Drawing battle lines: Pride, QuAIA and Toronto council
ANALYSIS / Should Pride expect city funds?
Andrea Houston / Toronto / Saturday, November 20, 2010
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With the future of Pride funding possibly on the line, one incoming city councillor says Pride Toronto (PT) needs to make a choice: either sever all ties with Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) or risk losing city support.

James Pasternak, who won the seat in Ward 10 – York Centre, says the city-funded parade is being hijacked by QuAIA to promote violent solutions to conflict zones.

“The problem is QuAIA,” he tells Xtra. “There is a time and a place for everything and [the Pride parade] is not the place. It’s not the kind of discourse we need. Families and children attend the parade. There have been some pretty outrageous comments about Israel. Very un-Toronto.”

For that reason, Pasternak says, he plans to put pressure on his new council colleagues to persuade them to not give PT public funding when council resumes next month. He says he is protecting the community from “hate speech.”

While laws already exist in the Criminal Code to prevent hate speech, Pasternak says the city should take a hard-line approach and make funding contingent on QuAIA's non-participation.

“Free speech is a concept that is encouraged and respected, but there’s no such thing as unlimited and unfettered free speech,” he says. “It just doesn’t exist in this country. Hate speech is just not accepted here.”

But QuAIA member Tim McCaskell says Pasternak is part of a “frightening coalition” forming at council, people who would like to see the city scrap all cultural funding. It’s nothing less than a blatant attack on free speech, he says.

“If you decide that, just because you don’t like the politics of one group you exclude them, it’s a very slippery slope,” he says. “Where does it stop?”

Over the years, other groups participating in the Pride festivities have seen their causes become political footballs as well. McCaskell points to the controversy and hand-wringing surrounding Totally Naked Toronto (TNT) Men.

“I think it’s ironic that members of the Progressive Conservative party march in Pride,” he says. “Their party has the unenviable record of opposing every single pro-gay piece of legislation since, and including, decriminalization in 1969.

“If those groups are welcome at Pride, then a queer group operating in solidarity with queers in Palestine very much has a place.”

No one from PT was available for comment.


QuAIA’s history with Pride is actually quite short, McCaskell says. In 2008, when the group was in its infancy, QuAIA was invited by CUPE to join its contingent since the union had taken up a petition to support a boycott and sanctions on Israel. In 2009, QuAIA formed its own contingent.

Then in late October, the Ottawa Police’s gay liaison office unwittingly promoted a screening of the film Reclaiming Our Pride, Martin Gladstone’s agitprop documentary about QuAIA.

The film covers the participation of QuAIA in Toronto’s 2009 Pride parade. The film was denounced by gay and lesbian organizations in Toronto and Ottawa after it was used in a failed campaign to oust QuAIA from the Toronto Pride parade in the spring.

The controversy made a big splash in the media, both mainstream and gay press.

Then battle lines were drawn at Toronto city council.

Back in June, a motion by Toronto city councillor Giorgio Mammoliti to defund Pride as punishment for its decision to rescind its ban on the words "Israeli apartheid" in the parade passed at city council after a 36-1 vote. But the motion was changed significantly before it came to a vote. The motion states that funding for PT be paid after the parade and be conditional upon PT requiring all registered participants to comply with the City of Toronto's Anti-Discrimination Policy.

Pasternak says he supports the motion.
Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) marching in the 2010 Toronto Pride parade.
(Xtra file photo)


“Many councillors felt betrayed when the group participated in the parade anyway,” Pasternak says. “The funding was conditional QuAIA doesn’t participate, which makes sense. We are bound by that motion unless it is overturned.”

But McCaskell says there can’t be one set of rules for one city-funded cultural event and a different set of rules for another.

“To try to micro-manage all the events is ridiculous,” he says. “What are they going to do, check Nuit Blanche to make sure that there isn’t an art piece that is critical of foreign policy of some country that [Prime Minister Stephen] Harper happens to be aligned with? They may, but that would be a very distressing thing.

“That’s blatant censorship.”

After the council vote on the motion, PT executive director Tracey Sandilands said that getting city funding after the parade is over in the future is a bit of an inconvenience, but that she's happy PT isn't on the hook for interpreting the city's antidiscrimination policy. She said she believes PT was always in compliance with city policy.

For QuAIA, the strategy to challenge the motion has still yet to be developed, McCaskell says. Before bringing out the big guns, the group would like to meet with city officials and try to find an amicable solution, if at all possible.

QuAIA currently has a complaint filed with the city ombudsman, McCaskell says.

“The city met with unregistered lobbyists, people from the Israel lobby, who told them all sorts of fanciful stories of QuAIA being a neo-Nazi group,” he says. “Pride itself, I think, could take the city to court over this. They treat no other organization that receives funding from the city like this. Why the gay one? Why is our funding contingent on something?”

Another councillor-elect, Josh Matlow, takes a more moderate view of the issue than his colleague Pasternak. When Pride funding resurfaces at council, Matlow plans to cast his vote “based on the merits of the arguments.”
Martin Gladstone released a documentary about QuAIA called Reclaiming Our Pride

While he acknowledges the enormous impact Pride has on the city, economically, socially and culturally, he sits on the fence when it comes to the city’s ultimatum.

“The issue of QuAIA and their participation in Pride merits a serious discussion in council,” he says. “My personal view is Pride should be about Pride. There’s always room for thoughtful discussion on Middle East politics, but using terms and language that knowingly offends a group of people in the city has no place in city-funded events.

“It’s the word 'apartheid.' It offends the Jewish community, both gay and straight. Many see it as an anti-Semitic attack. I don’t see restricting hateful language from city-funded events as restricting free speech. This is about protecting our community from hateful language.”

Rather than completely supporting the motion as it’s written, as Pasternak does, Matlow wants to first sit down with all the players, QuAIA included, and discuss the issue rationally, he says.

“It’s a complicated issue,” he admits. “I’ve heard both sides to the argument, and there’s merit to both sides.”

If an “amicable resolution” cannot be found, Matlow says, an ultimatum on funding will be considered.

Jane Walsh, from the Pride Coalition for Free Speech, who also works on PT’s human rights committee, says it’s too soon to know what will happen. She’s hopeful that new Ward 27 councillor-elect Kristyn Wong-Tam and her allies will fight the motion.

A big problem, she says, is this issue is not fully understood within the broader community. These are complex discussions that don’t easily fit into a 20-second sound bite.

“I’m confident employees of the city, particularly those who work with Tourism Toronto, will explain to the new regime how insane this is,” she says. “Pride brings a huge amount of tourism dollars into the city. So I feel more hopeful that some of the rhetoric during the election was just that, and cooler heads will prevail.

“We’re already talking about the next steps, where Pride should be putting their energy. So I’m hopeful, but also strategizing. We will be moving on this very soon.”



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Pride events in other cities
The unfettered free speech argument has not won out at pride events in other cities. In the past, organizers of gay pride and similar gay events in North America have refused to allow the following groups to participate: HIV denialists, bareback porn studios, NAMBLA and other pedophile groups, anti-abortionists, ex-gay groups, etc. Yes, these groups have freedom of speech under the constitution. But, that doesn't mean they have the right to hijack the gay rights agenda of publicly-funded Pride events in favour of their own agendas. QuAIA, NAMBLA, HIV denialists and other special interest groups can organize and fund their own separate parades for their own causes.
Kevin, Toronto Ontario
11/21/10 1:27 AM EST
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Free Speech for All?
I'm going to watch this carefully, since quite a few of the QuAIA crowd, the Pride Coalition and their fellow travellers have not been actively tolerant of the free speech of others in the past. Some, yes, but not all. Some have protested the Gaza Strip Club because the name is offensive to some. Many of the QuAIA crowd signed the petition asking that Margaret Somerville be stripped of her Honorary Doctorate from Ryerson for her views on same-sex marriage (rather than debating her on her arguments, which were flimsy and merited debate, they wanted her punished and her honour denied. That's not exactly avid support of free speech). On campuses, Right-to-lifers have been run off of campuses several times and any manner of criticism of Islam has been met with a chorus of voices screaming "Islamophobia". I don't like QuAIA's politics, but I do support their right to be heard. Even TIFF has been harassed for its City-to-City series. I anticipate sophistry one some of these, bring it on. That's different because....blah blah blah. I am an avid supporter of free speech, and I want it for everyone who isn't promoting hate in a clear and unambiguous way. Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism in and of itself. Agreed. Those who claim it is discredit us all. Neither is criticism of strands of feminism misogyny. Disagreeing with a person of colour doesn't ipso facto make you a racist. I'm painting with a broad brush here, admittedly, but that part of the progressive wing of politics in this city has not allied itself enthusiastically with the value of free speech in any consistent way until now. Freedom from language that might offend has been a chief concern. Miss Saigon and Showboat were picketed, and Into the Heart of Africa was closed down and the academic who organized it was threatened and ended up moving to the U.S. I'm pleased that the "queer" left, of which I used to consider myself a charter member, has committed itself to this principle. Better
Nadine Oberman, Toronto ON
11/21/10 1:41 AM EST
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Past actions of QuAIA supporters
I agree that QuAIA supporters have taken positions against free speech in the past. For example, last June, the board of the 519 Community Centre issued a statement in support of QuAIA for reasons of freedom of expression. Yet, in the late 1990s, they prohibited HEAL (a group that questions whether HIV is the cause of AIDS) from using the 519 Community Centre. See: http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/sgheal.htm
Kevin, Toronto Ontario
11/21/10 2:21 AM EST
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Freedom of Speech for QuAIA + KKK + HAMAS
I actually admire QuAIA for criticizing some oppressive Israeli policies towards WestBank and Gaza citizens. They are not saying anything new, nor different than the United nations has said, nor some Israeli Jewish citizens have said. They have a right to free speech in Canada. HOWEVER, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARCH IN THE TORONTO PRIDE PARADE, because THEY ARE OFF TOPIC. If they can march in PRIDE under “Freedom of Speech” then anyone at all has to get the same equal opportunity. We then must allow NABLA, KKK, Anti-Gay Church groups, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, etc to march in The PRIDE Parade. Some have noted that there are already advertisers who promote CarRentals and Condominiums without any Gay reference. If they can be in TheParade, then so can QuAIA. That does actually make sense. Therefore PRIDE has to make a set of rules or policies, as to who can and cannot march in TheParade. I suggest only Gay/Lesbian and other Gay related groups and topics. Advertisers and sponsors have to sponsor a specific Gay/Lesbian group to be able to display their company name or logo. The name of the advertiser cannot be displayed larger than the name of the Gay group.
QuAIA + KKK + Hamas, Toronto Ont
11/21/10 2:25 AM EST
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Ed's note
The suggestion that QuAIA's presence is inappropriate for the Pride parade because its message is off topic seems a bit odd to me. QuAIA is a group of Toronto gay and lesbian human rights activists, a queer community on its own. The group has a desire to be in the parade and is part of Toronto's wider gay and Lesbian community. It seems to me that ought to be enough. In the course of Xtra's investigation I've come to know some of them reasonably well. Some can be a bit shrill, but I've never detected the slightest hateful or anti-semetic sentiment from them. Rather, they simply object to some elements of Israeli foreign policy. They are genuinely opposed to violence, and want to effect positive change in the world.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/21/10 7:13 AM EST
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QuAIA & free speech
On the topic of QuAIA supporters taking positions against free speech in the past, one cannot forget when the group tried to silence a group of queer artists at the now-defunct Gaza Strip Club event at Buddies In Bad Times, as reported by fab magazine. Fucking hypocrites. http://www.fabmagazine.com/features/343/gaza.html
Patrick W., Toronto ON
11/21/10 9:21 AM EST
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BATTLE LINES!?!?! WTF
If Xtra is at all serious about finding common ground in this stupid, nauseating, never-gonna-go-away fight between QuAIA and Pride, maybe they should tone down the war analogies. Who the hell goes to Pride to line up to battle?? Crazy people do, like QuAIA. That, Mr. Mills, is why they don't belong at Pride. They don't have a desire to simply participate in Pride, they have a desire to bring foreign conflict home to Toronto. QuAIA at Gay Pride is as appropriate as anti-military activists at a Rememberance Day tribute. Common sense should win over "Free Speech".
Ryan, Toronto ON
11/21/10 11:32 AM EST
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Ed's note
Hi Ryan. Finding common ground isn't really what Xtra is about. Rather, we're looking to report on what's really going on. This story arc is rather more complicated than simply a fight between QuAIA and Pride Toronto, as you describe it. The City of Toronto, the Pride Coalition for Free Speech, Kulanu, the CJC and several individual Jewish community members are also very active and vocal stakeholders in this story. And that's not an exhaustive list of players. As for the battle lines analogy, it's not my absolute favourite. I think it's a bit hyperbolic. It is nevertheless merely an analogy referencing the very germane and current issue of city funding for next year's pride celebration. What is the next city council likely to do on this matter? It's clearly an important question. That's the germ of the story above. The story opens early with James Pasternak saying QuAIA ought to be excluded from the parade because its presence is bad for children and perpetuates undesirable discourse. That seems to me quite provacative on his part, kind of a line in the sand. So in that sense the battle lines analogy seems apt.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/21/10 12:12 PM EST
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Battle lines?
Who is bringing hatred into this argument? QuAIA, who oppose a government policy openly and personally or others who hide behind unprovable accusations of hate speech and racism? The "get rid of QuAIA" groups have provided a great cover for anyone with a hate on for Pride and the LGBTTT community in general. If you want to talk hate speech look behind you it is not always in your face.
Antonia, Toronto Ontario
11/21/10 12:13 PM EST
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Matt, you may have Stockholm Syndrome
Matt Mills reminds me of Christie Blatchford embedded with the military in Afghanistan. Those kooky boys - and their shrillness! Essentially, I've spent a lot of time with them, they've all got big hearts o' gold and more than anything, they want peace - they even hand out teddy bears and candy! The problem, Matt/Christie, is that Xtra has become a virtual mouthpiece for a very slim segment of the community which wants to demonize Israel while ignoring much greater human rights abuses around the world and well as the abuse of gays and women in the Muslim world. And the QuAIA tribe are johnny/janeys-come-lately to the cause of free expression as has been pointed out frequently. Zezi posts "down with Israel" on your site. Their compatriots in the Israeli Apartheid Week are openly Jew-hating. Anyone who doesn't take the QuAIA doctrinaire position is accused of being "Zionist" and "part of the pro-Israel lobby" which I am not - I think Israel has acted abominably on many occasions. I just don't happen to think that QuAIA makes a positive contribution to the debate and I oppose them for poisoning both Pride and the entire Mid East debate. The QuAIA site asks "does Israel have a right to exist" and then doesn't even answer the fucking question but dances around with sophistry and doublespeak. Still, I'm not for banning them. I actually believe in freedom of expression. I just hope that the next time a Margaret Somerville type wants to make an academic argument against same-sex marriage or equivalent non-PC position that we'll all rally around in celebration of our newfound love of freedom of speech, rather than signing petitions asking for her to be drummed out of the city. And I hope PTP sent a cheque to defray Mark Steyn's legal costs. The litmus test of support for free speech is how much you will go out on a limb to support it for those with whom you disagree.
Nadine Oberman, Toronto ON
11/21/10 11:00 PM EST
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Maybe Xtra could clarify its dual role
Matt says "Finding common ground isn't really what Xtra is about...we're looking to report on what's really going on." Fair enough, Matt. But the press also has a political mission as an active player & shaper of opinion - quite overtly and by its own admission - and is not simply a disinterested and objective news source. As you will know I'm an avid critic of the man, but Kyle Rae was TO's first gay councillor, by any fair assessment a key player in gay Toronto history, & yet never graced the cover of Xtra in his 19 years despite active involvement in some of the central struggles (Bill 167, Pussy Palace, Pride). As Rae noted, Kristyn Wong-Tam was on the cover before she'd even won, presumably because the cover placement was an extension of your editorial position supporting her election. Now, I supported her also (disclosure - with a donation) so I'm glad she won. But Xtra played a role in her victory. I think its fair to say that you are reporting on news that you are also shaping, and in as much as you are a minority press with a specific mission, that's not inappropriate. But those tensions over your dual role perhaps feed into a general unease over QuAIA. I'm a little confused myself, actually. Is Xtra's active support of the principle of free expression simply being misinterpreted as tacitly support QuAIA? Is your ongoing reporting on this giving QuAIA a voice they might not otherwise have? (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing - the MSM portrays them in a very negative light, and although I'm not a supporter I know many of the activists and they're passionate, principled people with long histories) but the broader "denunciation of Israel" movement provides good cover for some unsavoury politics making them an easy target. I hope renewed interest our community has in freedom of speech is general, not specific to this cause. I don't want us to become like our ne
Alex MacLean, Toronto ON
11/22/10 3:09 AM EST
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XTRA + QuAIA will destroy PRIDE
Ed's Note: I don't care if QuAIA is anti-semetic or not. They are off topic. Their name and platform does not protest any anti-Gay/Lesbian action by a foreign government. Gay life is in jeopardy in Malawi, Iran, Uganda, and much of the Moslem world. That would be a more pertinent topic to protest in the PRIDE Parade. If Israel were persecuting Gays/Lesbians, that would be ON topic for a PRIDE Parade, but Israel is the only Gay/Lesbian friendly country in the Middle East. Israel's issues with the Palestinians are as relevant and heart-wrenching as the Russian/Chechyn conflict or the Chinese/Tibetan conflict, the Tukish/Kurdish conflict. BUT, all of them are off topic for the Toronto PRIDE Parade. If QuAIA can march under no hold barred “Freedom of Speech” then NAMBLA KKK, or Hamas and everyone who wants to, Gay or Straight, has equal rights to march in PRIDE. XTRA + QuAIA opened the door to destroying PRIDE altogether. XTRA editors only listen to those who repeat XTRA's ideologies like a mantra. Opposing opinions are argued with or ignored. That is not an objective way to run a community newspaper, and not an objective way to report the news. Start listening to the whole community !!
End of PRIDE, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 3:52 AM EST
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Ed's note
Okay, there's a lot there. Nadine first... throughout this whole story, Xtra's greatest challenge has been to avoid getting dragged into a debate about Israeli foreign policy. It's arguably germane to the story arc, but it's just so very polarizing and really not within our mandate. But a story about of a group of gay and lesbian human rights activists being excised from the Toronto Pride parade because they offend some is right up our alley and of high interest and importance to Xtra's readers. So, the suggestion that Xtra is a mouthpiece for QuAIA seems a bit strange to me. We've published virtually nothing about the conduct of the Israeli government. We ran an op ed by Tim McKaskell followed a few days later by one of similar length and presentation by Martin Gladstone. Demonisation is a pretty hyperbolic abstraction. I just don't see it. I don't think I've lost clarity on this. I visited Israel last year, largely to ensure I wouldn't. I didn't find any demons there and I haven't found any among QuAIA's Toronto contingent. You mention yourself, quite reasonably I think, that you're unhappy with some choices the Israeli government has made. But Xtra has made a deliberate effort to avoid the topic almost altogether.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 6:59 AM EST
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Ed's note
Nadine: Here's a video from Pride day. In it I and Xtra reporter Frank Prendergast speak with some in the Kulanu and QuAIA contingents as they prepare to march. Here's my account of my visit to Israel. I had a great time. It was facinating. I'd go back any time. Would love to tour much more of the middle east. And as always, it makes sense here to direct you to our hub on this story so you can see all we've done. I see we've published some material subsequent to the PT AGM we ought to get on there. I'll look into that.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 7:12 AM EST
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Ed's note
Hey Alex, you're quite right that Xtra has a broad political mission. It's the mission statement of Pink Triangle Press. I've linked it here.
The notion of objectivity and Xtra's approach to reportage is well explained by Xtra publisher Brandon Matheson in Why does Xtra do some of the things it does
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Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 7:50 AM EST
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Ed's note
Hi Alex: next, so many events in the Pride story have unfolded in secrecy. Increased transparency -- at PT, at the city, within the community advisory panel -- is a preferred outcome. So when I wrote Xtra was out to report on what's really going on, I meant we're looking to tell readers about the behind the scenes goings-on. I'm going to jump ahead to your point about freedom of expression. All I can say is that free expression is at the foundational root of Xtra, the organization that publishes it, and I suggest also the gay movement. So, no, our editorial horse isn't hitched to QuAIA's wagon. Xtra has no stated or implied position on whether QuAIA is right or wrong, rather we simply argue that QuAIA's members ought to be allowed participate in their own Pride parade under their own banner. This has been a huge story, the defining one in Xtra Toronto for 2010. Sometimes it seems it's all we write about, but it's a big important story, we've stayed on it and will follow it to its conclusion.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 7:52 AM EST
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Ed's note
For Alex: As for Kyle, I did run a rather nice picture of him speaking at the city hall pride flag raising ceremony in June. It was on the top news page in print, a prominent spot. A nice picture I think, kind of moving. And of course we did run this story. I thought it might make good cover material after the election, but Kyle didn't want to talk to us. I can't speak to the previous 16 years. I was just starting university when Kyle was first elected. Just for interest's sake, editors make cover choices issue by issue. They consider subject matter, photography and illustration. They attempt to make something that resonates with readers and above all encourages pick-up. I've never heard anyone suggest, "It's time we put so-and-so on the cover because he deserves a cover." And there certainly is no no-cover-for-Kyle policy. Xtra's cover formula has changed over the years. For a while we ran mostly arts and culture covers. Recently we've added more news covers.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 7:54 AM EST
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Ed's note
Hi End of Pride: We've covered this story extensively because it is very specific to the local Toronto community. It's about Pride Toronto, City Council, QuAIA in Toronto and freedom of political and sexual expression in the city of Toronto. We've also written extensively on other countries. We ran a cover story on the stuggle for Pride in Moscow that ran in Toronto's pre-pride issue. I'm also particularly fond of Kaj Hasselriis' work on Uganda.
Search for other countries by name in the search field at the top of this page to read more.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 8:42 AM EST
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The basic facts: Toronto Pride & QuAIA
Let's always keep at the forefront of our minds the basic facts about Pride Toronto and Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA). The facts are simple and clear. The two primary requirements for participation in Pride are to be: (1.) part or supportive of the LGBT community; and, (2.) law-abiding. QuAIA [http://www.quaia.org] meets both of these requirements. Singling out one group that meets the requirements and then banning its lawful political speech is censorship [http://tinyurl.com/censordef2]. In Canada, freedom of expression -- including lawful political speech -- is constitutionally protected as a fundamental right. That right is a foundational pillar of any liberal democracy.
Rick, London Ontario
11/22/10 11:02 AM EST
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City Hall Pride Funding
If Toronto City Hall actually votes to cancel this funding they WILL have a massive fight on their hands as this turmoil will draw in more people in the wider arts/culture community in Toronto.
J Roman, Toronto ON
11/22/10 11:49 AM EST
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conflict of interest?
@Matt Mills - Something that really stuck out to me as all this was unfolding leading up to pride was the roll of Xtra's "Community Relations Manager" at the time. (who is also a former, and as i remember somewhat disgruntled Pride Toronto employee) In your opinion, was it appropriate for him to be so vocally seen as leading the charge against Pride Toronto as he appeared (online) to be doing?
Steve Ireson, Toronto Ontario
11/22/10 12:36 PM EST
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Ed's note
Hi Steve. I think you're referring to Brandon Sawh, who is now acting ED over at the LGBT Youthline. In his capacity as Xtra's community relations manager, he helped to organize some of the Pride Coalition for Free Speech signage and advertising. He was not an active part of Xtra's editorial operation, but I don't think he acted inappropriately.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 12:55 PM EST
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Topicality? Really?
To "End of PRIDE," "QuAIA + KKK + Hamas," and others - you advocate censoring QuAIA due to them being off topic. With that in mind, are you actually, seriously, prepared to apply that rule to every contingent in the parade? Are you ready to ban the Conservative Party of Canada from the parade, since their positions are clearly homophobic and thus non-topical? Not that he's likely to show up, but would you ban Rob Ford, given his record on all things not straight? How exactly will you define topicality, specifically? If you create a rule that only bans one group, you've failed miserably, as it only highlights your hate for that single group. So, what others will end up being censored from the parade to appease, let's face it, conservative, right-wing, Israeli propagandists?
Dan, Toronto ON
11/22/10 1:32 PM EST
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Article
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I like this article! Kudos to xtra.ca for posting an article about this that doesn't link back to old ones and change the font for emphasis of choice lines! Seriously... this Andrea Houston lady must be like me: semi-new to Toronto/the "community" and trying to work within it. I can't guess, but the last two articles by her have been the least bias to come out of xtra.ca since I've been reading them. Oh, and the "battle lines" in the title is just keeping up the the recent Xtra cover story that the queer community is going to have to fight city hall in general against the upcoming Ford regime. The fight really needs to be against the city and QuAIA. If the city wants them not to participate as a condition of funding, then they have to be the body that bans them. I think that even if QuAIA changed their name to something like queers against the Israeli occupation that might even be better. I'm not pro or anti Israel so I can't say.
Alex, Toronto ON
11/22/10 3:02 PM EST
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Equality demands inclusion of all political groups
Dan misunderstands: I actually admire the QuAIA for their convictions and protests against the mistreatment of Palestinians. But that is not directly a GLBT issue. Similarly China’s mistreatment of Tibetans is not specifically a GLBT issue. Under the banner of “Freedom of Speech” If PRIDE allows one political group that is off topic (QuAIA) then they will have to allow any and all political groups to march in PRIDE. By making a financial donation to a GLBT charity, any political or anti-Gay religious group can formally prove that they are “supportive of the GLBT community” and demand to march in the Parade and PRIDE will have to allow them, based on “Equality” and “Freedom of Speech.” PRIDE may want to exclude some group in the future which does not fit, or is off topic with PRIDE. How will they be legally able to do so if they allow QuAIA to march in the Parade?
Equality, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 4:05 PM EST
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Oops...
Hi Matt, I don't want to carry on a head butting with you here since we don't substantially disagree. I'm not and never was lobbying for cover page for Kyle - as if! - but he raised it anew and bitterly election night; in retrospect Rae's gripe was a poor illustration for my point, i.e. "perhaps you can see why some might jump to assumptions" when Wong-Tam graces the cover as a mere candidate vs. Rae's 19 years. Xtra/PTP has a role over and above covering 'the news' - it also has an overt political agenda (why has that become so tawdry sounding?!) and I think sometimes that causes confusion. Your explanation of Xtra's role vis-a-vis QuAIA has been my assumption all along (the right tack, in my view) I just have some sympathy for those who think that Xtra has become the voice of QuAIA by dint of the constant coverage and a somewhat uncritical approach to them, especially for paper that doesn't make a habit of sparing feelings. I was, I hope is obvious, trying to be helpful even if I haven't succeeded this time. As the former community relations coordinator for the paper (back when pterodactyls darkened the skies) I frequently dealt with people who were angry at Xtra for one reason or another, usually to do with the lingering false assumption that Xtra's role is to serve as an uncritical cheerleader of All That Is Gay and Sparkly. So I still take it a little personally after all these years and still find myself explaining to friends that the press has a dual role as a community organization/advocate of sorts, as well as an independent media organization. (This came into sharp focus most vividly those times when Xtra would run a piece that was critical of an organization on some matter and at the same time was donating thousands of dollars worth of sponsorship products to said org). Free speech has taken some beatings lately. I'm pleased to see the press take up the cause with vigour, even if this is sometimes conflated with support for QuAIA. Thanks
Alex MacLean, Toronto ON
11/22/10 5:01 PM EST
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On and off topic
Dan, the Conservative Party of CANADA are the governing party of our country, a legitimate political institution and organization, the most diverse party in Parliament in terms of race and gender, and their members are more than welcome to march at Toronto Pride. We want their support and they want ours, as is the case with all Canadian political parties at Pride (even the communists). How can you use them as an example of being "non-topical"? You're right that it's difficult to determine inclusion vs. exclusion, but for me it's a no-brainer. QuAIA (just like the original AIA) are silent on the issue of queer human rights abuses in Palestine, by Palestinian authorities. So their cause is hardly one that can be embraced by Canadians concerned for gay rights abroad. That alone should exclude them from Toronto Pride, say nothing of their offensive slogans and chants, or the fact that nobody wants to support Pride financially because of their involvement. . . . And Alex, I agree, Andrea Houston has demonstrated a kind of professionalism that's been missing from Xtra lately. If she is a secret operative for some group or another, she does of fine job of hiding it ;)
Ryan, Toronto ON
11/22/10 5:15 PM EST
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Neverendum
And Matt, I hope you do follow it to its conclusion should there be one. A rather sudden and expedient interest in fighting anti-Semitism in some quarters of Council means opposition to QuAIA will serve as a fig leaf for those who want to de-fund Pride. The central culprit here, in my view, is the City (and its clear-as-mud non-position on whether QuAIA's participation is a violation of the anti-discrimination charter that funding recipients must follow) and, until recently, our elected representative who claimed that QuAIA's focus was outside the scope of Pride (we didn't think that when anti-apartheid activists marched with us in Pride back in the late 80s. That wasn't questioned in my recollection - it was seen as a natural extension of what we were doing vis-a-vis human rights) as if that should be a concern of the City. We see the spectre of those who normally aren't found being very exercised about racism suddenly VERY concerned about the spread of anti-Semitism. I don't generally support QuAIA but unless they found in violation of human rights charters promoting hatred they have a right to be heard. Tim McCaskell, Elle Flanders and El Farouk Khaki don't have a shred of violence in their souls, and they've all done much in the community; the least we can do is give them a hearing on something they care deeply about, even if we come to different conclusions or simply don't share their passion. So no, this story isn't over yet much as many of us would like it to be.
Alex MacLean (more than one on here), Toronto ON
11/22/10 5:25 PM EST
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Mea culpa, sorta
Matt point taken. I don't agree entirely that you're as on-the-fence as you claim, but I might have been a little hard on you. But the histrionics of the Queers Against Everything have really ticked me off and you caught the brunt. Sorry about that. Speaking of histrionics, hey Rick aren't you the Rick Telfer from London who was trying to get Margaret Somerville unceremoniously dumped from Ryerson and stripped of her honorary doctorate, rather than simply debating her rather flimsy position on same-sex marriage? Glad you've come over to the free speech side and no longer believe in 'censorship by screaming like a fucking asshole.' She's a misguided academic, not the anti-Christ. The response should have been to tell her she was wrong, and why, not to mount long hissy fit campaign to harass her.
Nadine Oberman, Toronto ON
11/22/10 5:39 PM EST
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Apology needed...
@Steve Ireson. To reach down to the depths and try to win an argument by pointedly accusing someones motives or their capacity as an employee of Pride Toronto is well beneath you. Brandan was an employee at Pride when I sat on the Board, he was a what I would call a great employee. He did his job beyond what was required and in my eyes gained points by questioning our motives and decisions. He did it openly and respectfully. Pride Toronto, at that time, was not a career choice, it was something you did because of passion, if you managed to get paid it was a bonus. And Brandons passion for Pride Toronto, what it stands for and what it could be, cannot be measured. To insinuate he was disgruntled would be akin to me suggesting reasons why someone would abruptly quit employment at Pride after 3 months. I would hire Brandon in a flash if we place for him or could pay his true value.
Mark Smith, Toronto Ontario
11/22/10 7:17 PM EST
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Ed's note
Many thanks all for your comments and participation.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/22/10 7:32 PM EST
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Financing
We should keep in mind that Dancing Dalton is going to go to defeat next fall and the provinial Tories have a commanding lead. I think we must keep in mind the reality of funding is going to be grim from all three levels of government.
Bryan Charlebois, Toronto Ontario
11/23/10 11:15 AM EST
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QuAIA+Xtra bias = pinkwashing
period..
James, Toronto Ontario
11/23/10 1:55 PM EST
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QuAIA still can't explain why
Gay Palestinian Groups that are on their website have to operate in Israel and not in Gaza or the West Bank? Could it be Islamic conservatives that is causing this problem who rule here? But let's invite them to Pride after all it's freedom of speech and expression and all the Anti Gay forces to Pride.
?, Toronto ON
11/23/10 4:59 PM EST
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west bank and gaza
Those organizations do in fact work in the West Bank, just on a more low-key level, and they have done work in Gaza in the past. But now Gaza is under military siege. All reports are that life in general has almost completely ground to a halt there.
queer pal, Toronto Ont
11/23/10 11:25 PM EST
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Some common sense for a change
Pasternak and Matlow are saying things that most gay people agree with. Good for them. And let's not forget that Pride is supposed to be a celebration, not a divisive political event. Sure, politics are a part of Pride, but it should be restricted to GAY politics. When you start upsetting a particular ethnic group you've crossed a line. Surely that's not the message we want to send out. I'm sorry but criticism of Israel is perceived as anti-semitic. You can rant that it is not, but it is perceived as such. I say divide Pride into a small left-wing extremist political event and then have a mainstram celebration for the rest of us.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
11/24/10 2:15 AM EST
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Unite Against Municipal Cuts to Pride
Look, the truth is whether QUAIA participates in pride or not (and I adamantly think it should), anyone who is truly in solidarity with Pride needs to remind the city that until any laws are broken, city councillors don't have the right to interfere with programming. City council should maintain sponsoring and supporting Pride because it brings many tourists to Toronto, creates a positive space in the city, and produces many economic benefits. END. If you think it's hate speech, call the police. I doubt they'll find a crown attorney willing to press charges for a phrase (Israeli apartheid) that Israeli Prime Ministers, former US Presidents and Archbishop Desmond Tutu use on a regular basis. In the meantime, don't you realize Torontonians have elected a regressive anti-LGBT regime to city hall that will be looking for excuses to cut any and all funding from progressive groups?
EKS, Etobicoke Ontario
11/24/10 5:51 AM EST
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Ed's note
Hi James. I don't know what you mean. I thought pink washing was.... Pinkwashing (peenk+woshing) -noun 1. a term used to describe the activities of companies and groups that position themselves as leaders in the struggle to eradicate breast cancer while engaging in practices that may be contributing to rising rates of the disease.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/24/10 8:45 AM EST
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Ed's note
Hi Jim: Thanks for your note. I'm not sure that Pasternak and Matlow's views are as popular within the gay community as you suggest. Remember, the voters of Ward 27, the ward with the highest concentration of gay people, voted for Krystin Wong-Tam. Pride Toronto did ultimately choose to rescind it's proscription of the term 'Israeli apartheid' after its constituents demanded it. The argument that pride is and ought to be celebratory and apolitical is a bit strange. It seems to me that celebration of our freedom of sexual and political expression is a simultaneously celebratory and deeply political act. The abstractions, celebratory and political, are not and need not be mutually exclusive. Pride is both celebratory and political. That criticism of the Israeli government is perceived to be anti-Semitic and therefore ought to be treated as such is a dubious argument. Freedom to criticize government, foreign or domestic, is a cornerstone of liberal democracy. Why on earth would gay or Jewish people, or anybody interested in building free and just societies for that matter, want to limit free expression of dissent?
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/24/10 9:11 AM EST
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Is XTRA finally embracing the whole community?
WOW !! Editors commenting on everyone's comments is a great promotional tactic and damage control, at the same time. Very clever... Will this be a policy on all articles? I actually appreciate the Editors' interaction. It shows that XTRA is listening, not just pontificating. And as even the Pontiff (Pope) himself has changed his mind recently on condom use, maybe XTRA can also reconsider some previous staunch ideologies. That would be a step above the cool arrogance of some previous writers/editors who suggested that readers who disagree “may want to support another publication.” I hope XTRA is finally embracing the whole community...
Editor's Comments, Toronto Ont
11/24/10 12:07 PM EST
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Ed's note
Hi Editor's Comments, thanks for your note...I think. It's not policy per se for editors and writers to participate in the comments forum. It just seems like it might be good for us to jump in a bit more. The comments section on Xtra.ca was originally envisioned as a forum chiefly for readers; editors and writers crafted the stories, readers were then free to comment on them. Most news sites still run their comments sections that way, and most are rather heavily moderated. We didn't want to moderate our reader comments too much, but it became clear over time that our comments feature needed something more. So, we're working on getting editors and writers a little more involved when it seems prudent.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/24/10 12:54 PM EST
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Every syllable
Matt, I appreciate your feedback, but I disagree with pretty well every syllable you've written. I support the defunding of Pride. It's disturbing to me that you feel you can speak for the "gay community", when really the left has more or less destroyed the gay community in this city and is on its way to destroying Pride. Gay life used to transcend race, ethnicity, politics - but not anymore. And you think you can tell people what to think about phrases like "Israeli apartheid". How democratic is that? Some people, Jewish and otherwise, think it's anti-semitic, so it is. You can't go around lecturing people how to feel about things. It's all about politics for you, not about being gay. For the great majority of gay men, it's not about politics at all. You really don't represent us. You don't speak for me and I resent it when you act like you do. Xtra is the only gay news source we have in this country, so please get out of politics and start focusing on the news.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
11/24/10 7:04 PM EST
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Ed's note
Jim, I've never claimed or tried to speak for any community. You can't possibly have any insight into how I feel. I don't see that you have any special insight into how your great majority of gay men feels. I don't know precisely what you mean when you refer to the left. And I can't think of any communities in this city that have recently been destroyed by anything. The rest of your comment, with the exception of your opening sentence, doesn't make sense to me. And I usually understand things reasonably easily. So, I don't know what else to say.... I guess we're going to disagree. You seem to have some anger. I hope you find peace.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/24/10 8:17 PM EST
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Neuter-fest 2011
Jim, you and your handful of friends on the Board, as well as your straight allies, have constantly tried to convince everyone that those who happen to be both queer (I know you love that word!) and politically engaged are marginal, irrelevant, or "less than 1% of the community" as our tongue-talented E.D. once said. Yet you have been proven wrong over and over again. If we were less than 1% of the community, then everyone would have stood by your side when you banned the phrase "Israeli Apartheid." They did not, the community revolted and Pride was forced to rescind the decision. If we were marginal, Ken Chan would have been elected Ward 27 councilor. He was not elected, Krystin Wong-Tam was elected despite lending her credit card to a certain organization you despise. And let's keep in mind what happened last year... what tiny crazy left-extremist segment of the LGBT community revolted and formed their own parade? Was it the radicals from QuAIA? No, it was the lesbians... one of Pride's two formally acknowledged founding constituencies. The fact is Jim that you and Pride keep trying to speak for the community as a whole while trying to tell anyone you disagree with to shut up. I don't claim to speak for the community as a whole and never did (Xtra never did either I don't believe). So Pride has to make a decision: either be an open organization for the entire community to participate in, even the nude guys and politics, or else quit its claim to represent the entire LGBT community and openly become an exclusive organization that caters to affluent de-politicized gay guys and a few lesbians... in the latter case, I suppose at least you would have finally transformed Pride into the giant boring neuter-fest that you lie awake at night dreaming of (which does some kind of ironic for a gay dude).
Sav, Toronto ON
11/24/10 8:33 PM EST
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What is a neuter-fest?
Sav, further to your last comment, what is a "neuter-fest"? A festival for males who have their penis and testicles removed? Are you displaying some internalized transphobia?
Elle, Toronto Ontario
11/24/10 11:18 PM EST
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festival
Hi Elle.... uhhhhh, I don't think so. I am pretty sure that I am a trans woman and wouldn't have such inclinations. My point is just to say that that politically correct "uber-mainstream" heterosexual and cisgender-friendly version of Pride that Jim is talking about (like a toned-down gay Mardi Gras festival or something like that) is sort of de-sexed and no fun. Really I just thought it was a funny way to say that to a self-righteous gay dude. Actually I still do, ha!
Sav., Toronto ON
11/25/10 1:17 AM EST
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further
Maybe it's also worth considering that there is a difference between neutering (de-sexing) and sex reassignment surgery (re-assigning sex or maybe we could say re-sexing).
Sav., Toronto ON
11/25/10 1:21 AM EST
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QuAIA called for boycott of gay film
Here's another example of how QuAIA supporters have only recently embraced freedom of speech, yet took actions against freedom of expression in the past. In 2009, QuAIA supporters John Greyson and Elle Flanders lent their voices to pro-Palestinian groups calling for a boycott of Israeli films in the Toronto International Film Festival. Ironically, one of the Israeli films they didn't want people to attend was Eytan Fox's The Bubble, a film about a homosexual relationship between an Israeli man and a Palestinian man. For more, see http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/09/11/robert-lantos-naomi-klein-s-tiff-protest-is-an-attack-on-our-freedom.aspx
Kevin, Toronto Ontario
11/25/10 7:08 AM EST
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Ward 27 race
@ Sav and the Editor, suggesting the victory of Kristyn Wong Tam to Council had anything to do with her stance on what groups are included at Pride is such an undefendable position. She won (by a hair) a plurality of votes in a ward with too many damn people running. I think she won by name recognition in the community, better signs and flyers, a more active door-to-door campaign, and the Xtra cover/endorsement didn't hurt. Her opponent Ken Chan wasn't as well known beyond being Smitherman's choice, which didn't exactly work to his advantage. Finally I think Kristyn won because voters expected Rob Ford was going to take the mayor's seat, and we wanted a reliable gay progressive to balance things out. To say she won because she supported QuAIA, and by default the gay voters of Toronto supported QuAIA is not accurate. Ward 27 politics should not ever be used to make flimsy generalizations about where the local queer community stands on this issue.
Ryan, Toronto ON
11/25/10 10:40 AM EST
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Ed's note
Hi Ryan. To be clear, I wrote that Wong-Tam won, not that she won because she supports QuAIA. You inferred the latter somehow. What I did write, I wrote in response to a commenter who suggests the majority of gay people hold views on the Pride controversy similar to those of councillors Pasternak and Matlow. That suggestion is simply not borne out by the facts or the outcome.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/25/10 12:37 PM EST
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clarification
Yeah I definitely did not mean to imply that everyone who voted for KWT is a supporter of QuAIA... on the contrary, my point is that it wasn't much of an issue to most voters (despite all the anti-QuAIA name calling). I believe people voted for KWT because they feel closer to her progressive politics on day-to-day issues like transportation and social services. And it's true that the election was close, but again that agrees with what I am saying. I am not saying that every member of the LGBT community is a union-organizing anti-apartheid leftist. What I am saying is that our community is diverse, there are conservatives and there are leftists and everything in between. All of those people and all of those voices should be included in queer politics (and in Pride). And there is no justification for the belief that the left is marginal or "less than 1%" of the community.
Sav., Toronto ON
11/25/10 1:55 PM EST
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Get facts straight about TIFF
John Greyson did not pull his film as part of a boycott of TIFF. John and the artists that supported him pulled their work because TIFF chose to have a spotlight on filmmakers from Israel with out any Palestinians being screened in the mix and the whole focus was part of an Israeli propoganda machine to focus people's attention away from the plight of the Palestinians and move the focus to the arts, culture, science and medicine. No boycott was promoted...but why stop living in Paranoia now...Admitting the truth to yourself will just go against your position, but rail away buddy, seems like you've got your share of allies here to support your misinformation.
john, toronto On
11/25/10 4:31 PM EST
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The waiting was killing me!
Thankfully Sav. finally showed up to tell me what to think over multiple postings. I was getting worried there for a while. Now we all have the correct version of The Truth and a doctrine to take to the queervolken. I haven't been this emotional with relief since Kristyn Wong-Tam distanced herself from the QuAIA issue with her "I just let them use my credit card" comments, thereby giving me enough comfort to actually vote for her.
Vagina Dentata, Toronto On
11/25/10 4:48 PM EST
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comment above is a lie
and he did start the boycott at TIFF 09 (http://ht.ly/3fAkO )there was so many Anti-Israel films being shown by Israel artists and they got funding by the Israeli Government organization that is no different from the National Film Broad of Canada and yes there was they it was a boycott. But TIFF told them to fuck off. I think he did not even get his own film because the anti Israel activists at TIFF 09 are similar to the Islamic mob that shutdown at gay film festival in Bosnia. This is what real directors or artists think about this subject. (http://ht.ly/3fAeK )and this was not the only time something like this happened oddly from the same person who started boycott at TIFF 09 (http://ht.ly/3fAhY )
James, Toronto ON
11/25/10 4:55 PM EST
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I love you “Vagina Dendata.”
I love you “Vagina Dendata.” I sense who you really are...my twin sister... But I would hug you if I knew who you were :-)
Vagina Canicula, Toronto Ont
11/25/10 8:03 PM EST
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ha
if all you can argue your point with is an article in the Jerusalem Post citing James "king of the world" Cameron, you're not going to win. No one was calling for a boycott at TIFF. I was there. You maybe were at the megaplex in outer whoville in line for some mind numbing hollywood drek, but that's just me thinking out loud and I shouldn't be so mean. Use whatever you have to to in order to support your flimsy arguement....anger and fear sometimes makes one unmoveable, n'est pas?
john, toronto on
11/26/10 3:23 PM EST
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What the fu#k is “cisgender-friendly Pride?
Sav, What the fu#k is “cisgender-friendly version of Pride”? Are you now inventing words, that no one understands, to legitimize the phony mixed-gender fantasy life that you have created? I understand your need to be validated as a living being. But your version of reality does remotely seem to correspond to anyone else's. Here's a good place to start unravelling it all. Genetics rules. Everything else is artificially constructed and maintained with effort. Some with less effort, some with too much effort to be worth it. Too much effort can cause catastrophic mistakes and depletes energy reserves. Adaptation leads to better success.
Mystery or Miss-tery or Mister-y, Toronto Ont
11/26/10 5:04 PM EST
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Alienating, marginalized, extremist
Gay life is mostly about getting laid and having fun. And making sure our basic rights are protected. Some of you have turned it all into such a...drag. You're alienated from your own community and perceived as marginal and extremist by the rest of the city. Most of us are not interested in this politics of alienation, marginalization and extremism.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
11/27/10 1:55 AM EST
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Ed's note
Hi Jim, I think gay life may be a little more rich than you suggest. I agree that this controversey is a bit of a drag. If in 2008 you had told me of the events of spring and summer 2010, I wouldn't have believed you. Nevertheless, here we are. I'm not sure about your last line -- and I don't think you can be either -- but I can tell you with some certainty that people in Toronto have been engaged, very very interested, in this story all year. You're quite a prolific commenter on it, for example. You don't seem at all disinterested.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/27/10 4:49 PM EST
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Stay out of politics
Matt, Xtra plays an important role in the gay community because it's the only organization claiming to report the news of interest to gay people. All gay people, not the very small number who live within a stone's throw of the 519 and actually show an active interest in gay politics. If Xtra wants to be taken seriously as a credible news source, it has to be objective. As for the whole QuAIA fiasco, this had nothing to do with gay issues and everything to do with leftist political views. I suggest that this was a watershed moment in Toronto's gay history (confirming the shattering of the unity of the gay community in this city) and Xtra failed to take a neutral position. All of a sudden "queers" turned on the "Jews". This reliance on "freedom of expression" to attack a largely pro-gay community was and is disturbing and off-putting. Pro-gay yes; but that's as far as it should go. Stay out of politics. Gay people deserve an objective news source but we don't seem to have it in this country.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
11/29/10 2:14 AM EST
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Let the community decide
Pride is supposed to be "by the community, for the community". Hence, community elected board of directors, the willingness to engage in a process of discussion etc... The plus side from all this is that the queer (or whatever label you chose to identify with) community is finally engaging in an important discussion around Pride. What's missing here is the realization that to have a Pride festival/weekend larger than a pot luck in the park, requires funding. I think that Pride should pass clear and direct policies around what constitutes a community group able to participate, and have it voted on by the members. Those queers who don't bother to show up or become a member forfeit their right to bitch. If the majority pass a definition that includes controversial groups such as QuAIA, then Pride should allow it, and simply chop the festival down to size which fits within the reduced funding - and make it known that the cuts are because the city (or other sponsors) withdrew funding. In other words, Pride needs to follow the mandate and policies outlined by its membership, and the membership needs to accept responsibility for creating/approving those policies as funders (incl. the city) either continue their support or go elsewhere.
Darren, Ottawa Ontario
11/30/10 2:22 PM EST
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Ed's note
Hi Darren: Thanks for your comment. You put your finger on an interesting point. The matter of PT membership is one of the keys to this kerfuffle. How does one become a member of PT, or rather how does management at PT influence the membership and its voting patterns? These are good questions. Check out Five hot button issues and What happened at the AGM...
Part of the issue is that it seems quite difficult for those with dissenting views to become members.
Matt Mills, Toronto Ont
11/30/10 3:38 PM EST
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Funding
@Darren: To pretend that PT can elect a membership and decide who particpates in pride without consideration to the outside players and their stake in pride is naive. The LGBTetc community lost control of pride years ago when it became reliant on corporate funding to function. To assume corporate funders such as TD will just put up the money and stay silent and not attempt to exert influence is not reasonable. If corporate funding is withdrawn and because of controversy and pride attempts to go ahead with a stripped down version, will the city issue the permits? In the current climate probably not. It should have been a wake up call to the LBGTetc community when people like Giorgio Mammoliti and the Toronto Sun started telling the LBGTetc community what pride should and should not be. Pride is not ours anymore. It is a corporate money maker and revenue source for businesses in the core.
pjr, Toronto ON
11/30/10 4:20 PM EST
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Toronto, ball's in your court
I really hope Jane Walsh's suggested 'benefits of tourism' approach doesn't prevail. I don't wish anything about Pride to be fought on the supposed $$$ benefits of the festival alone, especially as a way of sidestepping other issues that have been raised. Both 'sides' deserve an honest and unequivocal answer if for no other reason than to guide future participants with unpoplar causes (and most causes are unpopular at the outset) and something to say. Either "Israeli apartheid" is a hate phrase or it is not as per the city's anti-discrimination charter. Let's have the city decide which, and stop it with the threatdown. We also don't need outsiders telling us what Pride should focus on - that's our file, not theirs. What we do need from the city isn't advice, it's clarity about what violates the city's anti-discrimination charter, and what does not. We can then decide whether we wish to continue taking their money if we believe their definition of discrimination is too strict. Let us not forget that 'people like us' wished things like anti-discrimination charters into existence, so let's not argue that they should be ignored if there's a compelling economic reason, such as tourism. Deal with the central issue - is "Israeli apartheid" discriminatory? (And why can't QuAIA make the decision about that, and face the consequences if there are to be any, rather than Pride?) Once we have an answer on that, we can govern ourselves accordingly. If we don't mind being dictated to by the city, we'll take their money. If we value expression over everything, and the city makes too many onerous demands, we won't take their money. The city needs to decide which it is, and not apply the city's A-D charter argument ad hominem to causes which are merely unpopular in some quarters and in an ad hominem and capricious manner as has been done so far. The city is the biggest culprit in this ongoing psychodrama. They need to shit or get off the pot.
Alex, Toronto ON
12/01/10 1:31 AM EST
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