Sun removes Levy from Pride beat pending council vote
NEWS / City hall columnist calls councillor an anti-Semite, apologizes for offending tweet
Andrea Houston / Toronto / Friday, April 08, 2011
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Toronto Sun city hall columnist Sue Ann Levy has been censured from reporting on Pride Toronto (PT), just as funding is about to hit council for a vote.
 
In an email leaked to Xtra on April 6, Levy urges several Jewish community leaders to email city councillors in a lobbying effort to strip PT of city funding. She also takes aim at Metropolitan Community Church pastor and Community Advisor Panel (CAP) chair Brent Hawkes, saying he is “working behind the scenes to ensure there's enough votes to overturn the motion.”
 
Levy’s email is the result of “an interesting discussion with Earl Provost, director of stakeholder relations in Mayor Rob Ford's office,” it reads. The email signature identifies her as a Toronto Sun columnist.
 
Neither Provost nor Mayor Rob Ford returned Xtra’s request for an interview.
 
Toronto Sun editor-in-chief James Wallace stands behind his columnist.
 
“Sue Ann has been crystal clear in her columns. She has not been hiding the fact that she wants funding to this group cut,” he says. “As a newspaper we have taken an editorial position that public funds should not go to a group that equates Israel with an apartheid state.”
 
The Sun is mostly concerned with the appearance of a conflict of interest, Wallace says.
 
“I thought it was prudent that she not write on this topic until after council votes,” he says. “If she is writing about the issue it creates the appearance of conflict.”
 
City hall press gallery president David Nickle says he has no control over members of the media. Still — speaking about journalistic ethics generally — he says the rule of thumb for all journalists is, “if you’re going to involve yourself in a political issue, best not to write about it.”
 
Journalists can be activists for causes, he says, but there must always be full disclosure with the public.
 
“It appears she was suggesting that members of the Jewish community organize in a particular way,” he says. “Based on my understanding, she’s not a lobbyist based on the city’s lobbying rules, but she is definitely taking on a political cause.”
 
Xtra contacted all 44 councillors about PT funding for its April 7 Toronto cover story. At the time, Councillor Adam Vaughan warned that Levy has the ear of the mayor and she’s busy orchestrating a campaign behind the scenes to ensure that “Pride will be punished.”
 
Sources tell Xtra that the city manager’s report will likely be on the agenda April 20, not April 12 as previously reported. Francisco Alvarez, PT co-chair, says the final vote is expected in May. On the chopping block is approximately $123,807, the amount PT got in 2010 from the city, plus roughly $300,000 in-kind services like policing and cleanup.
 
Vaughan tells Xtra Levy’s email just confirms what he already knows.
 
As a former advocacy journalist, he often took positions on issues, he says, but “what Sue Ann’s doing is a whole different trajectory. She no longer has a perspective [on Pride]. She has an agenda. She is on the Ford team. She is doing work for the mayor… Take everything she says in light of that.”
 
“This makes us question if she is an extension of the Sun or an extension of the mayor’s office.”
 
Levy is turning the PT funding decision into a referendum on “whether you are with the mayor or not,” he says. “The mayor is watching [PT funding]. The mayor has a position. The mayor has an expected outcome and the mayor is giving orders on this, not just to councillors, but also to journalists. [Claims of racism and homophobia] raises the stakes and heightens the polarization on this, and makes a thoughtful way forward more and more unlikely. And that’s very sad.”
 
One of the recipients of Levy’s email was the Canadian Jewish Congress (CJC).
 
Ontario regional director Len Rudner says, “The Jewish community is united that Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) must not be allowed to march in the parade,” he says. “Sue Ann’s letter represents an approach to this issue. Our approach is different… This has been a hot topic in our office.”
 
On Twitter, Levy shot back at Vaughan, calling him an anti-Semite. She also snapped at city hall reporter Jonathan Goldsbie, calling him “a self-hating Jew,” then “Johnny Jew” when he questioned her ethics.
 
Hours later, Levy tweeted again, this time an apology, right after deleting all the offending tweets: “A few hrs ago I referenced Adam Vaughan in a tweet. I apologize for my comments and regret any distress it caused.”
 
Levy’s email is a direct attack on Hawkes. In it she accuses him of working behind the scenes on behalf of QuAIA, “saving face, keeping bums in the seats of his church and promoting the image of himself, Rev Hawkes, as the self-appointed leader of Toronto's gay community.”
 
Hawkes tells Xtra he is reeling from the letter. He hopes Levy has not compromised any possible productive discussion currently happening at city hall.
 
“I don’t understand her strategy here. She is going after me with statements that are incorrect, and I really resent the impression she is painting of me out there,” he says. “I’m trying to decide what should be the response. We have to take action. This damages my reputation, the church and the entire community.”
 
Lorraine Weinrib, a professor in University of Toronto’s Faculty of Law and CAP panel member, slams Levy’s actions, saying it is unbecoming behaviour for any member of the Toronto media. She also says, in reference to Levy's email campaign, that it is “seriously inappropriate” for a city hall journalist to seemingly appear as a lobbyist for such a controversial issue. It compromises her credibility and could affect the outcome of the issue.
 
“Is this the Sun’s editorial position?” she asks. “This is a departure from the role of a columnist, especially one that covers city council. This is mobilizing support. And these extravagant statements she makes about Brent Hawkes. This is not appropriate for a journalist. She seems to see her role as one to galvanize Jewish support to pressure council to vote a certain way.”
 
In an email to Nickle and Wallace sent from his personal address, Casey Oraa, a Toronto queer activist and political action chair for Queer Ontario (QO), says Levy's actions "raise serious questions around journalistic integrity and the conduct of reporters who choose to act as lobbyists."
 
“Had Ms Levy conducted all of this through a personal email account and as a citizen, there would be no concern raised in my mind, but by choosing to organize using her work email account and position as a reporter, it raises serious questions in my mind around journalistic integrity and the conduct of reporters who choose to act as lobbyists,” Oraa states.


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Wow
I always felt that Sue Ann Levy was a bit of a bitch based on her column, but wow. Talk about total fucking psycho. ALSO willing to bet that the reason she retracted and apologized for some of her twitter comments was strictly on legal grounds
Christopher King, Toronto ON
04/08/11 5:36 PM EST
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Really fuc
This is really getting fucked up. The only real silver lining I can see is that Len Rudner of CJC does not seem to be going along with Levy's demands to Jewish leaders. It would be nice to know if CJC supports Rev Hawkes and the CAP process. Actually surprised no one asked.
Carmen Elantra, Brampton Ontario
04/08/11 6:11 PM EST
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Xtra's journalistic ethics on QuAIA
The article states that Casey Oraa, a Toronto queer activist and political action chair for Queer Ontario, says Levy's actions "raise serious questions around journalistic integrity and the conduct of reporters who choose to act as lobbyists. Had Ms Levy conducted all of this through a personal e-mail account and as a citizen, there would be no concern raised in my mind but by choosing to organize using her work e-mail account and position as a reporter, it raises serious questions in my mind around journalistic integrity and the conduct of reporters who choose to act as lobbyists". Since Levy's role in advocating against QuAIA has been very similar to Xtra's role in advocating for QuAIA in the last year, can we assume that Queer Ontario and Casey Oraa will make a similar statement about Xtra's journalistic ethics? Or will the odious hypocrisy of the gay Left continue to reign supreme?
Joe, Toronto Ontario
04/08/11 8:18 PM EST
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Re: Joe
Re: Joe Why would Xtra need a similar statement? I don't think it's any secret that Xtra doesn't stand for censorship, and from what I read, they're certainly not hiding their activist roots. I'm also pretty certain that Xtra isn't calling anyone derogatory racist slang, or members of city council anti-semites.
JM, Toronto Ontario
04/08/11 8:36 PM EST
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What I still don't understand
is how criticism of Israel - and the support of anyone's right to do so - constitutes anti-semitism. Calling a government an apartheid is calling attention to a shocking disparity in the way it treats two separate peoples within its borders. Saying that the use of this term indicates some kind of bigotry on the part of the speaker just sounds... well, absurd.
Max, Toronto Ontario
04/08/11 9:49 PM EST
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Brent Hawkes
In the nearly four decades I have known him Brent Hawkes is one of the finest people I know. He is a brave and committed activist, has always been. He wears the Order of Canada for a very good reason. The attack on his character and reputation is outrageous. Absolutely staggering. Same old Toronto Sun.
Peter Bochove, Toronto Ontario
04/08/11 9:56 PM EST
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HIV profiteers and reverend QuAIA supporters
Peter Bochove, why don't you back to your long-time business of profiting off of lonely gay men who end up getting infected with HIV in your bathhouse. The article quotes "Reverend" Hawkes as saying: “I don’t understand her strategy here. She going after me with statements that are incorrect and I really resent the impression she is painting of me is out there". I don't know why Hawkes is feigning surprise. Last year, he intervened to get Pride Toronto to allow QuAIA to march at Pride. His CAP report lays sets out the path for a left-wing controlled process that will inevitably result in QuAIA again marching at Pride and chanting hate against Jews in Israel. Hawkes has been on QuAIA's side for a long time. He shouldn't be surprised when people criticize him for it.
Ryan, Toronto Ontario
04/08/11 10:11 PM EST
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Rev. Brent Hawkes
This article from the Friends of Simon Wisenthal Centre outlines some of Brent Hawkes' views on QuAIA and the Community Advisory Panel - http://bit.ly/gJkIqR One quote that I support: "Anti-Semitism is wrong. However, unfounded accusations of anti-Semitism are also wrong. They may serve to demonize vulnerable groups and alienate friends of Israel. We hope that the Jewish community and other supporters of Israel will trust that the objective of our rule is to curb hate speech, and respect our intentions. We hope that they will give our new enforcement system a chance to work. We may disagree on the best way to solve the problems of discrimination, but let us always debate our differences in a fair and respectful manner. When we turn on each other, we both have a great deal to lose."
Michael Went, Toronto Ontario
04/08/11 11:39 PM EST
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No, it's
I'm sorry, but there is at least some anti-semitism mixed in this push by left-wing activists. Israel is entitled to exist and it's entitled to protect itself against its extremist enemies. And please don't think this is a Jewish thing, because I am not Jewish and I disagree with it as well. It's clearly not about free speech, because not every group is permitted to march in Pride. No, it'a about left-wing hatred of the Jewish state, and it's directed right at Israel by left-wingers who have taken over Toronto's gay institutions.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 3:21 AM EST
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The world is watching this
Google around a bit and you'll see that the entire gay world, and of course the mainstream press in Israel, is looking at Toronto and wondering what the hell is going on. And most of the gay community in Toronto are wondering the same thing. A handful of extremists have managed to convert Toronto's Pride into a left-wing circus.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 3:28 AM EST
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It's not true and they say it's anti-semitic
Max, your question deserves to be answered. Anyone can see that the use of the word "apartheid" is inflammatory in any situation. Even if it were true, it would be inflammatory. However, what makes it worse is that it is simply not true. Israel is not an apartheid society. Those who use this term are doing their best to attack Israel in a way that is hurtful to Israelis and Jews around the world. Of course they can't call them "Nazis" (although they would if they could). Beyond that, and this is the more important point, it's enough for Jewish people and Israelis to say that they feel offended by this. If Jews say it is anti-semitic, that is enough. Jews get to decide what is anti-semitic, not us. None of us have the right to tell Jews what to consider anti-semitic or not. It's like some calling you "faggot" or "queer", but then saying "don't let it bother you, I'm not homophobic". If those words offend you, you have the right to say so. For a gay Jewish perspective, I found this online: “When Israel is accused falsely of being an apartheid society, there is an agenda – and that is the delegitimization of the Jewish state. And that is anti-Semitic,” Stuart Appelbaum, the first international trade union leader to announce he was gay, wrote in an e-mail to The Jerusalem Post last week. "When Israel is singled out and held to a different standard than so many countries where people are actually oppressed because of race, that is anti-Semitism, too,” added Appelbaum, who is president of the New York-based 100,000-member Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union."
Jim, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 3:48 AM EST
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Pot calling the kettle black
Xtra attacking the Sun because of its ethics is a good one. Would someone, anyone, please start a proper, politically neutral gay news outlet in this country? Other countries get this. Why can't we? What annoys me the most is that Xtra claims to speak for the entire gay community. Hell, even QuAIA say they speak for the entire gay community. Apparently anyone can speak for us.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 3:54 AM EST
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Freedom of expression?
Let me get this straight: QuAIA gets to march in the parade in the name of "freedom of expression", but Sue Ann Levy has to shut up? Really, Prof Weinreb, is this what the Charter comes down to?
Jim, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 4:01 AM EST
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CJC and CAP
Carmen Elantra, Brampton Ontario: "It would be nice to know if CJC supports Rev Hawkes and the CAP process. Actually surprised no one asked." My apologies for not including a more direct answer to this question. I did ask, and the CJC is in support of the CAP report recommendation of creating a dispute resolution committee to adjudicate the final decision on QuAIA, or any other group for that matter. I will go into more detail on this in my next story. I appreciate you keeping me on my toes. :)
Andrea, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 5:28 AM EST
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[Editor's Note]
Remember to sign in first.
I'm sure it goes without saying that the Andrea above is the reporter. But since I forgot to sign in to the site, and seemingly can not delete and repost comments, I wanted to add full disclosure.
Andrea Houston, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 5:37 AM EST
This development changes nothing
Um, if you could count, you'd notice that this development changes NOTHING. E-mails from the Jewish community were sent to City Councillors at least a month before this e-mail from Sue Ann Levy, following Mayor Ford's announcement to the Jewish community that Pride would not receive City Funding. Her removal from the Pride Beat at City Hall does not change the fact that most Councillors (other than Adam Vaughan and Kristyn Wong Tam) won't talk to Xtra and are likely to vote against funding Pride / QuAIA. The Sun's editor stands behind Levy, the vote will take place, and moderate councillors are also saying they won't fund Pride if QuAIA is there. Every major newspaper and mayoral candidate also spoke out against QuAIA. So start making other plans for Pride or empty your own piggybanks. CJC manipulated Kulanu and this process as 'friends of Brent'. Most of us in the know wouldn't touch your process or your Pride or this publication with a ten foot pole anymore. I do hope one day the dorks who think falsely labelling Israel an apartheid state and marching with chants will understand why this is inflammatory and creates unsafe and harassing environments for Jews, and why you are hypocrites in claiming to be 'human rights' activists. Both PM Harper and Michael Ignatieff have condemned 'Israel Apartheid Week' on campuses, and there was an all party motion against this at the Ont legislature. But drunken mob rule and jiggling bods for straights and cash and public nudity and anti-semitic abuse are what Pride is all about now. Are you Proud? Let's wait and see. There is no 'community' when queers attack Jews and allow it over and over again.
Talk Talk, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 7:37 AM EST
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Make a decision now
Why can't the new Pride Toronto CAP committee make a decision today, whether QuAIA gets to march before City Hall councilors vote in May. Why is CAP holding out, dragging their feet till end of June, what are they afraid of? It seems to me, nothing has change at PT the bottom line is money, money, money, not a community celebration.
Michel, Toronto ON
04/09/11 11:18 AM EST
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Levy is out of line, the truth will not be stifled
Israel is clearly an apartheid state. "I Saw Ramallah" is a great example of one Palestinian man's experience throughout the occupation. Palestinians are second-class citizens, only because Israel has more monetary backing. The only reason people are against this group is because of the unequal power balance of the two groups in Canada: i.e. the Jewish community is much more powerful and present than the Palestinian. No one has the right to try to silence these people for standing against something that they feel is wrong. It is time for Israel to stop grossly ignoring human rights in the name of themselves - we are all people.
The Truth, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 1:38 PM EST
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Sounds Like History Repeating
You know pre-Nazi Weimar Germany was really liberal and free and full of stupid leftists, naive Jews, and queer sex cabarets. Like Toronto today. Funny thing, the Judenrat (like Kulanu Toronto, CJC and Prof. Weinrib and other friends of Rev. Hawkes and CAP) seemed to think playing along with the Nazis would mitigate the damage done. Like CJC and Kulanu and Prof. Weinrib today. Wrong. History remembers and reveres instead the Warsaw Ghetto Resistance, ordinary people who fought back and were dissed by the uptown stooges. Nice try threatening us, Prof. Weinrib and CAP that this might 'change the outcome'. We already know the outcome and that QuAIA and the Pride Coalition for Free Speech bleating Israeli apartheid will be there regardless, and Rev. Hawkes is a close friend of QuAIAs. There is no point in dialoguing with those committed to a 'big tent' embracing every fringe freak and bigot there is. So, vote with your feet and pocketbooks, and tell Pride Toronto and its dupes to fuck off, and tell your city councillors and TD Bank to stop funding this shit. These people don't represent most queers or most Jews. I wonder why anyone continues to bother with them, other than trying to sell themselves or their pathetic causes. My question is why CJC and Kulanu and Prof. Weinrib and Rev. Hawkes love fake bureaucracy so much. Governments love to have blue ribbon panels for the appearance that something is done, when nothing has changed, or will change. Let Pride fall. There is nothing to be gained by engaging with this dysfunctional community anymore. Let them learn their lessons and pay for their own 'free speech' out of their own morally and financially bankrupt pockets. And tell Rev. Hawkes and CAP and Coun. Wong-Tam the jig is up. No one believes you anymore, especially not if QuAIA appears again.
Bye Bye Love, Bye Bye Pride, TO Ontario
04/09/11 2:33 PM EST
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Christians, we don't trust you
Don't you think it's funny that Rev. Hawkes' lefty dog and pony show and CAP keep claiming that 'a process is in place' and suggest that by consulting with some Jews (who? CJC?) that this process is legitimate? Then in the same breath they wring their hands and say that it will take years (after QuAIA demonizes Jews again) to resolve this process and implement the recommendations. Who told them to save Pride? Why couldn't it collapse and be rebuilt? I guess Rev. Hawkes and those who believe in a Jewish Jesus G-d and the cult of endless forgiveness for their sins against Jews expect Jews to still play Santa Claus and play along and fund their little Jewbashing drunk fests and missionary campaigns. Think again. Momma used to say you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep, and Pride TO, and MCC and Xtra, and QuAIA, and all those who marched with them, your company is no longer worth our investment or attention. Period. Most taxpayers and most TD investors would agree. Imagine YOU sitting back for years of abuse and hate crimes and being told to 'be patient' or risk 'changing the outcome'. You beat up on Sue Ann Levy, but not the fringey desperados like Pride Toronto Co-Chair Mr. Alvares, Rev. Hawkes and QuAIA-sponsors like Coun. Wong-Tam trolling the halls of City Hall begging 'forgiveness' and 'patience'. Cry us a river. And please disappear soon, because you only make matters worse. Please encourage your LGBT community in more of this self-destructive fragmentation and immaturity, because it will only hasten your welcome disappearance. Real successful queers don't bother with you anymore. We won our rights to be free of you. Living well and far from you is really the best revenge.
Rev Hawkes Loves QuAIA, Can't be heaven Must be hell
04/09/11 2:57 PM EST
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Israeli injustices can also be criticized
Comfortable, naive, Canadian Jews who cry out against the QuAIA should take a short trip to Israel and dress like a Palestinian for one day. They should try to rent an apartment in Jerusalem and buy groceries, try to take their children to a Jewish school, and do regular daily things, dressed as a Palestinian, to see and feel the reactions they would get from Jews. They should also visit the empoverished West Bank villages. Then, still dressed as a Palestinian go through the army controlled checkpoints to try to get back to the Israeli side. Only then would the Jews crying anti-semitism against any criticism of Israel's behaviour towards the Palestinians, truly understand that some of Israel's policies in the “OCCUPIED TERRITORIES” are truly immoral. If you read the daily Israeli newspapers --Haaretz and Jerusalem Post etc.-- Jewish journalist daily criticize Israeli and right-wing Jewish settler's injustices towards Palestinians. Palestinians today in Israel are like the 1960s American “Niggers” and the Apartheid Blacks of SouthAfrica... Although my heart aches for all people treated unjustly, I despise the QuAIA for destroying the Toronto Pride Parade. Middle-East politics has no business in the Toronto Pride Parade.
WalkInMyShoes, Toronto Ont
04/09/11 7:39 PM EST
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Juicy
The Truth - This really has nothing to do with Israel and Palestine, does it. It has everything to do with left-wing activism in hypercultural Toronto. What's important is the use of the word "apartheid". This is the juicy, critical detail that makes this entire circus so ennervating to them. Even if QuAIA is banned, or the name changed, this group has won and they know it. They've politicized Toronto's Pride, added angst to an event that was too fun for their taste, alienated an ethnic group they don't really like, and let the entire world know how righteous they are.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 10:49 PM EST
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Exposing the reality
Jim, the controversy over QuAIA has exposed the "false unity" of Pride. At one point, it appeared to be a day when all the different groups in the community could come together, show our pride and our numbers to the world, and have a good time. But, the "civil war" over QuAIA has shown that other than a common sexual orientation (or shared history of discrimination), many of us don't really have a lot in common. And, there are groups in the LGBT community that really do hate each other.
Joe, Toronto Ontario
04/09/11 11:02 PM EST
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Why not tell QuAIA to fuck off?
Muslim Protests for 'Democracy' Anyone else noticed that in the bloody battles for Muslim democracy in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, etc. we have seen some anti-Israel rhetoric but no rallies against 'Israeli Apartheid'? Yes, because there is no such thing. And will your holier-than-tofu activists be giving Canada back to the natives and talking about injustice in Canada? And will they mention the link between their manipulation by pro-terrorist groups and the shared interest of the collapse of Canada and Pride Toronto? The real freedom at this point is freedom from this. Freedom to associate in Canada includes the right to be free of hate crimes and harassment, which CAP should acknowledge. If at this point you don't understand how your actions and omissions have threatened our community and the Jews in it, or why Jewish sites need security from the likes of your radical anti-Israel scum, or why hate crimes are increasing by bleating propaganda like 'apartheid' and singling out Israel and Jews for demonization at Pride by manipulating our community and its media, there really is nothing for us to talk about. You took the city's best party and you turned it into the Nazi Party. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Call us when your 'free speech' activists support groups like Queers Against Queers Against Israeli 'Apartheid' and Queers Against Left Wing Idiots Who Endanger Our Community, or better yet, when they have the presence of mind to tell QuAIA to stop damaging our community. There is no 'going home again' and there is nothing more Pride or CAP or MCC have to offer in any meaningful way. How ironic that the 'free speech' advocates who are party to harassing and intimidating Jews and embarrassing and impoverishing our LGBT community are now telling Jews to 'be polite or risk changing the outcome'. We know your QuAIA scum and the naive Pride Coalition For Free Speech are here to stay, and we're lucky to be free enough not to need to bother with you anymore. You deal with it.
Go Joe Go!, Toronto ON
04/10/11 9:18 AM EST
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Craaay-zy!
Wow, great story! Just a question Andrea, why no comment from Sue-Ann? I didn't see it mentioned in the story that Extra! tried to contact her. It is very thorough in every other respect.
Emina, Toronto ON
04/10/11 11:53 AM EST
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left wingers have taken over???
Jim complains that left wingers have taken over Toronto's gay institutions. The right wing have been far too busy attacking LGBT people to ever establish any sort of institution to help LGBT Torontonians. I can't think of a single advancement in LGBT equality that was the result of right wing activism. I'll never understand why some right wing LGBT folks get in bed with those like the Harper Cons who tried to repeal the equal marriage law, just because they failed to do so doesn't excuse the fact that they tried, and Harper's tolerance of Baird means little when there's a significant subsection of his party that wants to see gay and lesbian sex recriminalized. The current batch of right wingers in Canada today are far more socially conservative than the conservatives of the PC party that we grew up with, yet it seems that increasing numbers of LGBT people are willing to get into bed with the anti-LGBT bigots. The left wing, and only the left wing has been supportive of LGBT equality in Canada, its been the left wing that organized and operated the gay institutions that work for the benefit of LGBT people in Toronto and across Canada. Its been the left wing that has fought for and achieved legal equality for LGBT Canadians while the right wing opposed them at every turn. Jim you need to learn a little history, just because some on the right have accepted that because of our Charter they cannot undue the gains made LGBT Canadians does not mean they had anything to do with establishing the legal equality we have today. The left hasn't taken over any gay institution, they were the only ones involved in them right from the beginning so how could they take them over? Statements like that make it obvious to me we need a LGBT history month in Canada. Yes some left wingers have been anti-LGBT but if it weren't for the left wing in Canada and the activism of left wing LGBT folks we wouldn't have the legal equality we enjoy today or any LGBT institutions at all.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
04/10/11 7:56 PM EST
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Political Diversity within LGBT institutions
My experience in LGBT institutions differs somewhat from Rich's. I have been fortunate to participate in LGBT institutions with a diversity of political perspectives - left, centre and right. We have come together with different perspectives towards common goals. The organizations I refer to include the Black Coalition for AIDS Prevention, the Out On Bay St. Business Conference & Career Fair, The 519 Church St. Community Centre, and of course the Community Advisory Panel to Pride Toronto. I recognize though that different organizations have different perspectives and organizational cultures.
Michael Went, Toronto Ontario
04/10/11 10:09 PM EST
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Will the real Michael Went please stand up
Mr. Went we know your agenda is Pride Toronto and only Pride Toronto and no other queer festival. I think it would be fair to say your behind the campaign on Facebook Proud of Toronto aka Proud of Pride Toronto, which hasn't garnered a lot of interest. Yes you should be applauded for your community work Michael. Question here today Michael is; Where do you stand on QuAIA marching the 2011 Pride Parade and should Levy be censored? Over to you Michael, and no Bay St. jargon or double speak.
Michel, Toronto ON
04/11/11 2:07 AM EST
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not doubting that
Yes Michael, of course LGBT people come in all political stripes, I'm not doubting that for a second. But name me one single right wing organization that has done anything effectual to advance LGBT equality over the last 30-40 years let alone recently. I know there are gay groups in the Catholic church just as there are in evangelical churches too but they've done nothing for LGBT rights just like having Baird or other LGBT politicians in right wing parties have done nothing to stop them from trying to take away our right to equal marriage, just because they failed doesn't make them friends of the LGBT communities. Its only been left wing groups, unions, the NDP, and the Liberals even who have done anything positive for LGBT people. Who fought against including equality for trans folks in our HR act? Who fought against equal marriage? Who is fighting against GSAs in Catholic schools? Who successfully campaigned against a progressive sex ed curriculum that included LGBT people for the first time ever? And these are just issues of recent times, not something that happened before so many LGBT folks today were even born. In case you have any doubts it was the right wing in all those cases who opposed our LGBT communities. The PC party and their brand of financial conservatism mixed with social liberalism is long gone and has been replaced by a party whose core members are social conservatives, a group of whom is even today working towards getting sex between members of the same sex outlawed once again in Canada. Just because they don't stand a chance of succeeding doesn't make them friends of the LGBT communities. Yes LGBT people come in all political stripes, but that doesn't mean there's ever been a right wing group working for the benefit of our LGBT communities. If I'm wrong name the group(s), not just groups that have financial conservative members but actual groups based on right wing ideologies like all the LGBT groups that are based on left wing ideologies.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
04/11/11 2:07 AM EST
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Confused
Rich, your problem is that you confuse being gay with gay politics. They are not the same. You also have problems distinguishing between the left and the far left. The people behind this fiasco are not NDPers. They are G20 extremists. The gay community is a broad church. It is enraging how anti-semitic leftist activists have taken over gay institutions and pretend to speak in our name.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
04/11/11 3:30 AM EST
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SUE-ANN LEVY + ELLE FLANDERS to WRESTLE at PRIDE
Sue-Ann Levy and Elle Flanders are both Lesbians and both Jewish. Now they are both caricatures of themselves, because they both have a desperate need to be in the public eye as some hero for their cause. And they have both done it in a very clumsy vociferous way. I have the best idea... WHY NOT HAVE A JEWISH LESBIAN WRESTLE-MANIA EVENT AT PRIDE? SUE-ANN LEVY and ELLE FLANDERS SHOULD WRESTLE IN A PUBLIC MATCH AT PRIDE. That would at least be entertaining :-) Whoever wins would have the right to march in the Pride Parade and carry whatever banner, with which they have a desperate need to call attention to themselves. The loser will eat only matzah for a year. The dry mouth will shut her up. Otherwise, let the Rabbinical scholars sort out this tiresome issue for them, because most of us, Jewish and otherwise, have had enough of it !!!
Charles, Toronto Ont.
04/11/11 7:14 AM EST
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QuAIA's 'Useful Judiots'
First, we've traced the likely 'leak' of this e-mail to Xtra's Andrea Houston from self-serving deluded Jewish stooges who think they're building their queer activist credentials this way. We know who you are, and don't make us embarrass you again. Second, Elle Flanders and QuAIA are what we now call "The Useful Judiots' - Judah Iscariots used as spokesjews by anti-semites who despise them nonetheless. I'd give the wrestling match to Sue Ann Levy - she has more courage and is much more physically fit than the ubiquitious whining Flanders and her harassing bullyboys, whom we hope the Mossad will catch soon in their studies of radical left Israelbashers when she visits the PA again with her Palestinian wife.. Michael Went seems to be Brent Hawkes' Bum Boy, and while Andrea Houston claims CJC is endorsing this process, my guess is not for long. You ignorant lefties love to claim 'my Jewish friend eats pork so it must be kosher and representative of Jews' or 'my Jewish friend keeps company with Nazis and QuAIA so they must be okay', but if you think we're buying this crap and playing along anymore, there must be some nice swampland in Florida that Rev. Brent and his QuAIA pals and Reena Katz can sell you, but not us. Ciao.
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