Taking notice of Irshad Manji
IN PERSON / Canadian lesbian author asks Muslims and non-Muslims to reform
Matthew Hays / National / Wednesday, August 10, 2011
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The last time I met up with Irshad Manji, she was on the promotional tour for her 2004 book, The Trouble with Islam Today. And because of the attention that tome was bringing her – including a large number of death threats – that she was accompanied by a husky bodyguard.
 
Irshad Manji was one of the early contributors to Xtra's Ottawa edition, then called Capital Xtra.
(Jimmy Jeong)
Manji's new book is Allah, Liberty and Love: The Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom.
But for all the negative feedback, Manji’s book certainly brought her a degree of celebrity. Oprah gave her a Chutzpah Award. The New York Times declared Manji “Osama bin Laden’s worst nightmare.” She penned op ed pieces for The New York Times, The Advocate and The Wall Street Journal. She was invited to teach at Yale, and then, subsequently, has become the inaugural director of the Moral Courage Project at New York University.
 
Her new book, Allah, Liberty and Love: The Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom, is in part an answer to many of her critics, whose angry emails she excerpts. She also steps up her call for an exhaustive reinterpretation of Islam – in particular, she chastises moderate Muslims for not challenging extremists more often and more adamantly.
 
Despite her university postings, it’s a decidedly accessible book, one that addresses some complex and heavy ideas but does so in a very non-academic manner. Manji quotes a broad range of historical civil rights figures (King and Gandhi, for example), other Islamic reformists, but also skates across pop culture (at one point she recounts a plotline of an episode of Will & Grace to bolster her argument). 
 
Manji says the new book comes out of “gratitude. My family and I are political refugees to Canada. We didn’t fight for these freedoms, we didn’t shed blood, we didn’t take up arms. These freedoms that you and I enjoy are gifts.”
 
And then there was the mail. Thousands of letters and emails and Facebook messages. And no, not all of it was full of bile. “The fact that The Trouble with Islam Today got such response – much of it grateful feedback from young Muslims around the world – I realized, okay, you’ve really tried to make the most out of the platforms you’ve been given in this country, now here’s your opportunity to amplify the voices of those who typically don’t have the megaphone that you do. This book has truly been inspired by the wider community that’s out there.”
 
Much of Allah, Liberty and Love reads like an odd dialogue between Manji and her supporters and detractors. One passage is quite humorous, in which Manji responds to a death threat in verse; the angry reader fires back in verse, and the two have a back-and-forth, all in poetry. He eventually gives up and stops responding.
 
While wading through issues like identity politics, Manji looks to shake up assumptions about how people discuss Islam, and argues that too many Muslims use the charge of Islamophobia as a way of avoiding talking about uncomfortable truths within their faith. This, of course, has brought her great criticism, in particular from many on the left, who argue she is dangerously simplistic, and that her book sounds like, well, something that’s been endorsed by Oprah.
 
But Manji is actually engaging with a broad range of complex ideas and attempting to make arguments for how people of different faiths can challenge each other to create much-needed dialogue. She rejects relativism, which would allow many to write off sexism and homophobia in other cultures, and instead calls herself a pluralist, meaning people of different cultures should share certain ethical beliefs. “It’s a high-wire act, for sure,” says Manji. “And it’s not about avoiding offending this group or community. It’s about recognizing that diversity is not merely about race, sexual orientation or gender; it’s about diversity of thought. You and I may reach different conclusions about the same topics, and well we should, because we’re unique. The diversity I’m referring to is – I hope, I think – is a much more challenging diversity. It propels us to see each other as individuals, not mere mascots of one culture or another. That’s the problem with multiculturalism, in that it can emphasize groups over individuals.”
 
A funny thing happened as Manji was working on completing the book: the Arab Spring sprung. Not surprisingly, she says she was elated. “I can now tell people that I’m not a voice in the wilderness. Sure, I may be more vocal than most, and again I’m privileged to have access to platforms to be more vocal than most, but look at all those secular democrats who started these uprisings. They’re the people I’m talking about in this book. There’s a much bigger market for these ideas than the skeptics have allowed themselves to believe.”
 
Some critics of Manji argued she had no right to make many of the arguments she did about Islam, as she lived in the West. But Manji says her book caught on in the Middle East, thanks to the internet. “At one point, my inbox was full of messages from people who asked when it would be translated into Arabic so they could share it with their friends. My standard industrial-era response was, ‘Please – what publisher in the Arab world is going to have the guts to translate and circulate a book like this in a fragile post-9/11 world?’ Most of the kids wrote back to say, ‘So what? Get the book translated into Arabic, post the translation on your website, and then we can share those ideas.’ And that’s exactly what’s happened. When I get accused of being in this, as I often do, only for the money, I ask my detractors very nonchalantly, ‘What do you make of the free downloads of my book in Arabic, Urdu and Farsi?’ Do I ever hear back from them again?”
 
Manji is somewhat puzzled by the Canadian government’s response to the Arab Spring. On the day Egypt’s brutal dictator, Hosni Mubarak, announced that he was stepping down, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper told a press conference, “Well, you can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.”
 
“It was an ill-chosen metaphor, wasn’t it?” says Manji. “There are some conservatives, not all, but some, who want to put all Muslims in a box. They want to make the claim that in order for Western civilization to be safe, we must treat it as if it’s singularly superior. I’m not for a second denigrating Western society or culture – I know how lucky I am to have the freedoms I have. I think some believe other cultures are somehow inferior, that they can not have the things we have. If that’s what some on the right believe, I think they’re wrong.”
 
While picking apart some of what she sees problematic about identity politics, Manji has never been shy about the lesbian label. “I believe that if I wasn’t gay, I’d still be advocating for the changes that I’m talking about – pluralism, universal human rights and individual liberty. I started asking uncomfortable questions as a kid, and I didn’t know my sexual orientation then. I can say that the fact that I talk about being openly gay more in this book than the last one has, of course, made it more difficult to reach some mainstream Muslims. But I will say this: there is a wide ambit of Muslims who may not be gay but appreciate the fact that I’m out. For them, it’s a huge plus, because they feel it’s high time we heard those voices, too.
 
“Some mainstream and moderate Muslims say to me, ‘Oh Irshad, you shouldn’t have come out. If you hadn’t been out, your message could have reached so many more people.’ My argument is, people who are threatened by change will always find an excuse to dismiss your arguments. If it’s not the gay thing, it’ll be the woman thing. If it’s not the woman thing, it’s the fact that you were brought up in the West. Or it’s the fact that you’re South Asian and not Arab. It’s always something! So you know what? Thank you, God, for gifting me with all kinds of identities, of baggage, that I happily tote, because that baggage opens up new vistas and worlds, which allow me to think about issues in new ways.”
 
Manji says her experiences as a trailblazing lesbian TV personality had a profound impact on her. “When I was hosting Queer Television at City TV, I got death threats. I was then part of an institution, so I had big burly bodyguards, and people were always looking out for me. When I left City and began writing about Muslim reform, I didn’t have the privilege of institutional protection. But the spine I had been eased into developing when I hosted Queer Television, that came from the context of being openly gay and advocating for the dignity of gays and lesbians. Now I’m advocating for the dignity of reformist Muslims in a completely different context – though they’re all part of the same universe of human rights. So it all started with a gay TV show. It’s a real full-circle story, isn’t it?”
 
Which reminds me: this time around, Manji has no bodyguard. (Which is too bad – he was quite hot.) “I told the bodyguard that it really wasn’t working for me. It wasn’t about physical intrusion at all. Speaking from within the faith of Islam, I knew there would be young Muslims watching what I do. If I’m constantly surrounded by 24/7 security, I would be sending them the message, inadvertently, that this is the only way you can speak up. And it’s simply not true.
 
“I say this to my mother when she asks about the latest death threats: I know there are people out there who would like to kill me. But if they did, the cause would be more alive than ever. My bodyguard once said to me, ‘I can try to anticipate things, but if a nutter snaps, that’s probably it — I’m not sure I can protect you from it.’ All I can do is remind myself of the integrity of the work. I’m not afraid to die, if need be. I’m not courting it, but I’m not afraid. In not being afraid, I’m saying to the enemies of reason and humanity, You are not going to have more power than you already claim.”
 
 
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The trouble with Manji
An author as polarizing as the issues she discusses
 
Whenever I’ve written about Irshad Manji and her work, I’m struck by the vast gaps in responses she evokes. People either send me notes of appreciation (“Love her courage,” “Powerful stuff”) or serious anger.
 
“Oh god, that woman is so fucking annoying,” one person emailed me, after an interview ran in the Montreal Mirror recently. In the piece, I brought up criticisms of Manji but took a mainly positive tone about the new book. A friend of Egyptian descent was put off by the way I’d written it, calling it “a John and Yoko love-in.”
 
Manji certainly has her boosters; the back flap of her book lists an impressive array of endorsements. There are the flakes (Deepak Chopra, Oprah), the quasi-flakes (Gloria Steinem), but then there are also the heavyweights, including journalists Bill Moyers and Fareed Zakaria, who praise Manji at length.
 
Author Norman Finkelstein is one of Manji’s detractors. A staunch critic of Israeli policies, he is the author of the hugely controversial book The Holocaust Industry. “She’s a useless idiot,” Finkelstein says of Manji. “A complete fraud. With only a BA from UBC she lands a position at Yale and then NYU? What kind of system creates freaks like this?” In particular, Finkelstein takes issue with a 2006 op ed column Manji wrote in The New York Times, “How I Learned to Love the Wall,” in which she defended the security wall the Israeli government was building. “Her research appeared to be talking to one Palestinian. It was such a bad joke.”
 
Finkelstein argues that “there are libraries full of serious scholarship by Muslims who are trying to reconcile their faith with a modern world. Manji’s work isn’t serious; theirs is. She’s heading a department in moral courage? At NYU? Calling for reform of Islam at NYU takes about as much courage as calling for reform of capitalism at the Kremlin!”


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This woman is not a Muslim
...in any way that matters. Perhaps her parents or grandparents are Muslim, who knows? So why do we care what she thinks?
Jim, Toronto Ontario
08/10/11 1:09 PM EST
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Muslim or ex-muslim?
If Ms Manji is no longer a true believer in Islam in its entirety (because Islam doesn't permit partial belief or moderated belief or interpreted belief), why doesn't she say so in public. "I renounce Islam and all its evils". Go ahead, Ms Manji, do it. This would take some courage. A few ex-Muslims have done this (Hirsi Ali comes to mind). Why not you? If you're an ex-Muslim, have the courage to state this publicly. Do you represent Muslims or ex-Muslims?
Jim, Toronto Ontario
08/10/11 1:28 PM EST
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Moderate?
And if Ms Manji is going to use the phrase "moderate Muslim", she's going to have to explain what that means exactly. If this is a concept in Islam, maybe she could point to the "moderate" congregations in Toronto? Does it mean a less-than-literal interpretation of the Koran? Could she perhaps point out a moderate congregation in Toronto that believes this? Does it mean a Muslim who doesn't go to the mosque, ie a Muslim who says (over and over again) that he's a Muslim and yet doesn't really believe in it and has a Western lifestyle -- but is too afraid to talk publicly and honestly about her lack faith? What does "moderate Muslim" mean exactly?
Jim, Toronto Ontario
08/10/11 1:36 PM EST
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give it up Jim
You don't have to play guitar to write a book about Jimi Hendrix. Why do you need to know Irshad's religious identity so badly? She was raised Muslim, has written extensively about Islam, her relationship with it, has travelled the world and studied the faith, its people, its institutions, lectured about it, published books about it. Is all that not enough for you? Does she have to get on her knees in the back of a mosque for you to take her work seriously? I'm sure if you READ HER BOOK you could answer some of those stupid ass questions you've posed like an interogator. Furthermore, I think you're kind of sick for wishing Irshad more harm than she's already been threatend with. You can be critical of something without outright renouncing it. Irshad Manji and Ayan Hirsi Ali are two completely different people, with different experiences, and different messages. Why do you need them to be the same person so badly? There's something off about you.
Ryan, Toronto ON
08/10/11 4:55 PM EST
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You're in way over your head, Ryan
Whom do you think Irshad needs protection from, Ryan? I'll give you a hint: it's not Catholics and it's not United Church folk. You don't understand how far beyond the pale Irshad is when she talks about her interpretation of Islam. Did you know that people are killed for renouncing Islam? Did you know that people are killed for questioning Mohammed? I admire Irshad but don't think for a minute that Moslems think of her as one of them. And make no mistake about it. Irshad is free to speak because she relies upon non-Muslims for her freedom to speak. Something to think about, gays. Learn a little about the "religion of peace."
xox, xox Ontario
08/10/11 5:45 PM EST
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@Ryan
Your very first post, and only the second poster, and already you're engaged in partisan vitriol, insulting the other posters and breaking the posting guidelines. You couldn't even wait till the discussion got started. Ryan, you demean the concept of "comment". You are doing your best to stifle discussion with ad hominem attacks, surprising in someone who claims to be a freedom of expression advocate. Maybe you need to take a break from the internet. It's turned you into a troll.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
08/10/11 6:09 PM EST
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I'm open to Irshad Manji's book
As an opponent of QuAIA, I have been emotionally affected by the controversy generated by QuAIA's antics in the two years (I have taken the insults of QuAIA supporters quite personally). But, I'll read Irshad Manji's book. At least she doesn't have the angry, hateful, vile, condescending tone of QuAIA and its supporters.
Jake, Toronto Ontario
08/10/11 10:59 PM EST
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Evidence informs me
that those whom subscribe or adhere to religious doctrine, text and organized religion or faith are infants, are mentally ill, are intellectually developmentally delayed or all or a combination of the above. As such we should enact laws immediately to ensure that the infantile and mentally ill are not in positions of power or authority with which to infect the rest of healthy society with their sickness(s) through abuse of power....It's just a thought, maybe I'm wrong.
Karlene, Toronto Ont
08/11/11 12:34 AM EST
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Jim, what's your deal with Irshad?
Jim, I think we should care what she thinks because it has taken balls of steel to do what she has done. She has taken on fundamental Islamism as a woman and a lesbian. That's much more frightening than coming out as a gay man in Canada, as I did. I haven't always liked her - she seems to have a fetish for self-promotion - but she is a voice for moderation and tolerance, both from Muslims and for them. At least she's making a contribution when most others are just yelling and hating. And she knows her stuff. She's well read and she teaches. I don't understand why you don't think she has something worthwhile to say. She has asked people to challenge Muslims, decrying the "soft racism of diminished expectations" - essentially, do us the service of disagreeing with us and having an adult conversation. That can only be a good thing in my estimation.
Alejandro, Toronto ON
08/11/11 1:35 AM EST
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ongoing death threats and intimidation
@Karlene You and other naive, sheltered people don't realize that the people you call infantile or mentally ill, may be exactly that, but they carry guns. Religiosity or any extreme idealism is difficult to legislate when their proponents have armies and weapons backing them up and some of them are dictators who rule countries. More specifically, Jihadists are difficult to just “legislate” especially across borders; you have to catch them first and try not to loose limbs or lives in the process. Jihadi hit-and-run cowards have killed Prime Ministers and members of parliament, and whole police stations and battalions of army personnel. Religious fundamentalists intimidate neighbourhoods and individuals. Anyone who criticizes them and their beliefs gets ongoing death threats and various forms of intimidation. Have you read the news? That is why Irshad Manji is so brave. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie, Raheel Raza, Tarek Fatah and other brave Muslims who have spoken out about extremists and the source of their ideologies, have to hide out or hire body guards to protect them. It is irrelevant if they “call” themselves “moderate.” I thank Irshad Manji and similar others for speaking up, while most cower or pretend to be egalitarian multiculturalists, spouting abstract, politically correct, grand-mal-academia-lalia.
Voice, Toronto Ont
08/11/11 3:08 AM EST
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What's with all the Islamaphobia?
I wish communities that face hardships would be more apt to perceive ignorance when it is applied to others. Alas, it is not so. The Muslim community in Canada is among the most vilified in this country. As is usual among bigots, their targeting has nothing to do with reality, and everything to with grand generalizations and untruths. Those that target Canadian Muslims usually justify it by citing the actions of extremists in entirely different cultures overseas. As if to blame a Canadian tax-paying father for the actions of a Saudi terrorist. As with all logic of bigots, when examined, it collapses under its own weight.
Julien, Ottawa ON
08/11/11 11:57 AM EST
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“Oh Allah, give defeat to the Kufaar”
Irshad Manji, Raheel Raza, Tarek Fatah, are Canadian Muslims who have gotten death threats in Canada, along with their European Muslim counterparts Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie. There are Imams in Toronto preaching hate and ending their prayers with asking: “Oh Allah, give victory to Muslims and Islam…Oh Allah, give defeat to the Kufaar and Mushriqeen” the “Kufar” are Christians and Jews. The “Toronto18” who were caught in a terror plot in Canada were Canadian Muslims. The 6 Muslim Canadians who joined Al-Shabab in Somalia, one of them died, probably didn't pay taxes. And there are Muslims who live under threat from other Fundamentalist Muslims in their own neighbourhood. And there are Muslims, many Gay ones, who escaped death, persecution in their own country and are still hiding out in fear in Canada. There are also war criminals hiding out in Canada. The Government is trying to find them. And there are more and more women wearing Niqabs/Burkas in downtown Canadian cities, fresh off the boat from Burka-Stan. What an insult to Canadian soldiers who risk their life fighting Taliban/Alkaida so that these women can freely show their faces to the sun. Instead they cover their faces as they did in their old oppressive countries. And the Fundamentalists hate Gays. “Muslims don't vote for Gays” Remember the election signs? So, Julien is one of the Politically Correct who likes to smooth things over rather than examine them in detail. Nice, Nice, Nice Boy...
Habibi, Toronto Ont
08/11/11 1:46 PM EST
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Lesbian Muslim?
I'm not sure what you're trying to shove down my throat, but I'm not swallowing.
Georgia, Toronto ON
08/11/11 1:51 PM EST
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atheist jews and moderate muslims
If there can be such a thing as an atheist Jew, then why not a moderate Muslim?
Fenneke, Leiden the Netherlands
08/11/11 1:59 PM EST
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Islamophobia? Where, exactly?
Julien, I don't actually see a lot of "Islamophobia" which, frankly, seems to be a word employed like a weapon whenever there is criticism of Islam or Muslims, whether or not it is justified. Gay and lesbian people have suffered greatly at the hands of religious conservatives of various faiths, and in a gay liberation publication/website we will continue to criticize any encroachment of religious morality into the public sphere, whether it is from Catholicism, Evangelism or various threads of Islam. Religion is ideology, and as such in a free society we have a right to criticize it. In general, Islamic majority countries are not happy places for gay and lesbian people; even secular ones such as Turkey are dicey, and I know that from experience. Bigotry deserves our condemnation. Criticism is our right. But you are right. There is a lot of immoderate discussion of Islam. However, the reasons for that to some degree originate in the actions of its proponents. Muttering passive-aggressively about Islamophobia and bigotry doesn't address the real issues we're facing, and social conservatives continue to pressure for religiously influenced public policy. Irshad Manji and Tarek Fatah seem to be some of the very few self-identified Muslim moderates who are trying to make a difference. They deserve our support.
Alex, Toronto ON
08/11/11 2:27 PM EST
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BTW, Georgia
Islam is a very efficient and personal religion, without the stupefying bureaucracy of Rome or the endless tests of faith other religions impose. If Irshad has proclaimed with appropriate gusto an exclamation of faith that "there is no god but Allah and that Mohammad is his messenger", she's begun her journey as a Muslim. That's all it takes. There's no pope, no excommunication, etc. So there, she's a moderate Muslim. Why is that so hard to grasp?
Alex, Toronto ON
08/11/11 2:37 PM EST
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There are no moderate Muslims
Islam is all about social control by other Muslims. Other Muslims do not accept Irshad Manji. Irshad Manji needs bodyguards and protection from other Muslims. Personally, I admire her - but I am not a Muslim. Again, more gays should learn about the "religion of peace" and why Canada should be wary. Islam and the public sphere don't mix. Read her book. But remember she needs protection from other Muslims to say what she says.
xox, Ontario Ontario
08/11/11 5:51 PM EST
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bigotry
Anyone who assumes an entire group of people, in this case Muslims, are all alike is a bigot. Its no different than those people who think all gay men are pedophiles because of NAMBLA. There is always far more differences within whatever group of people than between different groups of people. Claiming there are no moderate Muslims is not only bigotry but ignoring reality. I've worked with many different Muslim men and women over the last 20 or so years and they've all been different, in their religious devotion as well as their points of view on varying topics. None of them ever treated me any differently or avoided me after finding out that I'm gay, maybe they don't approve of me being gay, I don't know and don't care, all I care about is how they actually treat me which has been no different than before they knew I'm gay. As well it was Muslim Canadians who turned in the "Toronto 18" to police and a Muslim who infiltrated their organization to collect evidence. Why would they do that if they're all the same extremist fundamentalists? Some Muslims even smoke and drink, some Muslims have dogs for pets in spite of the belief that Muslims hate dogs. Muslims come from a wide range of different cultures from around the world. Anyone who thinks Muslims are all the same is both a bigot and an idiot. For some in these comments sections its clearly not about the problems with certain Muslim ideologies so much as an attempt to whip up hatred against all Muslims by portraying all Muslims as a threat while ignoring the very real and much more organized threat to LGBTQ people from Christian anti-LGBTQ organizations. If we can handle the threat from the better organized Christian anti-LGBTQ groups we can certainly handle the anti-LGBTQ beliefs of some, or perhaps even most, Muslims in Canada. Besides which alienating Muslims from Canadian society just because they're Muslim contributes greatly to the radicalization of some, especially young 2nd generation Canadian Mus
Rich, Toronto Ontario
08/11/11 9:51 PM EST
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Muslim diversity
Here's a few more links that I'm sure the usual suspects won't read that talk about the diversity among Muslims and how they all aren't alike. http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/page.php?id=5&a=960 and http://www.islamicpluralism.org/1756/the-canadian-front-against-radical-islam and http://www.islamicpluralism.org/1512/why-canadian-muslims-are-different That's just from a quick google search. Even if you don't know any Muslims you can still read about them, from a variety of sources, not just anti-Muslim ones, and see for yourself the variation in thought and beliefs by Muslims, especially in Canada and the west in general. There is no excuse for the ignorance of believing that all Muslims are the same or that there are no moderate Muslims, not when so much information is available online even if you don't know any Muslims in your everyday life. Yes there are problems with Islam, same with every religion, and just like with other religions Islam is open to criticism, but to label all Muslims not only as all the same but all extremist fundamentalists is both bigotry and idiocy. As well don't try to pretend that what is essentially civil war in some Muslim majority nations has anything to do with Canadian Muslims, some of whom who fled those conflicts for the freedoms and safety of Canada. Deal with the tangible issues, but don't ignore the reality that Muslims are just as diverse as any other religion or group of people. Besides which how are Muslim immigrants supposed to integrate into Canadian society when they face a wall of hatred and bigotry when they try to do so?
Rich, Toronto Ontario
08/11/11 10:10 PM EST
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What mosque is she a member of?
Perhaps Irshad should have been asked what mosque she attends when in Canada or what mosque in Toronto she's spoken at. I'm guessing 0, but perhaps Xtra can prove me wrong. A more balanced journalistic paper probably would be asking her these things.
xox, xox Ontario
08/11/11 10:59 PM EST
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Ban or burn all Niqabs/Burqas
@Rich “how are Muslim immigrants supposed to integrate into Canadian society...?” The ones who wear Niqabs and even Burqas on Canadian city streets, should take them off, along with their other atrocious head-gear and costumes. They should dress like Canadians around them. That would be a good start. As long as they separate themselves with costumes they remain separate. The ever increasing number of Niqabis on Canadian streets is an insult to Canadian soldiers who risked their lives in the Middle East, so that women would be free to show their faces to the sun. Older Middle Eastern women say that 30 years ago there were very few Niqabis in the Middle East and they are growing in numbers because it is Saudi cultural Imperialism. Ban the Niqab/Burqa as they did in Quebec and France and Denmark. Face coverings are banned in Mecca, Islam's holiest place. Face coverings are not required by the Koran. Niqabs/Burqas are not religion. They are a forced social custom. Canadians should un-force that custom by banning it in all public spaces, indoors and outdoors.
Burn-all-Niqabs, Toronto Ont
08/11/11 11:56 PM EST
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Muslims of all shapes and sizes and beliefs
@Rich I really liked your links on Muslims in Canadian society. Most of the articles point to Muslims who live happily and contribute to Canada. There is a whole pile of articles which link to different newspapers on various Muslim topics. I'm learning a lot. http://www.islamicpluralism.org/topics/8/canadian-muslims ______ http://www.islamicpluralism.org/documents/1660.pdf _____ Yet all is not rosy. “religious extremism amongst Muslim youth remains a growing concern and must be addressed, say community leaders and national security experts. Youth are being radicalized in their own homes by tapping into an online jihadi cyberworld and behind closed doors of private prayer rooms where firebrand religious ideologues go unchallenged. And, they are traveling overseas, to countries such as Somalia and Pakistan, to take up arms and fight jihad. [6 joined Al-Shabab recently, 1 died] The trend is especially troubling for Canada’s spy agency, which is tracking more than 200 individuals with possible links to terrorism. And for the police officers who are tasked with fighting terrorism in Toronto, which is the busiest unit in the country. There are also alarms being raised in the Muslim community. “If we don’t address the issue of radicalism, sooner or later there will be a far more sophisticated Toronto 18 that we will not detect and there will be an act of terror committed in our cities,” warns Tarek Fatah of the secular Muslim Canadian Congress. “Are we safe? I don’t think so.” http://www3.thestar.com/static/toronto18/index.6.html
Yes-But, Toronto Ont
08/12/11 12:34 AM EST
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Accept peoples religion as self-identified
XOX, how is what mosques she attends - if she even does - any of your business, or mine? Most of my family is nominally Christian, but most of them rarely make it to church. Religious service attendance has been declining across the society - but that doesn't mean people aren't individually believers. It means they don't require a middleman to commune with their God/Allah/Yahweh/etc. She needn't prove to you that she goes to masjid/mosque in order to call herself a Muslim. If she says she's a Muslim, she's a Muslim. Leave it alone.
Alex, Toronto ON
08/12/11 3:37 AM EST
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Being Gay = death under Sharia Muslim law
Alex, you're seeing all of this talk about Islam on some personal level. It's not. It's about gauging the acceptance of Irshad's words in the Muslim community. And that acceptance is very low. Gays must understand this and not take Irshad's words to be reflective of Muslims and their religion.
xox, xox Ontario
08/12/11 1:26 PM EST
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Why don't you interview me...
...my grandparents were Christians. My mother, too.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
08/13/11 8:25 AM EST
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I'm a self-identified
Green Cloud, who floats above the skies of Toronto and eats Pink Dragon's....I'm self-identified, that means it's true.
Kyle, Toronto Ontario
08/13/11 9:10 AM EST
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Irshad likes Israel too
Some of Irshad's biggest boosters were in the Jewish community - including the Israeli security guards she needed at her book launches in Toronto. Unlike some of those who are trying to convince you there is a 'kinder gentler Islam that is pro-gay and pro-feminist and democratic and hates Israel', Irshad took the risks and lived behind bullet proof glass in Toronto. Salaam hated her and I know she would not have supported QUAIA as Xtra and CAP and Pride have done. I'm proud of Irshad, but I'd have to say that she is mistaken in marketing 'ijtihad' which was a brief elite era of Muslim freedom of thought in the medieval period. There is no such thing as 'liberal religious Islam' as there is in Judaism and Christianity, there is no imam that will marry a gay couple, and there are no female or gay imams. Irshad is free to study and pursue her faith as she likes, and I'm glad she supports democracy and Israel, but this is not Islam, and I get tired of Xtra and our LGBT community promoting 'diversity' it does not understand, especially in cultures like radical Islam, which if given the chance (after infiltrating Canada's universities and left and feminist and LGBT communities) would eliminate every democratic freedom and every human right we cherish in Canada as dissidents, people of various faiths and races, as women, and as LGBT people. Happy Ramadan - last week there was a swastika sprayed on a Jewish synagogue with the words Islam will rule. Who do you think did it? It wasn't likely Jews or Christians, and we're sick of the hate crimes and security threats and costs generated by Canadians' uncritical embrace of anti-democratic Jihad.
Barb, Toronto Ont
08/13/11 9:27 AM EST
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Barb said...
"...I get tired of Xtra and our LGBT community promoting 'diversity' it does not understand," ....Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. Any critical thought or assessment of any kind and one is immediately dismissed as a hater. This includes at Colleges and Universities. The all important critical mass of people with critical capacity no longer exists. Hunker down and prepare, we've been here before. Another DaVinci,Copernicus or even a DesCarte is not around the corner, at least not in our lifetime.
Trudy, Toronto Ontario
08/13/11 9:44 AM EST
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Great points, Barb
And by the way, Irshad is also for a ban on the burka because she knows it is not a woman's free will to wear one. But will multiculturalists listen? Nope.
Very well put, Barb, Ontario Ontario
08/13/11 11:21 AM EST
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Moderate Muslims?
I don't understand why this concept is so difficult to grasp. There are moderate Muslims, just as there are moderate Christians. If you identify as Muslim despite not praying numerous times a day, you can still be a Muslim...just not a very good one. This is no different than how I could potentially identify as being Catholic, despite not going to church or observing lenten restrictions...I'm just not a "good Catholic." It's true that Sharia law and Islam (when taken literally) would stifle the freedoms we all enjoy in a liberal-democratic state. However, if we let any religious fundamentalist run the country based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, Torah or any other holy book, our freedoms would also be curtailed. However, I do not believe that Islam is above reproach and that it should be free from criticism. In the same way we are free to criticize Christianity and Judaism without the threat of death, we should also be afforded the same right to criticize Islam. However, I will not paint an entire belief system with a single brush stroke. There are Muslims who perform unspeakable acts against their fellow human beings that are deemed acceptable in certain interpretations of Islam and the Quran. Just as the Crusades, the Inquisition and pogroms were also once deemed acceptable by certain interepretations of Christianity and the Bible.
Norm, Ottawa Ontario
08/15/11 2:38 PM EST
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Religions
Who is saying that there is a kinder gentler Islam that is pro-gay and pro-feminist? I didn't get this sense from any post or even from Irshad's interview. The major religions of the world aren't exactly pro-gay or pro-feminist. They all tend to be highly misogynistic.
Norm, Ottawa Ontario
08/15/11 2:49 PM EST
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@Norm
There is a huge difference between between being a lapsed Muslim and a moderate Muslim. In both Christianity and Judaism, for example, they put words like "moderate" or "reform" on the sign in front of the building. The people inside practise their religion fully. They don't have this concept in Islam. I'd like to acknowledge that Ms Manji is a brave woman to base her life and career on this, but I just wish she'd be a little more upfront about her apostasy. The world is desperately in need of ex-Muslims who openly declare their apostasy and survive.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
08/24/11 1:23 PM EST
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Care for a laugh?
In the article it is stated: "She rejects relativism, which would allow many to write off sexism and homophobia in other cultures, and instead calls herself a PLURALIST, MEANING PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT CULTURES SHOULD SHARE CERTAIN ETHICAL BELIEFS." According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "pluralist" in fact means: "Of, belonging to, based on, or advocating pluralism in politics, society, culture, etc." And "pluralism" means: "The presence or tolerance of a diversity of ethnic or cultural groups within a society or state; (the advocacy of) toleration or acceptance of the coextistene of DIFFERING views, values, cultures, etc." Differing, not the same. On top of Finkelstein's excellent question: "With only a BA from UBC she lands a position at Yale and then NYU?", we may also ask, should'nt we expect someone who works at Yale/NYU to know to consult a dictionary? Don't gays, lesbians and Muslims deserve better representative than this clown?
Martin, Ottawa ON
09/02/11 1:44 PM EST
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Irshad Manji is a joke
Irshad, like Tarek Fatah, is a Muslim apologist who says all the things xenophobic bigots want to hear. It's a shame people in the LGBTQ communities give her a free ride past GO just because she's a lesbian. I know very few Muslims who have any respect for her.
Bruce, Toronto ON
09/20/11 4:50 PM EST
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@ Bruce - What is objectionable?
Bruce, can you be more specific about what you find objectionable about what Irshad Manji says? Clearly, there are Muslims who find both writers objectionable as both have had death threats made to them by other Muslims. Are both under a fatwa as well, Bruce? For voicing their thoughts?
xox, xox Ontario
09/20/11 11:06 PM EST
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For all the jealous clowns
For all the jealous clowns, who putdown Irshad Manji, she got a prestigious job at Yale and NYU and you didn't. Henry Ford was a highschool dropout, Buckminster fuller didn't even finish his BA and became one of the most famous architects of the 20th C. Richard Branson of Virgin Mobile+ was a highschool dropout and today a multibillionaire. It's easier to criticize and putdown than to do, or to achieve equal success. As for how many Muslims or whoever does not respect her....Galileo was imprisoned for his ideas because some people didn't respect him during HIS lifetime...There are enough people who do respect her. She made a spot in the limelight and inspires people who would not otherwise have outspoken rolemodels who dare criticize Islam. To dare to criticize Islam is in itself a brave achievement as so many are afraid to do so. She has more intelligence and balls than any of you mousy bitches who only dare to natter anony-mouse-ly in XTRA. Who are you?!!! anyone special?!!! NO !!! What did you make of your life?!!! Nothing!!! Who knows you?!!! No-one(s)!!!
Critique, Toronto Ont
09/21/11 1:37 AM EST
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