Condo plan could force out Zipperz
NEIGHBOURHOOD / 38-storey condo proposed for Church/Carlton corner
Rob Salerno / Toronto / Friday, March 22, 2013
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The owner of the popular gay nightclub Zipperz could be forced to find a new home for it when its lease expires at the end of 2015, as the current owners of the building it sits in are seeking city approval to build a 38-storey condo on the site.
 
Tribute Communities has submitted an application for a zoning amendment and rental housing demolition in order to build a 38-storey condo tower on the site, which includes 70 and 72 Carlton St, but not the large public parking lot behind the buildings. The tower would sit on a seven-storey podium with retail space at ground level, and it would have 202 parking spaces.
 
The application still has to make it through several rounds of consultations and approvals. Councillor Kristyn Wong-Tam says she wants any new building on the site to have “defining” architecture, as it will serve as a “gateway” to the Village from the south and to the downtown core from the east. She’s already met with the developers to convey what she considers important in a proposal going forward.
For many in the community, the demolition of Zipperz represents the continuation of a worrying trend of queer hangouts bulldozed to make way for condo towers.
(Rob Salerno)
 
“I stressed the importance of community green space and an open forecourt,” Wong-Tam says. “Whatever’s going to be built there has to be iconic. What we’re looking for on Carlton is architecture that can revitalize the neighbourhood.”
 
Wong-Tam is currently negotiating the addition of a public green space to a condo proposal for 11 Wellesley St W, the former site of the proposed opera house that the province recently sold to a developer for $65 million. But the lot on Carlton Street is unlikely to yield significant new park space.
 
The developer will likely have to demonstrate some community benefit to mitigate the loss of rental housing to make way for the condo.
 
But for many in the community, the demolition of Zipperz represents the continuation of a worrying trend of queer hangouts bulldozed to make way for condo towers, and these towers edging closer and closer to the heart of the Village.
 
The old It nightclub was turned into the Jazz condo project at Church and Shuter streets. The site of the old Five nightclub is being turned into a 45-storey tower called Five. And a condo has been proposed for the site of fly nightclub and Fire on the East Side.
 
Last year, neighbourhood residents successfully fought back against a proposal to build a massive condo tower at Church and Gloucester streets, which would have booted the pubs from that block.
 
For now, Zipperz owner Harry Singh says he’s not worried about the proposal.
 
“It doesn’t affect me until the end of 2015,” he says. “What else am I going to say? The place is sold. My lease is up.”
 
Singh says he hasn’t thought as far ahead as moving to a new location, which could be difficult, given the city’s prohibition on venues with dancefloors north of Queen Street.
 
But Wong-Tam says she would be supportive of helping Zipperz get an approval for a new location in the Village if that’s what Singh wants.
 
“We would certainly work with all business owners. I’m mindful that there are moratoriums on nightclubs, but I’m mindful that there’s a vibrant nightlife on Church Street,” she says. “I’ve yet to visit a gay neighbourhood anywhere in the world that doesn’t have a dynamic nightlife. We’d try to strike that right balance.” 


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The end of it all
It seems like there just isn't room in the gaybourhood for the gays anymore. Big cities want more density and increasing hardships on small businesses and bars makes that easier to obtain. It's really sad but it seems like every in article I've read about this ongoing issue the ones most affected by it have already turned in for the night and given up. There isn't any fight left in this community, and it's easy to understand why. The city is going to just placate your fears of a gentrified quite neighborhood and not actually put in place solid plans to preserve the culture and current appeal. I mean, if the city is actually in support of the current design and culture on Church and Wellesley why redevelop and rezone it? The same thing is happening in Vancouver, hot spots are dying down and big yellow rezoning signs can be found on every other block in the downtown core. This has been happening for a long time, maybe it's happening faster now. But Gay businesses owners and community cannot afford the cost of fighting it, money matters. I'm willing to bet Zippers does have a plan, and that is to not plan to reopen. Renegotiating a lease at the current rates would be hard enough, much less finding an available venue. Wong-Tam can talk about helping with the moratorium all she wants, but the real problem is there is no current plans by the city or developers to replace affordable bar and club spaces lost in redevelopment.
Jay, Vancouver BC
03/22/13 11:42 AM EST
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Here we go again
Wong Tam should F off. How nice of her to offer to help Zipperz find a new location. What a sport. Hey Wong, why not tighten your harness and preserve the integrity of the village rather than hand it over to the developers? The last thing the soon to be former Gay village needs is another freakin condo high rise. What is happening in is disgusting. It is so gentrified it is unrecognizable. It is fast becoming another over priced generic part of Toronto...fun for the whole family.
Zach, Toronto Ontario
03/22/13 1:05 PM EST
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things change
I certainly wont miss main drug mart! Also, to all the bitter people out there talking about how the village is under attack etc. newsflash! this has been happening for a really long time, and most young gay people are not moving to this area of the city. look to bloor b/t dufferin and lansdowne to see where and how young people are choosing to live. lots of nice looking boys, and the low rents for commercial spots dont hurt either!
mike, toronto ontario
03/22/13 11:34 PM EST
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Better for the area
Is this supposed to be a surprise? With the Maple Leaf Clinic moving its no surprise at all. Why do so many people want to put a stop to making this part of the city look better. The area is dated with badly maintained buildings and houses, crack heads on every corner and crime rampant throughout the area. Perhaps by these new condos in the area there will be more promise for the area. It's sad to see so many people against change. Case in point, keeping that run down ugly building at Gloucester and Church. By putting in new retail spaces we may be able to attract more businesses in the area. So what, we lose another bar....there's still several more in the village. I look forward to the change.
Adam, Toronto Ontario
03/23/13 10:08 AM EST
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another nail in the coffin
By the time World Pride 2014 comes to Toronto, there won't be a gay village left.
Christopher King, Toronto ON
03/23/13 10:58 AM EST
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No more dancing
Sorry Adam, but you are wrong. Zipperz is not just a bar. It is one if the last clubs you can go to where you can actually dance in the village. Once they are kicked out along with fly nightclub, there will be no more dance clubs in the Area. People can go on and on about how there will be retail at the base, but we all know that means more Starbucks and Rabba's.
Shawn, Toronto Ontario
03/23/13 3:48 PM EST
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The Gay Village is Dead. Long live the Gay Village
Over the past decade I have seen the hood just go downhill. So many changes that have made it bland, and a lot of talk about saving and protecting it but little to no real action. Previous Councillor was same way and it continues to slide into history now.
Sean, Guelph On
03/24/13 12:43 PM EST
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Slightly off topic
But does anyone know the story behind the closure of the Church Street Diner? It seems to be under new non-gay management now with a new name and all of the gay staff are gone?
Curious, Toronto Ontario
03/25/13 2:39 AM EST
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It's about time.
Things like this happen. This is evolution as surely realized as it would be with language or with biological species. It's funny that some of the most supposed liberal-minded commentators on this story are now suddenly the most conservative.
Abtak, Toronto Ontario
03/25/13 2:09 PM EST
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To the person who commented before me
How is it that you can, first of all, decipher the sexuality of all the people who work there, and second of all, implicate that the commonly shared feature between the employees and the management ought to be their homosexuality and still expect to be taken seriously when your 'community' underscores diversity? I suppose it's because you, along with most other advocates of your community, simply don't care about diversity within your ranks so long as the mainstream system is diversified in thought so as to allow you to lead your isolationist gay lives in your isolationist gay establishments. Shame on you.
Abtak, Toronto ontario
03/25/13 2:15 PM EST
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Or, you could fuck right off.
Abtak: since your comment presumes you're not of this community ("when your 'community' underscores diversity"), why the fuck should we even give you the time of day? What's it to you what someone in some community that you're not a part of thinks? Especially when you try to shame people for their opinions?
Arse, Toronto ON
03/27/13 3:18 PM EST
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Last bar in the village, please turn off the light
In 10 years, Church and Wellesley will look like Bay and Wellesley. And that's not progress.
Todd, Toronto ON
03/27/13 8:59 PM EST
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The War against the
Gay Man is almost fully completed. "...And that's not progress." says Todd in regards to the future of the "Village". I think that depends Todd on your point of view. To some the removal and dispersal to the wind of the Gay Man is progress.
Ryan, Hamilton ON
03/27/13 9:29 PM EST
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Zipperz is dying anyway
As the weeks and months pass less and less people are going to Zipperz. It is another tragic case of an owner who could care less what his patrons think. The first thing to go should be those DJ's...all of them. They play for themselves and not the crowd. Over mixing everything to the point where people just stand motionless on the dance floor forever waiting for some beat to be resurrected. The word is certainly out so queers are now going to places like Wayla. Why not? The music is amazing, and above all danceable. The up side of Zipperz is that everyone is welcome, old young etc. That will certainly be missed. By the time the place closes the bar will be on it's last legs anyway. Change is no fun but it's going to happen. The village is over and once Zipperz is gone, well there is always Starbucks.
Kal, Toronto Ontario
03/30/13 7:45 PM EST
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Sreiously? Wayla?
You must work there or are straight, queer, total man-hating lesbian or a religious freak or something. Your attack against the owner/mgrs too I think is bias and unfair. Comparing Zippers to Wayla is like apples and oranges. Lesbians, metrosexuals and self-hating queers go to Wayla. Mostly to just look "cool", silently.
Kal, Totalesbian nosexplease
03/30/13 9:45 PM EST
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Fear and loathing
I sometimes think the fear and loathing that goes on about The Village is just so much hot air by a few windbags. Bars will open and close as they always do. People will move east and west, with no loyalty to Church St a fact of life. I envision more condos on Church St. Makes no difference, whether Church St., has one bar and one restaurant in 10/20 years Church and Wellesley or Carlton and Wellesley will always be The Village for Pride and other events.
Michel F. Pare, toronto on
03/31/13 1:53 AM EST
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Go East Young Gay Man!!!
Oh my, now is truly the winter of our discontent when we must suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous economic misfortune, but fear not sweet Sean and fair Christopher for there is yet relief for us from the oppressive demands of the overmighty lords of Church St and their extortionate demands! There lies a land to the east, beyond the River Don, where the greenwood grows, and the streams runneth with milk and honey and cheap beer and the land abounds with all manner of exotic delicacies such as lassis, and paan, and chowpatties! Here the property values are cheap and the rents are low and we may yet find relief from the extortions of our old landlords and surcease from our many troubles and cares! Verily, let us therefore repair without delay to this new paradise found in the east and build ourselves an even bigger and better gay village than what we have left behind!
Mosina, Queen of the Gay Desert, Toronto Ontario
04/13/13 3:51 PM EST
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