Controversial anti-gay Muslim clerics to speak in Toronto
HATE SPEECH / Bilal Philips has been banned from Australia, the UK and Germany
Rob Salerno / Toronto / Friday, October 14, 2011
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UPDATE OCT 14: Toronto Centre MPP Glen Murray has responded in the comments section below that he is not booked to speak at the Carry the Light conference. Instead, he says he "will meet with the people who organized [the conference] tomorrow morning as I believe dialogue and reaching out is important."

OCT 14:
A Muslim cleric who has been banned from Australia, the UK and Germany for his advocacy of death for homosexuals, and who was at the centre of a controversy over an Islamic conference at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre this summer, will be speaking at a similar conference at the University of Toronto Oct 15.
 
Dr Bilal Philips, a preacher who has called for death by stoning for homosexuals and adulterers, will be speaking at the Carry the Light conference being held at the university’s Medical Sciences Building.
 
Another speaker at the conference, Dr Abdullah Hakim Quick, has said that homosexuals want “to take us down with them” by spreading AIDS and has decried the “filth” of Christians and Jews.
 
Bilal Philips, who has been banned from Australia, the UK and Germany for his violent anti-gay speeches, will be speaking at the Carry the Light conference in Toronto on Oct 15.
Quick is also scheduled to speak at the Islamic Education and Research Academy (IERA) conference on Oct 22, which was originally booked at the Sheraton Centre. The IERA Conference is still searching for a venue after the Sheraton Centre evicted it in response to an article in the Toronto Star that listed the record of controversial speech against gays and Jews made by that conference’s keynote speakers.
 
The Carry the Light conference is “a message of peace and love and obedience,” says Hayat Chowdhury, one of the organizers.
 
“We are talking about how to understand Islam and peace and give the message of peace to the people,” Chowdhury says. Philips and Quick are not expected to talk about their controversial anti-gay and anti-Jewish beliefs, he says.
 
“We are not dealing with these sorts of things,” Chowdhury says. “You’ve mentioned it ahead of time. There will be nothing like that.”
 
Egale was not aware that Philips and Quick would be speaking at the Carry the Light conference, executive director Helen Kennedy says. Egale had asked the Toronto Police Service Hate Crimes Unit to investigate the IERA conference.
A call to the University of Toronto’s room-booking service was not immediately returned.

The organizers of the IERA conference have issued an action alert urging members to email the Sheraton Hotel, decrying its decision to cancel the conference’s booking in response to “pressure brought to bear by the Jewish Defence [sic] League and LGBT activists.”
 
The action alert labels groups opposed to the conference as “extreme activists.”
 
“We are an ummah Alhamdulillah [community, praise to God] that is much larger than Jewish and LGBT activists and as an ummah both in Canada and globally we are already contributing immensely to the social welfare of our society and so our voices cannot be drowned out and the truth will not be silenced with the permission of Allah,” the alert reads.
 
 


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Not True
No I was NOT invited to speak and I am not speaking nor am I sharing the stage with anyone. I will meet with the people who organized this tomorrow morning as I believe dialogue and reaching out is important. I only received the program for the conference today and I am not listed as a presenter or speaker. Rob, you and Andrea have my personal cell number if u need to check facts,
Glen Murray, Toronto Ontario
10/14/11 7:42 PM EST
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Free Speech is Our Religion! Says QuAIA!
I guess we can expect the Toronto Free Speech Coalition or whatever they are calling themselves these days to defend this man's "constitutional" right to free speech? Right? He-ll-o?
Nadine, TOronto ONtario
10/14/11 10:34 PM EST
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A sign of the future
I suspect that homophobic fundamentalist Muslims will be making their presence known more and more in Toronto. After years of increasing immigration, I assume fundamentalist Muslims will want to do in Toronto what they did in cities in the Netherlands and other European countries – namely, assert themselves as numerically-significant social and political force that is opposed to homosexuality.
Rick, Toronto Ontario
10/15/11 12:05 AM EST
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Stop before you react
I was not present at the conferences where the so called harsh statements were made. Completely agree that no one has the right to provoke 'hate' towards any group, whether that be homosexuals, minority religions or even animal lovers ! The other side of the story is the speakers state that they only quote what the religion teaches about homosexuality. If this is so, no matter how we want to slice and dice it, no religion on earth encourages homosexuality - whether that be Islam, Christianity, Judaism , Buddism etc. That's the truth and let's not turn a blind eye. Having said that, no religion promotes 'hate' propaganda and instead teaches us that we should agree to disagree on issues and live peacefully amongst all
Nancy, Nusrat On
10/15/11 11:49 AM EST
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Nancy
As an apologist for religious homophobia, I assume that Nancy is either a member of a fundamentalist religion or QuAIA.
Rick, Toronto Ontario
10/15/11 12:29 PM EST
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“Muslims Don't Vote For Gays,” road signs s
If we had complete freedom of every religion, then those that practice animal sacrifice or human sacrifice or voodoo spell casting could freely practice. Religion is limited by law. In Canada we do have “Gay Marriage” enshrined in law and no religion can take that away. But Heteros seem to be able to say “Gay Marriage” but cannot openly talk about “Gay Sex” that happens within Gay Marriage. TMI, TMI, “Too much information.” Too bad...We're here and we're legal and we aren't going away. So the Muslims and Catholics will have to curb their mouths and their religions, because we are legal and our sex is legal. But we cannot be complacent. Our hard won battles are constantly being challenged. We have to fight religious dogmatics not only for ourselves, but for the good of all of society. We have to join forces with Heteros who are also against Fundamentalist preachings. We have to take legal action against Fundamentalists of every religion to charge them with uttering hate. It is only by legal means, or baseball bats, that we will rid ourselves of these hate-mongers. If we allow them to proliferate, they will take over again as they did in past centuries. Another note of warning. As Catholicism wanes Muslims are growing in numbers and power...Look at France and the Netherlands to see the future of Canada. In the last municipal election we saw signs which said, “Muslims don't vote for Gays” They elected Rob Ford to avoid a Gay Mayor. As the Muslim population grows they will be a threat to Gays in various ways.
Finally Reaction, Toronto Ont
10/15/11 4:57 PM EST
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Yes they do!
"Finally Reaction" I have always enjoyed the confidence and votes of the majority of muslims I have represented in every election I have run in. Many members of the large diverse and complex muslim community in Toronto Centre were active in my election team. In Ottawa Centre LGBTQ folks were a big part of MPP Yasir Naqvi's campaign team and important to his success.
Glen Murray, Toronto Ontario
10/15/11 5:25 PM EST
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Religious Accommodation is Bad News for Gays
Hmmmm....can anyone tell me if any of these imams are going to speak at any of the Muslim congregational prayers that are now taking place in Ontario public schools? It's entirely possible....since none of this is taking place under the "auspices" of the school boards. And how's that religious accommodation and Muslim prayer rooms policy working for you, Mr. McGuinty?
xox, xox Ontario
10/15/11 5:42 PM EST
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Glen, Maybe we are both right :-)
Dear Glen, I am glad to hear of your experiences that some Muslims voted for you. Indeed there are Muslims like members of the Muslim Canadian Council (MCC) whom I admire as educated intellectuals. I believe that they would surely vote for you and treat Gays equally. Nonetheless, There were actual road signs which stated that “Muslims Don't Vote For Gays.” It was covered by various news outlets. Also two anti-Gay preachers are scheduled to speak at UofT, they may not vote for you. They may infect others with their hate. There are bound to be some anti-Gay sentiments amongst the 1 million Muslims in Canada, especially amongst the more fundamentally religious types who learn anti-Gay from their Koran and their Imams and their societies. Why would Muslims be suddenly transformed into beings of light as soon as they cross our borders, when all of their societies condemn Gays around the world? The moderates and atheists are always a minority. While we want too be inclusive and egalitarian, we also need to to be vigilant. As Gays, our lives are not really secure. We constantly have to look and listen as to who next wants to take away or repeal our hard won freedoms. Maybe we are both right :-) Glen, along with your political successes, I do admire you as a person. I know I can learn a great deal from you. So I am listening.
Reaction, Toronto Ont
10/15/11 5:59 PM EST
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Religious Accommodation is Bad for Gays
"There are bound to be some anti-Gay sentiments amongst the 1 million Muslims in Canada, especially amongst the more fundamentally religious types who learn anti-Gay from their Koran and their Imams and their societies. Why would Muslims be suddenly transformed into beings of light as soon as they cross our borders, when all of their societies condemn Gays around the world?" I wish more people on the left would ask themselves this question. I wish more Canadians in general would ask this question. In addition to a hatred of gays, the Muslim world does not encourage free and open dialogue on the topic of gay rights. People like Glen Murray think issues with Muslims in Canada will be solved by polite debate. They won't. McGuinty has lost Valley Park Middle School as a public school. That school won't be made public again without violence - nor will any of these Muslim/public schools. What's done as an accommodation is now seen as a right.
xox, xox Ontario
10/15/11 6:22 PM EST
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Muslims voted for Glen...
Of course they voted for you Glen, it is part of their religious duty of Jihad. Did you think they voted for you because they just love the fabulous homosexual you? Do some research for goodness sake. Get over yourself already and get educated.
Quantum, Toronto Ontario
10/16/11 11:57 AM EST
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Please explain
“Of course they voted for you Glen, it is part of their religious duty of Jihad.” ???? “religious duty of Jihad.” ????? What does this mean? Why would they vote for a Gay man out of duty ??? If they dislike Gays, then why would they put a Gay man in power out of duty ??? Please explain.
S.O.S., Toronto Ont
10/16/11 12:54 PM EST
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There will be a protest
Please attend a protest against this Hatefest on October 23.
Meir Weinstein, Toronto Ontario
10/16/11 2:25 PM EST
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Hatefest?
Protest? Hate fest? People seem to be on the edge nowadays .Think everyone needs to calm down. Gay rights is here to stay whether Islam or Christianity denounces it or not. Why so much insecurity if majority of Muslims do not accept homosexuality? They can't influence the law:-) Take a step back. There was and is no hate propaganda.
Nancy, toronto On
10/17/11 12:46 PM EST
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We have to be vigilant to keep what we have
Nancy, “Why so much insecurity if majority of Muslims do not accept homosexuality? They can't influence the law” YOU MEAN THEY CAN'T INFLUENCE THE LAW --YET-- You have a short sighted view of history. Laws can be repealed with a large enough voter base. With increased immigration and reproduction, we in Canada can end up like Europe, with Sharia zones, Muslim Ghettos, where it is not safe for LGBT to walk on the street. Even before it gets to that, there are still Gaybashings in Canada from all sorts of bigots, in spite of the law, and having to go through the lengthy court procedures to uphold the law is such a hassle. We don't want more of that. We have to be constantly vigilant to keep what we have. Nip it in the bud...
Vigilant, Toronto Ont
10/17/11 1:26 PM EST
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vigilant
And the solution is to promote hatred for Muslims? Homosexuality is just one aspect of the religion. There certainly is a lot more to learn. One can't let one belief define the religion. Explore the teachings, understand the beliefs before you bash it! You can choose to disagree with some beliefs. 'Muslim Ghettos' seems to be a quite racist remark. I am sure you wouldn't be caught making that comment about African Americans. Such language doesnot bring benefit to any party.
Nancy, toronto Ontario
10/17/11 5:15 PM EST
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Muslims all different
It seems that a lot of people are forgetting that not all Muslims are the same, there are many Islamic sects just like there are many Christian sects. Only a relatively small number, particularly the Wahabbi (sp?) sect and I think 1 other, supports the death penalty at all for any crimes let alone for being queer. Only Iran regularly executes queers, even in other Muslim states that do have the death penalty for queers its almost never used. Some Muslim countries have no laws at all against same-sex sex, though there is strong social disapproval. Regardless if people actually got to know a variety of Muslims they'd realize that they aren't much different from anyone else. There are fundamentalists in all religions, including Christian fundamentalists in the US who are also calling for the death penalty for queers, yet no one gets bent out of shape by them. I'm out at work and have worked with many different Muslims over the years, none of whom ever treated me any differently at all after learning I'm queer, however two of my Christian co-workers who used to be friendly with me started avoiding me like the plague after learning I'm queer. In fact in my entire life the ones who have ever harassed me for being queer in any way were Christians, well and a tiny number of Jewish people too, but never Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or any other religion. These two preachers should be protested, investigated for hate speech and banned from Canada. But that doesn't mean all Muslims share their views at all just like how only a small number of Christians are calling for the death penalty for queers but not all. The death penalty for queers appears in the Jewish Torah, Christian bible and Muslim koran, and btw the way they all worship the exact same god, just in different ways. Keep focused on the haters, but don't assume everyone in whatever religion is as hate filled as their fundamentalists. All people are individuals after all.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
10/17/11 5:33 PM EST
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Christian fundies also calling for death to queers
Here are a few links, there are many more, to stories about Christian fundamentalists calling for the death penalty for queers. Considering how large a number of Christian fundies agree with them and how much influence they have in right wing political circles, schools, and internationally isn't it odd that they get ignored while two Muslim fundie preachers make huge news for saying the exact same sorts of things. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2615813 and http://www.bilerico.com/2011/02/high_school_column_calls_for_death_penalty_for_gay.php and http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peter_J._Peters and http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/21/christian-leader-supports-death-penalty-for-gays/ and http://twospirits.blogspot.com/2005/04/death-penalty-advocates-for-gays-etc.html and http://www.alternet.org/story/144240/cult_of_conservative_christian_gopers_backs_death_penalty_for_gays_with_hiv__ and http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr3.htm and http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr2.htm and http://www.au.org/media/church-and-state/archives/2010/02/religious-right-activist.html It only took me a few minutes to find all these examples of Christian fundies calling for the death penalty for queers online and I stopped collecting links, though there were very many more, figuring I had more than enough to make my point that Christian fundamentalists are saying the same things as these two Muslim fundamentalist preachers yet everyone ignores the Christian fundies and only focus on the Muslim ones. Study something about Islam online and you'll see its just as diverse a religion as Christianity is, with as wide a range of beliefs and practices as any other religion. Muslims are only scary if you've never interacted with a number of different ones and have no idea about them except what you read in war stories in the MSM. If you had you'd have realized they're much the same as anyone else.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
10/17/11 6:12 PM EST
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Xtians not in the schools
Rich, Christian fundamentalists are not having ministers come in to conduct services in Toronto public schools.
xox, xox Ontario
10/17/11 6:41 PM EST
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This is NOT a condemnation of ALL Muslims
Nancy, you are also selective in your readings and viewpoints. You did not notice, “where it is not safe for Gays/LGBT to walk on the street.” That is my only concern. You obviously don't read European news. There are Muslim Ghettos, in Europe (as there are ghettos of other minority groups who make up 30% or more, of the population in that area) AND blah, blah, not all Muslims are the same, as not all Christians are the same...Some Muslims love Gays...We all know that. It is the Fundamentalists we need to fear in any religion. Some of those Fundamentalists have Graduate Degrees and they are the ones who incite the cruder physical ones to violence. The end result is the same. The “Moderate Muslims” who fit into the societies in which they live are threatened by the Fundamentalists with death threats. The killing of Ministers in Pakistan proves that the threats are real. This also exists; read the news. But there seems to be a larger % of Muslim Fundamentalists and they are creating problems all around the world. Read the news. BTW We already have an 80% Muslim concentration at Valley Park Middle School in Toronto. How are LGBT students treated there? But we can't call it a ghetto because you would label it as racist, even though Muslim is a religion not a race. Actually it is a RACE to get SHARIA LAW instituted around the world. Not all Muslims in Western countries want Sharia, but a large enough percentage do, who are constantly pushing to get it. All it takes is numbers, which are growing. Even the Archbishop of Canterbury said Sharia was unavoidable in Britain. So far it was tried and squashed in Canada. Things can change...We need to be vigilant... Such as with the 2 anti-Gay speakers in Toronto. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7232661.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5CZ_AVyRzg
Vigilant, Toronto Ont
10/17/11 7:51 PM EST
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re: xox
Christian fundamentalists may not be in our public schools but they are in many Christian schools in Toronto. not to mention in right wing politics in Canada, there's a group within the Con party that is pushing to take away equal marriage and to make same-sex sex illegal again. of course they have no chance of succeeding due to our Charter of Rights. Plus Christian fundamentalists are making huge inroads into US public schools but also more recently into public schools in the UK, though at a lower rate than in the US. Christian fundamentalists have way more influence and power in our society than do Muslim fundamentalists. Don't let yourself get run over by an elephant while you're looking for a mouse.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
10/17/11 9:49 PM EST
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Rich
Rich, one problem with your arguments: Glen Murray isn't planning to meet with Christian fundamentalists. He's planning to meet with the organizers of the Muslim fundamentalist conference. As a result of immigration in recent years, fundamentalist Muslims constitute a stronger voting bloc in many Toronto ridings than fundamentalist Christians.
Mark, Toronto Ontario
10/17/11 10:57 PM EST
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Politically Correct is the new Fascism
Rich, 2 billion Muslims in the world is a huge mouse. 1 million Muslims in Canada and growing, is quite a good voting block. The majority of Muslims are very conservative. They helped to elect Rob Ford. Even the highly educated moderate Muslims of the Muslim Canadian Council (MCC) have received death threats and warn against the Muslim Fundamentalist threat in Canada. Ayaan Hirsi Ali also warns against the politically correct westerners who refuse to accept the Fundamentalist Muslim threat. Growing Muslim numbers mean more conservative votes, which is bad for LGBT. Fundamentalist Christians have been trying to take away our hard won Gay rights, but Fundamentalist Muslims are adding to their numbers against us. To ignore that is suicide. Politically correct people with blinders on, are as dangerous as the Fundamentalists. Politically Correct is the new Fascism.
Politically Correct, GTA Ont
10/18/11 12:08 AM EST
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Muslims DID VOTE for Glen Murray
I am a Muslim who lives in Toronto Centre, I am also involved with some Muslim organizations downtown. I want to first say that in the past election YES I VOTED FOR GLEN MURRAY. The reason I voted for him was he had an excellent platform. I like the vast majority of Muslims in this country, like all Canadians, vote based on merit and platform and not based on sexual orientation or any other trait that has nothing to do with their capabilities as an elected official. Kathleen Wynne who is a lesbian won in the most densely Muslim populated areas in Canada, a large part of her campaign team were in fact Muslim. And Muslims are more likely to support liberal and left leaning candidates as they support both LGBTQ and Muslim rights, while those on the radical right (ie: Bill Whatcott, Christian Heritage Party) who oppose gay rights also oppose rights of Muslims. I am not a fan if IERA, nor am I a fan of MCC as they are both rather extreme in their own rights. I am also not a fan of the JDL whose website believes that Islam is not a religion, primarily in an attempt to curtail religious freedoms of muslims. Finally, Glen and those who are sensible on this thread, please do not argue with conspiracy theorists, as your time can be used for more productive things.
Amir, Toronto ON
10/19/11 1:26 AM EST
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“Islamism as a major threat to Canada's security.”
“MCC welcomes Prime Minister Harper identifying 'Islamism' as a major threat to Canada's security.” “TORONTO - The Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) has urged the Canadian and U.S. Governments to understand and challenge the fundamental ideological doctrine that inspires Islamic Terrorism and draws countless young men and women born in the West to hate the societies that sustain and nurture them.” “In a statement issued on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the USA, the MCC said, “Ten years and a trillion dollars later, we are more vulnerable to our enemy’s machinations than we were on that sunny September morning of 2001 when evil rained hell from the skies.”” http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/ ISLAMIC_HATE_FEST_BOOTED_FROM_TORONTO_HOTEL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_QbeMxtDl0 SURPRISE__FUNDAMENTALISTS_EXIST_AND_THEY_ARE_NOT_LIBERAL They are the same as the JDL and the Christian Fundamentalists, but more likely to blow you up, based on their work around the world, including the Toronto 18. ALSO there are Moderate Liberal Muslims as well. It's not all or nothing. Both exist. Thankyou for voting for Glen Murray.
Reality Check, GTA Ont
10/19/11 4:43 AM EST
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KILL THE GAYS HATEFEST
and putrid display has moved to a venue in mega hate city Mississauga! On the John Oakley 640am radio program today speaker Bilal Philips the Islamist scholar (who was born in Canada) was again condoning the murder/killing of gay people. I had to turn it off, it made me physically ill. JIHAD in motion.
druckster, toronto ontario
10/19/11 8:19 AM EST
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Incitement to violence...
Any person who publicly advocates death or violence against LGBT persons is inciting hatred, and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. There is no religiously based exemption for such incitement - nor should there be. It does not matter what theology motivates the speaker. Any religion that espouses such hatred should be challenged - whether it is Islamic, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh etc...
Know1, Toronto Ontario
10/20/11 1:29 AM EST
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My previous comment is factually wrong...
Section 320 of the Criminal Code of Canada (b) permits religiously motivated hate speech. In other words, if an individual incites others to violence against LGBT persons but that individual is making a sincere interpretation of a religious text, then they are exempt from this law. Utterly outrageous! This exemption cannot be allowed to stand. I wonder if Glen Murray or Bob Rae support Section 320 as it is currently worded? If not, what are they prepared to do about it?
Know1, Toronto Ontario
10/20/11 9:50 AM EST
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Religious Accommodation
Section 320 of the Criminal Code of Canada (b) permits religiously motivated hate speech. In other words, if an individual incites others to violence against LGBT persons but that individual is making a sincere interpretation of a religious text, then they are exempt from this law. Coming soon to a public school near you via religious accommodation and Muslim prayer rooms. Thanks, McGuinty.
xox, xox Ontario
10/20/11 4:35 PM EST
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Hate speech in Canada
@ Xox I have disagreed with your pro-Israel and anti-Muslim tirades in past threads. I oppose all religiously motivated hate speech and refuse to focus solely on Muslims - nor do I give them a pass. I remind you that World Pride in Jerusalem inspired a unified response from the 3 Abrahamic religions: a vtriolic condemnation of all LGBT people for desecrating their holy land for the great crime of daring to march in public. You see this issue as an excuse to ride your favourite hobby horse of anti-Muslim rhetoric. I see this issue as a reason for all of us to challenge religious privilege in the public square. No exemptions for religiously motivated hate speech! Where are our representatives like Murray and Rae on this issue?
Know1, Toronto Ontario
10/21/11 7:19 AM EST
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Hate speech from a religious text is hate speech
We need to start a movement or supreme court challenge or whatever is legally efficient for Canada to become a totally secular state like France and get rid of all religious accommodation. No more Charter protected Catholic schools or any other religious schools on taxpayer money and no more accommodation for religious practice of any kind in public secular schools or government office. Hate speech from a religious text is nothing more than hate speech and needs to be prosecuted as such. Does anyone out there have that knowledge or expertise, such as a constitutional lawyer?
Secularism, GTA ONT
10/21/11 12:09 PM EST
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Know1 and the rest of anti Freespeech liberals
So is some freedom of speech more equal then others. It is not a secret that a certain organization blames Israel but reminds silent( also Xtra promotes) on crack downs and massive human rights in the Arab World. Assad murders 3000 not armed civilians, sent people a boat to Gaza(was on the list of who gave$$$$) and yet Hamas does not even need it. I wonder why people can not ask questions but of course the left hates questions I think this video does say the truth when it comes to the left who hates freedom of speech and leftist in general (http://youtu.be/G4FpTvp0tgs ) Why is he always right? or he is a racist?
Ben, TO ON
10/21/11 2:21 PM EST
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You gotta see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FpTvp0tgs&feature=youtu.be
WOW, gta ont
10/21/11 7:26 PM EST
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Choose
Presumably even the most left-wing of you are against Islam's teaching on gays, right? Gays should not be executed by stoning. Please tell me you agree. Or is supporting Islam more important than gay rights amongs the Toronto left? You have to choose.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
10/22/11 4:23 PM EST
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re: Jim
Jim there are more than only the two choices which you imply. Of course everyone, at least on the left, is opposed to the execution of queer people. The lefties in Canada and the US have been the only ones doing anything to advance queer equality and freedom while being opposed by right wingers. The far right in Canada has called for same-sex sex to be made a crime again, in the US the far right is calling for the death penalty for queer people, those are facts. Regardless that doesn't mean our choices are supporting queer people or supporting Muslims and therefore the execution of queer people like you imply. Its quite easy to support both queer people and Muslim people and still be opposed to the execution of queers by Muslim, or any other religion's fundamentalist extremists. Some Muslim sects do not support the death penalty for any crime/sin at all, look it up, and only a tiny number of Muslims in N. America are fundamentalist extremists in the first place. Not all Muslims are anti-queer just like not all Christians are anti-queer. By all means arrest anyone who promotes violence against queers under our hate crime laws, I expect there to be undercover police at this meeting or any other similar meeting where any religious fundamentalist extremist is speaking and may be promoting violence against queers or anyone else. I support using our hate crimes laws to put a stop to this sort of thing, btw our hate crime laws are also a leftie creation, not a right wing one. But that in no way implies that I support discrimination against Muslims or the hatred for them that too many seem to feel. Mind you I've known many different Muslims over the years, some I was quite friendly with, none of whom ever had any problem at all with me being queer. I base my opinions of Muslims on my personal experiences and not what the MSM reports about wars/terrorism in the middle east/central Asia like many seem to do.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
10/22/11 5:23 PM EST
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Meeting our needs, not embracing the preposteroous
@You Gotta See This: Good one !! Regardless of how they may have served us in the past to build communities, today religions stand as the greatest obstacle to building a global civilization based on human rights.
Jean-Paul, Bathurst N.B.
10/22/11 11:35 PM EST
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Just typical leftists are just defending
As Pat Condell says in this video (http://youtu.be/G4FpTvp0tgs)
Ben, TO ON
10/23/11 12:27 AM EST
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Reality check, Rich
Rich, let's just replace three words in your text and see if you still agree ------"Its quite easy to support both Jews and Nazis and still be opposed to the execution of Jews by Nazis, or any other right-wing extremists.-------Do you get it now? Your sentence is nonsense. "Muslim" means adherent of a religion. We're talking about religious people here, very religious people who believe in a hateful, fundamentalist ideology. I hope you're not using the word "Muslim" to refer to people as an ethnicity because that would simply show how slipshod your thinking on this issue is. There are Muslims of every race and ethnicity. "Muslim" refers to someone's religious and political ideology, not immutable characteristics like ethnicity or race. Surely you know this....
Jim, Toronto Ontario
10/23/11 9:33 AM EST
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Canada
brings in 250,000.00+ legal immigrants (seeking dual citizenship) every year. (1/4 MILLION) That's the size of London, Ontario! These numbers do not include the so-called student visa holders(who surprise, wish to stay and obtain dual citizenship of course), nor refugee's, bogus or otherwise. If anyone thinks this is sustainable they are delusional. If anyone thinks this is good for the LGBT they are delusional.
Chris, Toronto On
10/23/11 9:56 AM EST
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Chris gets it
Quite correct, Chris. And to continue with your thinking......with current immigration levels, in 12 years starting from now, Canada will have imported as many people as currently reside in Alberta. Given that these immigrants are mostly coming from lands where gay and Lesbian rights don't exist, where do you think Canada is heading???? Are gays asking their MP's about this?
xox, xox Ontario
10/23/11 11:41 AM EST
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