Bathhouse shrink faces honour and prejudice in home country
NEWS / Toronto's Towel Talk program brings therapy to bathhouses
Andrea Houston / Toronto / Thursday, August 04, 2011
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A gay Toronto psychoanalyst candidiate doing cutting-edge outreach work in bathhouses is being honoured this week at an international conference in his home country of Mexico. The bitter irony is that in Mexico, gay people often face barriers in becoming psychoanalysts.

“Ever since I was a kid I thought, One day I will be an analyst, and one day I’m going to present my work, and one day I will explain the work that I do within the population of people I work with,” Marco Posadas told Xtra before leaving to attend the International Psychoanalytical Studies Organization (IPSO) conference in Mexico City, running Aug 3 to 6. “That dream is now coming true.”

Before studying in Toronto, Posadas and his partner moved their life to Canada, in part because of the prevalence of homophobia in the field of psychoanalysis in Mexico City, an unwritten rule that gay people should not enter the profession.

“Because I am gay it is difficult in Mexico. Some institutions will not train homosexuals,” he says. “It is opening up a bit, but it comes down to the people in these organizations. It’s been passed on as an assumption that homosexuals were not suitable candidates to become psychoanalysts.”
Marco Posadas is being honoured this week at an international conference in his home country of Mexico.
(Andrea Houston)


“So that’s quite a journey I’ve had, to now go back to my hometown and talk about this. I am expecting questions, and I hope people question me on this. The only way to move forward gay rights is we need to not preach to the choir.”

“Mexico is a country with massive contrasts. So while there are gay refugees from Mexico that come to Canada seeking asylum, there is also gay marriage in Mexico City. One reason is that the church is really involved in politics.”

Since 2009, Posadas has been doing groundbreaking work with the AIDS Committee of Toronto (ACT). Several times a week, he ventures out to visit bathhouses, wearing a T-shirt that reads “Wanna Talk?”

Towel Talk is an outreach program that “targets men who have fallen through the cracks of the mental health system,” he says. Funded through the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care, the program has been enormously successful at raising awareness about harm reduction and HIV prevention.

“The goal is always to reduce transmission of HIV and STI,” he says. “So we believe that talking in the right moment can help men make the decision that is best for them.”

In each bathhouse – Steamworks, Spa Excess and Central Spa – Posadas and two other counsellors do three-hour shifts. Clinic hours begin when the sign goes up that says, ‘The counsellor is in.’ Unlike the clients, the counsellors keep their pants on.

“So we might go to Steamworks on Monday at 6am to catch the guys who have been partying all weekend, or an evening through the week… Once inside, lots of guys are curious. They ask, ‘Why are you here?’ or ‘Why aren’t you wearing a towel?’”

That’s just the icebreaker Posadas needs -- anything to push open the door and turn small talk into a productive session. “It’s a time where men can talk about anything they need support in -- relationships, depression, being married to a man or a woman, HIV disclosure, substance abuse, housing, immigration, anything.”

Posadas says he is creating a therapeutic alliance with men who might not normally want to access an organization like ACT for fear of stigma, he says. “Guys don’t want to be identified HIV positive, whether they are positive or not.”

After the bathhouse counselling session, the men may choose to continue with the therapy. If so, Posadas sets up sessions at ACT or he might refer them to other resources. “So far the reaction in the community has been amazing support. The response has been very warm.”

Since nudity is understood and sex surrounds the sessions, the men often open up more than they would in an office.

“People are often surprised to run into a counsellor at a bathhouse,” he says. “The surprise factor actually helps tap into much more complicated material.”

Towel Talk is just one of the innovative ways ACT is getting the message out to the community. In May, condom packs distributed at the Inside Out Film Festival drew controversy when a few people expressed concern that ACT seemed to be promoting barebacking. Not so, ACT’s spokesperson, Andrew Brett, told Xtra at the time. The condom pack is simply meant to remind people that there is always a choice when it comes to sex, regardless of how dirty and kinky the sex is. And ACT has harm-reduction tips for everyone.

In Towel Talk’s first year, Posadas had about 88 counselling sessions.

After two years of the program and more than 250 sessions, Towel Talk continues to expand, and Posadas has been documenting the research every step of the way. “There is not a lot of work done in sexualized environments, bringing mental health to community-based spaces where men do seek therapeutic counselling sessions.”

The paper Posadas submitted won first place from the IPSO and was awarded with the international writing award. It will be published in the next edition of the IPSO journal. The honour also means he is one of the keynote speakers at the conference, fulfilling another childhood dream of presenting his work to a roomful of colleagues.

Every two years the IPSO Congress hosts a conference in a different city. “Two years ago it was in Chicago, two years from now it will be in Paris, and this year is in Mexico City.”

It is the largest professional conference in the world for psychoanalysts, Posadas says, and brings together more than 2,000 analysts from all over the world.

For more information on Towel Talk, visit ACT’s website.



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Reader Comments


 
The article uses
a number of terms, to describe this guy but not once informs us of his ACTUAL educational qualifications. The ignorance of the writer of the Psychosocial and Therapeutic profession is offensive. Terms used to describe this person include, "Counselor", "Shrink" "Psychoanalyst" and describe the (his) approach in varying terms including "Therapy". I think a closer look at what is going on in organizations such as ACT is required. This article isn't passing the sniff test.
kyle, toronto on
08/05/11 11:12 AM EST
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Nit picky
good work!
queerone, Toronto Ontario
08/05/11 12:04 PM EST
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bullshit is bullshit
kyle -- I also wondered the same thing -- a psychoanalyst is a psychiatrist who must be a medical doctor. Is this guy a medical doctor and a psychiatrist practicing psychoanalysis in a bathhouse! It says he just raises their awareness but I doubt he analyses their parents and the depths of their psyches over time. Preposterous misuse of terms. The guy's a social worker and ACT is using his home country fame to make itself look good. Again ACT does anything to make itself look relevant.
sick of lying, toronto ON
08/05/11 12:56 PM EST
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Lies
I´m a Mexican homosexual male. My life partner is Mexican and he is a Licensed Therapist. We both studied and have lived in Mexico all of our lives. He is a researcher, doing a masters on Clinical Psycology and owns a small but well-known practice in Mexico City. So what this guy is saying about "homosexuals not being trained" or "it's opening a bit" is a huge lie! FYI Mexico is the first Latin American Country that allows (in Mexico City) same sex marriages and adoption for gay people. So sad this publication doesn´t verify it´s sources or eve does further research. I´d love to see this guy recieving his award facing his colleagues after this article is read and spread in Mexico... It's good he´s helping people and raising awareness about AIDS, but victimizing himself to gain attention is not the right way. If you want to know more about what really happens in Mexico ask me! I´ll tell you or direct you with people who are really informed.
Os, Mexico Mexico
08/05/11 1:19 PM EST
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Lies!!
I'm a Mexican Pshycologist openly gay and I've never, NEVER be bother for anyone in my university, just a few partners but never from the teachers, and university workers, I've sent mails to my ex teacher and my university about this kind of lies. In Mexico's Universities there're many ways to confront the discrimnation, overall in universities, this "shrink" is a lier.
Juan, Mexico DF
08/05/11 5:21 PM EST
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IPSO Congress 2011 prize is valid
I don't know who is right or wrong about any aspect of Mexico, but Marco Posadas did win a prize at IPSO Congress 2011. He must have some necessary credentials. And his work obviously has value. Let's not just tear him apart. "IPSO Award Winners 2011: North America – Marco Posadas: Thinking psychoanalytically in highly sexualized environments: A therapeutic intervention in Torornto’s male bathhouses." http://www.ipso-candidates.org.uk/2011/06/ipso-award-winners-2011
ipso-facto, toronto Ont
08/05/11 6:28 PM EST
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so...
he was able to get paid by ACT, then spy upon a marginalized population, gather and compose the information and enhance himself professionally at the same time. Seems like a win win to me!
Stephen, toronto on
08/05/11 10:47 PM EST
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Another anti-Mexican article on Xtra!
One of Xtra!'s many strange agendas is to bash Mexico and make it look anti-gay. It is worth noting that Mexico decriminalized gay sex almost 100 (yes, ONE HUNDRED) years before Canada. Also, Mexico is one of a handful of countries where gay marriage is legally recognized in every state. Sure, some regions of Mexico (and Canada) are dangerous for gays, but both countries forbid government discrimination against gays in their constitutions. I might point out that Mexico has a world class gay resort city, and Canada has none, and Mexico City has North America's largest queer population. It is typical of the Canadian left to portray poorer countries as less socially evolved and needing the refugee protection of the Canadian state to prop up their own left wing agenda.
xtra reader, here now
08/06/11 12:17 AM EST
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Here is his qualifications
This fellows impressive credentials and his work history is outlined completely on his Linked In profile. Funny how people are too lazy themselves to use something as simple as google. They take time to write posts questioning some one's integrity or professional abilities, but they don't have the integrity or will to seek out some info to clarify their own questions. But that would defeat the goal of public whining, wouldn't it? http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/marco-posadas/b/712/461?_mSplash=1
Scott, Toronto Ontario
08/06/11 10:06 AM EST
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I'm sure
the guy obtained full disclosure and consent with his "study" subjects. This is fundamental professional ethics.
Richard, Toronto Ontario
08/06/11 10:19 AM EST
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bad editing again
I am sure the fault is that of Xtra but to use incorrect terms such as shrink (which means psychiatrist) and psychoanalysis (a practice of psychiatry) is not the same as a an MSW social worker and psychotherapist. Nothing wrong at all with the latter but a social worker is not a psychiatrist. Why confuse the public with such a misleading article? ACT is under fire again for being useless and a money pit for exploitation by its employees, why stoke the fire at Xtra?
get real, Toronto Ontario
08/06/11 12:07 PM EST
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I think he only has a bsw
the rest of his qualifications are not clear. Admittance procedures to universities/colleges in Canada give the "persecuted" instant acceptance without the same type of requirements of many years study as everybody else. His story of persecution in Mexico would give him instant acceptance to any school without needing the same requirements as everybody else. But again his qualifications as listed are not clear.
Richard, Toronto Ontario
08/06/11 1:02 PM EST
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He has a
MSW. But yes it would be interesting to know what his qualifications were to study here as opposed to other people who applied for the same program? It's no longer about academic merit. His persecution story would have guaranteed him a spot at the school. Good for him. Keep up the good work.
Jerry, Toronto Ontario
08/06/11 1:09 PM EST
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ACT needs to stop ...
An internalized homophone from Mexico insinuates that people who do not agree with HIV disclosure and advocates equal rights in an adversarial community, needs to go back.
Elias, Toronto Ontario
08/06/11 1:16 PM EST
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Did he or did he not
obtain these peoples consent to be used in such a way? If not, using people in for personal/professional enhancement is a serious breach of ethical practice. At least I think so?
Bill, Toronto Ontario
08/06/11 2:32 PM EST
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I've read
both the article and comments. The article is a lazy and shoddy piece. It appears that ACT is funding some guy,(who according to commentators is perhaps not being true)to line his pockets for his "private" practice while gathering information from a vulnerable and mostly disenfranchised population with or without their consent. There are just too many questions and possible inappropriate behaviours here. It's weird. It doesn't make sense.
Chris, Toronto ON
08/06/11 3:38 PM EST
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AIDS Profiteers
In this adversarial city and country, criminalization has led to the persecution of people with HIV. Even the HIV+ workers seem brainwashed and oppressed. Treatmnent is prevention. Criminalization of PWA uis a human rights abuse. Detectable is uninfectable.
Fuck ACT, Toronto Ontario
08/06/11 5:17 PM EST
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--- AIDS Profiteers ---
I think that is why the AIDS/HIV organizations keep qualified HIV+ men OUT of their/our organizations, on staff in numbers that in any remote way reflects their HIV+ rates, status and client base.
Kerry, toronto ont
08/06/11 11:26 PM EST
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Psychoanalysis
Speaking as a New York psychiatrist AND psychoanalyst, I'd like to clarify that psychoanalytic institutes train psychiatrists, psychologists, clinical social workers,nurses, etc. Some countries also train analysts with no clinical credentials (lawyers, English professors, anthropologists, etc.). The reporter should have listed Mr. Posada's credentials: it says he has an MSW on his psychoanalytic institute's website. Many MSWs in North American go on to advanced training as psychoanalysts. One does not need to have a doctorate to be an analyst. I do not know the training situation in Mexico but Mr. Posada's experience may be correctly described. There are many places in the world where training for a clinical degree (MD, PhD, MSW, etc) is not marked by prejudice, yet the training institutes of psychoanalysis is dominated by antigay theories and attitudes. That was certainly the case in North America where the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers all issued non-discrimination statements in the 1970s after homosexuality was removed from the diagnostic manual in 1973. However the American Psychoanalytic Association only began changing their antigay policies in the 1990s, and only after they were threatened with a lawsuit. In the 2000s, the American Psychoanalytic persuaded the International Psychoanalytic to issue a nondiscrimination policy of its own.
JD, New York NY
08/09/11 8:51 AM EST
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The apparent issue of lining
his pockets for his "private practice" while getting well-paid by ACT has me concerned. Not to mention the implications of using a disenfranchised and marginalized population for personal and professional gain with or without their permission. We still don't know. Bad article all around I'd say.
Kelly, Toronto Ontario
08/10/11 12:09 PM EST
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Proud
Reading this makes me feel proud as a Mexican, I love to see people fighting for their dreams. And it is very sad that also in Canada there are a lot of jealous people that doesn't like to read about people trying to do the difference in this world. Congratulations and keep making the difference
Alberto, Mexico City
08/12/11 3:59 PM EST
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I know eh?
They are all just a bunch of jealous haters. To all you haters out there, get a life.
Chris, Toronto Ontario
08/13/11 9:12 AM EST
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Clarification
For clarification, Marco gives men the opportunity to have follow-up sessions at ACT or other locations - including his own private practice office, however he does not charge men for these sessions.
John Maxwell, Toronto Ontario
08/16/11 11:00 AM EST
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John Maxwell? Clarification?
What is it you have clarified? Seriously? I've read the piece thoroughly and ALL the comments. I don't get what you're clarifying.
queerhere, Toronto Ontario
08/16/11 4:09 PM EST
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Seriously???
To all of you who feel the need to try and tear someone down, do you homework first. Why attack someone from your own community who has worked so hard?? I completed my Master of Social Work with Marco (which in Ontario means we are able to practice legally as psychotherapists - Marco has done a TON of extra training as a psychoanalist candidate), and he is a well respected colleague and friend. Shame on those of you who hate. Way to go Marco! love you Cheri
Cheri Mae, Toronto ON
08/17/11 10:14 PM EST
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Faboulous!
.....larger than life! Go Marco go!
Marcela Malvido, Mexico City DF
08/17/11 10:29 PM EST
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Proud
Marco, GO, GO, GO! I have worked for different gay communities in Mexico including Censida and here you would not ever had the support you found in Canada, unless you were related to a someone from the government or seeked to work your frustrations though an organization. There is no funding for any long term program in this country, not even for condom use, so please, to all the ENVIOUS Mexican gay psycotherapists, GET REAL!!!! This country is way behind, and piece of paper doesn´t make you an expert, probably better if you are modest and empathize.
Isolde Arzt, Mexico City DF
08/18/11 12:35 AM EST
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don't shoot the messenger
I think the issue here is not about the poor guy featured in the story, but is about ACT. With all the bullshit ACT has pulled and with it under fire on all sides as a bloated insular useless money pit, to feature a STAR employee is bound to draw fire. If you read the comments, they are less about Marco and more about ACT.
sick of AIDS INC., Toronto Ontario
08/18/11 7:47 AM EST
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Sad...
A person could really become quite demoralized after reading all the nasty comments from readers. Tones of xenophobia, misdirected anger, accusations against a man's integrity, and suggestions that men at bathhouses interested in speaking to a professional therapist are "vulnerable and mostly disenfranchised" and being taken advantage of. Whew! It is no wonder that homophobia continues to run rampant through Canadian social, cultural, and political institutions and structures. It's no wonder that so many gay men refuse to volunteer their time or offer their skills professionally to a community full of individuals so quick to cry for the blood of their brothers. It's sickening. It's unfair. And it only reinforces the violence and betrayal that so many (i said so many.. not all.. I know some of you are looking for a way to hang me even as you read this) gay men are forced to endure through our early years and in many cases, throughout our lifetimes. Gay men's health does not exist in isolation of the health of our gay communities. The health of our communities is reflected in the way we treat/mistreat each other. Internal attacks divide us when we need to work together to advance our human and sexual rights and those of others. I don't have any great hope that angry, hurt, unwell gay men will spontaneously transform into more compassionate, friendly, and emotionally healthy individuals overnight. But without the work of individual gay men and our allies, along with the community organizations and structures that we create to support that work, who the f*%k do you think is going to dedicate the effort required to end the violence and heal the hurt, and protect the rights of gay men (+ other queers) in a world where those that would seek to roll back our advances and to imprison or kills us for who we are have not given up on advancing their own agenda??? --- I for one want to say YAY to Marco and let him know that I have his back. And thank you Marc
Phillip, Toronto On
08/18/11 1:09 PM EST
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there just a bunch
of jealous haters.
chris, toronto ontario
08/19/11 6:38 PM EST
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The issue
I think is the piece itself leaves more questions than anything. However there is also the issue of people not truly understanding and paying attention to what they DO, and the subsequent results. People have generally become completely disconnected from their actions, they have been bought and sold into this devolved and corrupt culture. Their investments (body, mind and spiritual) are entirely given over to this devolved and corrupt culture, that insists, that rather than try to reflect upon themselves and one's deeds, truly, they must invest their energies defending their investments and thereby breed division. Which in this devolved and corrupt culture is rewarded. There is division here.
Tim, Toronto Ontario
08/21/11 9:50 AM EST
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