Historic Dundonald St homes at risk
NEWS / Developers hoping to build 18-storey condo
David Hains / Toronto / Thursday, July 19, 2012
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Four old brick houses in the middle of Dundonald St have been sold to real estate firm Cushman & Wakefield, which is brokering a deal for the site to be developed as an 18-storey condo.
 
The deadline for offers on the properties at 31-37 Dundonald is July 19, and the sale has left some area residents anxious and upset. "It's sad in regards to our city," says Serafin LaRiviere, who has lived on the street for 12 years. "We don't have a lot of heritage left in Toronto."
 
Tree-lined Dundonald St features rows of 100-year-old three-storey brick homes, but as Toronto's white-hot real estate market swells, downtown density is increasing and putting pressure on historic neighbourhoods.
 
Councillor Kristyn Wong-Tam, a local history enthusiast and former realtor, is currently working to get heritage status for the Dundonald homes in order to block the development and preserve the street's character. City staff members have not yet delivered a report, but Wong-Tam says she is optimistic.
Numbers 31-37 Dundonald St have been sold to real estate firm Cushman & Wakefield.
(Danny Glenwright)
 
She says the section of the street in question is zoned for neighbourhood use, making it a less likely candidate for an 18-storey building.
 
In a note to potential buyers, associates at Cushman & Wakefield highlighted what they saw as their path to winning the needed variances: "The property is located in an area that has, and continues to experience significant high density residential development activity." The statement noted that a building 20 metres to the east is also 18 storeys.
 
Wong-Tam argues the building mentioned is closer to Church St, where, like a similar cluster near Yonge, condo towers are more suitable. She says the proposed 118,000-square-foot building would overshadow a small street like Dundonald, which is part of a larger concern for the area.
 
"It's the small streets like Gloucester, Dundonald and Monteith where you get really vibrant neighbourhood pockets. Those neighbourhood pockets, with low-rise stable housing, are absolutely essential to the Village and downtown Toronto."
 
This kind of development battle is now the norm because of Toronto's unprecedented downtown real estate boom. Another 18-storey building, with 120 units, has already been proposed for 17 Dundonald St; a first public meeting was held two weeks ago.
Kristyn Wong-Tam says the proposed building would overshadow Dundonald St.
(Kyle Lasky)
 
Wong-Tam says there will be a prolonged fight at 11 Wellesley St W to make that property a public park (for which it is zoned) rather than selling it off to be developed as a condo, and developers who have bought the Sutton Place Hotel, at 955 Bay St, want to renovate it into a 772-unit condo.
 
Wong-Tam says these developments do not fit with the city's official plan of increasing density and adding housing.
 
"I would say that argument would have been valid up to five years ago," she says. "But we have exceeded our provincial growth targets and we're 20 years in advance to what the province had anticipated." A contributing factor is the province's greenbelt strategy, which has encouraged development downtown along transit corridors.
 
With the development creep encroaching on the Village's leafy neighbourhood streets, LaRiviere also worries about the mixed character that makes the area special.
 
"The neighbourhood streets are slowly disappearing, which is sad . . . There aren't that many of these [100-year-old downtown homes] anymore. You used to have families living downtown, and we don't seem to have that anymore."
  


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Reader Comments


 
Doesn't matter, in the end
Real estate is so expensive in the area one has to be a millionaire to afford anything. So if it's an old brick house or a condo, only the most affluent would be able to afford it.
JR, Toronto ON
07/19/12 3:25 PM EST
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How does Kristyn Wong-Tam find the time?
...what a powerhouse, when she's not busy trying to create a park for the wealthy people who live in condominiums at Yonge and Wellesley, she is busy with trying to save homes of the wealthy on Dundonald. She's a gift that just keeps on giving.
PR, Toronto ON
07/19/12 5:49 PM EST
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A unique part of Toronto
While having a conversation with an urban studies student while in Zurich CH, he was delighted to find out that I came from Toronto. His class was studying the survival and thriving nature of old neighbourhoods like Rosedale, Cabbagetown and the Annex, and streets within the urban centre still with rows of original houses. In other cities, these neighbourhoods have deteriorated, been demolished, then rebuilt as highrises. There are so many ugly empty spaces and parking lots on which nothing beautiful has to be destroyed to build something new. There's even a huge slap of concrete wasteland that can be built on right behind these gorgeous house. Toronto, for me, has always been unique in that architectures of the past stand proudly, even amidst the ever-developing and modernizing city. It is a diverse city in more ways than one. Hopefully, we never lose this special part of our identity.
Eduardo Sabate, Toronto Ontario
07/19/12 7:42 PM EST
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It's the way of the future
High density living demonstrates a plan for the future. The houses may be beautiful and full of character. I've seen them in person. But they are old, energy inefficient and the same square footage could house 100's more people. Soon everyone will be living in condo or renting their entire lives. It's not a bad thing. This is a national phenomena and I have been watching it happen in all of the major cities I have lived in across the country. We as a people need to get over the baby boomer ideal of everyone living in a big house and polluting the hell out of the environment with our cars that we drive downtown to work anyway and plowed over green spaces. Also as one poster already noticed, if they stay as houses who's going to live in them? Only the wealthiest of the wealthy.
Mike, All over Canada
07/19/12 8:30 PM EST
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Tribute to a pet cause of the local councillor
The condo developers should just follow the usual route to get City of Toronto approval to build a high rise at the site of old, run-down buildings: (1) tear down the old, run-down buildings except for the front facade, (2) repair the front facade, (3) build the high rise using the front facade of the old building for the first two floors, (4) offer tribute to a pet cause of the local City councilor (e.g., former City councillor Kyle Rae got a condo developer to pay for the renovation the premises of the Canadian Lesbian and Gay Archives in return for City approval), and (5) pass on the costs of the tribute by increasing the sale price of the condo units. The Canadian Lesbian and Gay Archives should offer advice to other non-profits on how to a backroom deal.
Fred, Toronto ON
07/19/12 8:58 PM EST
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Some points in reply...
These houses are, all of them, in pristine condition, with energy efficiencies that exceed current building standards. They're also not particularly wealth-dependent: comparable homes in Rosedale would sell for roughly double the price. These homes are, in fact, ideal for families -- something that is becoming more rare downtown. If put on the market as a family home, they would sell within a week (as most homes on this street do). And as Wong-Tam points out, we have already far exceeded the densification levels that are appropriate for our city by two decades. At this point, the greed some of these dissenters are pointing to relates only to the developers who are hungry to build yet more concrete jungles for buyers that don't exist, and the home owners who want to make a quick buck. If greed is your value system, then I suppose that's fine... but the neighbourhood here is mostly full of people who treasure our city and our heritage. So stick that in your sour grapes hat and smoke it :)
Serafin LaRiviere, toronto ON
07/20/12 12:35 PM EST
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Reporter, interviewee, commenter
Please X-tra, can you find some other people to interview other than your own reporters, for once? It really brings down your (already faded) credibility.
George Jukas, Toronto ON
07/20/12 5:35 PM EST
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condo owners get free sodomy TV
the title says it all. the new condo owners are going to see humanity at its worst. at least they'll go cheap. and if you can hold onto it long enough for the weirdos to be gentrified, you'll make pots of money
Barth, Toronto ON
07/20/12 8:08 PM EST
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The owners of these homes
ARE WEALTHY Serafin. And GREEDY. You got yours, so screw everyone else huh? Tear'em down! And could someone please tell me why Xtra is being used to push the personal living accommodation agenda of it's writers?
BT, Iditoville I'mok
07/21/12 9:25 AM EST
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LOL
Well my goodness BT, if you say so it simply must be true! But if you'd like to sit down with me, I'd be more than happy to show my bank statements, and discuss how "wealthy" I am -- which is, not any more so than any other middle-class, two-income home. But even if your silly remarks were accurate, when did it become a crime to be able to own a house, using hard-earned dollars and plenty of sweat-equity? Or is it simply because you can't stand the idea that someone else has something you don't have? Get out there and work for it, dear, instead of making assumptions that are based in jealousy and bitterness, not fact... and instead of vomiting out your ridiculous vitriol from the safe anonymity of your dark little room. I dare you :)
Serafin LaRiviere, toronto ON
07/21/12 10:27 AM EST
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George...
Hey George, I think I missed the part where I turned in the right to have an opinion when I started writing little profile and theatre pieces. At least some of us are out there engaged in making our living and creating something, instead of sitting at home and attempting to rip people to shreds over the internet. Let the bitterness go, babe. Try writing something that isn't simply a prolonged temper tantrum. Or keep at it, as long as you realize that the rest of us are hugely entertained by you goofy behaviour :)
Serafin LaRiviere, toronto ON
07/21/12 10:33 AM EST
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Serafin
You're a bully who beat upon a little gay boy when you were in grade 10. Way old enough to know better. YOU are violence. Everything you say is violent including the above post. It seeps through everything you post. I'm in want of nothing. I am filled with abundance and only wish abundance for all, as is their right. There are a lot of people working much harder than you in this world slag, and they in no way are able to have half of what I have let alone million dollar homes on Dundonald. Your violent assertion against those without as being lazy is repulsive and without merit. TEAR EM DOWN!
BT, Iditoville BT, Iditoville I'mok
07/21/12 11:04 AM EST
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Another ENITITLED ELITIST
and CLASSIST who believes poor people are lazy. I hope the houses are torn down, fast.
Tim, Toronto ON
07/21/12 11:18 AM EST
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What a shame! Please do not destroy this beautiful
Please do not destroy this beautiful street! It is a quiet winding street, an oasis in the middle of the hustle and bustle of downtown. Why not leave a few green spot like this alone, with nice houses and front lawns? A quiet spot in the chaos. Please leave it as it is.
Goodman, Toronto ON
07/21/12 11:39 AM EST
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Tear Them Down!
Keep the tree's, tear down the houses filled with the entitled elitists.
Tim, Toronto ON
07/21/12 11:53 AM EST
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Condo developers are not classist??? !!!
@TIM -Condo developers are not classist? How many street people own condos? Tear down a beautiful street and put up condos, just to get back at someone whose ideologies you despise? Or someone who has a bigger house than you do? Why not start a French Revolution or a Marxist revolution and burn down and demolish Yorkville and Rosedale and Forest Hill? Why not force everyone to dress in workers clothes for decades like after the Maoist revolution and murder of 40 million people in China. I hate Harper and Ford, but if you ever became Mayor or Prime Minister a lot more people would suffer...Luckily that would never happen.
Against Condos, Toronto Ont
07/21/12 4:51 PM EST
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Seriously?
BT, I can only believe that you are in serious need of intervention and therapy. At first I was just amused and slightly annoyed at your ravings (I mean seriously... going on in such a bizarre manner about violence, all the while screaming "tear them down"? Hilarious!). But to accuse me of violently and physically accosting a young boy is not only a repellent lie, it is slander. If you need to resort to this sort of disgusting lying, then you're nothing. In fact, you're less than nothing. And the awesome, wonderful truth is that you must know this about yourself on some level. It explains so perfectly why you hide behind multiple identities, spewing forth your vitriol from safe anonymity. Well, my dear, I have news for you: I know who you are... I've known for awhile now. And, truthfully, I feel terribly, terribly sorry for you. It must be hard to be a lonely, bitter human being whose only relief comes from hating other people. But if you want to slander me in such a disgusting manner, then you come and do it to my face, you spineless piece of garbage.
Serafin LaRiviere, toronto ON
07/21/12 8:12 PM EST
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BT
shut the fuck up. if you mean the column that serafin wrote about bullying then try reading it. he never bullied anyone you you stupid fuck. cant you read????
Doug H, Scarborough Ontario
07/21/12 8:20 PM EST
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Serafin - Retraction- Not a Bully
You yourself admitted to participating in bullying a little gay boy in grade 10. "...suddenly feeling the compulsion to join my fellow students in screaming obscenities out the window at a tiny effete classmate." But it is possible that "feeling" and doing could be different, although the way it was written is open to interpretation. Seriously, it was written in a way that it seemed like you participated in that bullying. I misinterpreted and I am sorry. You are not a bully.
BT, Iditoville I'mok I'mok
07/22/12 11:05 AM EST
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I have an idea
couldn't Xtra remove iffy postings from time to time? Ever read Barth's stuff? Other sites do it. Anyway hopefully some sort of facade or character of the Dundonald can remain, that would be best.
Ramirez, Hamilton Ontario
07/22/12 11:44 AM EST
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Now and then
When they were younger and closeted, I think a large number of Queer people joined with their straight peers in homophobic taunting and bullying of a weaker classmate who was suspected of being Queer. The sad things is, the taunting and bullying continue after many of these people come out of the closet. For example, this taunting and bullying often includes a group of gay male friends who, at Pride events or other social functions, make fun of another gay man who is old, fat, ugly or unfashionable. It includes Queer activists (like QuAIA) who chant hateful slogans against other groups at Pride and viciously attack any LGBT person who disagrees with their left-wing ideology. It includes posters on xtra.ca who call each other garbage and tell each other to shut the fuck up. We can no longer blame governments for our dysfunction since most governments in Canada have given us formal legal equality with straight people (e.g., same-sex marriage, legislative protections against discrimination, etc.). The dysfunction is within us and we need to control it.
Jake, Toronto ON
07/22/12 12:01 PM EST
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Suicides of LGBT youth
often are the result of bullying and people standing by and letting the bullying happen. It could be argued that they are participants of bullying for not stopping it. Also, I think Xtra has a responsibility, especially considering there is no delete function for posters who get too hot headed momentarily, to delete extreme postings. I think anonymity is very important for a LGBT publication, the Xtra employee posted they know who some of the posters are, if this is true it should be made clear to those who are posting that their identities are shared. Finally, I think the houses on Dundonald are beautiful.
Raveille, Toronto On
07/22/12 1:23 PM EST
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re: Suicides of LGBT youth
If we're strong enough, then we shouldn't have to stifle some idiot remarks on an internet board like some of the homophobic remarks above. I say let the trolls be trolls. mocking them and telling them off gives me practice in my real life. and my real life isn't spent all day denouncing gays with improper depictions. I enjoy making money and friends. So, Barth, or whoever you are... Enjoy your anonymity, say what you have to say here because you have no courage to say it in public. And go fuck yourself.
Let the trolls be trolls, Toronto ON
07/22/12 2:32 PM EST
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Are they really Heritage?
I came to Toronto in 2009 from Ottawa. The gay population had literally disappeared to Montreal and Toronto. But I must truly say that I thought the Church village was run-down at the heel. I can’t see that those houses are heritage – it’s just that some people think they are to make it look like the village is a desired area. I think our future is out West Queen Street past Bathurst . No condos and the people are very tolerant. The Barn was a truly ugly place – no money had been poured into it. Maple Leaf Gardens is just plain ugly. Why waste any further money on Church for greedy developers to steal. Rents are half the price around Augusta Street
Anastasia Beaverhausen, Toronto Ontario
08/20/12 1:21 PM EST
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