Drag's dilemma
TORONTO NEWS / Did Donnarama cross the fine line between art and offence?
Jonathan Forani / Toronto / Friday, December 21, 2012
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A burka, flames and a dynamite-stick corset are just as much a part of this drag queen's set as the lipstick, wigs and eyelashes. But she's not making any excuses — or apologies.
 
Donnarama, one of Toronto's most popular drag performers, is under fire for a Dec 16 Woody's performance some are calling Islamophobic. The routine, which the entertainer has been performing since at least 2009, has the gay community divided on the line between artistic expression and racism.
 
"As an artist I regret nothing, as a person I want to communicate," Donnarama wrote in an email chat Dec 19. "I usually take great pride in my creations . . . But I'm not happy about this, upsetting people is not my intention."
 
One of those she upset is 27-year-old social worker Rahim Thawer, who brought the performance to light.
 
On the night of Dec 16, Thawer wanted to end an average weekend on a high. Attending a Church Street drag show seemed the perfect option. But the Donnarama performance was not what he was looking for. "I'm very aware of the drag world and the way it uses race in different ways," Thawer says. "But nothing has been quite so appalling."
Rahim Thawer says Donnarama's performance was "nothing short of hate speech, racism, and violence."
 
To the music of the Pussycat Dolls and Katy Perry, Donnarama sported what she calls a "corset made of dynamite sticks" and a traditional Islamic headdress known as a burka. She also had a bindi spot painted on her forehead, which Thawer says is culturally dissonant to the headdress. The bindi is a traditional South Asian decoration, not Islamic.
 
Mini explosions, candles and fire lit up Donnarama's stage as she performed "When I Grow Up" and "Firework," with choreographed dance moves mimicking the use of a gun.
 
As Thawer looked around the bar, he was angered to see many patrons filming the performance with their cellphones and approaching Donnarama to reward her with tips. When she began another number in the same outfit, Thawer couldn't bear it any longer.
 
He booed from the audience, gave Donnarama the finger, and left Woody's in tears.
 
Comforted by friends, Thawer took to social media to share his experience. He wrote a public Facebook note, which was eventually published on The Huffington Post Canada blog, and has received more than 1,200 "likes" as of Dec 21.
 
"This performance is nothing short of hate speech, racism, and violence," Thawer wrote. "A community icon basically assaulted me (and the entire queer Muslim/racialized table I was at) and then my queer community sent me the message that this was okay."
 
Woody's has a pre-existing understanding with Donnarama that says she is "not supposed to do anything like that," says general manager Dean Odorico. She has been spoken with regarding her performance, he says. The freelance performer is not an employee of the bar, and Woody's staff members were unaware that she would be performing the routine in question, Odorico says.
 
This isn't the first time the Donnarama performance has sparked outrage.
 
In late spring of this year, she performed a similar number to mild controversy at Buddies in Bad Times Theatre, where she is also a regular act. The performance made some staff members uncomfortable, and the theatre received a complaint from a patron. Artistic director Brendan Healy addressed the incident in a public Facebook note Dec 19 in response to Thawer's post, which called for a boycott of Buddies and Woody's.
 
Formal screening policies on performance content do not exist at Buddies, Healy says. The theatre gives its performers the benefit of the doubt that they will adhere to the values that Buddies holds paramount, he says.
 
"Obviously, drag — and, in fact, queer art — a lot of it is designed to offend, to upset, to disrupt, to critique," he says. "That's at the heart of what queer cultural expression is about. That being said, I don't think queer art is about perpetuating negative stereotypes. It's a fine line."
 
Kevin Nixon, a University of Toronto PhD student researching drag queens, says the line often wavers. "Drag can be used to reinforce particular stereotypes, but it can also be used to transgress those stereotypes."
 
Race is not foreign ground in the drag world, with many performers attempting — successfully or otherwise — to make political statements. It needs to be approached cautiously, Thawer says.
"As an artist I regret nothing, as a person I want to communicate," writes Donnarama.
 
"You can't call it art and good social commentary if you don't have a message or a critique that is tied in to a larger political conversation," he says. For Thawer, Donnarama failed to do this.
 
But the popular drag queen says her performance is, in fact, charged with post-9/11 race politics.
 
"Suddenly the cowboys had their Indians and the game was on," she wrote in an email chat about the political climate after the Sept 11 terrorist attacks. "My idea was to present this stereotype as a political parody."
 
Though not an excuse, the performer's intention should be considered, Nixon says.
 
"It's not that she went out to create a racist performance," he says of Donnarama, but that it is "part of systemic and institutionalized racism that exists in the queer community."
 
Many agree and consider the performance part of the bigger picture of race relations in Toronto's queer community. It's an atmosphere, according to Thawer, of "white gay hegemony."
 
In response to Donnarama, Thawer called for a boycott of both Woody's and Buddies: "Demand an apology and from the establishments, demand some accountability," he wrote. It's a move that has been met with criticism from some who deem boycotting the incorrect response.
 
Toronto drag queen Dolly Jones says a boycott of the Church Street bar has already been happening for years.
 
"Woody's is a very predominantly white bar anyway, to the exclusion of many queers of colour," Jones says. "But I think white queers should stand up and support fellow queers of colour as well."
 
Buddies' Healy hopes the community reacts in a different way, too. Instead of a boycott, Healy says, the community should engage Woody's, Buddies and Donnarama in a dialogue.
 
"Boycotting probably won't work," Thawer concedes. "I don't take it back, but I also think people can be critical and challenge each other in different ways." He suggests initiatives such as public forums or panels, and even a drag event at which ethnically diverse drag queens would perform.
 
Donnarama is open to joining the conversation too, she says.
 
"I'll sit and speak to anyone with any concerns. I am that type of person who listens when people speak." 


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Violence?
If others had already flagged it as problematic it sounds like the some of the charges are valid, but was it "violence"? Why is Thawer fine with insulting victims of real violence? While I'm glad Thawer called out Donnarama's ignorant act (and he should be commended for it), he should apologize immediately for comparing a racist drag act with an act of violence.
Drew, Toronto Ontario
12/21/12 10:59 AM EST
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"Violence"
I think he means "structural" violence. It's academic jargon. Violence as a concept is quite broad when talking about oppression and histories of oppression.
Anon, A ON
12/21/12 12:08 PM EST
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Sensationalist to the core
It appears the note "published" on the Huffington Post was in fact a blog entry by the author himself. A convenient oversight which suggests to me that instead of a valid concern about the impact this performance had on the community, Mr. Thawer is more interested in becoming the victim at the centre of a cause celebre. The more interesting story here would be in the communication between Donnarama and Mr. Thawer, but it seems that was never his intent.
Dan, Toronto ON
12/21/12 1:05 PM EST
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god is dead including allah
The house of Queer is collapsing up its own white guilt white shame ass. I've never heard of this drag queen nor do I go to any bars but I now support her freedom of expression over Islamic bullying of homosexuals. If some wilting Muslim ninny could not take a drag queen's joke, perhaps he should relocate to Mecca where he will never encounter offensive white drag queens again (unless they are hanging from barbed wire in the public square). Islam is the enemy of homosexuality. As are all the God Corporations. The action by this Muslim bully are indicative of the bullying that occurs when Queer Inc.'s fear of racism is used to further Islamic entrenchment against homosexuals in Toronto.
all religion off earth now, Toronto Ontario
12/21/12 1:14 PM EST
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The details are important
The use of the bindi rely belies Donnarama's claim to have a meaningful political message to her work. How does wrapping south asians into her supposedly 9/11 related 'art' make any sense? It is ugly racialized blackface for cheap laughs and it should be called out as such.
Matt, Toronto Ontario
12/21/12 1:32 PM EST
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Gays at the bottom of hierarchy of oppression
I'm assuming that Thawer fights very hard against the RAMPANT homophobia in Islam that is about a billion times larger than any perceived "Islamophobia" in the Queer community. Sounds like racial hegemony to me - the privileging of racism over homophobia and sexism. It's a lot easier to scream murder at the Queer community because the dominant heteroculture are more okay with it than criticizing a religion. I'll respect Thawer when he starts being homophobia in Islam, otherwise he just sounds like a whiney coward.
Sammy, Toronto Ontario
12/21/12 3:05 PM EST
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Typo
Sorry - that's fight homophobia in Islam!
Sammy, Toronto Ontario
12/21/12 3:07 PM EST
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The Details are VERY Important
I watched Donnarama's spring performance on YouTube. Albeit she was wearing a burka but not a bindi at the time, she DID cross herself, and therefore it can be argued that her performance targets RELIGION in general not just Islam. Would Mr. Thawer have been as upset if another faith/group/ was targeted. Also, there is A SLIGHT BUT IMPORTANT difference between the HuffPo and the Facebook versions of Mr. Thawer's rant. The Huffpo piece stops at "The community is for all fags." whereas his FACEBOOK rant reads, "The community is for all fags not just whites and ZIONISTS. How is this statement NOT racist? Also, I would like to know where our community stands of free speech in general. A couple of summers back, we fought very hard for the inclusion of Queers Against Israeli Apartheid, arguing that, although the term was offensive to members of the Jewish community, it was not racist and did not constitute hate speech because it was a form of criticism. Is there a double standard in place? If we are to fight for free speech in our community then we must be prepared to accept that somebody may someday say something that will offend us. Did Donnarama call for the extermination or the exclusion of Muslims? If not then how is this hate speech or violence? Our community constantly pokes fun at political, religious and cultural figures of all stripes, faiths and persuasions. Should we stop doing this? Or should we limit ourselves to satirizing the "dominant" groups that inflicted this act of "violence" upon Mr. Thawer, namely, as he states, "the whites and the zionists." (His failure to capitalize not mine).
Jake, Toronto On
12/21/12 3:25 PM EST
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Donnarama vs. Thawer
Hmmm...a "tasteless" drag performer. Will wonders never cease?
Almost An Old Fart, Toronto Ontario
12/21/12 4:32 PM EST
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you couldn't...
You couldn't buy this kind of publicity ;)
Jhammer, HAMMERTOWN ONT
12/21/12 4:44 PM EST
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Nope, not a Muslim Issue
Ok, I know this is the internet so we have to be prepared for some entitled, whiney comments (at best, and trolling at worst) but man, does this get old. To Rahim Thawer - bravo for speaking up and for calling out a community that you yourself belong to, which in its greatest moments, provide love, support, belonging and so much amazing sass, but in its worst, can be smug, bigoted, uncritical, and tired. It's so interesting and telling that commnetator after commentator has positioned 'the queer community' versus "Muslim ninnies" (wow, congratulations, you self-hating queer) and that there are actual justifications for queer people bullying other queer people. There has been a call for 'dialogue', demands that the 'dialogue' between Rahim and Donnarama are made public, calls for Rahim to play nice, wait his turn politely, speak quietly and accept with folded hands the rules set by white gays who are just having a little fun at the expense of some of the more weird queers. Fuck that. This performance was racist bullshit. It wasn't art or commentary or parody or burlesque or transgressive or funny or cute or sassy or outageous. It was racist, lazy, ugly, talentless bullshit. And it got called out by someone because they are critical and political and care about shameful, oppressive behaviour that he witnessed in his community. And to try and make this an issue of "a Muslim" making a big deal of this because it's a "Muslim Issue" only further reveals the ugly ugly racism so sadly rampant in Toronto's queer community. Shameful.
ttt, Toronto ON
12/21/12 5:01 PM EST
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The world does not care about you, Thawer
Thawar is a winny bitch, that can't take a joke. I'm sure that if this crass drag queen was dressed as a catholic nun he wouldn't have said anything. Also Thawar sounds like a tool, a privileged university queen, that uses words like, ''racialized'' & ''queer/muslim'' & ''violence.'' Spare me the lame assed white oppression bullshit you pompous ninny. No one assaulted you. No one played a game of, ''church street baseball'' on your skull. If you think that some drag queen is being violent then you clearly have led the most privileged life imaginable. FYI, gay men being murdered in Iran, that's violence, muslim people being exterminated back in the Balkans during the 90's, that's violence. A drag queen offending some anti-Semitic, racist visible minority, that's not violence.
Mike, Edmonton AB
12/21/12 5:04 PM EST
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thanks for the mansplaining!
@Mike from Alberta: Oh NO! WORDS!! WORDS WERE USED BY RAHIM THAWER TO DESCRIBE A THING! How very dare he. Also he's apparently anti-Semetic because he's offended by this awful display but should shut up and take it because he's a Muslim/racist ninny who can't take a joke - the logic, you are doing it wrong. The racism, you are doing it right! Congratulations.
ttt, Toronto ON
12/21/12 6:00 PM EST
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Get Over It!
Sweet Jesus. Sounds to me this is a display about all religion and not just islam. This is Canada and if he don't it he should go back to the middle east. I'd suggest he change his hairstyle and accessories tho plus act more like a man. You know how they are over there.
Streel, Toronto ontario
12/21/12 6:41 PM EST
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More White guilt?
More white guilt? What a joke. Critiquing a privileged and educated person who happens to be slightly darker colour then myself doesn't make me racist. The performance was not violence, bullying or hate speech. It's a fucking drag queen...A DRAG QUEEN we better watch out, she might take over parliament!!! And yes using stupid, faux academic language, that he probably picked up in some first year woman's studies course makes Mr. Thawer a ninny. Also GLBT culture makes fun of and sexualizes religious icons all the time, especially Christian ones. This particular instant is no different... It's one thing to say that the performance was offensive and walk out, he had every right to do that. It's a whole other thing to call it violent and racist and then cry and bitch that the community doesn't accept you. That alone is utterly offensive because it clearly shows that Thawer does not understand what racism, violence and white supremacy actually are. Thawer is a racist and an anti-semite, read his facebook note. He accuses white people of, ''hegemony'' and other stupid crap, like ''zionism.'' Thawer represents everything wrong with the community, he is self-entitled, self indulgent, overly sensative, politically hypocritical, and most damning of all, privileged.
Mike, Edmonton Ab
12/21/12 6:49 PM EST
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This is Canada
What an astute observation, thanks for letting us know. Mr. Thawer is not from the Middle East so your suggestion he 'go back there' is... let's go with silly (but actually, racist).
drum, Toronto ON
12/21/12 6:51 PM EST
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Most Damning of all!
Ok Alberta Mike, why don't you teach us all about white supremacy and violence. You seem to have some deep insight. Apparently it's no fun/not relevant until someone gets (to use your words) to play "church street baseball" on someone else's skull. Awesome.
ttt, Toronto ON
12/21/12 6:58 PM EST
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QuAIA has changed the LGBT community - forever
One of the above commenters made a good point. In the last fews years, we have seen numerous gay and lesbian Muslims supporting QuAIA and arguing that QuAIA should be able to march in the Pride parade for reasons of free speech - even though many Jewish people (including many Jewishs gay men and lesbians) find QuAIA's name and messaging at Pride to be deeply offensive, inaccurate and hurtful. QuAIA has changed the LGBT community - forever. We now no longer have to pretend to be nice to each other or to care about not offending each other. As a result of QuAIA, Pride is no longer about LGBT unity and mutual respect - it's now about free speech and using propaganda against your enemies. So, I have no patience for gay and lesbian Muslims who have gleefully supported QuAIA in the last few years (even though they knew QuAIA deeply offends many Jews) and now claim to be offended by a drag show by Donnarama.
David, Toronto ON
12/21/12 7:28 PM EST
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WTF QuAIA?!
David, apples and oranges. And deflection. QuAIA isn't/wasn't about making anti-Semitic mockeries of stereotypes about Jewish people (apparently otherwise known as 'art'), it was about criticizing the political practices and policies of Israel. Also - I'm sorry, what exactly is the "gleeful" link between Rahim Thawer and QuAIA that you've found? Oh because he's Muslim he's automatically implicated in something you actually know nothing about? Right, gotcha.
ttt, Toronto ON
12/21/12 7:58 PM EST
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Way to go Donnarama!!!
Finally, the gloves are off. Long overdue to start challenging this bullshit around the defence of religion and change the REAL conversation we should be having about religion in our society under the guise of racism. Our problem in Canada (and most other countries) is Religious Tolerance and not Religious Intolerance and it his high time we quit trying to placate these institutions out of so-called respect and tell them what we really think. DONT STOP HERE!!! Not till we get ALL religion out of government, public education & public spaces. While Islam is high on my list, I have a special axe to grind with Catholics and Christian Evangelicals. So, Donna, make sure you really offend them as well to ensure you are an equal opportunity offender. And Rahim.... BE A REAL MAN!!! Go to an Islamist country and publicly speak out about the atrocities committed against your LGBT community. Then I and many might have an ounce of respect for you.
Colin Brownlee, Puerto Viejo Limon, Costa Rica
12/21/12 8:13 PM EST
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@ttt
ttt, I don't know why I am bothering to respond to your post above since it's obvious that nothing I say will change your mind. I guess this post is really for other readers. The message of anti-Israel groups like QuAIA is a form of anti-Semitism. The supporters of anti-Israel groups like QuAIA often come from homes and backgrounds with anti-Semitic, anti-American and anti-Western ideologies. By harnessing these disparate ideologies, anti-Israel groups like QuAIA target the Jewish people by targeting the Jewish homeland, Israel, as the source of injustice and conflict in the world. These groups use, perversely, the language of human rights to do so. When Israel (the only country in the world whose very existence is under attack) is consistently and conspicuously singled out for condemnation, it is a form of anti-Semitism. At Pride, QuAIA condemns Jewish people living in Israel, but ignores the human rights abuses of Israel’s Muslim enemies who persecute gays and oppress women. The 3 D’s of anti-Israel groups like QuAIA are demonization, double standards and de-legitimization. While people like you are constantly told that many gay and lesbian Jews finds QuAIA’s name and messaging at Pride to be deeply offensive, inaccurate and hurtful, you constantly ignore what you are told. You dismiss us when we tell you how QuAIA makes us feel at Pride. So, I am content to have nothing more to do with people like you. We are enemies.
David, Toronto ON
12/21/12 9:23 PM EST
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Enemies?
Well that's too bad David. And here I thought we were having a nice chat. You seem to know a lot about 'people like me' without, according to yourself, ever wanting to have anything with 'people like me'. Maybe when you're a little bit older, you'll learn what adult conversation is like. Or, maybe like nationalists everywhere, you will continue to use hyperbole, tired rhetoric and narrative blinders for the rest of your life.
ttt, Toronto ON
12/21/12 11:51 PM EST
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Donnarama will get a “fatwa” placed on her head
It is possible to criticize/question any religion —except Islam. It is a dictatorship. Even whiney Muslim queens object to criticism of Islam, even though Islam would mutilate and/or murder them for being queer. Recently, Montreal Muslim Gays took action to stop an imported Muslim anti-Gay bigot from spreading hatred from stage. On the other hand, the passive Toronto Muslim queers who escaped from the tyranny of Islam continue to worship a religion which persecutes them. Why don’t they advocate freedom for Gays in Muslim countries, at the Pride Parade? Why don't they protest the Anti-gay imams who advocate violence against Gays at the annual Muslim Conference in Toronto? Probably because they would be killed as apostates. Islam is the most violent of all religions, in writing and in practice. But all religions are a sham. All of them should be made fun of. And in Canada we still have that right. Donnarama will probably get a “fatwa” placed on her head. She will have to go into hiding by wearing a niqab even to Metro for groceries, where other face-covered Niqabiahs shop. She will have to do her shows wearing a burqa.
Joe, TO ON
12/22/12 2:37 AM EST
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Right on Joe!!
In fact the African Caribbean LGBT community in Toronto does EXACTLY THE SAME THING! The are always calling the racism in Toronto community, but never show up with a float at Caribbana. I have been listening to this crap for 20 + years. How many of them have done ANYTHING of substance campaigning within their own community combatting the extreme homophobia that permeates? No, it's real easy to take pot shots at white gay males and try and make it look like they actually stand for something. And why? Because we have pandered to this politically correct bullshit and even encourage it. What happened to the days that Pink Triangle Press would mock the Catholic church? Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence were cover material. Now after being reprimanded and criticized by Xtra's editors and staffers for my strong views on this subject, I have suggested on many occasions we have an open dialogue about this. Not a peep! They wait for a reposted story from mainstream media (Huffington "re"-Post) because they don't want to look like they are missing out. It is very obvious people in the community have very passionate views about this subject and yes, it is a touchy one. But with PTP's history claims of not being afraid of controversy, I really expected more. Now to have a discussion on these types of subjects, we have to resort to internet forums. And they wonder why print and other mainstream mediums are fast becoming irrelevant?
Colin Brownlee, Puerto Viejo Costa Rica
12/22/12 9:04 AM EST
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I am a PROUD WHITE GAY MALE
I have been active in the the Gay Communities for about 35 years. On top of being one of the people responsible for the survival of this very organization (PTP/Xtra) that I have been involved with for 20+ years, I am proud that I and my white gay male (and female ... come to think of it a couple Trans as well) friends have relentlessly participated (yes, long before "click"tivism) on almost every issue of large substance surrounding the equal rights of LGBT community. One of our biggest accomplishments that really resonate most with me (WAY MORE THEN THE RIGHT TO MARRY), is that while Canada is far from perfect, at least there is a chance that we can save some our brothers and sisters from persecution and a good possibility of death and offer them a chance at a life with the rights and freedoms I enjoy today. When I read stories about LGBT people finding freedom in Canada, I am a PROUD WHITE CANADIAN GAY MALE. But, I still sometimes well up when I read these stories of LGBT persecution and am frustrated we can't do more. So Rahim, if you and your friends got an issue with this, COME TALK TO US WHITE GAY MEN FACE to FACE. You can hear our stories and yes, we want to hear yours. Don't sit hiding behind your keyboard and think you are actually doing something substantial to better the lives of other persecuted people.
Colin Brownlee, Puerto Viejo Costa Rica
12/22/12 9:28 AM EST
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JIHAD comes in many forms...
jihad - a holy struggle or striving by a Muslim for a moral or spiritual or political goal....Good thing I know it when I see it.
Susan, San Diego CA
12/22/12 10:47 AM EST
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No
@David Not that this has anything to do with the article, but... "The message of anti-Israel groups like QuAIA is a form of anti-Semitism." Having been to Israel myself, there are Jewish groups within Israel who make the same criticisms of Israeli policies. Are they antisemitic? It does a real disservice to the Jews who have actually suffered from antisemitism to conflate the two.
Mike, Toronto ON
12/22/12 12:21 PM EST
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I think Donnarama's last comment is fine
I think whenever people are upset about a performance, they should be willing to converse with the performer and let him or know how they feel. Dialogue is always preferable to censorship. Kudos to Donnarama for being willing to dialogue.
JC, Vancouver BC
12/22/12 12:38 PM EST
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When I Blow Up
These are shock artists. I saw this number and I admit I cracked up...she changed the "Grow" to "Blow" and the song then read "When I blow up...", shit sorry, I'm laughing right now
Frankie, Toronto Ontario
12/22/12 4:43 PM EST
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As far as advocacy in one's own community...
If you look him up, Mr. Thawer is involved in several muslim-identified groups, both for LGBT folk and advocating within mainstream orgs, so that critique doesn't really stick. In any case, the problems of one community don't justify those of another.
Matt, Toronto ON
12/22/12 5:56 PM EST
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Google search of Rahim Thawer
From a Google search, it appears that the above posts by Joe and Colin Brownlee are correct and the last post by Matt is wrong. Rahim Thawer seems to advocate for gay Muslim issues within the gay community, the HIV community and the social services community, but NOT within the straight Muslim community in Toronto or elsewhere. He seems to constantly trash white people and Israel, but NOT homophobic Muslims, homophobic Muslim countries or the homophobic religion of Islam. Yet, he condemns Canada Day and Canadian nationalists. In a September 12, 2013 internet posting, he wrote: (quote) I seriously dislike Canada Day - each year is a nonsense celebration of European colonization while still, in 2012, not understanding the impact it's had on indigenous communities here or investing enough to correct the intergenerational trauma along with its other psychosocial-economical consequences. As someone born in Canada of parents who emigrated to this country, I declare my national Pride with great caution. I don't want to be thankful for being free and having rights - I should be able to be an out gay South Asian Muslim Canadian without having to fight for anything. I'd rather not pat White colonizers on the back for welcoming me into a country they raped; it further legitimizes White power. Finally, I think there needs to be great caution with equating things we see as progressive with national identity because it creates a dichotomy that inadvertently labels all other ways of thinking and being as backward. Basically, the caution re-creating Israel's pinkwashing (as an example) in a Canadian context, which we often already do. (end of quote) Source: http://wherehopetakesroot.blogspot.ca/2012/07/dark-side-of-nationalism.html
Ray, Toronto Ontario
12/22/12 10:09 PM EST
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Correcting a typo
Sorry, the above reference should have been to a September 13, 2012 posting, rather than a September 12, 2013 posting. Scroll all the way down on the following page to see it: http://wherehopetakesroot.blogspot.ca/2012/07/dark-side-of-nationalism.html
Ray, Toronto Ontario
12/22/12 10:15 PM EST
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Protecting vulnerable clients
Rahim Jaffer works for the Hassle Free Clinic and the AIDS Committee of Toronto. See http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/rahim-thawer/30/44a/402 Given that vulnerable people go to those organizations seeking assistance with very personal issues, I hope those organizations are aware of Rahim Thawer's constant public rants against certain groups and have measures in place to prevent people from those groups from being assigned to him.
Ray, Toronto Ontario
12/22/12 10:32 PM EST
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Google Search? Never crossed my mind...
Thanks, Ray. His comments that you quote are exactly what I would have expected. Just like the Guatemalan woman I used to work with who screamed in my office I was a racist because I said I did not like corn tortillas after living in Central America for 6 years and much preferred floured ones from Mexico. Same fucking crap. Again, despite my concern about this serious public accusation, no one called her on it. They would not dare! "I should be able to be an out gay South Asian Muslim Canadian without having to fight for anything." Here is something to fight for... http://youtu.be/DSSAfBsPzsI Offended Rahim? So AM I!!!
Colin Brownlee, Puerto Viejo Costa Rica
12/22/12 11:06 PM EST
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He's a fool
His comments show just how much of an entitled twit Rahim Thawar is. His words scream of someone who is spoiled and totally ungrateful for all of the freedoms given to him by this nation and it's ''white colonizers.'' Rahim Thawar you are a racist piece of shit. If Canada and our gay community is so bad then emigrate from here. Go immigrate to one of the non-white countries that are so much more accommodating.
Mike, Edmonton ab
12/23/12 12:02 AM EST
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Thawer shows how to make a leftist right wing
Ray, thank you for the research on this monster of self-entitled hatred. Rahim Thawer represents everything that is wrong with so-called "multiculturalism" in Canada. Can you imagine immigrating to Rahim Thawer's home country and then trashing every single thing about it constantly because it did not prove a paradise for YOU. Try the USA, Rahim Thawer. It is a far better fit than racist colonialist Canada. btw the social services in Toronto are filled with people like Rahim Thawer who manipulate the system of "community" services to get jobs then use their power and privilege to trash whitey while misrepresenting Islam as a progressive Queered culture. Nasty person.
david, Toronto Ontario
12/23/12 8:01 AM EST
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toronto the village of small nuts
ps Toronto is made up of a huge number of (formerly gay) white males who now identity as Queer in the political meaning (against everything) and queer in the personal identity sense (since they hate the commercial and superficial parts of media gay "culture" they will not use the label "gay" so claim to be queer and not homosexual/gay but some new fluid gender bi-ish non-heteronormative shit all the while still sucking cock and pretending to love cunt especially on transmen). These Queered shit don't stink ninnies are so shame-based about their whiteness that they worship people like Rahim Thawer the way a New Age nitwit worships a channelled guru. Every PC tongue lash by Thawer makes these queer nincompoops cum with redemption and reparations for their forebears white racist sins. What a provincial hog town this tiny brained little Toronto really can be. And like PT Barnum, third world fury brats such as Thawer who have a good reading of this town are leading these queer suckers around like duped mugs. No wonder we have Ford and the Toronto Sun.
david, Toronto Ontario
12/23/12 8:15 AM EST
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Pressures of being Muslim and queer
Rahim Thawer once wrote an article on the pressures of being Muslim and queer. As a teenager, he believed that:(quote) Being both Muslim and queer always seemed like mutually exclusive identities to me. The ideological clash meant I simply could not be both(end of quote). However, as an adult, he has attempted to reconcile the two. He wrote that: (quote) I’ve settled on identifying with my Muslim identity on a cultural and political level (end of quote). The full article is at http://ethnicaisle.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/please-label-your-baggage-a-queer-muslim-unsilenced/
Ray, Toronto Ontario
12/23/12 8:29 AM EST
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The double standard of leftist queers
What's the problem? Catholic iconic dress has been the subject of many drag queens performances and costumes. Why do leftists put Islam, the far more violent religion towards gays, on a pedestal? Can you spell S-H-A-R-I-A ?
woka, woka woka
12/23/12 10:42 AM EST
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What about making fun of Christianity?
Should we tolerate this kind of disrespect of Christianity? Maybe we should call for a boycott of Youtube for airing this type of inflammatory propaganda against God loving Christians. http://youtu.be/S8cN2pB3MCE
Colin Brownlee, Puerto Viejo Costa Rica
12/23/12 12:19 PM EST
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Picking and choosing from Islam
What's a purportedly sanctimonious Muslim like Rahim Thawer doing in a bar like Woody's anyway? If he's somehow reconciled his homosexuality to his parents’ religion of Islam (which condemns his sexuality), has he also reconciled to being in a bar when Islam condemns alcohol? From a December 15, 2012 Twitter post, it appears that he likes Egg McMuffins from McDonalds. Since Egg McMuffins have bacon, has he also reconciled to eating pork when Islam condemns it? Based on the picture at the following link, it appears that he is also not following the Muslim prohibitions against immodesty: http://sassywire.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/screen-shot-2012-12-21-at-10_18_22-am-png.jpg?w=500 It's interesting to see what aspects of Islam Rahim Thawer has discarded (e.g., prohibitions against homosexuality, alcohol, pork and immodesty) and what aspects he continues to follow (e.g., hatred of Israel, sitting in judgment of others).
Ray, Toronto Ontario
12/23/12 2:50 PM EST
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Fascist Islamic Conference: Where's Thawer+Salaam?
Why does Rahim Thawer and the Gay Muslim group “SALAAM” not protest the Pro Muslim Brotherhood Islamic Conference going on in Toronto? The speakers are pro-Hamas, Anti-Gay and Anti-Semitic fascists who support terror organizations, the killing and mutilating of Gays the destruction of Israel and blowing up of Christian churches. They support Blasphemy laws, which are used to persecute Christians or anyone who wants to question Islam. These speakers are really hardcore mean guys who inspire low-IQ angry idiots to actually kill and maim people in various ways —physically, economically and spiritually. At one point, Islamists sent a retarded teenager to blow herself up as a suicide bomber —despicable. Malala Yousufzai, the 15-year-old girl was also shot in the head by Islamists for wanting an education... Which Muslim queers or Queer-Leftists are protesting this type of shit? Silly drag-queen Donnarama's act is a laughable insignificant childish prank in comparison. http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/this-sat-7pm-jdl-protest-against-the-justin-trudeau-speech-at-the-pro-muslim-brotherhood-islamic-conference/
Joe, TO ON
12/23/12 5:33 PM EST
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“Where there are explosions, there is fire.”
BTW Where the’s smoke there’s fire. “Where there are explosions, there is fire.” Of all the ambush explosions in the world in the past decade how many of them were set by Islamists? Did you say 90% ? If something is true, it cannot be called an insult nor slander. Rahim Thawer should start questioning Islam. It is said that in the Koran every statement has 3 possible levels of meaning. Take for example the term “JIHAD.” The 1st and most base level implies the worldly, concrete meaning of “Struggle” with an opponent, as in war, whereby Muslims are allowed to defend themselves —within certain limits— but not allowed to start a war. The 2nd level of meaning of JIHAD is the “Internal Struggle”: between good and bad actions/thoughts, hate vs compassion, charity vs greed. etc. etc. Rahim should become more introspective about his external JIHAD. What do his criticisms of the world say about his internal struggles? They point to a boiling cauldron of anger inside him. He needs to channel it to fuel more benevolent purposes and expressions than criticizing the world. Rahim, become a role model not a bitchy queen would-be super model.
Joe, TO ON
12/23/12 6:03 PM EST
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Shall we chat about other religions?
When the Pope was in town, I remember a drag queen dressed as a bishop/cardinal/some clergy guy who did a wonderfully offensive act. Around the same time, Sofonda was an ass-kicking Shiva gliding above our heads at a party. Even the B-Girls have lampooned religion in their acts. I don't remember Thawer (or anyone in the so-called "community" threatening a boycott. Drag Queen's offend (they offend me because I find they perpetuate a stereotype I want nothing to do with). From what I understand, the most offensive part of the show was that it wasn't funny.
Kail, Toronto ON
12/23/12 8:11 PM EST
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if he works at act - aids commitee of toronto
then as a gay hiv+ man his radical views makes me feel unsafe. does he "help" hiv+ white men? it would be nice if he could start speaking up in the muslim community and tear that down instead of the gay community. interesting that he works in a community - act - that was created by extraordinary brave men and women, the men who even while dying created the very industry he now gets paid in. something doesn't feel right. i don't know what it is but i don't like it.
kali, toronto ontario
12/23/12 9:42 PM EST
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@kali
Well kali, based on his internet postings, Rahim Thawer does seem to have a grudge against white people. Aside from his anti-Canada Day post which I set out above, a number of his recent Tweets show the same grudge. Since the quotation marks don’t work well in the comment boxes on Xtra.ca, I’ll just give you a sampling of his recent Tweets preceded by a number and the date of the Tweet. Here’s the sampling: (1) December 19, 2012 - Why am I being asked to defend Islam's view on gays bc I pointed out that a white person was Islamophobic? (2) December 19, 2012 - There's some very angry people who disagree with us. Many of them are white. (3) October 8, 2012 - If only the dominant group could see themselves through my lens. I reckon I'd have a softer voice, less sarcasm, & less need for therapy. (4) September 26, 2012 -So inspired by your strength to challenge dom powers that perpetuate oppression. (5) August 8, 2012 - Can we please name it as racism already? Oh, the caution of language when white folks are the perpetrators.
Ray, Toronto Ontario
12/23/12 10:19 PM EST
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lulz
Donnarama gurl, I kind of feel bad for you - these are your supporters? I don't think she's as grateful for your foul-mouthed scary racist hatred as you might imagine. @ Ray, david, Colin Brown, kali, Joe, woka , Mike and the rest of the trolls who have come out from under the bridge to play.
ttt, Toronto ON
12/24/12 1:15 AM EST
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Muslim fundamentalists caused the most murder
@ttt —you're a mouthy idiot and a troll. The things you say are meaningless leftist pap. Donnerama may have put on a cheap shallow show, but that doesn’t diminish the fact that Muslim fundamentalists have caused more ambushed murderers of Christians as well as other Muslims than any one else in the world in the past decade. In her own shallow way, Donnerama has called attention to Muslim extremist murders. She has the right to express her ideologies according to the Canadian Charter of Rights. You may want to defend Rahim Thawer for whatever reason.... But the fact remain that Muslim fundamentalists have caused more murder and maiming of Jews, Christians and other Muslims that any other group. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the greatest number of terrorists are Muslims. Fear is a necessary emotion of self protection. It is better to be safe than sorry.
Joe, TO ON
12/24/12 2:18 AM EST
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Islam is not a race
It's not racist to be critical of Islam, because Islam is not a race. Like all religions it is a moral, political and social ideology. Also, like all religions it is by definition a choice people make. It is not racist to question and critique a person's religious choices or to lampoon those very systems. And with regard to Thawar himself, the tweets that Ray has found are very telling, they show a person who is very self-entitled and self absorbed. He seems to expect that the whole of Canadian society should accommodate him and his religious choices. They also show a man who very clearly hates white people. He blames them for the oppression and ''hegemony'' that supposedly keeps him down. Not once, have I ever said that, ''brown'' people were oppressive or cruel or evil. I have criticized his belief system and the racist, hypocritical and faux academic venom that he spews across the internet. As one poster already noted, it is very disconcerting that racist man like Thawar would work in such delicate positions. I hope that his current employers and any future employers see this page and follow the links provided to get a glimpse at this man's hateful nature.... And by the way Rahim, I'm mixed race, not white and my income level is below the poverty line. So can the white oppression bull shit. They're not the only ones offended by your crap and You are not the champion of minorty rights you pretend to be.
Mike, Edmonton AB
12/24/12 2:44 AM EST
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PULLEASE!!
PUllEASE!!! NO dilemma. Drag queen being drag queen=end of story. Since when are drag queens politically correct????? Get a life Rahim & stop going to drag show or you will be offended a lot more as many are from all stripes, lol.
james dubro, toronto ontario
12/24/12 9:08 AM EST
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"White guilt" is code.
Ugh. At this rate, if a drag show were ever performed in actual blackface, anyone who objected to it would be met with cries of "WHY AREN'T YOU DEFENDING GAY RIGHTS IN UGANDA?!!" Apparently, anyone who didn't actually laugh at this act is either over-sensitive or has been subverted by therr merrslerrms... ("Ahyuck.")
Hesitant, Toronto Ontario
12/24/12 12:42 PM EST
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Drag Me To Hell
The more tightly you abide to some historically or culturally inherited or adopted identity, the more likely you risk conflict. Stray outside your homogeneous culture and meet a challenge to your sense of self and you could implode. Great performers fearlessly inhabit and convey the many facets of humanity back to their audience. The career of a skilled performer is an explosion of identities. Thawer got hit by shrapnel. He needs to feel it, take it in, and realize that pain is growth. Life is too short to limit existence to one rigid identity, especially an identity that is nailed to the ground, forever staring backwards into history.
@quinkster, Toronto Ontario
12/24/12 1:20 PM EST
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Islam deserves criticism by “Whitey”
If “White People” are hegemonic imperialists, then what do you call the Muslim invasions of the Middle East and North Africa and Spain from the 6th Century onward. What do you call the Ottoman Empire’s military occupation of the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Europe from the 13th Century onward? And there was no stopping them...Did you know that the Muslims started the African Slave Trade? Did you know that the Koran promotes slavery? “Slaves are a booty of war.” Still today, slavery exists in Muslim Africa. Did you know that Britain inherited the Palestinian situation as war settlement when the Ottomans were finally defeated in WW1. Britain got rid of Palestine by giving it to the Israelis in 1947, and you know the rest of that... So all the people who blame only “Whitey” for imperialism and oppression...Well...Brown and Black and Yellow people have also waged war and maimed and murdered and oppressed others throughout history. The Muslims have been imperialistic since the inception of their religion. Mohammed himself waged war. And he married his favourite wife Ayesha, when she was 9 years old. Hence all over the Muslim world, it is legal to marry girls who are 9 years old —legalized child rape! And they call Gays child molesters, when molesting children is legal in their religion! As well LGBT are very badly treated and even murdered in Islamic countries. Islam in practice leaves itself wide open to criticism...But Islamic countries also have Blasphemy laws (still). Muslims do not dare criticize their culture/religion —not even through Twitter, as they will be jailed or mobbed and killed as is happening in Pakistan. So it is Whitey’s duty to criticize islam, because very few Muslims dare to do it. You go Donnarama.
Joe, TO ON
12/24/12 5:44 PM EST
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A photo of the offensive costume, perhaps?
I'm a bit confused by the description of Donnarama's costume as a "corset made of dynamite sticks" and a traditional Islamic headdress known as a burka. She also had a bindi spot painted on her forehead..." A burka (burqa) covers the body from head to toe, leaving only the eyes exposed (in some cases covered by a lace mesh). If she was wearing an actual burqa (or a niqab, which covers the head and face), the bindi and dynamite sticks would not be visible. Perhaps it was just a headscarf? And while the bindi is usually associated with Indian (Hindu) women, perhaps the Muslim headscarf and Indian bindi were part of a 'mixed metaphor' of questionable meaning. Perhaps the meaning was racist or offensive. Or perhaps the meaning was that Muslim/Hindu women (who we, in the West, often see as dour and obsequious), like to get down and party to Katy Perry just like any other young woman. But drag is a political act, and discussion of such is not necessarily a bad thing.
canmark, Toronto Ontario
12/24/12 6:04 PM EST
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Using the proper terms
canmark raises a good point in the above post. Since the population of fundamentalist Muslims in Toronto is growing and growing, we should all learn the proper names for the different types of Muslim clothing used to cover women's bodies from public view. After all, such clothing represents a growing "look" in Toronto and will probably be the dominant look in the future. The National Post prepared a chart showing the differences between the hijab, the chador, the niqab and the burka. The chart appears about in the middle of the following page: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/20/court-to-decide-if-muslim-woman-can-wear-niqab-on-the-stand-in-assault-case/
Bill, Toronto ON
12/24/12 8:24 PM EST
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Troubling Colour Blind Spots
I don’t disagree that Donnarama did crossed a line and was offensive in the performance mentioned. My objection to Thawer’s article is actually in the narrowness of its scope. I find it problematic that the Thawer writes about this issue as if racism in drag performance is rare and Donnarama is some kind of exception to an otherwise well respected boundary. In the last year, I have personally witnessed Daytona Bitch (another Toronto drag performer who often shares the Woody’s stage with Donnarama), on separate occasions: dressed as a Native American woman slamming shots of Listerine to Pink’s Raise Your Glass, gobbling down a cardboard box of stuffed kittens with the aid of chopsticks while sporting a silk kimono and a black wax gap in her teeth, and introducing a black queen onto the stage with the lead in “you can tell she’s from Africa ‘cause she doesn’t have a clit!” My point is not that because everyone else does it, Donnarama should be allowed to as well. My point is that there is a problem with write an article attacking anti-Muslim racism and framing it as an isolated incident in the drag. By doing so Thawer is passively saying that certain forms of racism are okay, and others aren’t. If racism is unacceptable on stage, all it forms should be equally unacceptable. To ignore racism that targets Aboriginal and Asian culture but boycott and attach another queen for racism that attacks Muslim culture is, for me, is a problem that needs to be addressed. I refuse to believe that someone who identifies themselves as a regular fan of drag in Toronto could be ignorant of Daytona’s performance history. She is a well known queen who performance frequently around Toronto, and over the top racism in performance has long been her signature. I would also like to draw attention to a few phrases in the article such as: “I don't think we need to be completely PC all the time.” And “And by all means BE OUTRAGEOUS” which, in my opinion, are troubling vague given the extrem
Cameron, Toronto Ontario
12/25/12 10:20 AM EST
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Minding his tweets
It would appear that as a result of one of the above comments setting out his past tweets about white people, Rahim Thawer has now locked his Twitter account so it's only viewable by his followers on Twitter. This is probably a good move to protect his social worker positions at Hassle Free Clinic and the AIDS Committee of Toronto. He's the Community Prevention Project Coordinator at Hassle Free (see http://www.hasslefreeclinic.org/Links.php) and a part-time bathhouse counsellor at ACT (http://www.actoronto.org/home.nsf/pages/act.docs.0990).
Jake, Toronto ON
12/26/12 3:02 AM EST
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It is a little disturbing
if his extremist views are accurate yet he works with an extraordinarily vulnerable population including white HIV+ men. It is quite frightening. I fear for those poor men who are clients.
Ryan, Toronto ON
12/26/12 10:51 AM EST
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Drooling mankind, the social beast.
I can only sympathize with Mr. Thawer. Educated in the best Catholic private schools, imagine how I felt when once subjected to a Donnaramma performance: Papal iconography was bandied about; liturgical vessels slipped into immodest spots. All this for the tittylation of a drunken mob. Yes, there are times that we are exposed to the low points of drooling mankind, the social beast. We must set our sights higher, harden our resolve: seek firm and inspired guidance from our true spiritual leaders!
Jean Roddenberry, Vancouver BC
12/26/12 2:17 PM EST
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ACT or Hassle Free take a stand on this?
I dare them.
Colin Brownlee, Puerto Viejo Costa Rica
12/26/12 4:06 PM EST
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Here's a boycott idea
Let's lobby Hassle Free and ACT to prevent this anti-white racist from serving in public facing positions. I know I would be uncomfortable receiving any form of health care from someone who dislikes whites, gays, white gays and canadian society in general as much as Rahim Thawer.
Tired, cranky, Toronto Ontario
12/26/12 7:34 PM EST
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“Exclusion” of vizmins at Woody’s
Could someone please document how nonwhites experience actual “exclusion” at, or from, Woody’s? Complete with documentation of successful human-rights complaints where applicable?
Joe Clark, Toronto ON
12/26/12 8:20 PM EST
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I'm happy
This article actually makes me happy and hopeful in a way. It shows that Canadian society is at least intelligent enough to recognize bull shit when they see it and more importantly not accept it at face value. People may not do ''anything'' about Thawar. Maybe someone will complain to his employers maybe they won't? But at least most of us call him what he is, racist.
Mike, Edmonton AB
12/26/12 11:52 PM EST
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Oh yeah!!
And thanks also to Ray for finding these links and quotes and having the foresight to post them here before Thawer locked his twitter account. I hope everyone can see this man for what he is.
Mike, Edmonton AB
12/26/12 11:58 PM EST
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Thanks!
Thank you, Mike and Ray, for the comments and information. The muddle-headed nonsense often spouted by “anti-racism” (read: “anti-White”?) apologists such as Thawer is — thankfully — being increasingly recognized for what it is: discriminatory, self-serving, and hypocritical claptrap. That our institutions of “higher learning" promulgate this naive and biased discourse, and, what’s worse, that Canadians have accepted it, is dismaying because it means that a significant amount of time will have to pass before this type of “thinking” falls to the wayside. In the meantime, I’m thankful people are challenging it.
Antonio, Toronto ON
01/11/13 2:57 PM EST
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Drag?
This sounds much more like it was a performance piece than a drag number, just saying...I didn't see this but I've seen other numbers that Donnarama has done and they're usually enjoyable. BUT.. challanging an artist and their expression is down right dangerous! I'm sure as soon as it's "safe"" she'll deliver a real smash up side the head of a number addressing this
Jefferson, Toronto Ontario
01/17/13 4:44 PM EST
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It's a drag show after all
I can understand why people are being very sensitive about this, but in all honesty we are talking about "drag" not just "female impersonation". As a longtime legendary fan of Donnarama's I know she has a good heart as well as a briliant mind. She knows what drag is really about where as alot of other drag queens are so dull and mundane with their impressions of Lady Gaga or Beyonce that's is rather dull. I go to her shows because they are extreemly funny and unique. I know with Donnarama I'm going to get something so creative I'll be laughing my head off in anticipatin of that's next, not killing time in betwen cruising. People who found this offensive should talk to her, she's very open minded. Also, take a look at her other work before you judge and I bet you'll be impressed. Food for thought.
Derek, Oakville Ontario
01/18/13 9:57 PM EST
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