City councillor gets belligerent on St Paddy's Day
FIRST PERSON / 'Who said I was slurry? I wasn't fucking slurry'
Marcus McCann / Toronto / Friday, March 18, 2011
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A belligerent St Patrick’s Day outburst from Toronto City Councillor Mark Grimes started innocently enough.
 
When Grimes (Ward 6, Etobicoke-Lakeshore) took to the stage, I had been at the Old Sod at Bloor and Royal York for less than an hour. I was working on my first drink.
 
Grimes’ speech lasted a few minutes. He identified himself, including his role at city hall, and wished everyone a good evening. It was spirited, colourful, colloquial — and noticeably slurred.
 
At 6:35pm, I tweeted the following message:
 
"At the Old Sod, and a slurry city councillor Mark Grimes just gave an impromptu toast. He has the day off, he says. #voteto"
 
Not a big deal.
 
About half an hour later, I overheard my name.
 
It was a bit of a surreal moment. A group of barrel-chested, middle-aged men were reading my tweet. They seemed upset, so I identified myself, told them where I was sitting and offered for them to join me. I hoped that a brief conversation would calm them down.
 
During that exchange, one of the men (later identified as lawyer James Maloney) kept motioning for me to come speak to him.
 
Councillor Mark Grimes.
(City of Toronto)
I went back to my table briefly — to drop off our second and last round of drinks — then went back to speak to him.
 
He asked me repeatedly why I had sent my tweet. I told him several times, “I tweeted it because it happened.” They were an intimidating and unamused bunch.
 
I also told him it didn’t need to be a big deal.
 
I went back to my table. I thought that was the last of it. In fact, I tweeted as much.
 
“A cadre of Grimes' guys were griping abt my previous tweet at the Old [Sod], so I introduced myself. But I think we smoothed it over,” I tweeted at 7:19pm.
 
Later, in front of the bar, Grimes was saying his goodbyes. As he walked up the street, he turned around and yelled, “Who said I was slurry?”
 
I was on the sidewalk smoking (a bad habit, I know), so I raised my hand and identified myself as the author of the “slurry” tweet, and I asked if he wanted to talk to me.
 
“I wasn’t fucking slurry,” he said.
 
He walked toward me and got right up in my face. He asked me several times, “Am I slurring now?”
 
“Yes,” I told him. “A little.”
 
Grimes’ friends got in between us, forming a physical barrier.
 
His black chauffeured car arrived, and his friends tried to get him into it. He refused. He tried to shrug off their hands, at one point waving his arms over his head and saying, repeatedly, “Don’t touch me.”
 
In that way that drunk people do, he tried to trick his friends into getting in the car without him, and he also tried to tell them he would “meet them there.”
 
They eventually prevailed and, with some talk of going to The Angus, he drove off.
 
I exchanged cards with Maloney, who — rather than apologize — insisted that my initial tweet was inaccurate. I told him I thought it odd that, given Grimes’ outburst on the street, he would contest the “slurry” comment from an hour ago. He insinuated that I had somehow breached my responsibilities to Xtra by tweeting what I had.
 
Another of Grimes' friends accused me of ruining what is apparently an annual tradition.
 
Grimes, I was told, had not just the day off, but the whole week. His chauffeur, I gather, was not so fortunate.
 
At 7:31pm, I tweeted:
 
“Grimes: Who said I was slurry? I wasn't fucking slurry. His peeps put him into his driver's car, which was probably for the best.”


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not surprised
Grimes is my councilor in south Etobicoke, no I didn't vote for him since it quickly became apparent he'd be a Ford clone. He seems like he would be a bit of a scary drunk and how pathetic is it to deny you're drunk when you most definitely are. Moral of the story its often best to just let some things go, especially when public figures are dealing with media types.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 12:27 PM EST
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But he wasn't "fucking slurry!"
Okay he was. Actually I'm kind of sorry he had to ruin your evening Marcus, but glad it was you, because how else would we know that a publicly paid representative of the public paying clearly for his driver on his week off....I mean, I'm glad he and his buds weren't doing the actual driving, but still, when does a city councilman get a chauffered car. I think this, but only my opinion, and we know I'm opinionated (note: I do read xtra online now fairly regular)..but while he IS a public official, and it is his day/week off, I would hope he would still maintain a public professional persona when out in the public...he is a public official receiving the publics money as a salary..so really..hey cool they read your twitters!!!!! I think a week of no pay might be a slap on the hand, or at least a start...and a bit of coaching on public behaviour...and...and they read your tweets! good tweet/twitter/reporting on this one!
sylvia stojek-martin, ottawa ontario
03/18/11 12:34 PM EST
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What a douchebag
The guy is obviously full of himself. Overreacts for something so small, gets aggressive, and requires a chauffeur. Someone should investigate if this was a city-paid chauffeur working for a city councilor on 'vacation'. Where's Ford to stop the "gravy train", eh?!
ts, toronto to
03/18/11 1:26 PM EST
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Let's get a few facts straight here
In a way, you have sort of feel sorry for Marcus as he really isn’t sure what he is talking about on many levels. First of all, his first tweet said he as at ‘The Old Nick’, meanwhile, he was at ‘The Old Sod’, a well-established bar in the Kingsway since the 70’s so from the get-go, Marcus did not even know where he was! He had to leave the bar to go for a cigarette, read the overhead sign and then corrected his initial tweet. He leaves that part out of his story. Second of all, Marcus and other commenters make many references to the councillors ‘driver’. Clearly, Marcus is not aware that city councillors don’t even have drivers/chauffers so his comment about “His black chauffeured car arrived” is just another drama-driven comment. For every time any of us have been a passenger in a black car, do we refer to it as a ‘black chauffeured car?’ I think not. And the comment about the councillor having the week off and “His chauffeur, I gather, was not so fortunate” is more proof that Marcus is out of comfort zone when talking about these things. Very sad but I guess the reactions from others justifies Marcus’ ignorance and fuels controversy on such subjects. If having a day off is an issue here, Marcus clearly has lots of days off when he has the time and energy to tweet, write and publish this sort of crap. And perhaps Marcus is not welcome in his own local establishment and that’s how he ended up at that particular bar?
Derbedee Beretta, Toronto ON
03/18/11 2:59 PM EST
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Asshole twitterer
Marcus McCann, you sound like an asshole. Why did you approach his table to confront him - you created a dispute.
taxpayer, toronto ontario
03/18/11 3:23 PM EST
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councillors do not have paid chauffers
The cooment his chauffer driven car is an irresposnible remark implying things not true. Councillors do not have paid chauffers. Good for him and his friends for acting responsibly and renting a car with a driver for the evening if they are drinking. That should be the point of this stupid story.
Sharon petrie, etobicoke ontario
03/18/11 3:26 PM EST
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and another thing...
"Grimes, I was told, had not just the day off, but the whole week. His chauffeur, I gather, was not so fortunate." Mark Grimes is a family man and father of five.. Marcus must not own a calendar either. It's March Break... of course he has the whole week "off". Please Marcus, tell me when City Councillors were entitled to Chauffeur's?
Necole, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 3:33 PM EST
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Proud to be Irish
WOW an Irish Canadian was drinking on ST. Patricks Day - I can see why that is news - at least he had friends to drink with - on this day everyone wants to be irish and i am sure eeryone in the pub was drinking - how is this a story? proud to be Irish and proud that Grimes is one of us.
Irish Eyes, toronto ontario
03/18/11 3:39 PM EST
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drama does NOT prevail
How can Marcus possibly claim that he didn't want things to 'escalate' or make this is a big deal and meanwhile; he tweets, corrected the tweet, tweeted twice on the same story again, then sits down and writes a story about this and then publishes it?! 'In that way that drunk people do', do yourself a favour and talk facts as they are. Come on Mr. Drama King Marcus....who's your driver?
Jay Scott, Scarborough ON
03/18/11 3:54 PM EST
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THIS IS WHY TWEETING IS STUPID
AS you stated his speeceh was "spirited, colourful, colloquial" why didn't you tweet that? This is what is wrong with the media today - you get a story out of looking for things to say that are negative and start a controversy. I agree with the comment he had a designated driver so he was setting a good example for his five children, for whom he took time off to be with them with during March break. So he ws paying hos own way, out with friends enjoying himself, entertaining the crowd with his speech and acting responsibly when it came to drinking and driving, while proudly celebrating his Irish heritage- I would say that is 10 points for Mark zero for Marcus.
Nottweetie Bird, Etobicoke ON
03/18/11 4:01 PM EST
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Seriously?!
I just listened to Newstalk 1010 and there are certainly lots of holes in McCann's story. Not sure where to start.. (i) with the fact that councillor's don't have drivers/cars and McAnn obviously doesn't know that, or (ii) the fact that the guy who called in (the driver of the car) when asked what size he was... his answer certainly did NOT fit the description of a "barrel-chested, middle-aged" person. Marcus really does have lots of time on his hands!! I have to go now...and be the driver of a 'black chauffered car' and take my kids to dance class (I have a black Honda..can I assume that will be classified as a 'black chauffeured car'?)
Fatima Abdullah, Markham Ont
03/18/11 4:33 PM EST
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Y'know, this is how feuds start
Note: my comments pertain both to the article as well as some of the responses. Okay, so let me see if I've got this straight. A city councillor is slurring his words during a speech (which I'm sure the entire bar can attest to, and nobody here seems to be seriously disputing other than Grimes himself, and maybe some of his friends), and this gets reported in a tweet. Well gosh, somebody tweeted about a public official doing something less than stellar. Wow, how unusual. And McCann, meanwhile, tweets the wrong name for the establishment. Gosh, that's...noteworthy too, because nobody ever gets the name of an establishment wrong, of course. Grimes' reaction to the tweet, however, isn't to laugh it off and think McCann got it wrong, but rather to get ornery about it. McCann is actually brave enough to identify himself and take responsibility for his actions which, instead of him being applauded for it, he's bashed for "creating drama"...right, okay! Further drama ensues. Perhaps both parties could have behaved more responsibly, but there's nothing terribly noteworthy there, so let's move on to the end of it: a city councillor tries to pick a fight on a public street. What's more, his friends step between the two, suggesting that they *know* he's being belligerent and needs to cool off! Seriously?!? I don't care if it *was* his day or even week off, that's abhorrent behaviour out of any adult, much less one in the public eye! Today, however, we have McCann writing an article about it. As others have noted, there are some assumptions of both fact and faith being made here. Not the best wait to write an article. In the end, it was perhaps a minor lapse in judgement by both parties that spiralled out of control. Everyone needs to just take a breath and calm the **** down already!
Robert Morley, Ottawa Ontario
03/18/11 6:12 PM EST
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re: Let's get a few facts straight here
If the driver of the car was paid to drive then yes he is a chauffer and by all indications, he was not a member of their party as a designated driver so when McCann said “His black chauffeured car arrived” he was perfectly correct. What I want to know is did the cost of that chauffer come out of his office budget or out of his own pocket? Because based on what I seen of the way Grimes throws tons of money around he's either independently wealthy or he's using his office budget for such which is a big no-no in Big Daddy Ford's Toronto. I'm surprised at the number of people defending a city councilor who's a loud mouth bully like Grimes even if he was drunk especially considering he's got his head so far up Ford's asshole there's no way he's going to vote to support Pride this year. McCann was there, none of you defending Grimes was and from what I've seen of him as my councilor I find McCann's account totally believable and if anything likely understated.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 7:07 PM EST
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Oops
Slight correction to my post above: "think McCann got it wrong" should have read "think McCann was wrong about him being drunk". My wording made it sound like Grimes was upset that McCann got the name of the pub wrong, which wasn't my intent.
Robert Morley, Ottawa Ontario
03/18/11 7:16 PM EST
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This isn't a story
Rob your comments are interesting in that you defend Marcus, you seem to be the only to as no one else has come forward to back his story up. No one one else who was at the bar last night complained about councillor Grimes, and the fact that Marcus didn't know where he was would lead me to believe that he was drunk. Especially when he thinks that a Mazda is a chauffered driven car.
Sue, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 7:25 PM EST
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Huh?
If you think I was defending Mr. McCann, you obviously didn't read what I wrote correctly. I was calling down *both* sides for behaving childishly overall, though from McCann's account, it would appear that Grimes was behaving worse overall. Obviously, hearing only one side of the story would lend bias, so I'm not defending either side. While we're on the topic of bias, though, how would you know that "no one else who was in the bar last night complained"? Have you interviewed everyone at the bar? Did you perhaps ask the bartender if there were complaints? No? Then you really don't know. I said only that the entire bar could attest to whether or not Grimes was slurring...I didn't say that everyone thought that he was, though I can see how it could be read that way. Also, how do you know what kind of car it was? If you were there with Grimes, then you too would have a bias in this issue. Finally, yet again I ask: you've *never* gotten the name of an establishment wrong, or made any other mistakes whatsoever even while you were completely sober? Picking on someone for getting a name wrong seems remarkably childish and utterly irrelevant to the dispute at hand.
Robert Morley, Ottawa Ontario
03/18/11 7:49 PM EST
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Huh
Rob, if there was an issue other people at the bar would have been speaking about it today and it would be front page news, which it isn't. I wasn't there last night but someone who was other than Marcus said it was a Mazda driven by a friend, that is how I know that. And Rob the fact that he got the name wrong lends to the argument that origonal tweeter was not entirly sober.
Sue, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 8:09 PM EST
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Dangerous territory
This is dangerous territory. In the past, responsible media have drawn a line between reporting on a poltician's public life during business hours and his personal life after business hours. If reporters from Left-wing newspapers like Xtra start to report (or tweet) on when a straight politician is allegedly drunk in a bar, they are inviting escalation in the media against gay and gay-friendly politicians. For example, what if the media were to report whenever a gay, bisexual or closeted homosexual politician was seen: (1) cruising at a bathhouse or a venue for casual sex, (2) hitting on much younger men at a bar or a fundraising event in the gay community like Fashion Cares (e.g., grabbing asses), or (3) cheating on his male or female spouse with a one night stand or a kept boy. In the past, there have been politicians who were adored by Xtra and who did these things. Yet, neither Xtra nor the straight media reported on them. Public figures have a right to enjoy themselves when off-duty without being targetted by reporters seeking to humiliate them in "news" reports.
Bob, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 8:24 PM EST
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why would anyone else complain?
Grimes wasn't being belligerent and hostile to everyone in the bar, just to McCann, so why would anyone else complain about his behaviour? belligerence and hostility are to be expected in bars and is mostly over looked, however when its a public figure doing it, especially when the public figure tries to get into a fight, or at least physically intimidate a news person on the street later on then its not so easy to overlook and is rightfully a news story. As a constituent of Grimes I have the right to know how he handles himself in public, just the same as Ford's drunken verbal attack on other spectators at a Leaf's game was a news story so is this. As a very wise politician, I forget his name, once said, never get into an argument with someone who buys newsprint by the ton. This incident reflects very poorly on how Grimes handles less than flattering reports about him. If Grimes had laughed it off and acknowledged that yes he was a little drunk, something there's no shame in being then there would be no story, but to threaten the person who initially observed he was a little drunk, and his behaviour on the street was threatening, Grimes is a big man, drunk and very aggressive then how is this not newsworthy? I'm surprised at the number of people defending him in these comments and attacking McCann as if he were the one being aggressive and threatening instead of Grimes, makes me think Grimes has deployed his staff and supporters to spin this one.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 8:36 PM EST
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Rich
My point is that if Grimes was drunk or appeared to be drunk it would be on the front pages of the papers today, do you not think the Sun of all papers would not be all over it. And by the way was he whispering his anger and hostility and is that why others didn't hear it ? I am sure if it is verbal as Marcus said there would be more witnesses which there are NONE !. And I highly call a guy who writes for a blog to be a jounalist.
Sue, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 9:14 PM EST
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No, it really doesn't
> "And Rob the fact that he got the name wrong lends to the argument that origonal tweeter was not entirly sober." No, it really really doesn't. It lends to the argument that not everybody gets the name correct on the first try when it's an establishment they don't go to regularly. We don't know if he does or not, granted, but you're assuming facts nowhere near in evidence. A mistake is a mistake, nothing more, unless you have other reasons to believe that he was drunk. A report from a friend that the car was a Mazda isn't exactly reliable. Even if it was, I don't know whether that Mazda was chauffeured any more than you do, and neither does your friend. Others have already taken Mr. McCann up on that assumption, and they're not wrong to have done so. But that too lends nothing to any argument that he wasn't sober. It just means he jumped to a conclusion which may or may not have had any basis in fact.
Robert Morley, Ottawa Ontario
03/18/11 9:20 PM EST
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Hey
Interesting how no one else at the bar last night recalls an incident
Sue, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 10:35 PM EST
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shameful
Who cares what kind of car it was? The issue here is that Mr. McCann went out with friends for drinks, as did Mr. Grimes. Mr. Grimes, who may have had a few too many - which is really irrelevant - stood up and made a toast, maybe a little speech. Mr. McCann decided that it was his business to tweet that this man was slurring. Mr. Grimes didn't like the fact that it happened, and clearly Mr. McCann wanted some sort of confrontation, or he never would have continued engaging Mr. Grimes or his companions. Outside the bar, things may have gotten a bit heated, at which point Mr. McCann decided he was going to try to make a news story out of it. It displays not only questionable ethics on the part of Mr. McCann, but also a level of immaturity. There is a responsibility that comes with Mr. McCann's position, or rather their should be. Trying to make this a news story would be like Mr. Grimes bringing the incident up at city council. Mr. McCann is clearly not mature enough to be in his position. Had the situation involved a politician with whom Mr. McCann shared an ideological point of view, he likely would have been praising the good-spirited manner in which the councillor was connecting with the community. It is shameful that this should be posted as news, and does little for Xtra's credibility.
Anthony, Milton ON
03/18/11 10:40 PM EST
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Shameful indeed
You seem to be forgetting, Anthony, the responsibility inherent in Mr. Grimes' position and how much *he* kept antagonizing things as well. Neither side can really claim angelic, puritanical behaviour here. After all, if at any point either of them had decided to just go their own way and not worry about he said/he said, this story would never have happened.
Robert Morley, Ottawa Ontario
03/18/11 11:02 PM EST
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how far can you jump that far
so now his not liking being tweeted about means he won't vote for gay pride? that was quite a stupid jump- how can you turn this into an anti gay issue maybe that was marcus intent but really grimes makes no bones about his brother being gay and they have a great relationship-they obviously love each other -so that is about the dumbest conclusion yet - \really rich you live in his ward and you jump to this conclusion- and you make fun of his size - well it came in pretty handy that he was a big guy when he saved that women's life in the fall- didn't see anything about that in xtra- and as for the guy from ottawa- all of councillors expenses are publicy posted - so check grimes he does no tcharge any mileage or personal costs - i looked them all over this year out of curiosity to see where the gravy is - everyone who lives in the ward knows that -grimes and his brothers own their own business- i have to agree with the guy who says it was his own time - bud out of his business - so he has irish pride and an irish temper - i thought Toronto was about acceptance
sharon petrie, etobicoke ontario
03/18/11 11:30 PM EST
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Unlike
I fail to see the Importance of this drama. Unfortunately it has forced me to unlike extra.
Brandon williams, Toronto Ontario
03/18/11 11:38 PM EST
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Who cares?
I'm not sure who's trying to be more important in this situation.
James, Hamilton Ontario
03/18/11 11:41 PM EST
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McCann is a chihuahua nipping at a bigger dog
Why can't a City councillor have a few drinks on his day off, like any other person? There is no privacy anymore, with all kinds of dumb little upstarts desperately trying to make a name or a career with cheap nonsense. Tweeting that a councillor is slurring, is not like starting a Middle East revolution, or even reporting anything newsworthy. The whole tawdry event and especially this article is “news pollution.” We want real news from editors, or else they have no value. Bye-bye Marcus...
Marcus Must Go, Toronto On
03/21/11 12:57 PM EST
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Chill out
Folks, y'all are making this a bigger feud than Marcus was. He merely tweeted that a city councilor was slurring his words. He heard his name mentioned and approached the party talking about him. The city councilor apparently became belligerent. You're right. This isn't news. A city councilor publicly announcing himself as such, then causing a scene when someone mentions he slurred during his speech. I think that's newsworthy. Why are you all so ready to convict Marcus when this Grimes fellow became aggressive when he was there as a representative of City Hall?
Chill out, Ottawa ON
03/21/11 2:53 PM EST
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rank
So a dumpy politician gets drunk and is a goof - and Xtra makes this into news and people are defendng the politician....wow, I want this time back...what's up with Japan now, eh? Love Xtra, hate the Ford clone...he's a pig...and I can't beiieve the mileage that Xtra is getting out of this story!
tina, toronto ON
03/21/11 2:58 PM EST
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bazing!
actually I don't know if Marcus actually said the car was paid by the taxpayers...i think i actually wrote that. So Marcus all aside... I don't like the idea that a public official is not behaving appropriately regardless of who tweeted what. Once elected, I know, you can't even pick you nose...but an elected official knows that...so...and I am always complaining to marcus about xtra...so putting all that aside...Councillor Grimes and his pr machine know he needs to act accordingly when out in the public. Because god knows if a queer person acted that way towards a city councillor, omg they would end up in jail undergoing an inappropriate strip search with a few stomach kicks added just to make sure they stay down....oops sorry, segwayed again about police brutality.....
sylvia stojek-martin, ottawa ON
03/21/11 3:15 PM EST
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get a life
to bad your not the councillor
ken, toronto on
03/21/11 4:58 PM EST
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Behaviour the issue, not tweets or pub names
Firstly, the tweet was the mildest of mild observations. He did not say "falling down drunk" or even mention alcohol. He DID mention that he had the day off. And even that he was spirited and colourful. Everything after that appeared to be escalated by Mr Grimes (who I am not saying looks drunk in the file photo, he looks perfectly respectable) and his "posse". There are a few things I think being overlooked. Tweeting is a method for quick updates and observations. If you don't think this is important enough to rate as news, then don't read them. (As Grime's friends apparently did, and did take seriously.) And if you don't think an online story about a tweet is important, don't read it. But the tweet itself is NOT the central story, nor is the make of the car he was driven away in. It was Grime's BEHAVIOUR. I have no problem with Marcus giving the sequence of events and details leading up to it. If he had just started with Grimes screaming at him on the street, people would want to know how it got to that point. So, he fully informed. And that is, I think, the core duty of a news organisation. INFORMING. Not every reader is going to like every story. There are many stories that I skip because the content does not interest me. So...why complain? Not interested in Grimes involved in a near street brawl over a simple tweet? Then there is plenty of other material to read. Unless and until there is evidence to the contrary, I see this as an example of a man feeling very entitled, above reproach and whom got incensed over a TWEET (which may not have been complimentary), but one which he only has made a much, MUCH bigger issue by making such a scene. His friends did him no favours by escalating the issue (instead of encouraging him to blow it off and buy him another round)with the exception of getting him out of there before he whipped himself up into possibly doing something much worse, like an assault or
Cody, Toronto ON
03/22/11 2:03 AM EST
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A horrid preview of a future with no privacy
I see this as “RealityShow.” Every single person on earth is now involved in a RealityShow, with or without their consent or permission. It is a horrid preview of a future with no privacy, no secrets, no down-time. Cameras and prying eyes and fu*king tweets/Twits everywhere invading every moments of our lives. Big sister is watching you...It is very tiring. Marcus is just one of those twits. There are too many others. Unless you're starting a revolution, keep your fu*king tweets to yourself. We don't care that you're jut going into McDonalds or doing your laundry, or hair, or watching a city councillor slurring his words. It's all the same boring shit. It's all more noise pollution and news pollution. If you claim to be a serious newspaper and a serious editor, then you don't put shit like this out. We don't want to have to chose not to read it. It's not worth the consideration.
RealityShow, Toronto Ont
03/22/11 2:34 AM EST
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Always
I am thrilled to be out of Grimes ward . . . I never saw him sober, not once. On the rare occassions when he actually turned up at a public event he was always boozey and slurry . . . disgusting.
Clara Sheffe, Etobicoke ON
03/22/11 9:27 AM EST
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Irony of complaining about new media, online!
Mr "Reality Show", Imagine if this had been 30 years ago, and someone with one of those huge flash cameras had captured Mr Grimes struggling with his own guys trying to stuff him into a car, their faces frozen in (possibly red -faced,inebriated) grimaces. THAT would have been on the front page. As far as Tweets being useless, that's the beauty of the new media. You don't have to read them. Or articles about them. You can follow who you like and you can seek out the info you want rather than having it homogenised into bland "one voice" product thrown in your front yard every morning. I personally love the variety of news and information outlets. Mr Grimes made this into a "reality show" if anyone did. An incident he could have ignored or responded to with a self-efacing retort he turned into something much different. He turned into NEWS. So while a picture might be more titillating to the illiterate, the words in this case draw the picture perfectly. Mr Grimes is lucky no one recorded his behaviour...or did they? ;)
Cody, Toronto ON
03/23/11 2:17 AM EST
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