now.
Jerry smiddaz., ottawa ontariio
11/12/12 5:38 PM EST
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This is not about denouncing religion
I am not remotely Muslim but thanks for the assumption. This case is not about whether religion in general, or Islam in particular, is good or bad, or whether it should be denounced or objected to. This is about a particular person and his freedom to not physically touch people his religion forbids him to touch. Whether religious freedom is a human right is not up for debate; it is a fact. Is the gay rights movement about denying human rights unless they apply to us directly? I really hope not. See Article 18: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/publications/universal_declaration-eng.aspx
Ali Dover, London ON
11/12/12 8:22 PM EST
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Drip by drip, until the river becomes a flood
My religion forbids me from touching black people or handicapped people. Let's see what the OHRC would do with that one. They are apologists for Islamic supremacy. Gays, beware of what is happening to Toronto. Gender equality will collapse with the encroachment of Islam.
woka, woka woka
11/12/12 10:13 PM EST
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If religion is an excuse to disobey the law...
...then where does it end? If a Mennonite does not believe in modern machinery that doesn't give him the right to refuse to drive a truck if that is part of his job description. If a trauma surgeon does not believe in blood transfusions because he is a Jehovah's Witness, he doesn't have the right to let someone bleed to death for lack of proper treatment. And if a Muslim's religion forbids him from touching women, he has no business exercising a profession where the law says he is forbidden from discriminating based on sex. If the guy belonged to the World Church of the Creator and said he wouldn't serve a black person because his religion says the races should not mix, would you be as sympathetic?
Patrick, Toronto ON
11/12/12 10:21 PM EST
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Dear Sean G.
The barber is running a business. Not a religion. A business. A business in Canada must service all Canadians regardless of your personal beliefs. The idea of personal beliefs being the excuse for his discrimination is laughable. The barber in question must keep his private beliefs in his house, not in the public domain, and dictate that he only serves as a MUSLIM barber. I too have had the experience when I was younger of asking a Barber to trim the back of my tomboy haircut, he refused. And yes, I was outraged. Religion is...a made up thing. Any educated person can tell you this. You can believe as you like, but when you begin to impose your beliefs through your business practices....then you are imposing your beliefs. Canada has clear laws for business practice. Sean G. needs to learn them...read them if he hasn't and realize that his personal opinion does not hold salt in a court of law. Sean are you Muslim too ?....Do you hate gays/ lesbians/ too ? Just wondering.
RAceR, Montreal Quebec
11/13/12 12:33 AM EST
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Waste of time!
Isn't it also a human right to be allowed to follow your own religion? This is such a simple complaint, more of an inconvenience that the lady faced. For the amount of time she spent convincing the shop-owner to cut her hair, and for the amount of time she spent putting in this complaint, she could have been receiving a hair cut at another location and kept this out of mind. There are worse things in the world that you require fixing and spending your time on the fact that you were refused a hair cut is somewhat of a white elitist attitude that I'm seeing more and more of in Canada. Canada has changed a lot to become a very diverse and multicultural country. Without the introduction of these cultures, think of how dull your lives would be - food, shops, and economy too. For those who are showing your hatred towards Islam, you need to educate yourself more to understand that those who follow the religion aren't all horrible. Your assumptions are only towards the extremists. And any extremist will always be hated by one side or another. There are plenty of gay stereotypes and hatred in this world, so really why do you spread the hate outwards back into the world and expect to not be treated differently? What goes around comes around. Learn to calm the fuck down and just stop complaining about things that really don't matter. Spend your time helping those who are truly in need. Damn!
WOW, Toronto Ontario
11/13/12 1:04 AM EST
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Mitzi Gaynor
A thought about the "divine" Mitzi Gaynor, mentioned in a previous comment - perhaps the complainant in the barbershop story should heed The Scripture According To Mitzi - "I'm gonna' wash that man right outta' my hair, and send him on his way!"
Bemused, Toronto Ontario
11/13/12 2:09 AM EST
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no one has a right to impose fantasy hate crutches
"WOW" -- YOU are the problem with your pablum sentimentality, your lack of knowledge of the past (pre-"diversity" Canada was actually fun -- I was there), your kneejerk defence of Islam seeing all criticisms of it not as a larger anti-religion movement but as a localized US style "discrimination". This is NOT about a haircut or a business. It is not about preventing people from playing with God dolls in the privacy of their own homes. It IS about the fact that no one has the right to impose their fantasy world views (aka religion) on any members of the public. It is about ridding the body politic of the virus of religion. Relegating religion to where it belongs -- in the home and in private like ass wiping or personal/family use of psychological crutches. Think about what you are defending. Do you as a person think the idea of viewing other humans as unclean and not worthy of touch as a good thing? As something we want to inculcate and encourage in society? Is a man in a dress in a mansion telling the world that gays are like Satan someone who deserves respect (instead of charged with crimes against humanity)? Get a grip on your saccharine "progressiveness" and think.
david, Toronto Ontario
11/13/12 8:12 AM EST
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Anyone who doesn't think
that discriminating against a woman is NOT a barbaric, abusive act of violence is a threat to me.
Tiger, Toronto ON
11/13/12 12:01 PM EST
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Don't Ruin Canada's Diversity, please!
I don't understand why is this case complicating everyone?! She has the right to be served the cut she wants, but not wherever she wants; to make a long story short, these are the 2 most important points that determine everything: 1. The way the owner refuses to provide the service: if he politely explains that he can't for personal, religious, or whatever reason, then she should accept that. It's a free country. Not just religion, sometimes the cultural background prevents someone from doing something that's so common and normal to someone stemming from another culture, Canada being a cosmopolitan country, where diversity is beautifully co-existing, we -citizens & residents- should support & respect each others' beliefs as well as traditions, as long as there are alternatives, which brings me to point 2; 2. As long as there are unisex hair salons (and I know there's one just across 'The Terminal' barbershop) that provides hair-cutting services for whatever gender it is, then I don't see any case of discrimination. If the lady was denied service everywhere then ok, but the man was straight-forward and told her his reasons. Was he racist, or had he meant to discriminate against her, he wouldn't even explain his refusal to provide the service.So the way I see it, it's her who's oppressing him based on his religion, playing the discrimination card. There are many religions & cultures where people from a certain gender are not to touch the opposite gender out of respect, not discrimination, to these religions & cultures touching is a means of conveying intimacy, therefore it's restricted to family members and spouses. Why do we all accept going to a Vegetarian restaurant that serves only vegetarian food, knowing that they do so out of religious necessity most of the time? the answer is because there are other restaurants who serve meat-based dishes. Please don't ruin Canada's beautiful diversity. As long as there are alternatives l
Eman Abukhadra, Mississauga Ontario
11/13/12 12:11 PM EST
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Tolerance?
LGBT people making blanket statements about the Muslim community talking about "them" as though they're all the same creepy, intolerant people that are a plague on society. Muslim people making blanket statements about the LGBT community talking about "them" as though they're all the same creepy, intolerant people that are a plague on society. Co-existence in society requires a certain element of tolerance and respect if it's what you demand of it. No, I don't agree with the person's decision to refuse service but it obviously has nothing to do with sexuality. A fuss could be made but look at the amount of disrespect towards another culture this has spawned. Quite the positive contribution to society!
Simon, Toronto Ontario
11/13/12 12:25 PM EST
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Finally !
Finally the cage fight we have all been waiting for ! Islam vs The Gays ! Two protected special interest groups fighting it out for victimhood status ! Babs Hall will have to play Solomon this time !
sanwin, Toronto Ontario
11/13/12 2:46 PM EST
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Drip, drip, drip
You think this is just about a haircut? Women in Islamic countries can't be seen by medical doctors for the same reason - men are not allowed to touch them. They die due to lack of medical care. Wherever hatred of women goes, hatred of all things gay follow. Gender apartheid ends up in gays hanging from the gallows. Drip, drip, drip until the river becomes a flood.
woka, woka woka
11/13/12 5:54 PM EST
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sin to touch a woman
He didn't deny her service because of her sexual orientation. Some muslims believe it's a sin to touch a woman body part (hair) or even look at her if this woman is not their wife. A muslim man can touch his wife even if she's menstruating. This has nothing to do with thinking she's unclean or something. They don't have the impurity concept that exist in the scripture where a woman has to leave the house if she's menstruating.
TokaRocka, Lindsey Ontario
11/13/12 7:43 PM EST
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See the future.....
Geert Wilders talks in Malmo. Listen and learn. See the future. http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL1D050B4059B75ED4&feature=player_embedded&v=vbdZV9PMzMw#!
woka, woka woka
11/13/12 9:47 PM EST
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muslims aren't Christians
First of all, this bid by a militant gay to force gayness down someone's throat will backfire as the OHRC will side with the muslim as muslims are 'better' than gays in the human rights racket. Second, Gay is a religion. It's time to own up to it.
vangrungy, Toronto Ontario
11/13/12 11:11 PM EST
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Freedom is part of the Charter
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that gave people the right to same-sex marriage also affords the fundamental freedom of religion. These men are not imposing their will on the community or society, just under their own roof. Compromises have to be made in a free, peaceful and democratic society. Be careful with taking away someone's freedoms. Yours may be next.
Seán Cummings, Vancouver British Columbia
11/14/12 1:25 AM EST
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Sky fairies
do not exist..... Sky fairies do not talk to intelligent life on this planet..... Sky fairies do not turn human beings against one another.... Why?.... because sky fairies do not exist, that's why.
Jean-Paul, .. N.B.
11/14/12 2:47 AM EST
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no US fundamentalism here please
Here comes the American racist fundamentalist military hate of Islam as "other". Completely NOT part of this discourse about religion and human rights in a secular society. Just more redneck proof that the USA is a hell hole of gun totin' unschooled imbeciles and bigots. It is this American style conflation of anti-Islam with racist xenophobia and not with the larger discourse of anti-religion that kneejerk "leftists" use to shut down the issue and paint all anti-religionists as American hillbilly bigots.
david, Toronto Ontario
11/14/12 7:48 AM EST
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badboi lesbians
Badboi lesbians get more action that us betas.
novasteve, betaville ontario
11/14/12 9:14 AM EST
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Violent acts of discrimination against women....
"Sick to bloody death of these dunecoons Send thm back NOW. Islam is completely incompatible with western civilisation. James H Marks, California Eureka 11/14/12 5:46 AM EST" What he siad!
Trig, Aukland NZ
11/14/12 10:41 AM EST
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what?
....These people defending this despicable act of discrimination are revolting! In what world is it acceptable to discriminate against a women simply because she is a woman? How can this possibly be justified? It can't. Seriously? What kind of barbaric diversity (jihad, look it up) are we interested in supporting in this country? What's the problem here? The woman wanted a haircut. The man discriminated against her and said no, I don't cut hair of women. That's discrimination. Why on earth should I care in any way as to his reasons? It's like supporting a wife-beater by accepting his excuse that "she" made him do it. WTF is wrong with people? There is NO issue here. Fine the fucker and let's move on.
chris, toronto ontario
11/14/12 11:00 AM EST
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respect all religions
Freedom of religion is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance.Canadians are therefore free to have their own beliefs and opinions. i felt sick when i read some of the readers comments about other religions. you are aslo discriminating against people because of their religion .
ran rami, toronto on
11/14/12 12:39 PM EST
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IslamoFauxbia
Ok. My spouce her house doctor is a practising Muslim. So far he managed to excercise his profession as any other Doctor, And 'touches' her when and where needed to make a diagnoses. So Ali stop playing the victim card.
Will, St Catharines Onatario
11/14/12 1:41 PM EST
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religious dogma is not a human right
ran rami and others -- this is one of the ket issues in Canada now. People like you come here thinking it is welcoming and diverse. And it can be. However we who have been here for longer have fought hard and long against the existing and only religion of the culture since 1867 and that is Christianity mainly (and Judaism). Some of us have managed to war against these religions to achieve a common societal value that discrimination against women, homosexuals, trans people and others is not illegal but is unwanted. A meta value that trumps any specific tenet of any religion. Religion as a category of people is protected and that is why you come. But your specific tenets cannot contravene our Meta Values such as protection of women, gays, etc. And this is a case that does. Indeed the problem is that Islam has replaced Christianity in our society as the main religion using its tenets to discriminated and even hate women, gays, etc. Fundamentalist Christians (like Stephen Harpur) continue to do this on a lower key level usually but embrace Islam so it can do their dirty work of discrimination in the name of a religion for them. Do you get it? The problem is the position of many aspects of your religion are counter to the Meta Values of our secular pro-women and pro-gay society. You may practice your religion but do not expect us to welcome your hatred and venom against people who have fought with our lives to change our own society! And the Pollyanna non-Islamic ninnies who are bleating their peace for all bullshit -- YOU are the problem. Your sentimentality is not a Meta Value; it is an excuse to avoid what is the elephant in the Canadian room -- what does secular progressive meta value do with religious hatred masquerading as human rights? I mean all you scone with the vicar milquetoast "gay christians" holding bake sales for "diversity" with blinkers on to your own complicity in this mess.
david, Toronto Ontario
11/14/12 3:44 PM EST
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A gay person
I'm a gay person and have been a loyal customer to the terminal barber shop since 2009. Staff and owners know very well that i'm gay,they always treated me with respect and offered me a high quality of service.
Ted, TORONTO ON
11/14/12 7:02 PM EST
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Hey TED...
Any self-respecting gay person that I know wouldn't support discrimination against women. I encourage you to come out of the closet and be GAY! That means supporting women when they are discriminated against. That's what WE do! That's being GAY! Or did you think it was just about sucking dick?
Tim, Toronto On
11/14/12 7:59 PM EST
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fight when no jobs
simple, special club, special groub, special bussines.tomorow I will go to good life fitness special for woman wearing gay clothes to sue them, because I do not have a job or I need some money to spend it on casino and I will find some stupid people to support me and some others will pay for that imagine if we follow all special business and sue them. Simple the best way she can go somewhere else to get the service. We do not know if there is another story hidden. But government happy because of the economy, jobs down and no such change in wither to talk about it so we will find something make us and media busy
jak, mississauga ON
11/15/12 10:17 AM EST
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Freedom
It is so simple. Each person has the right to act based on his culture, experience, religious, etc... So long as you give yourself the right to act, you have to give others the same right. Why be stubborn to impose things on anyone! if for whatever reason a person does not want to do it, let it be so long as it is not hurting anyone. The only one to be impacted is the owner. He is then have the right to let him go. Guys, no one is inviting you to Islam to just be against the whole world. It is the freedom of choice. Thanks
H Joseph, Mississauga Ontario
11/15/12 10:22 AM EST
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Discrimination for any
reason hurts people. It's not reasonable to use religion as free reign to discriminate against anybody, ever. Especially 50% of the population. It is vile, destructive, barbaric, primitive, and medieval. Anyone who supports discrimination especially against 50% of the population are a threat to ALL. No one has the "right" to discriminate based on religion in Canada. Religious "rights" do not trump basic human rights in Canada especially for 50% of the population. Make no mistake that to accept this religious discrimination (against women)would place ALL women at risk.
Kyle, Toronto Ontario
11/15/12 10:58 AM EST
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it's not Discrimination
you have to read and understand what's mean Discrimination.and if you mean that 50% refering to the percentage of womens and that shop not accepting them that's mean we have to sue the gays as they do not like to have relation with 50%
jak, mississauga on
11/15/12 11:51 AM EST
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Stupid Faith
It's HIS religion, not YOURS you stupid biatch. It's out of respect to you and his wife I would imagine. Stop fighting everything just for the damn sake of it and go to another barber.
Mike, Toronto ON
11/15/12 12:11 PM EST
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Immigrants should assimilate or go back home
Imagine if the dullard Muslim barber were forced to give women haircuts against his will, what a botch job he would do? LOL. Go to another barber indeed. BUT do fight the cause just the same. If he so desperately wants to practice his religion in contravention of Canadian law, then he should go back to where he came from. He would be much happier there. And we would be much happier if he were there —not here. These people should be reminded that they can still go back home. Canada is not really a place where they feel at home, or else they would assimilate. People like that don't want to assimilate. Why have them here? We don't want them..Neither do we want women wearing niqabs and burqas on Canadian streets —face coverings and masks on the street are creepy.
Joe, TO ON
11/15/12 1:55 PM EST
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Post your policy
It's interesting to note that one of the rationales for why this act of discrimination is "ok", is that it has nothing to do with "being gay". Apparently misogyny is still a perfectly reasonable grounds for discrimination among our gay brethren. The barber was polite in his refusal. True. And, OF COURSE above all else, we Canadians value proper manners. This is evident throughout the comments here. But being polite is still no excuse. If there is some kind of policy in place at this establishment, then it should be posted clearly for all to see. In the future, this barber ought to consider posting a sign to the effect that it is a mens-only shop and for what reason. Extending an example from an earlier comment: vegetarian restaurants usually have signs up indicating that they are in fact, vegetarian. Thus individuals can make an informed decision before entering the restaurant. I put forth that had there been proper signage at "The Terminal" about their policies that this woman would not have even entered the shop at all. And, perhaps the time has come for the shop to do a little outreach and rent a chair to someone who WILL cut ANYONE'S hair regardless of gender?? At least there would then be one barber available when, inevitably, they refuse to cut another's hair based on whatever limitations religion has imposed.
KiranG, Toronto Ontario
11/15/12 2:47 PM EST
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Freedom?
Let the man practice his religion!!! find another barber! so what! what's wrong with you?!
Sam A, Mississauga Ontario
11/15/12 3:57 PM EST
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This has nothing to do with haircuts!!!
You! That is what is wrong with us. Part of "his religion" includes contravening other more essential elements of human rights laws. Now the shit is hitting the bible. If religion is a human right, what happens when the beliefs and practices of that religion involve hatred and discrimination of other human rights? In this case women's rights. Freedom of religion brings out every nut case apologist for all of the endless atrocities committed in the names of their gods! As a society we must re-examine what freedom of religion means when it is the superstitions of those religions that are used as root excuses for evils from slavery (formerly) to killing homosexuals (in many Islamic Sharia regimes and fundamentalist Christian African regime as well as a core element of American society).
david, Toronto Ontario
11/15/12 4:44 PM EST
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If anyone has a problem with
my sisters or my mother then they now have a problem with ME.
Tom, Hamilton ON
11/15/12 4:51 PM EST
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Rules
ANYONE who wants to live in Canada should follow OUR rules. If you don't like it, GET OUT! These guys are barbers. Cut the damn hair or go home to your own country.
X, Toronto ON
11/15/12 5:40 PM EST
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Gimme a break
The Terminal Barber shop has been around as long as I can remember (back to the sixties)and I have always been amazed they have been able to maintain a quaint little corner barber shop in the midst of Toronto's elite spas and changing demographics. Congratulations Faith, your ill concieved, self serving and egotistical rant to the Ontario Human rights will probably force this guy, who is just trying to eke out a living, out of business in order to finance legal costs. I hope he manages some way to counter sue you.
John, Toronto ON
11/15/12 7:00 PM EST
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Barbers & licensing
Any licensed operator of a public business should be required, by law, to provide their services regardless of what they may believe. The operating license should be removed from this business.
why, outoftown Alberta
11/15/12 8:53 PM EST
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How about spa services for women
Can we men have that. There are many women who don't give services to men such as hair cut, spa, massage therapy etc... so can I file a complaint if they deny my service. Or does the situation only apply against Muslims
sammy, lopez ON
11/15/12 10:11 PM EST
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Do Catholics perform abortions? No.
Catholic doctors refuse to perform abortions due to their religious views and beliefs. They refer a patient to another doctor or institution. I see no difference with this case. Should these barbers find that it is against their religious beliefs to cut the hair of a woman other than family based on the Koran then by all means it is within their rights. There was no harm done to this woman by their refusal to cut her hair, she simply had to go someplace else. Some people just go out of their way to stir it up and get attention. This is such a flagrant waste of taxpayer money that Ms. McGregor should be ashamed of herself.
brad, vancouver bc
11/15/12 11:33 PM EST
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Not following the law?
Rather ironic those most upset about this have no issue with women only salons, spas and gyms. I'm not religious, but do find it sad many posting here that are part of the LGBT community are so intolerant of someone else's lifestyle and beliefs.
Ryan, Niagara ON
11/15/12 11:37 PM EST
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krazee Islam and kooky Jesus trump human rights
Many commenters here echo Barbara Hall of the Ontario Human Rights Council and Rosie diManno liberal Star columnist in rushing to defend the subjective tenets of Islam as if these tenets are totally value-neutral and equivalent to rights of race, sex, sexual orientation, etc. Your liberal defense of this is something you may want to think upon since it means you are defending the "right" of anyone using a religion as a category of human rights to cite any tenet of their religion as legitimate no matter how horrific, insane, anti-social, misogynist, homophobic, anti-secular it may be. The fundamentalist Christians of the USA are using this very conumdrum as their excuse for outrageous attacks on other real human rights groups. You liberals have conflated a bunch of issues into one reductivist pot, lashed out and protected the insane fantasy rules of belief systems that are thousands of years old and are selectively interpreted as their adherants see fit (the veil is not mandatory in the Koran yet groups insist on using it to alienate themselves and say to their fellow citizens: fuck you!. Freedom of "religion" is a powder keg. Check out the middle east. Barbara Hall says there is no hierarchy of rights. THAT is the problem.
david, Toronto Ontario
11/16/12 9:52 AM EST
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Two (Irrelvent) Solitudes
A man who believes he cannot cut a woman's hair is sued by a woman who wants to look like a man. Whatever!
keith, Toronto Ontario
11/16/12 10:25 AM EST
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Definition of 'Freedom of Religion'
I always thought that the concept of freedom of religion was that the individual had the right to their beliefs without fear of imprisonment or government penalties based on failure to follow an official State Religion (for lack of a better term). What it doesn't imply is a freedom from the law based on personal beliefs. That would be an impossible can of worms to deal with. You can believe in Deity XYZ but if you break a law, you still face the consequences regardless of whatever scripture you subscribe to. It's a good system. Fair to all. I don't see how this is a complicated case.
JasperC, Toronto Ontario
11/16/12 10:50 AM EST
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Bitching for bitchings sake......
it's clear that Ms. McGregor is simply spoiling for a fight. There are 4, count'em, 4 barber shops withing 10 meters of the Terminal Barber Shop and they would more than likely have no issue, but no, this has to become a fight. Irony being what it is, I find this 'issue' akin to those who complain about gays on TV. We respond with change the channel if you don't like it; yet, in this case we can't seem to say change barbers. I have to say, the more I see such trite and pedantic nonsense, the more embarrassed I become for our community. We demand tolerance and acceptance but seem to offer none. The Radical Left of the LGBT community does themselves nor anyone, any favours. ....and Ms. McGregor, your 15 min. are up.
Jon in Canada, Montreal Quebec
11/16/12 11:33 AM EST
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By the way......
A haircut is NOT a human right. Just thought I'd mention that should anyone be confused about a real human right is. Perspective people, perspective.
Jon in Canada, Montreal Quebec
11/16/12 11:37 AM EST
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This is a case
Of Sharia law insiduously trumping our human rights. ... I agree with David (above)....
jean-paul, .. N.b.
11/16/12 11:47 AM EST
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Totally Done to Garner Media Attention
I think that Faith McGregor was doing this specifically to create an issue. It's not the first time she's pulled something like this and probably not the last.
Marcus, Toronto Ontario
11/16/12 11:48 AM EST
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Not about a haircut or gender
Ms. McGregor targeted Terminal Barber Shop a fact that is obvious. She passed up all the other surrounding establishments and went looking for a fight. Why, because she's a racist bigot out to crucify the Islamic barber. He whining and complaint to OHRC have nothing to do with her gender, but rather a public statement of her sexual orientation. She wasn't denied service because she's a lesbian so she couldn't play the homophobia card. She therefore chose to play the gender card instead. The problem with her logic is that while she claims she was refused service because she's a woman (odd since she doesn't want to be a woman) she was not. She was simply informed that the Islamic barbers in the establishment could not serve her since their religion forbids them to touch a woman who is not related to them. Stranger still is how she can get up on the soapbox and demand that the rest of the world respect her rights at the risk of being branded homophobic, yet she refuses to respect the rights and religious freedom to the barbers. She's nothing more than a bigot who wants to justify her own hatred. She makes me glad I no longer live in Canada. She hardly typifies the Canada I was born and raised in, as do all the other bigots who have responded with descriminatory remarks. It's a shame that Canada can't revoke the citizenship of somebody that was born there. She'd be a prime candidate.
James, Macaé Rio de Janeiro
11/16/12 3:21 PM EST
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shocked
Totally shocked at the level of Islamophobia in these comments. Shame on everyone who has experienced marginalization and who turns around and marginalizes others. That's not what our queer community should be about. You seem also to ignore the large number of queer Muslims in our community, who have themselves contributed to a greater LGBT community in Toronto. In regards to this case, I think this woman should have picked her battles better. It's a shame to waste media on this case, because this is the one time where the person refusing to do the haircut had the right to do so. My girlfriend has been treated with refusal and extreme hostility going to a barbershop and it was never on (specific) religious grounds. If this had been a case of "you have a vagina, therefore we refuse to give you a man's cut", she would have had a case and I would have so appreciated the media attention it would get. The barber wasn't being homophobic or transphobic. You could argue he was being sexist, but I don't even think that's what was happening. It just look like McGregor's gone on the offensive here. She's diluted her own argument. She wasn't refused a masculine haircut. She was refused on the basis of a specific tenet of someone's religion. I would love to have seen this be a valid case, but it's not. It's just one person trying to make a case out of a weak argument. All this person has accomplished is making butches look like a joke in the media (as if they don't get enough of that already), as well as fanning the flames of Islamophobia. My advice to McGregor- there are really really valid and important battles out there. Next time, pick the right one.
J.A., Toronto Ontario
11/16/12 5:06 PM EST
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Since when did supporting the rights of women
become Islamphobia? There are many ways to hate women and religion is one of the greatest. That's not Islamphobia, that is fact. Get over yourself and stop trying to turn this into anything then what it is, the human rights of 50% of the population to get a haircut in Canada wherever they dam well want to without being subjugated to feeling less than or dirty because of some childish barbaric belief. Islamphobia indeed.
Dick, Hamilton ON
11/16/12 5:19 PM EST
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The barbershop did offer her a haircut later...
The barbershop suggested a solution to McGregor toward the end of August, offering her a haircut from a barber willing to do so. “It’s the principle of the matter so I turned down their lawyer’s offer and said, ‘No, I wish to continue with the tribunal,’ because this needs to be discussed and now it’s bigger than what occurred with me that one day, in one afternoon,” said McGregor. She is asking the tribunal to force Terminal Barber Shop to offer its men’s haircuts to both genders, and suggests in her application that the shop post a sign indicating it serves both men and women. She is not seeking money.
Phil Ryan, Toronto Ontario
11/16/12 5:25 PM EST
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A basic approach to this issue, imo,
Is to compare Islam's sharia law to the Precepts of th Christianity's catholic church..... Both laws represent interpretations of so-called divine revelations and they are intended to integrate religious practices into secular society.... Religious holidays, etc. ... As i see it, the issue here is focused on the inability of a business to deliver its services to the general public.... It's the same issue confronted by the pastry shop who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple, or by the bed and breakfast who refused to allow a same-sex couple to sleep in the same bed in their place of business.... A business licence is granted to those who are willing and able to offer goods and services ... Period. ... In this particular case, it would be most interesting to hear what canadian muslims have to say about sharia law and its entanglements with constitutional laws of any democratic country.
jean-paul, ... N.b.
11/16/12 6:02 PM EST
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Ezra - Human Rights Commissions will favour Muslim
Politically correct poker: http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/politically-correct-poker/1974432655001
woka, woka woka
11/16/12 11:34 PM EST
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spare time
foufou I think this women suffering from spare time ,so she wants to have a game to enjoy her self for small period plus she wants to be a famous lady .
fati, Toronto Ontario
11/17/12 12:27 PM EST
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haircut
Next time I want my butt hole waxed and someone refuses... I'll file a complaint. ;-] Take a walk to another barber sharp sweetie. If they were closed for business on a Muslim holiday - would you go elsewhere or come back looking for a fight. The guys who work at and come in for services at the Terminal Barber shop are great. Good old fashioned barber shop. They give excellent straight blade shaves - just like the old days. They have many gay customers. Their religion prevents them from servicing female clients. What can they do? Should they not be allowed to run a business? If this scrapping dyke has her way they wouldn't. If anything - this is great PR for them. I'm rooting for ya fellows!
bald man, Tarana ON
11/17/12 2:38 PM EST
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Win! Win! Win!
Women demand and receive female-only "safe" spaces at most universities funded by everyone(even though the student body is over 55% female at most universities York's centre claims women are "socially isolated") and they won't admit men, gay men included. I don't know any lesbian who has a male doctor. Women go out of their way to avoid dealing with male professionals. This just reeks of aggression on her part. The claim that "all she wanted was a haircut" is patently false. She's spoiling for a fight, and has admitted as much since she isn't interested in being accommodated. "I want my rights to triumph." This isn't about equality: it's about victory.
Alex, Edmonton AB
11/17/12 4:48 PM EST
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Welcome
Welcome to Canada, spiritual home of the Fourth Reich. I am a free thinking Kiwi and if this amount of psychotic ranting goes on over there, and doesn't allow a person to follow his own religious beliefs, then my opinion of the great and beautiful Canada has hit an all time low, and no one could pay me enough to visit.
Wayne, Christchurch Canterbury, NEW ZEALAND
11/18/12 4:50 AM EST
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Muslim dictatorships imported to Canada
@Wayne “Canada, spiritual home of the Fourth Reich.” ??? Muslim countries are spiritual homes of the 4thReich! Muslim countries are all dictatorships --even where they now have elections. Even “liberal” Turkey has imprisoned numerous journalists. All Sharia based countries are dictatorships. Did you know that in Saudi Arabia a man's life (death insurance) is worth the price of a 100 camels, a woman's life =50 camels and a non-Muslim =25 camels? Women are 2nd class citizens who can't even vote or drive. Non-Muslims did thrive at one time In Muslim countries, but now less and less. Jews were driven out; Christian churches are being bombed... In Muslim countries people can be jailed for questioning Islam --even through a 140ch Tweet. BTW, Gays, Lesbians and Trans are very harshly treated in Muslim countries. And Muslims bring their prejudices with them...“Muslims don't vote for Gays,” was posted all over a major route in our last mayoral election...What next? If Muslim countries and Sharia are so great, then why do people escape from there and want to come to Canada? And once here, why do they not assimilate? Who in their right mind would hire a woman in a burka, or a man wearing pyjamas? And who desperately wants to see that on our city streets outside of Halloween? There are Muslim ghettos where that is all one sees and now spreading...A district of Burkastan flown by a hurricane and transplanted in Toronto...This is not Kansas any more Dorothy. Will Sharia eventually trump our Charter of Rights?
Joe, TO ON
11/18/12 11:10 AM EST
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Diversity
In most majority muslim countries gays are routinely harrassed and even executed. Little or nothing is ever said about this because doing so and telling the awful truth would invite charges of bigotry and islamophobia. And so for the sake of diversity and tolerance we gays are forced to accept the presence of a constituency whose belief system could see us killed In London not too long ago, islamists distributed stickers declaring certain areas of the city "gay-free zones". I fully expect to see such practices spread and fully expect that any and all attempts to denounce or to counter such 'enlightened initiatives' will be shouted dcwn with cries of islamophobia. One last thing, Faith McGregor may well suffer the same fate as Molly Norris, the young women from Washington State who had to go into hiding and be reassigned a new identity after she recieved death threats for promoting an "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day". Such intolerance is unacceptable. Piss Christs and dung Virgin Marys are OK, though. Those types of initiatives are truth-to-power 'transgressive'
John P, Montreal Quebec
11/18/12 11:17 AM EST
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Good for business, but causes eye strain
While Ms. McGregor basks in the cheers of self appointed "queer" activists and anti moslem xenophobes, I wonder if she has pondered how much she has helped this barber shop with free advertising or how much eye strain she has caused by "rollie eyes."
Keith, Toronto Ontario
11/18/12 11:34 AM EST
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Is Ms. McGregor Discriminating
Does refusing a haircut from a non Moslem barber mean that Ms. McGregor only wants a haircut from a Moslem barber? And, if so, is this not discrimination against non Moslems? No wonder people laugh at self appointed "queer" activists.
Keith, Toronto Ontario
11/18/12 12:02 PM EST
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Islamophobic misandry
Thank you for wasting our tax dollars. You are an embarrassment to the LGBT community, we have much bigger issues with discrimination in society than this. As an added bonus; You've given the neo-con's yet another example of 'man hating lesbian', this time with an anti-muslim twist. Let's see how many years this one gets rehashed and thrown back in our faces. Again, thank you for wasting everybody's time
Dave, Edmonton AB
11/18/12 4:53 PM EST
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Thank you Faith on behalf of all LGBT
people who care about the rights of women. Thank you for your taking a stand. It is right. It is part of the LGBT history and our very existence to not allow religious fascism to supersede the rights of anyone especially women. We support you! You are not a second class citizen.
Sean, Toronto ON
11/18/12 6:58 PM EST
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Ludicrous!
There are three kinds of hair cutting establishments. Barber shops, that cater to male clients, Beauty Salons that cate to women clients, and Unisex Salons that serve both sexes. Most folks have enough grey matter to figure out which one of these is appropriate for them. Ditto for washrooms - there are male, female, and unisex washrooms. Should women denied access to a men's washroom file Human Rights cases? How ludicrous. The Barber Shop proprietor's religion has nothing to do with this, and is just a red herring. Is it discrimination when a men's choir admits only men, or a hockey team doesn't allow women in the men's locker room? Hmmm, I need a pair of Jeans, so I'll just pop into this dress shop because it's conveniently close by, and charge them with discrimination if they won't serve me. Hmmm, my local Italian restaurant won't make me Wonton soup and Chop Suey - I think I'll file a discrimination charge. This is plain and simple harrassment of a small business by an idiot, and reflects badly on the gay/lesbian community. The OHRC should throw out this complaint, and compensate the shop owner.
Egbert, Oshawa Ontario
11/19/12 1:25 AM EST
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Wow, people think
it's about a haircut?
Sean, Toronto ON
11/19/12 11:28 AM EST
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Faith McGregor - Hair today -Gone Tomorrow
Oh if only I had hair. As a gay who went bald at 21 I can only be jealous of this controvery. I moved to Scarborough North in April this year from Parkdale. I have utterly surprised to see the hatred of Islamic Muslims. These people simply hate white people. They hate gays. They are likely here in Canada only for the free social services they expect white people to pay for. Try to get served by a muslim doctor here, gay or straight, if you are white. Omar Mahrouk was likely having having a bad day and Faith was the next white person to walk in. I fully support her quest to the human rights tribunal and think all gays should. Come and live here before you agree with him for "religious" reasons. And while I'm at it...To Hell with Mohammed and Allah.
Bryan Charlebois, Toronto Ontario
11/19/12 2:10 PM EST
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how sad...
People want to be accepted for who they are but will tell others they can not be who they are. I find this embarrassing. Its not like they're aren't other places for someone to get their hair trimmed. I hate the fact that people will go around screaming about fair treatment and understanding but won't do the same in return. As a gay man I understand why people hate annoying loud mouthed gays that can't see both sides thanks to their own blissfully self-centered ignorance. I support the barber because I know why he couldn't give her a hair cut without committing more then one sin in this instance and no one has the right to force him to go against his belief.
shane, ottawa on
11/19/12 5:09 PM EST
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funny
its sooooo funny to read such comments that these barbers hate white people and gay ...really funny coz 90% of their customers are white and gay... if you do not want to pay for them simply do not go to them . you are not different you also epressing how much you hate these muslims guys ..so watch your self before criticizing others
ray farshogan, toronto ON
11/19/12 8:15 PM EST
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I Hate Muslims?
I never even thought of Muslims. Who has? Who would pick up a muslim at FLY? They are down right ugly. The muslims refuse to serve white people in Scarb north. That's a fact. I can't get a haircut either at Cedarbrae Mall and I am a man. The hairdresser just dances around and speaks arabic and acts vulgar. They can't leave their silly religion at home or church. They treat their women like garbage and now they want to treat our women the same way. As you know, most white people moved out of Scarborough (above Eglinton) long ago to get away from these losers. So it's not surprising this case has occured. May the Americans speed your way to Allah!
Bryan Charlebois, Toronto Ontario
11/20/12 11:03 AM EST
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very simple
bryan it very simple go to human rights and file a complane against all muslims in canada ...maybe that would make you feel better
a., toronto on
11/20/12 5:51 PM EST
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Abolish Pseuso Human Rights Commissions
This lady Faith McGregor wants to act like a man and has no real case when it comes to so-called human rights. Fundamental human rights have traditionally been freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom to own property, etc..... Politically correct kangaroo courts have trampled on all of these fundamental freedoms to advance pseudo rights, such as a right to tax funded sex change operations, the right to not get offended when a Christian disagrees with the homosexual agenda, the right to sleep with another homosexual in a Christian's bed & breakfast, and now the pseudo right to force a Muslim barber to cut one's hair. In a truly just Canada no such government body would even consider investigating this type of case. Adults should tell Faith to get over her narcissism and either go find another barber or even better yet, repent of her homosexuality and get a woman's haircut. Faith could exude her God given feminine beauty and reclaim her true womanhood if she turns to Christ and surrenders her life to a truly loving God.
Bill Whatcott, Weyburn SK
11/20/12 7:38 PM EST
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My Doctor is Muslim; I have seen him touch women
@Bill-What-TF- LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL !!! The Supreme Court did give you the right to be so retarded, so go ahead and have your say —“no matter how heinous.” Just know, that so many people are laughing at what you wrote. You are wasting your time on this site. You are not wasting our time, because we find you very entertaining. In actual fact, “this lady Faith McGregor” never lost her “womanhood.” It is in every cell of her body and: breasts, ovaries, eggs, uterus... And the Government of Canada gave her the right, in writing, to practice her Homosexuality, not only alone, but in wedded bliss with someone of her own choosing —not your. She just wanted a simple haircut. A business open to the public cannot discriminate about who they serve. Besides that...There are Muslim men who even refuse to talk to women, not because their religion directly forbids it, but because their religion indirectly implies that women are inferior. Muslim men feel superior to women. Imagine hiring one of those Muslim men to work in a department store as a sales clerk —and they refuse to talk to 51% of the population? It's their religion they may claim —but it's not. My doctor is a Muslim man and an excellent doctor. I have seen him talk to and touch women at a clinic. If a Muslim doctor can do it, then why can't a barber? Is it the education level?
Joe, TO ON
11/21/12 2:43 AM EST
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are there no workhouses for these people
A prayer for Bill Whatcock. "O Bored, please clamp a cilice around his withered genitals so he may know the pain of the holy mary cunt as she expelled the little bugger of god and let him wake from his sleepwalk of Papist enslavement and pay a good psychiatrist to slap a Community Treatment Order on him before he does further harm to fellow Canadian civilians. In the name of the Blither, the Scum and Scary Ghost."
david, Toronto Ontario
11/21/12 8:04 AM EST
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Let me get this straight...
It is acceptable for a Muslim doctor to allow a woman to bleed to death because he can't touch her...? A firefighter cannot carry a woman from a burning building because he has to touch her? Where do you draw the line on doing a job?
Glen, Edmonton Ab
11/21/12 7:55 PM EST
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Barber's religious grounds excuse sounds like BS
I'm siding with Faith McGregor. The fact is this barber has his business open to the public in downtown Toronto so he should serve all public. I find it surprising that this barber would not be in physical contact with unrelated women on crowded buses or trains, in stores (to pay for something to female cashiers for example), or in other situations -- especially in a country where public gender-based segregation is not a norm, and women don't wear niqabs. Do you see the inconsistency here? He's operating his business in downtown Toronto, isn't he? The "religious grounds" excuse sounds like a bunch of BS. Religious customs can be interpreted differently by various groups of people -- it's a mistake to assume this man represents all Muslims.
tom, vancouver bc
11/22/12 12:12 AM EST
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Haircut Denied; A Compromise?
I gather that the barber shop in downtown Toronto had more than one barber. I gather that all the barbers had the same religious issues. It suggests that the owner also discriminated in his hirings as well. Perhaps the court could direct all commercial businesses open to the general public to ensure that at least some of their staff be able to provide, in this case, barbers who did not have religious issues about cutting the hair of a woman.
Peter Reich, Toronto Ontario
11/23/12 11:29 AM EST
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ladies breasts massaging by male barbers in india
Most of the village women of the east Punjab are not wearing bras under their blouses because they have do work in the farm fields under scorching heat all the day. The running sweeets wet their all clothes and body and also wet their breasts.Their breasts also become most pulpy and soft.the dust sticked fully in their hair and they dont find any time even once in a month to get washed their hair and get massaging of their breasts from the village male barbers.Hence the village male barber visit once or twice in a week at the persian well in the field farms by carrying two pitchers full of curds, lassi alongwith haircutting kits.The village women go there at persian well and sit in the hose The village barbers first shave their half head from nape upto mid head near sides burns.they then wash the ladies hair and upper body with lassi and curds very well.After this,they shave their underarms,breasts and privacy parts of the village ladies and also do the breasts massaging of the village women very hard.The male barbers also twisting ladies breasts in order to break the dead tissue and making circulation of blood inside breasts very well .The male barbers also draw all the dried drops of milk from their breasts in order to finish the breasts cancer small glands in order to safe village ladies from diseases of breasts cancer for ever.The ladies breasts become most stiffed, big and well errected. The village women are not feeling any shame in getting such erotic services from the village male barbers as it is a vouge and cultral life of east punjab.(Chumpa Devi)
chumpadevi, mumbai utter perdesh
11/29/12 3:08 PM EST
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islamophobia or homophobia
"shocked Totally shocked at the level of Islamophobia i..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ it's not islamophobia when they really are trying to kill you. how many people do you know who are openly gay in a muslim country? do you know of any mosques that accept us the way mcc does in any country? do you think any gay muslims you know here could be open in a muslim country or any mosque anywhere at all?
kv, toronto on
12/09/12 3:06 PM EST
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Islamo-Phobia —some fears are justified
Phobia means fear —not hatred. But some fears are justified. Although Phobias, or irrational fears, may have prevented many people from experiencing life to the fullest — rational and irrational fears have saved many people from harm. For example if one hears the rattle or hissing of a snake, a flight response —fear— may save one’s life. We have been hearing the rattle of snakes for decades now in the form of explosions all over the world. The killing of innocent civilians in markets, temples and streets in Muslim lands have instilled fear all over our collective globe. That base religious vengeance has been exported to North America, Europe, Africa, where every six weeks another Muslim extremist plot is foiled —but too many are not detected in time. The “Toronto 18” were also thankfully stopped before they hit. Fear of Muslims is not unjustified —especially the ones who proudly promote Political Islam through the wearing of the Hijab (head covering), Niqab (full face covering), pyjamas and other paraphernalia in the middle of any Western city, where they stick out like a sore thumb. These people don’t want to assimilate into Canadian life. Then what do they want here? People who hide behind masks when it is not Halloween may cause fear. Niqab or bank robber’s ski mask —what’s the difference? Islamophobia may well be a “rational fear” given the suffering caused by Islam worldwide. Islam was spread through the sword since the 6th Century. Their swords have been upgraded to AK-47s and explosives, but their ideologies have remained the same —as written in their “holy” book. As a Gay man I do fear that they may throw that “book” at me. I fear travelling to any Muslim country as those cultures are not only Homophobic, but they also hate us rationally, as shown by their treatment of LGBT people. Then how do those devout “Niqabiahs” who walk Canadian streets as if they were in a Saudi village, feel about LGBT people. “Muslims don’t vote for Gays.” What else?
Joe, TO ON
12/10/12 3:00 AM EST
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INDIAN WOMEN HAIRCUTTING/HEADSHAVINGM
Although I am a hindu woman .It was a time 100 years ago when all indian women always like to wear the long hairs and they have never show their privacy parts to any male barber but our hindu culture is most peculier because after the death of husbands ,the widows women are being forced to let male barbers to do the head shaving and complete body shaving even the facial shaving of the indian women every week in which indian widow sit before mal;e barber in nuded position and male barber is allowed free to massaged their breasts and full body nude massaging of the indian widows.On other side, the indian women is enjoyed very much and they get fucked from their male barbers .However old aged woment of age 50 to 80 years and more are allowed in hindu culture to get cut their hair short bfrom their male barbers.Similarly, all hindu women are allowed to get shaved their armpits and breasts by calling male barbers at home. ---------------------------------- but now our indian cultural is completely changed. now there remained only 25 % who wear long hair and have never get cut their long hair but 30 % young generation and even 10 % old aged indian women get trimming their hair upto bra line and slightly above breasts nipple from the male barbers by sitting in nuded position before male barbers and also get breasts massaging and unwanted hair shaving from the male barbers. Remaining 35 indian women ie 10% widows and 25 % modern indian women now get their short bobbed cut cutting and headshaving from the male barbers. i THINK THAT THERE IS NO HARM if indian women get cut their hair short from their male barbers as it will be easy to do domestic works and saving of time in dressing their long plaitbof hair.Similarly there is also no harm if indian women get their breasts massaging and privacy shaving from their male barbers. the getting of weekly breasts massaging from the male barbers will safe them from breasts cancer and breasts will become most big, stiffed& err
chumpa devi, mumbay mudhi perdesh
01/02/13 5:30 AM EST
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from india with madness
dear chumpa wumpa, the fungus ergot must be extra potent on the rotting bread in mudhi perdesh. all my lurve, baba rum raisin
oh mary dont ask, Toronto Ontario
01/02/13 8:06 AM EST
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