Jewish leader says Mammoliti went too far in quest to cut Pride funding
TORONTO NEWS / Ward 7 councillor wants political messaging out of all funded arts and culture
Andrea Houston / Toronto / Saturday, July 09, 2011
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While Toronto Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti steamrolls ahead in his mission to axe Pride Toronto (PT) funding in the name of protecting the Jewish community from hate speech, Jewish leaders are taking a big step back.

“He just doesn’t get it,” says Bernie Farber, who has taken a leave of absence from the Canadian Jewish Congress (CJC) to run in the upcoming provincial election.


Farber says the CJC’s position is clear: the case against Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) and Pride Toronto is closed.

“When all this started with QuAIA, the focus was always on the Pride parade,” he says. “There was no overt action taken by QuAIA at the parade this year.
.. Look, it’s time to move on. The commitments that were made were carried out.”

During Pride weekend, Mammoliti took his video camera to the July 2 Dyke March in a stated effort to capture marchers “using hate speech against Israel.” In his 17-minute video, one suspect sign reads, “Standing with queers in Palestine.” For Mammoliti, it’s the same political message.
Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti at the Dyke March, July 2.
(Jonathan Goldsbie)


“We should all be standing in solidarity with queers in Palestine because they don’t have a great life there,” Farber says. “We should be speaking out on their behalf. Mr Mammoliti is confused. Most of us kind of get this. It was always about the parade, and the parade went off without a hitch.”

Councillors Kristyn Wong-Tam and Shelley Carroll tell Xtra they expect Mammoliti to make a motion at the next council meeting on July 12. He would require a two-thirds majority to win a vote on that day. Wong-Tam says it's not about winning for Mammoliti, it’s about grandstanding. “He’ll walk it on the floor. Even if he knows he won’t win, he’ll still do it just to stand up and make a point,” she says.

Carroll says Mammoliti has until noon on the 12th to add a motion to the agenda. “It can be sent to executive committee, but it just keeps this whole thing afloat. I know the mayor would like this whole thing to just go away at this point, so it will be interesting to see what they do with it.”

Farber says he “rejects any motion by Mr Mammoliti” and hopes other Jewish leaders do likewise.

“[Mammoliti] is on record as someone who is uncomfortable with the gay community,” Carroll says. “It’s becoming clear to people. People are saying, ‘Wait a second, it is not fashionable anymore to express resistance to the need to even have a Pride.’ It is not okay to ask, ‘Why isn’t there a Straight Day?’ Someone would always make that smart-alecky remark, often Mammoliti himself.”

Wong-Tam was one of the first to speak to Mammoliti at the Dyke March after spotting him near the park. When she asked what he was up to, he told her he was “documenting hate speech.” Wong-Tam says there is something disturbing about a heterosexual man chasing around lesbians “in a stalking, cat-like manner.”

“The optics of what he did are just so weird and creepy,” she says. “He doesn’t have the political currency that he thinks he does. This is a man who has not been kind to the LGBT community. He has gone out of his way to slander us, and he continues to do so.”

An April city manager’s report capped a two-year saga in which some councillors claimed that the presence of a QuAIA contingent in the 2009 Pride parade breached the city’s anti-discrimination policy, rendering PT ineligible for city funding. The report is very clear, Wong-Tam says: PT was not in violation of the anti-discrimination policy. Still, QuAIA announced shortly after the report's release that the group would not enter a contingent in the 2011 parade. “Everyone has concluded Pride has not done anything wrong,” says Wong-Tam.

Long-time gay activist and QuAIA spokesperson Tim McCaskell says he is confident that the city will honour its financial commitment to PT this year, but he says the queer community should remain vigilant.

“Given that Mammoliti has made such a fool of himself, and knowing the loss of the funding would mean bankrupting the festival and the loss of World Pride in 2014, I don’t think council will do that,” he says. “But we can’t just wait and see. People should be contacting their city councillors now. Mammoliti seems to have lost it. He has lost a huge amount of credibility in council because of his antics."

PT co-chair Francisco Alvarez says Mammoliti has now changed the rules. It is no longer about the phrase Israel apartheid. Now he objects to any criticism of Israel, and by extension, any political messaging at all.

“It’s moved from being about Israeli apartheid to beyond that, to any criticism of Israel at all and any support for Palestinians. That’s completely new,” he says. “It doesn’t seem like Giorgio is doing this at the mayor’s request at all. [Mammoliti] seems to be the lone ranger on this one. It’s contributing to the impression that city hall is looking for any excuse to defund Pride.”

Deputy Mayor Doug Holyday told the Toronto Star that he wants a city policy that would prevent public dollars being spent on any political messages. Artistic grant recipients — paid out of the same city fund as Pride — would also be scrutinized under the plan. But Holiday tells Xtra he’ll make his decision after hearing what Mammoliti has to say.

“I suspect whatever he has to say will not be enough to disrupt granting the money," he says. "I don’t think it will be defunded.”

“We shouldn’t be funding any political messaging at all,” Mammoliti told the Star. “I think that we have to reevaluate and reconsider everything we do with taxpayers' dollars, which yes,” also applies to the arts community.

Holyday sounds unsure of what Mammoliti means.

“I don’t know you can do a thing like that," he says. "You have to deal with situations as they come up. I am against putting tax dollars into someone’s political protest. People can protest all they want, but not with our money.”

Wong-Tam says Mammoliti’s suggestion is ridiculous. To remove political messages from art and culture is tantamount to removing inspiration itself, she says. “This says to me there’s a real lack of understanding of what arts and culture really is about. By nature many artistic endeavours are inspired by political movements.”

More than $43 million is invested each year by the city into the Community Partnership and Investment Program, funding festivals and community projects like Pride, Caribana and Nuit Blanche. And each festival is required to honour the city’s anti-discrimination policy.

A change to the policy blocking politics in any city-funded artistic or cultural endeavour would affect everyone, not just PT.
Dyke March 2011.
(Marcus McCann)


Wong-Tam points out that it’s not city council’s job to judge art and culture.

“[Mammoliti] is taking this to a much broader, city-wide scale,” she says. “We would be the laughing stock of the world if we put forward any type of motion that says art and cultural events must be non-political. So then, they become purely commercial entities, just selling us soda or cars or clothing?”

What would happen if the city pulls funding from arts and culture? “They would all collapse,” she says.

Carroll agrees. “People are saying, ‘That sounds like McCarthyism. I’m not in with that. Count me out.’”

That’s why Alvarez says that PT will likely get the grant for this year, sooner rather than later, because the fiscal year ends July 31. But the bigger problem, he says, is next year. “It will be open season on all arts and culture funding.”

“Everything is going to get cut,” he says. “That way they can say no single group is being singled out… culture is always very vulnerable at a time when governments are trying to save money. Some people believe it’s not as essential as ambulance service, for example.”

Pride is in a tight financial spot right now. Losing the $123,807 cultural grant from the city would be a blow, but losing the $250,000 of in-kind services, such as garbage and policing, could be disasterous for the festival. And that's not all: “What I’m really concerned about is our provincial grant; that’s $400,000 in cash from a government that doesn’t look like it will get rerelected," Alvarez says.

If PT is forced into bankrupcy, something new will likely rise from the ashes. But Wong-Tam says rebuilding an organization from scratch is never easy.

“It has taken 31 years for Pride to become what it is today, and with a push of a button, council can reverse all of that,” she says. “That would be a real shame on council… it’s easier to defund something if you don’t show up to it. You can always attack something when you don’t participate.”

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Reader Comments


 
Mammoliti's - SHAME!
You are fucking right! I have contacted my city counsellor who advised me to contact the Toronto Integrity commission- which I have. We will be talking on Monday. I am disgusted on what he has done. He has taken us back 30 years. I want him to leave us alone. I cannot believe that he went PRIDE and was filing the Dyke march. Its clearly unbelievable. Contact the Integrity commons and do it now. I have created FB page. http://www.facebook.com/groups/215749541801148 :
matt, toronto on
07/09/11 7:43 PM EST
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Cause and effect
I don't think anyone can turn off what QuAIA has started. When you create conflict in a community, there are consequences. If QuAIA wants to keep causing conflict, the consequences will continue.
Phil, Toronto Ontario
07/09/11 9:20 PM EST
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Bernie is an idiot
Bernie wasn't at the parade why he would dare venture to comment on an event he did not attend is a mystery to normal individuals. I direct you to two video's We're Sexy We're Hot QuAIA Lies A Lot! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgp4lrZsX1s Suicide Pride http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RouqfXKziAs These more than make Mammoliti's case.
Blazingcatfur, Ti=oronto Ontario
07/09/11 9:28 PM EST
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Farber no LGBT Ally
Why is Farber's email to the anti-gay rabbi not mentioned? In it Farber admits he only marched at Pride to oppose Quaia. This is kind of relevant. No? And why didn't Xtra ask Farber if he feels any responsibility for creating the MammoMonster? He's taken a leave to "run in the upcoming provincial election"? For which party? Also, effective July 1, "Canadian Jewish Congress" doesn't exist. It's now "Canadian Council for Israel and Jewish Advocacy (CIJA)." Does Xtra have an editor, or what?
Farber no LGBT Ally, Toronto Ontario
07/09/11 10:02 PM EST
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Re: Suicide Parade
Are you for real? Calling what happened the parade anywhere near "suicide" is absolutely ridiculous. Why the hell does anyone care if this group wants to criticize Israel? Who cares if they are right or wrong! Who cares if they are there or not! Get over it and find something else to do other than record parades so you can catch a handful of people chanting some stupid phrase and then claim because of those few people we should cut funding to one of Toronto's most massive events. There are dissenting voice at every city/government funded event. Hope QuAIA doesn't go to Caribana and start chanting... we better record that! Then we can cut their funding as well!
James, Toronto Ontario
07/09/11 10:03 PM EST
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Pride Toronto lied
Withold 2011 Funding of Pride Toronto Petition www.petitiononline.com
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/09/11 11:17 PM EST
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Meir Weinstein
Meir Weinstein: you're a homophobe.
Hitler hated fags too, Toronto Ontario
07/09/11 11:25 PM EST
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Pride Toronto LIED
Bernie Farber is speaking as a politician now. Pride Toronto should not be given city funding.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/09/11 11:49 PM EST
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Who is the idiot now?
"Blazingcatfur" what kind of name is that? And actually I saw Farber in the parade marching with the Liberal contingent. One must be careful when calling people idiots.
Jim Hayes, Brampton Ontario
07/10/11 12:02 AM EST
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Make Mammoliti sweat!
Want to put pressure on Mammoliti? Put the spotlight on this issue: "Giorgio Mammoliti's campaign spent more than $17,000 on fundraising expenses that aren't explained in detail in his election filings." Read more here: http://torontoist.com/2011/06/activists_call_for_campaign_audits_of_four_councillors.php Exceeding campaign spending limits is serious business.
Alvin B., Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 2:15 AM EST
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Shouting people down is not right
Shouting people down and not allowing people their Freedom of Speech does not make you “right.” Our Charter of Rights allows for Freedom of Speech and Expression. University dykes who shout people down and don't allow people to speak, are just aggressive gutter rats of the worst kind. They are just Fascists who should be brought down by the law and incarcerated for violent behaviour. Some of them should not be allowed to continue living in their present form. (allegedly) They need to be rehabilitated with therapy or hormones or beatings.(Allegedly) Maybe they may learn civility in their next life...Or the life after...We don't have time to wait...
Freedom-of-Speech, Toronto Ont
07/10/11 3:39 AM EST
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Pull funding against hate speech
The city will have no choice but to pull the funding from pride. Nobody is going to be participating in pride much this year or in the years to come since the anarchist terrorist nazi QUAIA group refuses to leave. I cannot understand why these anti semitic nazi groups dont petition the Syrian consolate? Either way, Ford will lose support if funding isnt pulled, this will be bad for him. We can replace Gay pride with Canada pride, welcoming back our troops.
hilary, toronto ontario
07/10/11 9:40 AM EST
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Farber is gay-positive
You simply have to love those who try to put down gay-positive people. I have not always agreed with Bernie Farber especially when he has been critical of QuAIA. While Farber makes his usual cogent arguments against anti-Israel groups I tend to lean more towards freeing up speech than trying to stifle it no matter how crass. But trying to suggest that Farber is not a friend of the gay community is simply stupid. I can only guess these people have other reasons for making such ridiculous comments.
Alf Handwell, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 9:42 AM EST
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QUAIA can split anything
Quaia has split the gay community, the Jewish community, and now city council. They probably won't stop until we lose World Pride. Face it: hate has more imagination than love.
Charels, Toronto ONtario
07/10/11 1:53 PM EST
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Mr Farber and QuAIA
Mr Farber does not speak for me. There should be no subsidized hate speech -- which is what QuAIA and IA-- is from government or corporations. There is no place for such discrimination, hatred and anti-country speech (targetting both straights and gays in Israel, left wingers and right wingers alike) in publicly funded public venues like civic parades, cinemas and sports events-- all attack venues of choice by IA because of weak oversight. See stopsponsoringhatred.com Mr Farber pathetically and notoriously concurred with allowed IA Week hate speech at U of T and wants to follow the same policy now at Pride Parade.
David Nitkin, Toronto ON
07/10/11 2:24 PM EST
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Pride Toronto must apologize
Pride Toronto must apologize to the Jewish Community. They have allowed a hate group to use their offices and to promote hate at their events. Pride Toronto people are on video assisting the hate group. There seems to be a thin line between 'Socialism and National Socialism'.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 4:36 PM EST
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Ironic
The irony of one historically oppressed group, (the Jews) trying to suppress another historically oppressed group, (the LGBT community) because of the actions of a very small group, would be delicious, if it weren't so sad. Somewhere the KKK and other white supremacist groups must be dancing for joy.
DK, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 4:54 PM EST
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Pride Toronto must apologize
The perception is that the leadership of Pride Toronto is from the extreme socialist gang. They are the people that have allowed this hate to spread against the Jewish community. Therefore, they must issue an apology. The fact that they have not issued an apology speaks volumes.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 5:48 PM EST
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Ironic
How sad and ironic that one persecuted minority group (gays) would trash another persecuted minority group (Jews), when they know from experience that hateful words turn into bashing.
Carol, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 5:52 PM EST
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Greater irony
DK, the greater irony is that so many Queer activists are willing to support QuAIA's campaign against gay-friendly Israel in support of homophobic Muslim governments like the Hamas government in Gaza. When Queer activists want to do so at Pride, something is really wrong.
Phil, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 5:53 PM EST
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Stirring the pot
The anti Israel groups knew full well that their participation would bring irreparable harm to our gay community. They cared more about a regional conflict than they did about any gay issue, or about us. How sad that so many encouraged them.
Carol, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 6:12 PM EST
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re: Pride Toronto must apologize
How ironic for Meir Weinstein to call QuAIA a hate group and to attack Pride for not stopping them when he himself has modeled his organization after JDL USA, an actual hate group, in the same league as the KKK and Stormfront, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center which monitors hate groups in the US, and which is a terrorist organization according to the FBI, in fact at one point the JDL USA was the 3rd most active terrorist group in the US. Now Meir has the nerve to call QuAIA and other pro-Palestinian groups hate groups and accuses them of links to terrorist organizations, neither of which is true. But what is true is that Meir's group is linked to actual real hate groups and has an actual connection to a terrorist group unlike QuAIA or other LGBTQ pro-Palestinian groups. As well Meir's group JGL Canada was shouting homophobic/ anti-LGBTQ slogans while protesting against Pride just recently. Meir you have some nerve to come here and demand an apology from Pride not only considering your own close ties to actual hate groups and a terrorist organization but your own groups blatant homophobia/anti-LGBTQ bigotry. Just because you call QuAIA and other LGBTQ pro-Palestinian groups hate groups doesn't make it true, impartial city officials investigated them and found them not to be at all, besides which its obvious to any who actually look at their messaging that they are indeed human rights groups who support the human rights of all people and are opposed to any group, such as Hamas or the Israeli and other mid-east gov'ts that would deny human rights to all people. Meir your group's actions are denounced by every major Jewish group in Canada and its not because they're anti-semitic but because of their disgust at your group's actions. You have some nerve to demand an apology after the anti-LGBTQ bigotry spouted by your group at your recent protest and the attempts to incite violence and intimidate others by your "thugs" at last year's 2010 Pride.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 7:33 PM EST
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re: Pride Toronto must apologize pt2
Meir its your own group, JDL Canada, that has direct connections to actual real hate groups and a terrorist organization, not QuAIA or any other LGBTQ pro-Palestinian group. Their records are clean unlike yours and they associate with only other human rights groups including LGBTQ groups in the occupied Palestinian territories and other human rights groups within Israel also fighting against the unjust Israeli policies that deny the human rights of Palestinians. They have never supported Hamas or any other organization or group that would deny human rights to anyone, can JDL Canada say the same thing? Obviously not if one bothers to even a casual glance at your history and connections to actual hate groups and a terrorist organization. Meir you could learn a lot from such LGBTQ groups but first how about getting rid of the homophobic/anti-LGBTQ bigotry in your own group?
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 7:40 PM EST
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Pride Toronto lied
Rich, can't you admit the truth about Pride Toronto?
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 7:56 PM EST
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Pride Toronto must apologize
Rich, JDL Canada has wide support in the Jewish Community. And the anti Israel hate group does support Hamas.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 8:04 PM EST
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@ Meir Weinstein
Hi Meir...so is the JDL still supporting the English Defence League? Kindly update us on whether or not the FBI still regards the US branch of the JDL as a far right terrorist group, and whether or not the Southern Poverty Law Centre still regards them as a hate group.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 8:22 PM EST
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Pride Toronto LIED
PRIDE TORONTO LIED.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 8:32 PM EST
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where's the evidence
Meir where is the evidence that QuAIA or any other LGBTQ pro-Palestinian group supports Hamas? It isn't on their website where they state "Queer Palestinians do face violence and discrimination and it is unacceptable. We oppose homophobia in Palestine, but we oppose it everywhere because it exists everywhere, even here" and where they state their support for the human rights of all people "We support any solution in which all citizens — Jewish, Arab, Christian, Muslim, or otherwise — have full legal and political equality in a secular democracy". Where do you get the idea that they support Hamas or any other gov't that denies human rights to its citizens or peoples under any gov't's control from such statements? Yes I know its been alleged that one of the human rights groups they work with, I forget whether they were located in Israel or the Palestinian occupied territories, anyways this group QuAIA works with was "accused" of attending a conference that a couple members of Hamas also attended but so did many hundreds of other people not affiliated with Hamas in any way. Besides the fact that being in the same location as a couple members of Hamas hardly means that group supports Hamas the fact is that human rights group wasn't QuAIA even if they do work with QuAIA in trying to help Palestinian LGBTQ people. Where is your evidence that QuAIA supports Hamas or any other group that denies people their human rights? Simply saying the same lie over and over again doesn't make it true Meir but it does make it propaganda.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 10:22 PM EST
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Wedge Politics
Hate to burst your bubble Meir Weinstein , but Councilor Giorgio Mammoliti nor your buddy Fordo doesn’t give two shits about the Jewish Community. He’s only using you to get to us, by thumping up this b.s. charge about Pride Toronto promoting hate. In other words, playing wedge politics by saying that the Pride Toronto promotes Anti-Semitism, when in reality to mask his own homophobic agenda. First of all I don’t know why the hell he was allowed to show up video taping the Dyke March. Isn’t he violating these women rights to privacy? Where was the marshals there to tell him to leave? In the past Dyke march marshals were on the lookout for such actions to prevent women who marched from being ogled by straight men. If I was a marshal I would have stepped in front of his camera or better yet bunch of guys with water guns and drenched his two tone ass!! While many of us in the Queer Community don’t necessary support QuIAP, we support Freedom of Speech. By this very debate we are made to being painted as racist because we support Pride Toronto right to get funding, which is bogus! In fact QuIAP didn’t participate nor is there any evidence of collusion between the two groups. All they did is hung a banner outside a subway station. Big Deal!!! While from my understanding another Isreali group had a float promoting Isreal. Should they be banned too? No. Let me remind you, Meir, there something that the Jewish and Queer Community share in common: we all support the right of freedom of speech. Something that many people from all parties fought for during WW II against a fascist Nazi State who thought otherwise. They went out of their way to burn books, censored the media, and round up not only Jews, Queers, Catholics ..etc. anyone who disagreed with their view of the world. It’s why Freedom of Speech is so precious in a free and democratic society such as Canada to promote debate, knowledge, and understanding. By you supporting Councilor Mammoliti bid to cancel P
James D. Boy, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 10:30 PM EST
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Wedge Poltics Prt2
By you supporting Councilor Mammoliti bid to cancel Pride’s funding, you also put your own group JDL under scrutiny. After all didn’t your group demonstrated outside of Pride headquarters, on city property and shouted homophobic slogans that many of us find offensive? In fact, a case can be made against JDL for promoting homophobia during that demonstration on Pride offices. After all, many communities also don’t like the JDL being active here and do in fact view your organization as “terrorist.” If that does happen, and you are ever brought up on charges of also promoting hate speech will your allies Mammoliti or Fordo support you? No. I don’t think so. This is why you are alone on your quest, and your allies are wise to back away from this issue. Cause they see right through Mammoititi’s charade: to destroy Pride based on a covert homophobic agenda and they want no part of it. Why? Cause it will only serve to drive a wedge between both communities and it’s something nether community really wants. I suggest you do the same.
James D. Boy, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 10:37 PM EST
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Pride Toronto LIED
Pride Toronto lied. And I would expect after such a heated City Council Meeting that Pride Week would be monitored. And that should be viewed as a positive act.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 10:44 PM EST
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THE PINK FLU EPIDEMIC IS COMING
Gay people are no longer what was once believed the 10% club. Mammoliti, Ford and Weinstein need to look around. You are about to cross the line with your continued GAY BASHING. You are about to let hundreds of thousands of cats out of the bag and you know what that means. Almost every group in the City has a political agenda of one sort or another and Council and the homophobics sit around quietly until it is a GAY issue. Gay Pride is a "visible minority" of Gay people who are "out". including thousands of straight friends, family of gay people and a large number of "tourists" and other who just enjoy the festival. Millions of dollars are spent in this city which goes to City Council pay cheques and Weinstein's pocket no doubt (check it for PINK bills). A small amount to offset the PRIDE Festival is nothing if the City spent tax dollars more wisely. Look around your offices ("people in high places too") places you visit on a daily basis, restaurants, theater, bars, clubs, celebrities, Politicians, Police, EMS, Fire, TTC and every other walk of life. If all the "closeted" Gay People (because of people like you), lesbian, bi, trans, all RACES and RELIGIONS, and supporters of gay people didn't come to work for just one day the entire City of Toronto, businesses and others would suffer great financial losses. Your continued GAY BASHING (that is what it is) lack of support (Ford), just might lead to A PINK (RAINBOW) FLU EPIDEMIC. Then you will truly see what PINK POWER really is. Clean up your ACT and stop with the "GAY BASHING" There are professionals who can help you before you do "yourself" any further harm.
PINK FLU EPIDEMIC, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 11:50 PM EST
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Pride Toronto didn't lie
Meir as you know, or should know, what Pride Toronto did do was promise to remove QuAIA from any official Pride event that it wasn't registered in. QuAIA didn't register to participate in any official Pride events and didn't participate in any official Pride events. So how exactly did Pride Toronto lie? Yes another small group called Dykes and Trans for Palestine did march in this years Dyke March, they were not QuAIA however nor sanctioned by QuAIA who asked other groups not to use the term Israeli apartheid to deny the anti-LGBTQ types like Mammoliti that excuse to de-fund Pride in spite of them not violating the city's anti-discrimination code. However discriminating against anyone or any group because of their political beliefs is a violation of the city's anti-discrimination code and if city council de-funds Pride because of the political beliefs of a few at the Dyke March this year they would be in violation of our city's anti-discrimination code. Meir why doesn't the JDL expend half as much energy going after actual anti-Jewish bigots like the neo-nazis as you do HR groups critical of Israeli policies? Thanks to the efforts of many LGBTQ people, some who were members of Anti-Racist Action (ARA) and some who are now current members of QuAIA the neo-nazis were largely run out of Toronto many years back. Funny I don't recall the JDL joining in that fight against actual neo-nazis, too busy with critics of Israeli policies I guess to bother fighting neo-nazis in Toronto, but don't worry, LGBTQ people, including some current members of QuAIA drove the neo-nazis out of Toronto. You're welcome. They've mostly moved to Calgary, where again the ARA, which is mainly LGBTQ, is fighting against them there too but not the JDL, still too busy attacking HR groups critical of Israeli policies to bother with neo-nazis I guess, maybe the JDL is too afraid of neo-nazis so hide behind the LGBTQ folks who are in the front lines fighting against neo-nazis in Calgary. Who knows?
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/10/11 11:51 PM EST
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Pride Toronto must issue an apology
Pride Toronto must issue an apology to the Jewish community now. Rich, are you kidding? My picture is in Warren Kinsella's book confronting the leader of the Aryian Nations in Alberta. They pointed a loaded gun at me and I did not back down. Also, it was my evidence that started the whole Zundel trial. I have gone the distance against the Nazis.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 12:12 AM EST
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re: Meir
If that's the case Meir then why did you stop fighting against neo-nazis? It was mainly LGBTQ people involved in such groups as ARA, some of whom are current members of QuAIA who were largely responsible for driving the neo-nazis out of Toronto. If the JDL was involved in that fight they were very invisible. So my question to you is why do you today focus on human rights groups who are critical of Israeli policies instead of the actual threat to Jews, LGBTQ people and other minorities in Canada from the neo-nazis? You say you once did fight back against neo-nazis, why did you stop? Its a fight that these days at least is largely led by LGBTQ people. As well why are you avoiding responding to Know1's questions for you? You make claims about QuAIA being a hate group, which its been proven not to be, and supporting terrorists, which was a BS claim based on no evidence whatsoever, but you refuse to respond to questions about your very close association with proven actual hate groups and a FBI designated terrorist organization. Why are you so silent on those issues? Again why have you stopped fighting against the neo-nazis and left it to mostly LGBTQ people to do all the work battling them?
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 12:51 AM EST
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Meir has no credibility until he answers the quest
One more time Meir - does the JDL still support the EDL? You have no credibility here until you answer the question.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 2:56 AM EST
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Free Speech and QAIA
The justification for QAIA appears to be based on the idea of free speech. Accuracy not required. Other arguments not accepted. Well guys and gals if you can justify this by saying that everyone's opinion counts then that means anti gay statements should be just as acceptable, In other words whats good for the gay goose should be just as good for the straight gander. I have a few opinions about homosexuality that I would like to get off my chest. how about it.
Alyn, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 6:53 AM EST
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GOOD RIDDANCE
PRIDE SUCKS. GAYS SUCK HARDER.
SHUT DOWN PRIDE, TORONTO ONT
07/11/11 9:23 AM EST
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What Kinsella say about the JDL
Meir...while we are on the topic of what Warren Kinsella thinks of the JDL, I note that he calls the JDL's association with the EDL an "unholy alliance". How about answering us on whether or not the JDL still supports the EDL?
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 9:43 AM EST
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Down with the Jews
I like this magazine because it focuses on hating the Jews. They are a bunch of trouble makers. I'm glad the gay community hates jews too. Thanks XTRA!
Gay Nazi, Toronto Ont
07/11/11 10:51 AM EST
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JDL on the fringe of Toronto Jewish community
I write as a Jew who lives here in Toronto, have for many years. First of all, I am very much part of the Jewish mainstream. I donate generously to the United Jewish Appeal, attend synagogue as I am able and follow Canadian Jewish events. I have many friends both in the Jewish community and elsewhere. In other words an average Jewish Canadian. Other than on the very fringes of Toronto's Jewish community I can tell you that the JDL has virtually no credibility.They are for the most part seen as thugs. Following their alliances with the English defense league and following the decision by Canadian Jewish Congress to speak out against this alliance even many on the fringe began to distance themselves. So please don't let anyone here think that the JDL has any pull with mainstream Jews, it doesn't. I was pleased to read that Len Rudner of the CJC had supported Pride by making a public statement that the Pride parade was hate-free and Mr. Farber's words in this article back that up. This issue should be put to bed. As anyone now reading the comments can see it is only bringing out the hatemongers and homophobes. No one supports Giorgio Mammolitti. Let it be.
Jack Kantor, Unionville Ont
07/11/11 12:14 PM EST
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Thank you Jack Kantor
Thank you for weighing in, Jack. The JDL and other provocatuers have been swarming Xtra's discussion threads and attempting to portray themselves as speaking for the mainstream Jewish community. In my experience they do not. Their only interests are to provoke anti-gay bigotry, and to promote divisions between the LGBT and Jewish communities over this trumped issue with QuAIA. Their agenda is transparent to most of us, and their tactics are pathetic and beneath contempt. When Meir Weinstein is confronted with his own dirty laundry, his only response is silence.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 12:28 PM EST
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Jack Kantor and Know1 can blow each others flacid
dicks all they want. Pride has been highjacked by anti-Israel and ultimately anti-Jewish 'activists'. It shouldn't be funded with taxpayers money. Raise your own funds to support your wankfest.
Knowitall, Toronto Ont
07/11/11 1:04 PM EST
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@ Knowitall
Kindly re-read the article. Your comprehension skills are lacking. Prominent members of the Jewish community, such as Mr. Farber and Mr. Rudner, are clearly saying that there is no cause for claiming hate speech in the Pride parade. Simply asserting otherwise over and over again without evidence merely demonstrates that you are a troll with no interest in real discussion. Now move along. Surely you trolls have something better to do? How about fixing up your mother's basement where you live?
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 1:16 PM EST
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Good luck contacting the City...
have done everything I can to get the message across that what this member did is WRONG> The problem is the city of Toronto does not want to hear it, deal with it, or correct it. The City own internal Intregity Commission- Good luck making a complaint- Endless VM and Emails. Its a total waste of your time. The city operates without any impunity. No wonder we have such issues. I officially give up trying.
matt, toronto ontario
07/11/11 1:36 PM EST
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There's no business like Jew business
Are all these Jew bashing articles increasing readership over here at Nazi Fag Magazine??
Jew Business, Toronto ON
07/11/11 3:52 PM EST
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QuAIA unleashed this vitriol
People have a hard time telling the difference between "gay" and "queer left". QuAIA (and its supporters amongst the queer left) started this mess by very publicly combining the word "Israel" and "apartheid". It was provocative, insulting to many, a little hateful. It was also quite unnecessary and has nothing to do with the gay community per se. You could have made your point without inciting the Jewish community. Quite a few gay people suggested from the beginning that this kind of provocation was inappropriate. Of course, they didn't listen. All we got was bleating over freedom of expression and how it wasn't anti-semitic. This mess is going to get uglier and uglier until it dominates everything relating to the Toronto gay community. It may even have a broader scope. I urge everyone involved to read the writing on the wall: suppress everything related to "QuAIA" and stay away from this issue. Don't use the gay community as a vehicle for your leftist political activism.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 7:01 PM EST
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QuAIA is over --stop fanning the flames
@ KNOW1 --you are a TROLL and a TURD. Your favourite word is TROLL, isn't it ;-) You go fix your mother's basement, where you probably live in a wheelchair --only your nose reaches to the bottom of your basement window. It is sad that XTRA is your only outlet in life. Ask your Mom to open the window --you're farting-up the place.
KNOW-NOT, Toronto Ont
07/11/11 7:17 PM EST
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know1 one
Know1 one, Your last comment about stereotyping Jewish peoples features , ppropoganda used by anti semites pre and during has been reported to the moderator. Lets see what xtra does.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/11/11 7:30 PM EST
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@ Jaime
Are you suggesting that I claimed that Jewish people look like a troll;? LOL. You are as dumb as you sound my friend. Look up the meaning of an Internet troll on Wikipedia. You and Know-not and the other members of your merry band will find you fit the description very well. Man, you are so in touch with your inner victim you are out of touch with reality.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/11/11 7:41 PM EST
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re: Jamie
Jamie I admit I didn't know what people meant when they called someone a troll online either until the last year or two. It has nothing to do with anyone's appearance btw. Here's a link to good definition of a troll, something there's plenty of on Xtra especially in any of the comment sections having anything at all to do with QuAIA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 Note especially the comments from "gay nazi" and "Jew Business" when reading the definitions of the different types of trolls. Most likely the real person behind the "gay nazi" moniker is Meir himself, and he's quite possibly the actual person behind the moniker "Jew Business" especially considering how he stopped responding after confronted repeatedly about his own group's close ties to actual verified hate groups and a FBI designated terrorist organization. Its usually best to just ignore trolls, in whatever form they take, since they're only out to make people upset or otherwise get a reaction by saying outrageous or slanderous things. However sometimes mocking trolls is fun too, just don't take them seriously.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 12:44 AM EST
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To Know or not to Know1 --preferably NOT
@Know1 --you are Rick from London. Your previous handle was “WTF” and “Farce-Sniffer” and “Wicked.” You flatter yourself with all these names or multiple personalities. Basically you are a just a TROLL and also a simple idiot. We're watching you and reading you and smelling you...and we would prefer not to...You have nothing intelligent to contribute. Keep talking to yourself --in your head...You have enough company in there to last a life-time. You don't need us and we certainly don't need you.
Troll-Sniffer -YUK!, Toronto Ont
07/12/11 1:00 AM EST
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Rich and Know1
Unless you both don't think I can read, or you your self can't, this is not about the word troll? It is about the defamatory comment about both disability, and the line about the facial feature...well known anti sematic association streotyping is a legal term in the human rights code as an abuse of human rights. Now please dont go off on stuff unrelated.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/12/11 1:06 AM EST
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re: Jim
Jim it may be true that some people get upset over the use of the term Israeli apartheid but not by support for Palestinians in general. However for an awful lot of people, including Mammoliti, simply expressing support for Palestinians is considered anti-semitic hate speech. Did you miss the part about Mammoliti claiming the sign "Standing with queers in Palestine" is anti-Israeli hate speech? As well as the sign which read "Free Palestine" which was considered hate speech not just by Mammoliti but by many others as well. Clearly simply expressing support for the Palestinian cause without even mentioning Israeli apartheid is so upsetting for some people that they consider it hate speech. Last year early on in the debates I once suggested that QuAIA should drop the Israeli apartheid part of their name figuring it shut too many people's ears to their message, someone at the time responded that it didn't matter since some people were going to shut their ears to any message in support of Palestinians, whether they're hetero or LGBT Palestinians at that. Considering the reactions to such signs like above that didn't even mention Israeli apartheid the person who responded to my comment last year was quite right. For some people expressing support for Palestinians in any wording is considered anti-semitic hate speech. That is the unfortunate reality, maybe fewer people would have been so upset but you know there still would have been just as much opposition to them if they were called Queers Against the Occupation or Queers for Palestine or some other more innocuous name. They'd still be accused of being an anti-semitic hate group and accused of supporting terrorists as we've seen from the reaction to signs at the Dyke March this year with no mention of Israeli apartheid but which Mammoliti still considers to be hate speech. Maybe fewer would've been up in arms but still there would've been the same attempts to censor them as we've seen from Mammoliti'
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 1:09 AM EST
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Oh, and Rich
Rich, it is ludicrous to suggest any Hate group in the States would associate themselves with the Jewish defense league. It is Jewish, and hate groups at their core hate gays, blacks Jews, and all other minorities. No matter what the research says, it lies and has people like you as their delivery boy.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/12/11 1:20 AM EST
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in that case Jamie...
...you really do need to re-read Know1's comments, I've re-read their comments twice now and can't find any reference in their comments to anyone's facial features or disabilities let alone anything "about stereotyping Jewish peoples features" like you claim. Talk about going off on stuff unrelated! Know1 questioned Knowitalls reading comprehension skills since they either didn't read or didn't comprehend the article and Know1 insinuated Knowitall is childish and still living in his mother's basement, both are very mild insults especially compared to the insults directed at Know1 and even myself. How is that in any way negative Jewish stereotyping? how does it have anything at all to do with Jewish people at all? Unless you, Jamie, are suggesting that having poor reading comprehension skills or living in your mother's basement are Jewish stereotypes, is that what you're claiming Jamie? Seriously? Yet you have no problem with the comments from "gay nazi" or "jew business". That's quite the statement Jamie. Next time try reading first, then commenting.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 1:31 AM EST
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Rich , you're a mess
Here is the quote. …“where you probably live in a wheelchair --only your nose reaches to the bottom of your basement window.” Stereotyping check with the human rights gode. Unwelcomed remarks amount to harrasement.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/12/11 1:41 AM EST
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@ Jaimie
No reasonable person could possibly construe any of my comments as anti-Semetic. If you believe otherwise kindly, provide a quote and a clear rationale. Come to think of it, I thought no reasoable person find anything anti-Semetic with the phrase, Israeli Apartheid. But here we are. LOL. Guess since I am still posting, Xtra does not see any merit to your silly misdirection.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 1:51 AM EST
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re: Jamie
Are you seriously claiming that Jewish people are incapable of hatred? Hatred is a human emotion and hate groups come in all sorts. What about the JDL embracing the EDL, a British "street army" that uses violence against British Muslims in an effort to drive them out of Britain, the JDL is proud of their association with the EDL which every other mainstream Jewish organization has condemned, check out the JDL's own website for more information on how highly they think of the EDL's random violence against British Muslims. As well the JDL USA itself is considered a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center who monitors hate groups in the US, and not just the neo-nazi ones but any hate group including anti-gay Christian ones. Here's the link to their listings by group, they're in alphabetical order http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups While there look up the definition of a hate group by those who study real actual hate groups. And yes the JDL USA is considered a terrorist organization by the FBI too, at one point it was the 3rd most active terrorist group in the US in spite of the JDL's claim not to support terrorism, look that one up for yourself, I'm going to bed soon. Granted the same accusations haven't been made against JDL Canada as have been proved against JDL USA but still Meir chose an official terrorist organization and a proven hate group to model his own JDL after. Didn't you find it odd he went silent when repeatedly questioned about his own group's links to actual hate groups and a terrorist organization? He never once denied it either. I'm about 99% certain that the poster "gay nazi" is in fact Meir himself trolling this comment section and would've reported it but think its pretty obviously Meir to those who know his group who has referred to gays as nazis in their online postings in the past. At least it does sound an awful lot like something Meir would write.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 1:52 AM EST
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Rich
Do you really think it was ever about the word apartheid alone. You have been told on numerous occassions that it is the messaging Behind the signage. I talked to the Pro Palestian s for free palestine , and they kept choosing to refer to Israel and its Goverment as Terrorists. When asked if they felt most of them were Jewish...they said Yes. Do you really think the Police would have offered at Least two Police officers to ride on each side of the Kulanu float, and them having paid security at their booth if the threats are not real. Ask the JCC at Spadina and Bloor... how manythreats of violence they receive each year. They had to post security along time ago. The Police escorts for Kulanu is that everyone knows that the Israeli flag is associated with Jews that support Israel.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/12/11 1:53 AM EST
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Rich the expert on human behaviour
Rich, hatred stems from both fear, and violence. Jewish people in Israel have a right to self defence.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/12/11 2:01 AM EST
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@ jamie
Please pay attention. The quote you object to is from some juvenile calling himself, KNOW-NOT. It is not me. In fact, he is attacking me.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 2:02 AM EST
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Know1 or Know not
It doesnt make a difference the comment was reported. If any other Jews or known Jews think that was a sterotyping reference please report to the moderator. It is Xtras job to contact the parties who have complained at say how the will take care of those remarks, or not? Not sure if there is a moderator at Xtra, but we'll find out.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/12/11 2:09 AM EST
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re; Rich , you're a mess
Jamie read the name below that comment again, I'll give you a hint, it was a comment attacking Know1 not by Know1. The only documented cases of violence at 2010 Pride was directed against members of QuAIA, one of whom had their head split open when someone threw a bottle at her. If Kulanu is at such great risk why didn't they need a police escort this year? I passed their booth on Church St, I think it was Kulanu, at least they had many Israeli flags, but not a cop in sight or any evidence of them having any problems at all. Its pretty bad when people are afraid of human rights activists who have never threatened anyone in any way. If there were people genuinely afraid for their safety in 2010 it had far more to do with Gladstone's propaganda film which was filled with lies and misrepresentations of reality, where he used video footage of what he claimed were QuAIA protests but which QuAIA had nothing whatsoever to do with. As well as his false claim that QuAIA people were wearing swastikas when in other photos it clearly showed a crossed out swastika, a well known anti-nazi symbol, I can see nazi symbols being unnerving but not anti-nazi symbols, and that person wasn't even a member of QuAIA just marching in their vicinity. QuAIA has not only never used hate speech it has never threatened anyone ever, any claims to the contrary are like Meir's post under the name "gay nazi" pure BS and nothing but. In 2010 there were threats of violence and attempts to incite violence and to intimidate others by the JDL but not by QuAIA.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 2:11 AM EST
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@ Jamie
I am open to receiving your apology. You might also apologize to Rich as well for calling him a "mess".
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 2:11 AM EST
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photos
Go to Kulanu website and check out the Police escorts for the Jewish Pro Israeli marchers. If the threat of the Israeli flag and its association with Jewish people do you really think the city would cover those marchers if the threat was not real?
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/12/11 2:25 AM EST
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Rich
Rich, you are such a drama queen! No ones head was split open in a violent attack last year. I can't find a police report? Stop making false claims.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/12/11 2:31 AM EST
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The end of Israeli Democracy
ARTICLE: Israel's boycott law: The quiet sound of going fascist. This is the one. This is where the slope turns nowhere but down. When the Knesset passed the boycott law, it changed the history of the state of Israel. Latest update 18:18 12.07.11 http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/israel-s-boycott-law-the-quiet-sound-of-going-fascist-1.372881
Israeli Democracy, Toronto Ont
07/12/11 3:18 PM EST
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Mud wrestling
This has turned into a mud wrestling battle. All I want to do as a straight Jew with friends in many different communities is thank Bernie Farber for his level-headedness and elegance. CJC's loss will hopefully be the Ontario legislature's gain
Maxine, Whitby Ont.
07/12/11 3:21 PM EST
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JDL supports the position of Martin Gladstone
JDL supports the position of Martin Gladstone.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 5:29 PM EST
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Does the DDL support the EDL
Does the JDL support the EDL? Again, you evade the question.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/12/11 6:04 PM EST
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know 1
Apparently Meir is Not a homophobe, as he supports Martin Gladstone. He also issued an apology for the behaviour of some associated with him at the Pride Toronto office that was picketed. Many people when associated with certain groups, cannot always sensor the people who support or claim affiliation with them. That's not Meir's fault. He has as much right to defend what he feels incites anti semetism as Elle flanders does to inform people about her protection of Palestians.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/13/11 11:08 AM EST
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@ Jamie and Meir
Meir has not answered my question and neither have you. I did not ask you or Meir who supports the JDL, I asked if the JDL supports the EDL? Presumably, Meir has influence over who his group associates with and supports.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/13/11 1:19 PM EST
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irrelevant
Know1, totally irrelevant. You commented on Meir being a homophobe that was the reply. If you want the answer connact those groups. As if you would trust what Meir would say.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/13/11 1:36 PM EST
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@ Jamie
Jamie - you have already established your inferior reading comprehension skills. Your latest comment looks like another case in point. Kindly provide a quote where I called Mr. Weinstein a homophobe. Secondly, are you now a spokesperson for the JDL? My question is entirely relevant to this discussion. To date, Meir has studiously avoided answering it. You should be asking yourself why? Mr. Weinstein, are you too chicken to answer my simple questions: Does the JDL still support the English Defence League? Does the FBI still regard the US branch of the JDL a far right terrorist group? Does the Southern Poverty Law Centre still list the US JDL as a hate group? Jamie - you and other pro-Israeli suppporters have repeatedly made unfounded accusations against anyone questioning Israeli policies as being anti-Semetic, supporting terrorists and promoting hate. I would simply like Meir and the JDL to acknowledge their own associations with racist, violent, terrorist and hate groups. After all, if the JDL (and you) are going to lecture the LGBTQ community on what is hate, I want to know whether or not you do so from a position of integrity. Jamie - choose your friends carefully. If you count the JDL as a friend - you have no credibility with most mainstream Jews, nor with anyone else respecting human rights, civility and the rule of law. How do I put this delicately? You cannot read and comprehend properly, and your comments to date show a remarkable confirmation bias and ideological blindness. In a word - I am not interested in further discussion with you - unless of course you can demonstrate that you are an official spokesperson for the JDL. Otherwise - my questions to Meir remain.
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/13/11 5:14 PM EST
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know1 one
blah, blah, blah You would not believe Mr. Meir Weinstein if he answered you. Call up the organizations in question yourself. Btw, Mr. weinstein is not in jail, and to my knowledge no lawsuits against him, can Quaia say the same. Gotta go, unlike you I have a life.
Jamie, Toronto On
07/13/11 5:55 PM EST
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my mistake
You're right Jamie I was mistaken about the bottle throwing incident where an anti-QuAIA type assaulted a QuAIA member with a bottle, it happened in 2009 not 2010 like I said. Check out http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Pride_Toronto_plans_to_censor_the_term_Queers_Against_Israeli_Apartheid-8653.aspx in particular the comments from Mark and Sav. Mark, an anti-QuAIA type talks about violence at Pride because of QuAIA where he mentions the bottle throwing incident, Sav corrects him pointing out that it was a QuAIA member that was hit by the bottle thrown by an anti-QuAIA person and that an American pro-Israeli tourist was arrested for grabbing and smashing the camera of a QuAIA marcher. Mark acknowledges that Sav was indeed correct that it was an anti-QuAIA person who assaulted the QuAIA member with the bottle. Sorry I got the years mixed up but the fact is it did happen, the only violence at Pride was by anti-QuAIA types trying to silence the opinions of others by the use of violence. However in 2010 there was lots of intimidation tactics and attempts to incite violence by the JDL "thugs" and other anti-QuAIA types. QuAIA has at no time resorted to intimidation tactics, violence or the threat of violence unlike those trying to silence them. In this case there's video showing the police protecting QuAIA members and the Coalition for Free Speech members from the JDL and other anti-QuAIA types who were harassing, trying to intimidate and to incite violence against QuAIA and the CFFS people http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Minor_tension_at_Toronto_Pride_parade_over_Queers_Against_Israeli_Apartheid-8884.aspx QuAIA never resorted to similar tactics used against them as they're peaceful human rights activists. Yes there's video of a QuAIA supporter ripping the poster of an anti-QuAIA person but there's also video of anti-QuAIA people trying to steal as many CFFS signs as possible, the police stopped them and returned the signs to the CFFS people though
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/13/11 6:15 PM EST
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Rich
Rich, No ones head was split open in a violent attack last year, as you claim in your original post. A couple of QuAiA supporters allege. I can't find a police report? I'll say that again, no police report or hospital records of anyone having their head split open to quote you in your 1st post. Stop making false claims.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/13/11 7:26 PM EST
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Pride Toronto must issue an apology
Pride Toronto must issue an apology to the Jewish community. That is the very least they should do. Some people on this message board like to play games on this issue. I have been falsely called a 'homophobe' or an 'islamaphobe. Name calling is the last refuge for non thinkers. It is insane that the so called human rights activists stand up for Iran; Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/13/11 8:14 PM EST
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Does the JDL support the EDL?
Meir - glad to see you are back. Does the JDL support the EDL?
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/13/11 8:38 PM EST
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Canadian Jewish News JDL positive article
JDL turns tables on anti-Israel crowd By PAUL LUNGEN, Staff Reporter Thursday, 14 July 2011 TORONTO — An anti-Israel lecture at the University of Toronto was disrupted last week when Jewish Defense League national director Meir Weinstein got into a shouting match with a Palestinian speaker and members of the audience. Weinstein said 10 minutes into a lecture by Omar Barghouti, one of the founders of the BDS (boycott, divestment and sanctions) movement and an advocate for the academic boycott of Israel, he rose to confront the speaker’s “lies.” Barghouti, who studies at Tel Aviv University, was criticizing Israel for “apartheid” and calling for its isolation, Weinstein said. “The bottom line of what he wants is, no Jewish state… He was going on how it’s important to boycott Israel and how Israel has to be isolated as much as possible, that even though he was born in Qatar, it’s his land.” After a few minutes of cross-shouting, captured on tape and posted on the Internet, Weinstein and several JDL members were ushered out of the lecture hall at the Sandford Fleming Building by campus security. Weinstein said that while he attended the lecture hoping to pose questions to the speaker, he’s pleased with the outcome. “I’ve seen how these guys interrupt Israeli speakers and they’re proud of that. I thought a taste of their own medicine would be OK.” Weinstein added, “We’re looking to embolden the Jewish community here and other Jewish communities and cities to not take a back seat anymore.” Isn’t he worried such tactics could escalate? “It’s already happening on campuses versus pro-Israeli speakers. It’s been going on for years and it’s about time they get a taste of their own medicine. Is it something we like to do or relish? No. We wish we didn’t have to protest.” Barghouti’s lecture was organized by the Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid; Ontario Public Interest Research Group (U of T); Students Against Israeli Apartheid (Tor
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/13/11 11:12 PM EST
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@ Meir
Yes, yes...so you shout down people with whom you disagree. Now tell us - does the JDL support the EDL?
Know1, Toronto Ontario
07/13/11 11:21 PM EST
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The JDL takes action
The JDL will always take action against all gangs that seek to harm the Jewish People and Israel. The following is a statement from the Arab Nazi leader of the BDS gang, “International law does give people under occupation the right to resist in any way, including armed resistance.” Pride Toronto gave a platform to the BDS Nazis.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/13/11 11:37 PM EST
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The man is a pustule
I'm thrilled to hear that a spokesperson for the Jewish community has distanced himself from Mammoliti. I'd been waiting to hear that. As is clear from Mammoliti's past record, he is no friend of minorities, and Jewish people are not so devoid of allies in this city that they need stoop as low as Mammoliti. The man is obsessed. I just wish some of the bull-dykes (or lipstick lezzies, for that matter!) had kicked his ass.
Alejandro, Toronto Ontario
07/14/11 12:08 AM EST
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Thanks Bernie!
Blazing, I wasn't at the Dachau, Auchwitz, My Lei, Selma or the Trail of Tears, but I know they were fucking awful. Or do I? Is that now the requirement to comment on something - that one must have been in attendance? Besides, one can attend Pride year after year and not see people you see year round, so being AT Pride is no guarantee of anything. I rely on the news, in part, to know what went on. Bernie Farber is a good man, and I welcome his comments. We can disagree. Alf had good comments, other than that this seems to be a pissing match between two or three of the usual parties and a couple of lunatics.
janis purcell, ajax ontario
07/14/11 12:22 AM EST
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What's happening to my Jewish community?
I really don't understand what's happening within certain elements of my Jewish community. If I understand it right the Canadian Jewish Congress has ceased operation and a new lobbying group has taken its place. For me I always looked to CJC as a bit of a voice of reason and moderation in our community. And while I didn't always agree with Bernie Farber's take on things I knew him to be honest and a person who believed in Jewish values of justice and equality. If his reasonableness is replaced by the rather hard right vision of B'nai Birth Canada or a lobby group that (as important as it is)that is singlemindedly focussed on Israel or heaven forbid the JDL, we are truly lost. I don't want to wish Bernie ill on his political bid god knows we need politicians like him in government but in a selfish way I hope he ends up back with my community. People trust him for balance and he proved it here with his views on Mammolitti
Ethel Lublin, Toronto Ont.
07/14/11 12:03 PM EST
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Pride Toronto must issue an apology
Pride Toronto must issue an apology to the Jewish community. This is a must. Also, I have worked in the past very close with Bernie Farber on many issues. On some issues we did not agree on tactics. But in theory we did. We worked together against Galloway and the anti Israel international conference hosted by York University as well as many other projects. The truth is the truth. We have had so many meetings in his office.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
07/14/11 3:10 PM EST
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Meir
Thanks Meir, I agree Pride Toronto worked with QuAia , Free speech , and other groups that put a spin on the term Israeli apartheid. Although, I saw the same messaging , nd even the words. They took Kulanu, and the Jewish community as fools. When elle flanders backed out of marching they had an alternate plan to bring the anti Israel messaging across. I feel Pride Toronto made a fool of me, and some other gay Pro Israeli supporters. It is already the beginning of side taking which is anti semetism promotion under their guise of free speech. shame on all the Jews that can't see Israel bashing is reinforcing negative stereotypes of Jews in General. Thanks Meir for standing up for what you believe. No homophobe would post here, or use their real name. Thanks!
Hannah, Toronto ON
07/14/11 5:00 PM EST
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re: Meir
Meir you state that "Name calling is the last refuge for non thinkers" which is something I tend to agree with. However you do a lot of name calling yourself, calling gays nazis, calling people critical of Israel anti-semitic and QuAIA a hate group in spite of all the evidence to the contrary and the total lack of evidence of them saying anything anti-semitic or attacking Jews in general ant not the specific policies of Israel which denies Palestinian human rights. As well if Israel is so concerned about LGBTQ rights why did they not impose those laws which grant LGBTQ people some rights in the occupied territories where many of Israel's other laws are applied? But back to my main point, Meir most of what you do is name calling and smearing those who don't share your opinions on Israeli policies. All the while refusing to answer some basic questions about your support for violent hate groups like the EDL and the JDL USA which is not only been determined to be an actual hate group based on the same criteria that judges groups such as the KKK and Stormfront to be actual hate groups too but is also an officially designated terrorist organization by the FBI. As well in spite of your claim not to be an Islamaphobe you were a member of a Facebook group called "Death to Arabs" which you claim to have joined not understanding what it said because it was in Hebrew, but you do speak Hebrew don't you Meir? Did you not live in Israel for ten years and did you not serve in the Israeli military? How could you have done so without understanding or speaking Hebrew? As well you and the JDL venerate Meir Kahane who advocated violence against and even the mass murder of Palestinians and Arabs. Do you also support the mass murder of Palestinians and Arabs like Kahane who was the founder of the JDL? I've read that you're against the 2 state solution so what do you propose to do with all the Palestinians living on the land of their ancestors in the occupied territorie
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/14/11 10:28 PM EST
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JEWS' CRITICISM OF ISRAEL IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC
Israelis and Arabs march in Jerusalem for Palestinian statehood --By Joel Greenberg, Friday, July 15, WashingtonPost-- JERUSALEM — A crowd of about 2,000 Jewish Israelis and Palestinian activists marched through East Jerusalem on Friday in a show of support for Palestinian statehood, a rare Jewish-Arab demonstration in this contested city. ...Daniel Argo, from the Israeli group Sheikh Jarrah Solidarity, the main organizer of the march, asserted that Palestinian statehood would free Israel from the burden of occupation. “The struggle for Palestinian independence is also a struggle for freedom for Israelis,” he said.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/israelis-and-arabs-march-in-jerusalem-for-palestinian-statehood/2011/07/15/gIQAQPnSGI_story.html
Pro-Israel + Pro-Palestine, Toronto ont
07/15/11 7:09 PM EST
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More facts for QUAIA - facing charges!
More facts for QUAIA - facing charges! More references for QUAIA! Hey, we know there is little free speech or literacy in much of the Muslim world and zionist Jews are the most literate, educated, progressive, philanthropic and supportive of lgbt and feminist and human rights, so for the smart pro-Israel crowd to help you educate dumb Canadjuns, here are a few references! Watch Elle Flanders and QUAIA go ballistic! 1. Alan Dershowitz, The Case for Israel - famous law professor at Harvard: http://www.amazon.com/Case-Israel-Alan-Dershowitz/dp/047146502X; 2. Mitchell Bard, Myths and Facts on the Arab Israeli Conflict, get it as a book or available online - refutes every one of QUAIA's claims http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mftoc.html 3. Irshad Manji, The Trouble With Islam Today: (and your Jewbashers and Israelbashers) https://www.irshadmanji.com/The-Trouble-with-Islam-Today 4. Phyllis Chesler, The New Anti-Semitism (written after 9/11 from a feminist perspective on the idiocy of feminists bashing Israel, i.e. the new anti-Israelism) http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/books/the-new-anti-semitism 5. Ayaan Hirsi Ali - many books on dysfunctional violent patriarchal Muslim culture and its antipathy to democratic criticism and gay and women's rights:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali So, ululate this, QUAIA and yer pals - even if you have to move your lips when you read them. Democracy hu akbar, baby, and zionism and Israel are the akbarest!
democracy hu akbar, baby, toronto on
07/20/11 4:06 PM EST
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Wondering how QUAIA hijacked you?
Wondering how QuAiA hijacked you? Anyhoo, the fun boys at 51 and Crowns and Canadian and Israeli intel are already reading these reports on the link between anti-Israel discourse and rising antisemitic hate crimes and terror attacks in Canada and internationally, so why don't you. First, US State Dept Report on The Terrorist Enemy and their manipulation of political and left discourse and public spaces and tax funded institutions such as Pride Toronto, Buddies in Bad Times Theatre, Theatre Passe Muraille, CBC, Canadian universities, unions and NDP, International Women's Day, Sherbourne Health Centre, etc. We got a biased anti-Israel essay contest sponsored by the Canadian Arab Federation out of Supporting Our Youth at Sherbourne Health Centre in 2008 - the issue was discrimination and hateful climates in health care, not free speech. Smitherman had it yanked. Here's that report and how you were duped by your useful radical left Jewdiots with QUAIA: http://www.state.gov/s/ct/enemy/. Second, here's that B'nai Brith audit of anti-semitic incidents in Canada, relied upon by law enforcement, linked to anti-Jewish hate crimes and terrorist incidents: http://www.bnaibrith.ca/files/audit2009/MAINAUDITENG.pdf. Third, here's the US State Department report on Global Antisemitism and links to terrorism: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/40258.htm. Fourth, here's the US AntiDefamation League's Report on global antisemitic incidents and hate crimes and terror linked to anti-Israel discourse: http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitism_International/Default.htm. So, QUAIA, start reading and call your lawyers, and we look forward to seeing you in court. Once again, ululate this, QUAIA and yer pals - even if you have to move your lips when you read them. Democracy hu akbar, baby, and zionism and Israel are the akbarest!
democracy hu akbar, baby, toronto on
07/20/11 4:08 PM EST
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Here's the QUAIA poop - from Xtra
If you're just tuning in, Xtra is now quashing their earlier story about QUAIA's illegal actions and subsequent developments around their launch of a banner at Wellesley Station on Sun. July 3rd. And, the knobs at Xtra, who had advance knowledge may also be facing charges in relation to that incident, which is now being investigated by 51 Division, RCMP, Crown Attorneys, and the IDF Military Intelligence Directorate. Issue is not free speech or freedom to protest - issue is criminal activity linked to bias against zionist Jews and Israel (i.e. hate crime) Stop it! Just see QUAIA in court! Xtra had advance knowledge and was complicit in this and promoted Flanders/QUAIA, ande the only folks filming the actual launch of the banner at Wellesley Station, so I guess that makes you a party to the offence? Something about conspiracy? What did you know and when did you know it? Anyhow kids, the fun boys at 51 and the Crowns are handling it now, and probably Israeli and Canadian intel, so relax and let's enjoy the show. Don't bother responding to QUAIA anymore. Check this link for Elle Flanders' meltdown and attempts to intimidate, libel, harass a witness and perhaps aid and abet QUAIA in committing an indictable offence, conspiracy to commit an indictable offence, and maybe obstruct police? All QUAIA's old arguments are already here. No need to repeat them again. http://www.xtra.ca/public/?National/QuAIA_drops_banne?r_from_Wellesley_subway_st?ation-10428.aspx
democracy hu akbar, toronto on
07/20/11 5:30 PM EST
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