Jewish Defense League holds protest at Pride Toronto
NEWS / 'We'll be back, fags': JDL member
Andrea Houston / Toronto / Friday, April 15, 2011
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By the end of the protest at the offices of Pride Toronto (PT) on April 15, members of the Jewish Defense League of Canada (JDL) were throwing anti-gay slurs like “fag” at a small, mostly silent group of rainbow flag-waving gay people.

On one side of the street were about 20 JDL supporters with Israeli and Canadian flags and signs with statements like “Palestine is a disease, a plague.” On the other side were about 12 PT supporters, smiling and trying not to be drawn into the JDL debate. “We’re protecting ourselves against fascist, racist homophobes,” said queer activist Ashleigh Ingle when asked about the fracas by a pedestrian.

“Go be gay in Saudi Arabia,” one JDL protestor shouted. Others chanted, “We love Rob Ford. Get it straight.”

JDL is an international organization dedicated to "protect Jews from anti-Semitism by whatever means necessary." It has chapters in several US states, Canada, South Africa and a few European countries. The US Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) describes the JDL as “a rightwing terrorist group” and says it has been involved in plotting terrorist attacks in the US. There is nothing to suggest that is true of the Canadian chapter.

The Toronto protest was a response to the April 12 city manager’s report that states, "City staff have determined that the phrase ‘Israeli apartheid’ in and of itself does not violate the city’s anti-discrimination policy.” The JDL is calling on the city to strip PT funding if it does not “denounce” Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA).

A JDL Facebook posting that circulated on April 12 states, “During the Nazi era, many high-ranking Nazis were gay.”
The protester who threatened an Xtra reporter at the Jewish Defense League protest at Pride Toronto April 15. "You're lucky there's cops here."
(Andrea Houston)


Prior to the protest, QuAIA released a statement announcing that it would not enter a contingent in this year's Toronto Pride parade. Some of the JDL protesters hadn’t heard the news that QuAIA had already pulled out of the parade. Others call QuAIA “liars.”

Meir Weinstein, national director of JDL Canada, says he doesn’t believe QuAIA will stay out of the parade. “They’ve lied before, and they will lie again. They can’t be trusted.”

Weinstein vows that the JDL will protest regularly until PT issues a “guarantee” that QuAIA will not be included in any Pride Week events. “Right now, we can’t differentiate between Pride Toronto and that hate group.”

The protest lasted about an hour and a half before the JDL group packed up and left. But just before going, one protester yelled, “We’ll be back, fags.”

Former PT board member Mark Smith shrugs. He says the QuAIA debate is quickly becoming “a non-issue.”

“This is a straight organization trying to tell Pride what to do,” he says. “This is homophobia. These people are anti-gay and racist.”

At one point a JDL supporter, who identified himself as Naresh Patel from the Canadian Hindu Advocacy group, threatened this reporter in hushed tones, saying, “You’re lucky there’s cops here.”

When a delivery truck pulled up in front of PT and a person of colour got out with a package, a JDL protester shouted, "Getting your shipment from Hezbollah?" No PT staff were inside to take the delivery.

The PT supporters responded by chanting, “Racist, sexist, anti-gay: JDL go away!”

One JDL demonstrator, yelling into a megaphone, expressed frustration with the anti-gay slurs and told the PT supporters that "Some of us aren't saying what we're supposed to be saying."

PT co-chair Francisco Alvarez says he hopes the JDL reconsiders protesting regularly at PT. "We're taking QuAIA at their word. We are proceeding as if they are not in the parade. I wish other people would take them seriously. If the JDL is protesting gays, that's a whole different issue. If that's the case, we will have to create a strategy around that."

Queer Ontario (QO) member Davina Hader says she’s not surprised the JDL is pledging to step up demonstrations. “Who’s to say another group with the phrase ‘Israeli apartheid’ in its name won’t try to march. And if they do, [QO] will support their right to free speech.”



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pathetic hatred
what's really sad about this situation is to recall the fact that Kulanu not only tolerated these homophobic assholes last year during all the pride mess, they actually invited them into our parade and had them march down the street with us. sick.
toronto queer, to on
04/15/11 6:42 PM EST
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I'm getting a little confused
OK, let me get this straight: free speech extends to QuAIA, but not Kulanu and the JDL?
Jim, Toronto Ontario
04/15/11 6:50 PM EST
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Blag Flag
Whoa, black flags and black clad queers?! You guys are hardcore. Good for you. I'll be there next time to support you. This JDL seems really paranoid, delusional, and bizarre. JDL is a hate group.
Michael, Toronto Ontario
04/15/11 6:50 PM EST
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Who is Meir Weinstein and the JDL?
Here is some background on Meir Weinstein, the JDL-Canada and their right-wing, racist EDL alliance. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/01/471843.html?c=on Meir Weinstein also took credit for persuading Jason Kenney to deny British MP George Galloway entry to Canada, as a 'supporter of terrorism'.
John, Toronto Ontario
04/15/11 7:03 PM EST
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RE: I'm getting a little confused
Jim, no one is denying the JDL the right to free speech. However, while their accusations of anti-semitism on the part of the QuAIA is spurious at best, their homophobic slurs and threats of violence are pretty much what I'd label hate speech.
Casey, Toronto ON
04/15/11 9:24 PM EST
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free speech
jim, are you really going to defend the JDL's right to call us all "faggots" as an example of 'free speech'? seriously dude, try not to be totally stupid here.
queer toronto, to on
04/15/11 10:05 PM EST
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Now for the other, unpopular side.
Well seeing as you are getting one side of the story, let me fill you in on the side you either don't know or want to know. First off, I was with the "other" side. The side who was being called "fascist", an offensive term to Jews by a black clad member of the ARA, an elderly Orthodox Jew left angry when he was having sexual innuendo thrown at him like references to "fisting", and incinuating the JDL symbol was a reference to such, another hurtful comment seeing as Jews, LIKE gays, have suffered extreme persecution for what we cannot help, in your case, being born gay, and our being born Jews. There was the reporter who kept butting into the Jewish section to the point that TPS was asked to intervene. This red haired reporter "accidentally" ran into Mr. Weinstein was moved about a foot forward, and he is a big guy. You aren't being told the JDL, (which is NOT banned in the US OR ISRAEL, Kach Kahane is) also expressed support for the gay/lesbian community as the same people who want us dead, want you equally dead. This is your paper so you have a right to publish what you want, but also please look up the words, "phobia, facsist, and aparthied" and see what they actually mean. They do not apply to the ONLY mideast nation that tolerates homosexuality and has a pride parade in Tel Aviv. I also encourage you to actualy see the agenda of the QuAIA, and see it is nothing more than a hate group against Jews. Not Jews? Israel is a Jewish state and calling for it's distruction calls for the death of it's citizens, Jews, and Christians, and Muslims and Athiests and Gays. It makes no logical sense to call for the destruction or advocate the destruction of a nation when that nation allows your lifestyle. As far as the fag comment, I can assure you the Jewish community does not advocate hateful terms no matter h
Nesher42, Toronto Ontario
04/16/11 12:07 AM EST
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JDL is not representative
As a Jewish advocate FOR LGBT equality internationally (including in Israel) and against QUAIA and the passive enabling of QUAIA by Xtra and Pride Toronto and its participants over the years, I think JDL is NOT representative of the Jewish community but this protest is symptomatic of the fury felt within the Jewish community after years of harassment and false allegations of 'apartheid' and racism fueled and supported passively by most of you. QuAIA's announcement remains to be proven, and I hope Alvarez will be smart enough and the 'Truth and Reconciliation Commission' will be smart enough to guarantee QUAIA is out of Pride, or lose funding and lose World Pride. Pride Toronto participated at World Pride in Israel (albeit to protest, but they took money from the Canada Israel Committee to do it). Most QUAIA types boycotted Israel and continue to advocate boycotts of Israel, whose LGBT rights and economy are world leaders. That JDL marched with Kulanu along with many others attests to the wholesale abandonment of Pride by most mainstream LGBT Jews at this point - statistically, tens of thousands in Canada. Our LGBT community must face up to its hypocrisy and bashing of Jews for years. There will be no reconciliation or return to our dysfunctional 'community' and its commercialism for most of us. Our LGBT 'community' is like the early Nazi era - and you allowed propagandists to bleat 'apartheid' against Jews and Israel, you partied and marched with this fascist scum, and stood idly by while it happened and hate crimes rose against Jews in Canada. We can't forgive or forget this, and your 'friendship' is a commercial sham. QuAIA and Pride Toronto have ruined Toronto's brand as a Pride tourism destination. Permanently. Most of us leave town now and most of your organizations are Judenrein. Don't call us about homophobic bullies when you bully Jews with impunity.
JDL is not representative, Toronto Ontario
04/16/11 12:12 AM EST
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What's right
I've never considered it necessary that someone do right by me, as a condition to recognize their rights. While some Palestinians might work against those like me, that has nothing to do with how they have been treated, and how they should be treated.
Randy, Windsor ON
04/16/11 12:31 AM EST
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What the QuAIA leaves out as with most leftists.
most Zionists and Israel supporters NEVER support actions the JDL. The b'nai birth, CJC the and the ADL major Jewish/ Israel organizations have spoken out AGAINST the actions of the JDL. The Anti-Defamation League in the United States considers the JDL to be up there with the KKK. The Anti-Defamation League does document their attacks (http://www.adl.org/extremism/jdl_chron.asp).
I, support Israel
04/16/11 2:37 AM EST
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Ron Banerjee
The guy who threatened your reporter is Ron Banerjee of a far right group called Canadian Hindu Advocacy.
Dave, Toronto Ontario
04/16/11 2:51 AM EST
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re: I'm getting a little confused
Jim who exactly has tried to censor or silence JDL and Kulanu? Kulanu had nothing to do with this demo anyways though they did invite the JDL to march with them during last year's Pride in spite of the JDL's anti-LGBT views, connection to terrorism, extreme right politics, racist groups and the fact they're acknonwledged as an actual hate group in the US by organizations that track actual hate groups such as the KKK, as opposed to QuAIA who has been found to not use hate speech and not to be a hate group but is called a hate group regardless by those who disagree with their opinions on Israeli policy. Free speech does not mean freedom from criticism nor does it mean anyone has to agree with you.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
04/16/11 5:22 AM EST
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typo
FYi - a few time your article says JDF not JDL...just thought you'd wanna know! keep up the good work extra - maybe try to get a comment from mainstream jewish organizations on this. i'm appalled they're not already publicly denouncing Weinstein!!!
Alex, Toronto Ontario
04/16/11 6:20 AM EST
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the Jewish Lobby Surpresses speech Once Again!
Speak about against Israeli crimes and the JDL is out to shut you up!! Why?? because Israel does WHATEVER it want even on Canadian soil!! Speak up let your voice be heard. Israeli Occupation is ILLEGAL! the Israeli Blockade is Illegal! Israeli Settlements are ILLEGAL! In Canada we support free speech! it is our LEGAL RIGHT!! It is apparent Israel and the Pro-Israeli mob don't like these LEGAL rights when they denounce the atrocities of Israel!! This is one of the many many coverup for the Israeli powers.
CHRIS, Toronto Ont
04/16/11 1:09 PM EST
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Israeli Lobby Misses the Point
What strikes me most about all of the comments from the pro-Israeli lobby above is their obsessing on QuAIA when QuAIA is now a non-issue. QuAIA will not enter the parade under any circumstances because they do not want to see Pride Toronto shorn of its funding from the city. They want more than anything else to prove that Rob Ford is an homophobe who, deprived of QuAIA as a deciding factor, will find any other excuse he can to cut PT funding. Yet the pro-Israeli lobby in all of its comments is so utterly obsessed with this non-issue that they are totally missing and utterly blind to the bald and irrefutable fact that with its homophobic slurs and its equation of gays with nazis the JDL are protesting against homosexuals for being *homosexuals* and for *no* other reason. Why else would the JDL claim that there were no homosexuals in the concentration camps? This is pure, unadulterated anti-homosexual hatred and bigotry masquerading as anti-QuAIA protest. Jews should be terrified that an extreme right-wing group now feels secure enough to be openly anti-Gay, a precedent set by the current mayor doubtless to be followed by similar groups. After all the work we've done for our liberation, anti-homosexual hatred is on the rise again and gaining legitimacy. People are no longer afraid to voice it. I, as a Gay Jew, *am* terrified, and Kulanu should be utterly ashamed for asking a group listed as a terrorist threat in the U.S. to march with them. The JDL's unapologetic homophobia, right-wing historical revisionism and vicious anti-Gay threats (regardless of their so-called "credentials" here in Canada) prove beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed a terrorist threat to me. They hate me solely because of my homosexuality, and their remarks and actions prove it beyond question.
Reuben Sariel Isaacs, Toronto Ontario
04/16/11 7:48 PM EST
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QuAIA
QuAIA a non-issue? I don't think that they'd like to hear that. Their press release states that even though they aren't marching at the Pride parade, they will still have an event during Pride week. The issue of whether it's appropriate to insert Mideast politics into Pride hasn't gone away. QuAIA has changed Pride - forever. QuAIA has caused a lot of division, emotion and bitterness in the gay community in the last year and those wounds aren't going to heal quickly.
Jeff, Toronto Ontario
04/17/11 8:28 AM EST
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The JDL is the hate group
I'd like to see all the Israel lobby groups that have been trying to destroy our parade spend a fraction of that effort fighting the actual hate speech coming from their own side. Leave us alone and fix your own house.
Paul, Toronto ON
04/17/11 8:57 AM EST
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QuAIA
And I'd like to see the QuAIA supporters that have been trying to hijack the gay rights agenda of Pride with their campaign against gay-friendly Israel, spend a fraction of that effort taking a stand against homophobic Muslim countries that persecute gays and oppress women.
Jeff, Toronto Ontario
04/17/11 11:12 AM EST
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JDL Apology
IMPORTANT – Apology by JDL « Jewish Defence League Canada wp.me IMPORTANT IMPORTANT: SOMEONE AT THE LAST JDL PROTEST MADE A NEGATIVE ANTI GAY REMARK. SUCH CONDUCT WILL NEVER BE TOLERATED. ANYONE THAT WAS OFFENDED BY SUCH A REMARK, THE JDL APOLOGIZES AND WILL NOT TOLERATE ANYONE THAT MAKES SUCH REMARKS AT FUTURE EVENTS. .
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
04/17/11 2:30 PM EST
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QuAIA Is Indeed A Non-Issue For PT
@Jeff: It does not matter whether QuAIA would like to hear that they are a non-issue or not. The simple fact is that they are a non-issue as far as Pride Toronto is concerned. The fact that QuAIA will independently of Pride Toronto hold its own event during Pride week is irrelevant because it has no connections to Pride Toronto whatsoever. Vegan Queers for Animal Rights can have an independent event all their own during Pride Week without any connections to Pride Toronto whatsoever. Like it or not, you simply cannot police events that occur during Pride Week that are totally independent of Pride Toronto. And you certainly cannot blame Pride Toronto for them, inasmuch as Pride Toronto is a brand-new organisation with a new board and a completely different structure, and PT has no connection/responsibility whatsoever for events organised totally independent of them. Blame the old PT if you want all you want, but the current PT is a totally different ball game. In a free society, Queers can insert Mideast politics into Pride Week all they want to, because Pride Week is only a theme not an organisation and you cannot police a theme. @Meir Weinstein: It wasn't just one person in the JDL who made a single isolated anti-Gay remark, it was as I wrote and it bears repeating, right-wing historical revisionism and vicious anti-Gay slurs coupled with the threat of physical violence, with bared teeth and raised fists and I thought that they looked and comported themselves not at all like Jews and very much like Hitler Jugend, missing only the arm bands.
Reuben Sariel Isaacs, Toronto Ontario
04/17/11 8:31 PM EST
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just to clarify
The JDL fights against jew hatred. Israel is probably if not the only state in the Middle East that has a annual Pride Parade and is all in all very supportive of the sexual diversity found within it. As a jewish member of toronto's gay community, i greatly appreciate the apology from the JDL as seeing this picture and the article attached to it was highly disturbing.
Elizabeth, Toronto Ontario
04/18/11 1:01 AM EST
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QuAIA as a Affiliated Pride event?
Reuben Sariel Isaacs -- The fact that QuAIA will independently of Pride Toronto hold its own event during Pride week. This not neccessarily true. PT loves adding every ying yang event to its roster, to look bigger. Everything form golf games to Island picnics to TSO events. Sometimes, happening a few days before Launch date. The festival is not a solid ten days as advertised, there a several days of breaks with nothing happening. It's possible a QuAIA could be made an Affiliated Event during one of those empty days. It will be interesting to see, if that happens or Pride Toronto distances itself from QuAIA this year.
Michel, Toronto ON
04/18/11 3:35 AM EST
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Thanks for coming out, Meir
Self-hating closet cases, the lot of them.
Dave, Toronto ON
04/18/11 12:24 PM EST
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Thank you for the apology!
Mr Weinstein I attended the rally last Friday part as an observer, part to protect an organisation that I love and know has the potential to provide a place for all differences of expression. There are always fringe members in every group, as you apologized for in your note. I wonder if that courtesy can be extended to Pride. Prides purpose is much broader then the JDLs and I am sure you now understand that not everyone speaks for the organisation as a whole. Based on my observations of the rally, homophobia runs deep in your organisation, and it was very thinly veiled. I was greeted by a lady in your group " Look at all the pretty homosexuals", considering the reality I should take that as a complement..
Mark Smith former PT board Member, Toronto ON
04/18/11 12:39 PM EST
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Further Clarification
@Elizabeth: The JDL does not *just* "fight against Jew-hatred". You extreme right-wingers are always so damned reductionist and simplistic, when real life is extremely complex and varied. As a Gay Jew, I do not appreciate at all the pseudo-"apology" from the JDL to its own invented single "negative gay remark". To really apologise, you have to admit your error. Where is the admission, much less the apology, for the right-wing historical revisionism and vicious anti-Gay slurs coupled with the threat of physical violence? The JDL treats the whole thing like it was a careless, thoughtless remark made out of context instead of the deliberate, intentional animosity it clearly and unmistakenly was, and which was present on their part unequivocally throughout the entire demonstration. And why bring Israel's record on Gay rights into it? That has absolutely nothing to do with the JDL, and I am just talking about the JDL, which is listed as a terrorist threat in the United States and acts like a terrorist group here, regardless of its so called "credentials", and I'll say it again, like Hitler Jugend. I am an older Gay Jew so I know whereof I speak. The JDL is a right-wing extremist organisation completely disowned by even moderate Jewish groups, and the right wing generally, much less right-wing extremism, has never been the friend and always been the enemy of homosexuals and lesbians. I was part of Gay Liberation at the very beginning of it all, so, as I said above, I know whereof I speak. By the way, amongst its other crimes, the JDL is famous for tooting its own horn, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if "Elizabeth" turns out to be one of their number, pretending to be Queer.
Reuben Sariel Isaacs, Toronto Ontario
04/18/11 12:46 PM EST
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Your Broken Telephone Has The Wrong Number
@Michel: Sorry Michel, but your reasoning is skewed. If QuAIA does organise an event of their own during Pride Week, it *will* be independent of PT. Even if PT were to list it as an "affiliated Pride Event", that listing, and the fact that it is listed, wouldn't logically have anything to do with the *organising* of the event itself, anymore than Queer Vegans for Animal Right were to organise their own event and found themselves listed as a "Pride affiliate". Considering the danger of loss of city funding, QuAIA will keep well clear of PT and vice versa, as any association could well jeopardise funding for *next* year, and QuAIA does not want PT to lose its funding--ever. But you act like you *want* PT to still be affiliated with QuAIA, and you act like you want it *badly*, and that any association, even the thinnest and most irrational, that you can make between the two, real or imagined, is automatically valid, with zero concern for the facts. I've never understood you people; you act just like the people who play "broken telephone", you editorialise upon the facts without warrant, invent fictitious new ones, and put the worst construction possible on everything. It's like you actually *enjoy* creating a poisoned environment no matter how much others work to try to clean it up. @Dave: Your statements are fine examples of monumental ignorance and stupidity of the highest order. If I am a "closet case," Dave, then why do I go about everywhere wearing my "Jewish Faggot" T-shirt? And if I'm a "self-hating Jew (a creature of your own invention), why am I still observant? Why do I study Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah every single day of my Jewish life? I must be a "self-hating Jew" who loves Judaism. That is a contradiction and no contradiction can logically be existential. Incidentally, this kind of oxymoron is the product of comrade Stalin and his crew, who placed contradictory labels on their enemies, so I
Reuben Sariel Isaacs, Toronto Ontario
04/18/11 1:17 PM EST
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Homophobes and antisemites
This issue has really shown us how there are homophobes in Jewish community and Antisemites in the gay communuty (this slated xtra article is a good exammple). At lease the head of the JDL has distanced himself from the homophobia on his side. Yet the gay antisemites do not even try to hide it as they ignore gay rights and instead go after the Jews!
Queero, Toronto Ont
04/18/11 1:49 PM EST
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Homophobes and antisemites
Queero As an organisation I think that Pride Toronto has clearly and repeatedly stated that they do not accept, condone or allow hate speech and antisemitism.
Michael, Toronto ON
04/18/11 2:28 PM EST
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Homophobes and antisemites
Well Micheal, JDL claims it was members of the hate group themselves that were using PT property during that demonstration. I dont't hear anyone apologizing for that.
Queero, Toronto Ont
04/18/11 3:36 PM EST
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Homophobes and antisemites
Queero, it's time for you to put your politics where your mouth is. I want you to tell me in reasoned, logical and consistent discourse, exactly how I, a proud, observant Jew and a scream-from-the-rooftops homosexual who studies Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah every single day of my Jewish life, is a "gay antisemite". On the contrary, I charge you with throwing around slurs, slurs that you cannot possibly in any way rationally justify, for no other sake than that of being deliberately malicious. Or are you really saying that attacking the JDL is "antisemitic"? Are you saying that all the Jewish organisations that deplore the JDL are "antisemitic"? Are you saying that Bernie Farber is "antisemitic"? Are you saying that criticising this tiny extremist group which is not representative of Jewry is "antisemitic"? Are you saying that Jewish members of the Israeli Knesset who distanced themselves from Kahane and his group are "antisemitic"? Are you saying that Jewish members of the Israeli Knesset who refused to work with Kahane because they believed he was a fascist to be "antisemitic"? Are you saying the U.S. is "antisemitic" for listing the JDL as a terrorist group? As a Jew, all I have to say is that if the designation of Kahane and the JDL as fascists is good enough for Jewish members of the Israeli Knesset, then that's good enough for me. And I double-dog dare you to call them "antisemitic". I have no problems with the JDL's religion or their race, both of which I am. I have a problem with their politics, which is right-wing extremist, and there is absolutely nothing in Judaism which says that you have to be a right-wing extremist in order to be a good and observant Jew, which I most certainly am.
Reuben Sariel Isaacs, Toronto Ontario
04/18/11 4:29 PM EST
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Homophobes and antisemites
Wow Reuben Sariel Isaacs, relax man, I am not calling any of those groups antisemetic. I am calling Quaia and those that defend them antisemtic! If I have to explain why they are antisemetic then you are proabably beyond reason. I am also not defending JDL's homophobia. I am pointing out that at least their leader has distanced themselves from it. Pride Toronto has not yet properly distanced themselves from Quaia
Queero, Toronto Ont
04/18/11 5:46 PM EST
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Go JDL!
Finally a group has the balls to stand up to Pride and QuAIA. Who would have thought that the gay community would be so hateful and discriminatory. DISGUSTING!
Warren Brown, Toronto Ontario
04/19/11 10:06 AM EST
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Gay Community not Hateful
Hey Warren Brown, Please don't paint our entire community with one brush. There are bigoted gays like those in QuAiA, but for the most part we are more tolerant than other commnities because of our marginilized status. The Jewish experience is very similar. You may be getting the wrong impression beacuse this "news" source "Xtra" has been working very hard to make it seem as if QuAiA is more supported than they are, The vast majority of Gays in Toronto, dont care about middle East politics and dont want the inclusion of that hate group
Queero, Toronto ont
04/19/11 12:55 PM EST
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again?!?!?!?!?
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=164473383611289&ref=ts didnt they make total hateful asses of themselves enough last time? they like "sorry that most of our members are homophobic monsters... we'll try to limit their hate speech to just racism next time"
Graham, Toronto ON
04/19/11 10:19 PM EST
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Homos and Queers Oh My
Queero re your points " Well Micheal, JDL claims it was members of the hate group themselves that were using PT property during that demonstration." FALSE FALSE FALSE..I was there and insured that no one other the neutral parties were allowed on Pride property. If you question the people with banned and responding to JDL commentary they were asked and heeded the request to stay outside of Prides fence. O am so tired of arguments being made up...
Mark Smith, Toronto ON
04/20/11 12:10 AM EST
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Stop the fight!
Pride Toronto should not have involved itself in this issue to begin with. It is supposed to be a celebration of what it means to be LGBTTQQI2S (which I believe is somewhat lost in the commercialized fashion of what PRIDE has become to what it started out as). Instead of being a celebration it has turned into a battle by including one group and calling it "free speech" and excluding another. Now I don't know about you, but it shouldn't be free speech if it isn't free of bias and can harm or create hate. Then another group comes in and wants the same rights to try and educate the other side of the story because we only allowed one part to speak. I am not saying that the way they did it was appropriate but everyone has a view and they were pissed off. People just need to know that there are two sides to EVERY story and to become more educated on an issue before jumping into anything. If we had just celebrated Pride and not used it's platform for a protest statement for anything inclusive to hate than this wouldn't have happened. As a person that has had my fair share of being hated and discriminated against I would rather spread love and celebrate life than protest something and create issues that could have irreversible ramifications. Just sayin...
Mackenzie, Peterborough Ontario
04/20/11 10:11 AM EST
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What happened to PT?
I don't understand the Canadian gays? Why are they Pro-Palestinians? The Arab Palestinians, as the all Arabs, executing gays for being gays. Israel is full democracy and doesn't discriminate against people for any reason. The gay community in Israel is free and open and gays are not oppressed or persecuted at all.
AbeBird, Brussles vancouver
04/21/11 4:20 PM EST
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Islams usefull idiots
i dont blame the JDL for standing up to Islamofascists like QUAIA. If they can preach hate why cant JDL defend ISrael. IF Palestinians really cared about gay rights, they would be targeting their own governments. It is clear to me that they are using gay pride as a forum to spread their B.S
alsky, toronto ontario
05/05/11 8:52 PM EST
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