Hostile clashes dominate women's conference
NEWS / Pro-sex-worker activists beaten down in name of feminism
Lara Purvis / Ottawa / Monday, July 18, 2011
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At the recent Women's World 2011 Conference held in Ottawa, sex workers and their allies found themselves silenced and outnumbered by anti-sex-work groups and a controversial art exhibit entitled Flesh Mapping: Prostitution in a Globalized World.

Promoted as a global feminist conference, Women's World 2011 saw the convergence of almost 2,000 women from 92 countries, from July 3 to 7 at the University of Ottawa.

Designed to bring together researchers and activists on women's issues, this year's event unexpectedly highlighted a deep and painful fissure in the feminist movement, with hostile clashes at the sex-worker advocacy panels and in the common spaces over the course of the five days.

The week's schedule included numerous panels arguing, from various angles, to end global prostitution. This movement, more commonly associated with an earlier generation of anti-pornography, anti-sex-work feminism, argues that sex work is inherently exploitative of women, further entrenching patriarchal structures.

In comparison, pro-sex-work groups at Women's World were small in number. Groups like Prostitutes of Ottawa/Gatineau Work, Educate and Resist (POWER), Toronto's Maggie's and Montreal's Stella work as sex-worker advocacy groups, arguing for safer working conditions, harm-reduction strategies and the option to choose their occupation. Together they support groups like Sex Professionals of Canada (SPOC), which has made significant grounds in arguing for decriminalization in Canada.

The chasm between the two groups became obvious at the Women's World multimedia exhibit Flesh Mapping: Prostitution in a Globalized World, which attracted much attention among media and conference delegates and marked a strong prohibitionist ideology throughout the conference.

The exhibit included 70 used bed sheets as canvases that expressed sentiments such as "Women are abandoned in the name of choice."

It was a disturbing exhibit for many, but, for activists like Tuulia Law of SPOC and the president of Students for Sex Workers' Rights at the University of Ottawa, it felt personal.

"It was a huge room - located, ironically, just down the hall from the Pride Centre - with messages about the horrors of prostitution and the impossibility of choice written all over and a bed in the middle," says Law. "Even the name - they were mapping our flesh - I found incredibly offensive, but being in that room, with all the folk-art-looking quilts and sheets that denied our existence and our choice, that denied the existence of choice in the sex industry at all, just made me want to die."

Oral presenters at the two sex-worker advocacy panels were also harassed.

A social-justice activist and former sex worker, Simone (not her real name), was a Women's World volunteer who attended a panel called The Stigma of Sex Work: Addressing the Problems, Organizing for Change.

"I realized there was a strong prohibitionist presence from the beginning. It was clear in the schedule and the general focus on the Flesh Mapping exhibit. And I overheard conversations in the elevators and all around me. I knew people were organizing to disrupt the workshops," says Simone.

After the presentations by panellists, which included Frédérique Chabot (POWER) and Colette Parent and moderators Chris Bruckert (University of Ottawa) and Nengeh Mensah (the Université du Québec à Montréal), the language turned personal.

When one audience member suggested that the presenters were perpetuating not only patriarchy but also the oppression of capitalism with their choices, a group of anti-sex-work supporters stood up and cheered.

"The panellists' responses were so powerful and well-spoken, but they were not heard. It was such a feeling of hatred towards sex-positive feminists," Simone says quietly.

"I got up and went to them where they stood congratulating each other. I said, "We had this much space in this conference." She holds up a hand, her thumb and finger an inch apart. "This much. And you squashed it. Why are you denying my existence? My choices? I am in this room," says Simone.

"It felt like a tornado went through the room," agrees Lindsay Blewett, an escort who attended the workshop. "It's really hard to describe how it felt. I felt so powerless, as nothing we could have done would have changed anything. They were not there to dialogue. They were there to humiliate us, to silence us, to laugh at us, to yell at us."

The hostility didn't end in the workshops. Pro-sex-work activists wearing T-shirts chose to sit quietly outside of the Flesh Mapping exhibition on the last day, offering informational materials and buttons in an effort to share another perspective.
Joining them was Bruckert, a researcher and professor from the University of Ottawa.

"We sought to take the high road and were respectful," says Bruckert. "It was perhaps 10 to 12 of us, mostly women, one young male student. A number of us were current or former workers; others were allies... I should note that I was there in part to show that some of us older feminists also question the prohibitionist discourse."

The reaction to their presence was visceral. One sex worker was asked if she'd ever been raped.

"One wonders at the bounds of human decency," Bruckert muses.

Another anti-sex-work supporter did media interviews, pointing to the group and implicating them in the harm done to other women, while others accused them of ignoring the needs and hurts of aboriginal women and of being in alliance with the police.

Though the group tried to respond to each concern, they were not heard.

"It was extremely demoralizing," says Chabot.

A representative for Women's World shared her disappointment at the events: "We now recognize that pro-sex-worker activists felt unsafe at the congress. We take this very seriously and have plans to dialogue with representatives of that community about how to ensure the situation is not repeated at future Women's Worlds and similar gatherings."

While the experiences of sex workers and their allies at Women's World left many wondering about solidarity and the meaning of feminism, Bruckert stands firm.

"I have been a feminist for 35 years and refuse to let that go. I am, however, profoundly disturbed by what I saw and experienced at Women's World. This was a silencing of the voices of marginalized women and unprovoked verbal violence. I am at a loss to define this as anything other than second-wave feminist imperialism."



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Various corrections
University of Ottawa, not "Ottawa University" Chris Bruckert, not "Brucket" Given xtra.ca's ongoing issues with accents, I'm loath to even suggest Frédérique, rather than "Frederique"...
Ian, Ottawa Ontario
07/18/11 10:13 PM EST
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because the grammar police need to stop it!!
Ian: Let me start by stating English is my third language so i will most likely have grammar mistakes (that takes some of the power you think you hold). For the meatier part of my comment, the fact that you read this article, and that you decided spelling AND grammar were the most important aspects of this story is disturbing to me. The behaviours exhibited by whore-phobic and prohibitionist "feminists" at this conference caught MY eye, and I would like to offer my love and support and utmost respect to those who had to face such bulls*it at the conference and who are facing it everyday. Ian, i suggest you do something within your capacity to provide some support for the people in your "community(ies) that are facing some f*cked up harassment because of the work they do.
shushan araya, ottawa ontario
07/19/11 11:11 AM EST
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Embarrassed
As a feminist I find this so shocking and embarrassing. There are so few of us, why are we looking for the things that divide us and not celebrating the things that unite us. Instead of attacking women for their choices, or lack of choices why not focus on the issues within sex work. For example; how it still remains one of the most dangerous professions in the world or how due to stigma and oppressive government practices womens health and safety are at risk.
Kathleen, Toronto Ontario
07/19/11 11:35 AM EST
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Why do these women continually seek to oppress oth
It is typical of those who follow the oppression paradigm in relation to sex work to belittle sex workers, and harass them without knowing how their violent words affect sex workers. The actions of these anti-sex feminists is violence, directed against sex worker, the vast majority of whom are women. They claim clients are violent against sex workers, without understanding, or even seeking to understand the relationships between sex workers and clients. They deplore this violence as violence against women. Yet it is not clients who are violent towards sex workers, as those who are violent have no intention of paying. Clients pay, rapists don't. Nevertheless, these anti-sex feminists fail to see how their words are equally as violent towards sex workers. Denying sex workers their agency by claiming sex workers suffer from false consciousness, inventing non-existent conditions like "partial post-traumatic stress disorder", telling lies about sex work and sex workers, conducting "research" that is aimed only at harming sex workers, and perpetuating stereotypes that harm not only sex workers but all women. So I return the question in the subject line: why do these women continually seek to oppress other women?
Calum Bennachie, Wellington New Zealand
07/19/11 11:44 AM EST
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Insensitive and offensive
Why do these "feminist" women think it's okay to come up to me and interrogate me about my experiences with violence, just because I'm a sex worker?
Emily, Ottawa Ontario
07/19/11 11:44 AM EST
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They lie and shout down the truth
The prohibitionist strange bedfellows of religious zealots and the misguided element of anti-sex work feminists you describe have been successful in shouting down conflicting views and convincing media to ignore reality and pay attention to their attempts to revive the fiction-inspired 'white slave' paranoia of 100 years ago. The reality is that large cities like Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, etc., have thousands of sex workers. It is absurd to believe that all or most of them are sex slaves forced into the business against their will. Yet that is exactly what much of the gullible media, and therefore the public, believe in the absence of truthful reporting that would refute the silly urban legends. Does it ever occur to them that it is a little strange that the authorities have had so much trouble locating and rescuing these thousands of alleged kidnapping victims from all the openly advertised and often licensed massage parlours and escort agencies? It is just bizarre that legitimate media in Canada still gives unwarranted credibility to the fear-mongering fiction of the silly prohibitionists, even after their ridiculous stories and fabricated statistics were exposed in the Himel judgement. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/in-prostitution-case-crowns-witnesses-characterized-as-liars-and-alarmists/article1316018/ http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/columnists/story.html?id=cd17cf45-dfbb-4f4a-a605-38a5ac542d7e http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails http://www.slate.com/id/2094896/ http://www.lewrockwell.com/spectator/spec51.html Canada should follow New Zealand and consult the thousands of sex workers about what laws should exist, the way we would with any other line of work, not silly dogma demonstrably not based in reality from alarmists with no connection to those they disingenuously claim to protect. http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/act-helps-health-and-safety-sex-workers-report-says
H.J.B., Toronto Ontario
07/19/11 12:22 PM EST
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About feminism
In my opinion,that imperialist feminism is just not feminism. They call themselves feminists but they are the opposite;
michelle, brussels belgium
07/19/11 2:37 PM EST
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On grammar
shushan araya- The distinction in the title of the University of Ottawa (University d'Ottawa) is a cultural one, and when it gets called "Ottawa University" it erases francophone culture. Also - it is annoying when people only comment om grammar, but in this case I think it is worth noting the correct spelling of an accomplished and impressive sex worker activist and professor. The two corrections made above by Ian are not just grammar quibbles, they are about respect for francophones and women activists.
1234, Ottawa Ontario
07/19/11 4:06 PM EST
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Sorry you were outnumbered
...but maybe this is meaningful of where feminist sympathies are now turning, in the wake of progress made throughout the world against the accelerating sexual exploitation of women and youths. If the abolitionist (not prohibitionist, abolitionist - if you preach respect, you should at least acknowledge this movement's specificity) movement has gained so much ground that individual survivors women can put up their experiences as art (I resist your pejorative diminishing of these works as "folk art") and be heard and validated by such a cosmopolitan and educated audience, maybe this needs to be taken into account by a lobby that goes on advocating for the pimps and brothel owners that create so much pain, one that is really and murderously silenced day in and day out... Abolitionists, and a growing number of other women and men, want society off the backs of prostituted people, but they (and I) resist including exploiters in decriminalization or giving the sexual exploitation of pople any further legitimacy. I think and hope common cause can be found again on that basis. It used to be the mission of the early sex workers movement (Alliance pour la Sécurité des Prostituées - 25 years ago in Montreal), before it was apparently taken over by industry interests.
martin dufresne, montreal quebec
07/19/11 4:12 PM EST
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ignoring the leadership of indigenous women
This article is incredibly skewed. It completely ignores that indigenous women's organizations (Aboriginal Women's Action Network, Native Women's Association of Canada, Quebec Native Women's Association) played a leadership role in Global Flesh-mapping. Surely their position, drawing attention to the sexual exploitation of indigenous women as a form of colonial violence, requires at least some acknowledgement here.
Lise Gotell, Edmonton Alberta
07/19/11 5:16 PM EST
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Wrong title but important discussion
As someone who attended Women's Worlds, it was disappointing to see that the title of the article framed it as an event filled with hostility. The feminist community has long suffered from a public perception of being a haven for angry women. yeah, lots of us are angry, but lots of us are interested in collaborative dialogue on the issues that divide us from other feminists and divide us from the rest of society more broadly. Your title and the set-up for your article doesn't do much to dispel any misconceptions and doesn't recognize my reality as a 3rd wave feminist. but whatever... The conference itself was a huge triumph for so many women of all social locations and circumstance and we should not diminish that. I witnessed women from Canada and all over the world coming away excited and reinvigorated by the ideas shared at the sessions they participated in. It was an amazing thing to see an be part of. I hesitate to say it but actually think the conflict surrounding the sex work debate didn't register for many of the participants given the host of women's issues being addressed at the conference. That, compiled with the absolutely shameful media coverage of the event. How would women know other than by word of mouth? That being said, I was very disappointed to hear what happened at the pro-sex work sessions. Second wave feminism has moved us forward, but has also moved us further from our goals. While many older leaders in the feminist movement are open and willing, many retain a resistance to issues that "muddy the waters". Second wave sisters must make room for and listen to the third wave "up and comers". This should be a lesson for Women's Worlds organizers. There is no one kind of feminist! In recognition of the differing opinions within the community there must be mechanisms built in to allow for safe and productive discussion.
Sally Mann, Ottawa Ontario
07/19/11 5:28 PM EST
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Opposing the prostitution industry
I'm not sure how Xtra can dismiss the movement opposing the prostitution industry as a throwback in the face of its growing strength. I participated in the Flesh Mapping dialogues in Vancouver and learned so much from activists of all ages and backgrounds who work with women in prostitution from around the world. There is nothing disrespectful about public dialogue between women from Mexico, India, the Phillipines, Japan, Australia... The same people who want to protect porn as expression want to take down paintings and change the curator's title of an art installation? The women who want their involvement in prostitution understood as "choice" can hardly then be outraged that other women would ask them to question whether their choices prop up partiarchy and colonialism, or how they are constrained by those forces. Those are the same questions that we asked of ourselves, among others, in the Flesh Mapping dialogues. I am proud of the organizers for bringing this project to Ottawa.
Janine Benedet, Vancouver BC
07/19/11 5:45 PM EST
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RE: Grammar and Martin's comment
1234: thank you for pointing that out, and I will hold myself accountable for not thinking about it in that way whilst actually discussing the contents of this article. martin dufresne: I REFUSE to put anti-sex work, choice hating, self-congratulatory, privileged people (men and women as you pointed out) in the same category as those who freed slaves from the choke holds of White slave owners, i repeat, I REFUSE!!! you and your crew shall remain in my books prohibitionists in the same ranks as those who called for the prohibition of alcohol.
Shushan, ottawa on
07/19/11 7:35 PM EST
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Addendum.
For those citing a few indigenous organizations who are anti-sex work in order to speak for a broader and diverse population here are some indigenous voices speaking for themselves. http://inciteblog.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/indigenous-peoples-in-the-sex-trade-–-speaking-for-ourselves/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=%23incite
shushan, ottawa Ontario
07/19/11 8:00 PM EST
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Not my feminism
It's one thing to disagree with the decriminalization of prostitution. It's another thing to shout down, shame and silence the voices of sex workers. Feminism has always taught me to respect women's choices and allow their voices to be heard. From what I have heard from sex workers who attended the conference, it was a hostile climate dominated by prohibitionists who prevented them from speaking their truth. This is shameful and not the brand of feminism that I want to be a part of.
Ariel Troster, Ottawa Ontario
07/19/11 9:06 PM EST
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a few things
I will continue to call abolitionist feminists prohibitionists because, I, unlike them, refuse to appropriate this term (or slavery, because sex work is NOT slavery) because to do so is to appropriate the experiences of enslaved racialized people. Janine, what was disrespectful was the verbal abuse directed at my colleagues. I find it somewhat hypocritical that prohibitionists were shouting that sex workers are not feminists, while at the same time participating in vicious verbal abuse of women. If you (prohibitionists) were really interested in dialogue, then perhaps, you might have actually listened to our responses to your questions, rather than cheering and clapping while your prohibitionist sisters silenced our voices. Maybe you're unsure of the definition of dialogue. Additionally, at a conference whose values included respect for diversity, prohibitionists who attended certainly showed none. To answer/counter some common prohibitionist arguments: If sex work is violence against women, is it also violence against men and transfolk? Or did you just forget to include them? Who is exploiting who if they both have a dick?(see Julian Marlow, "It's Different for Boys" in Whores and other Feminists ed. Jill Nagle) 500 Indian workers recently were trafficked after Hurricane Katrina to work in shipyards--why don't you want to abolish shipyard labour too? Or is trafficking only an issue when sex is involved?(http://www.businessinsider.com/indian-workers-sue-american-company-feburary-22-2011-2#ixzz1FLRN2Lmh) And to end, "from an anticapitalist perspective, sex work is perhaps the ultimate expression of worker ownership of means of production, as expressed in the slogan 'my body is my business,' as a person's body is the one asset that usually cannot be taken from them"(Liz Highleyman, "Professional Dominance").
Lindsay, Ottawa Ontario
07/19/11 9:09 PM EST
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Heartbreaking Report
Why do the prohibitionists, who supposedly want to save us sex workers, have no interest in letting us speak? If you care so much about women in sex work that you wish to save us, than allows us that much. In difficult economic times, people regress. This is devastating news for all women.
Juliana Piccillo, Tucson, AZ n/a
07/19/11 10:01 PM EST
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A skewed, rhetorical , unjustified attack
For all the above rhetoric about "shouting down" and "silencing", I am surprised that the only examples the writer could dredge up were "one audience member suggested they were perpetuating not only patriarchy but also the oppression of capitalism with their choices" - a perfectly reasonable suggestion, voiced during the question period - and one abolitionist asking someone protesting an anti-rape exhibition whether she herself had known this experience. In fact supporters of "sex work" may not have been cheered on that occasion ,but they *were* given a plenary panel with Jself-identified sex worker Jessica Yee at the very beginning of the conference - the "Indigenous Feminisms Rocks" opening show, a feature event open to all conference participants. Known opponents of abolitionism/supporters of "sex work" were also on hand as plenary moderators and In-Focus sessions concerned with HIV/AIDS services. There was, of course, the politically homogeneous "The Stigma of Sex Work" panel where absolutely no "shouting down" occured, by the writer's own account. Instead of accepting this less-than-journalistic account of the WW 2011 conference by people frustrated they were unable to silence survivors and critics of prostitution (and of XTRA's advertisers, maybe?), one ought to at least review its extremely diversified program that gives the lie to this skewed, rhetorical and unjustified attack: (http://www.womensworlds.ca/program/).
martin dufresne, montreal quebec
07/19/11 10:41 PM EST
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Message from the organizers of Women's Worlds 2011
We sincerely regret the incidents which resulted in anyone feeling attacked, silenced, or unsafe. We do not take this lightly. All participants were encouraged to follow our code of conduct and contribute to creating safe spaces for everyone. We therefore find it disappointing that some may not have done so. The objective of Women's Worlds 2011 was to provide the space and place for all sides of all debates to thrive, and for discussions - however heated - to take place in a respectful manner. We will be reflecting on what happened during the post-mortem discussions. We intend to pass along lessons learned to the organizers of Women's Worlds 2014, as well as impart them in our ongoing work within the women's movement. - Organizers of Women's Worlds 2011
pam kapoor, gatineau quebec
07/19/11 10:56 PM EST
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Headline grossly inaccurate
To suggest the described "clashes" "dominated" the congress is hyperbole, and we have registered a formal request of the editor/publisher to amend it. Hundreds of issues were debated by hundreds of women over several days. As previously stated, we take very seriously that some exchanges between prohibitionist activists and sex trade workers/advocates left some feeling like the congress was an unsafe space. We do plan to follow up on this in earnest, but would meanwhile sincerely appreciate if the hundreds of other timely and critical discussions/viewpoints debated successfully at the congress not be minimized. In solidarity, Organizers of Women's Worlds 2011
pam kapoor, gatineau quebec
07/19/11 11:15 PM EST
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Martin, what congress were you at?
I volunteered at this joke of a congress in order to waive the incredibly classist fee. I was there for what you have tried to downplay. Unfortunately, being called a racist whore is in fact verbal abuse, and shouting and attacking sex workers when they are attempting to answer your questions is absolutely uncalled for. The sex worker was not protesting an "anti-rape exhibition" (this makes it clear that you weren't there), as it was clearly an ANTI-SEX WORK exhibition, which effectively denied my choices and basic existence. The fact that any "feminist" would approach ANYONE and ask if they had been raped is appalling. Sex workers had a total of three panels, two of which were scheduled at the exact time--perhaps that's why the one panel had no shouters--they were all busy at the other panel shouting women down and humiliating them. Prohibitionists made their objections to Jessica Yee speaking very clear when a large majority of them got up and left the Indigenous Feminisms ROCK event. Then, on top of that, the entrance to the university, where every one of us had to pass to get to our panels, volunteer shifts, etc, was a large group of women holding lettered signs that spelled out "ABOLISH PROSTITUTION." That's hardly creating a safe space or allowing differing viewpoints to be heard. Additionally, sex workers have no wish to silence survivors of sexual violence, but we expect the same respect in return, which we did not receive.
Lindsay, Ottawa Ontario
07/20/11 12:46 AM EST
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More hyperbole
Lindsay writes: "...on top of that, the entrance to the university, where every one of us had to pass to get to our panels, volunteer shifts, etc, was a large group of women holding lettered signs that spelled out 'ABOLISH PROSTITUTION'." For anyone who may be snowed by this utter exaggeration, the writer is talking about a photo op that lasted approximately two minutes at *one moment* of the conference, where the photographs taken and put up on Facebook make clear that no one else was using these stairs at the time! (Should campus cops have run over and shooed away those pesky human rights activists?) Your arguments make it more clear that what irks you is not any specific abuse at WW 2011 but the very presence in feminism of abolitionist activists and researchers (http://bit.ly/n6xY2L), and that in Ottawa of the Flesh Mapping exhibition and discussions - exchanges that were respectful and open to all - around an art exhibit where prostitution survivors identified having experienced prostitution as paid RAPE. If this opportunity to let survivors be heard about their experience is what you say "effectively denied my choices and basic existence," I can only call this another example of hyperbole but, to these eyes at least, a much more egregious attempt at silencing women - and especially the more dispossessed women in Canada and the world - than a few cheers, spirited backtalk and a homemade sign. Thanks for at least making it clear how little respect you seem to have had from the start for this conference and its attendees. I am well aware of how harshly supoporters of prostitution work to silence and expel any critique of it in academia and the media; this will just have to be one case where they did not succeed.
martin dufresne, montreal quebec
07/20/11 9:32 AM EST
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P.S.
There were absolutely NO conference activities in Tabaret, the U of Ottawa building on which stairs the "Abolish Prostitution" photos were taken...
martin dufresne, montreal qc
07/20/11 11:15 AM EST
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photos or it didn't happen
Martin, Tabaret _is_ the 'front entrance' of the University of Ottawa. Here's a photo of the action being discussed: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennfarr/5958224266/in/photostream
Jenn Farr, Ottawa Ontario
07/20/11 11:51 AM EST
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Many voices
Who gets to define feminism? There are many voices fighting against violence against women all over the world. As an immigrant woman I can tell you that for women who live in oppressed countries prostitution is not a choice. I appreciate our differences and I appreciate the women who work hard to end violence against women.I think we should use our energy to support women instead of attacking women's one and other.
Elena, Vancouver,BC British Columbia
07/20/11 1:20 PM EST
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oh fer cryin' out loud--
I was at the conference. No one attacked anyone. Women attending panels and workshops asked questions and voiced disagreement with the presenters, in a respectful way. For example one woman asked of a 'sex work' panelist: "My idea of feminism is that it challenges patriarchy and capitalism. How does your agenda interfere with patriarchy or capitalism?" To call such a question "abusive", "silencing" or "whore-phobic" is manipulative and reveals the utter emptiness of your political position. I understand the discomfort that rises when one's beliefs and ideas are challenged. It's a most uncomfortable place to be, to be sure. But you know what? it's also a place of opportunity. If you can stay in this uncomfortable place and articulate your argument without resorting to insult or manipulation, we might be able to come to some agreement. some way to proceed. women in prostitution face horrific violence all the time. this violence comes from the men who buy them. Not from feminists seeking to interfere with the choices of these men. to conference organizers--this is inevitable fallout from the successful campaign of disciplined activists. No one at the conference was ever in any danger of attack from abolitionists or feminists. We do not resort to violence, fer pity's sake, we're *anti-violence* activists! We rely on our analysis developed from decades of experience interfering with male violence against women. thank you.
Erin Graham, Vancouver BC
07/20/11 2:04 PM EST
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"beaten down"???
Since when is political disagreement expressed verbally a "beat down"? One wonders how such delicate flowers these pro-prostitution advocates must be if feminists disagreeing with them makes them feel "unsafe" while pornographers and punters spit their creatively hateful slurs at them as a matter of daily routine. Please re-title the essay to reflect the nonviolent truth while respecting victims of violence who have actually been "beaten down" for political dissidence.
LiaS, Vancouver BC
07/20/11 4:45 PM EST
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what about men's choice to violate women?
"As an immigrant woman I can tell you that for women who live in oppressed countries prostitution is not a choice." Exactly. The very small percentage of women who feel it is a choice need to realize they are coming from very privileged place. Most women aren't forced into prostitution by a gun to their head, but end up there do to incest (it's all they know), escaping an abusive home situation, poverty, lack of other job choices, etc. There are also women who really are tricked by powerful pimps who they believe are their boyfriends into prostituting for them. It happens more often than you might think...nearly happened to me. Everyone keeps focusing on the choices of women to sell their bodies...what about the choices of men to treat them with the abuse they do in prostitution? One final comment: virtually every woman I know who has exited the sex industry has said while she was in it she felt empowered...it was only some time after she left that she realized how horrible it was. Everyone's life is a work in progress.
womononajourney, Boston MA
07/20/11 9:36 PM EST
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Immigrant women can speak for themselves
why do white/liberal/non-immigrant feminists always reach for the "immigrant women have it worst" trick bag when they want to win an argument? Stop it and speak for yourselves!
shushan, ottawa on
07/20/11 11:45 PM EST
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part 1
Again, I repeat, BEING CALLED A RACIST WHORE IS VERBAL ABUSE, A BEATDOWN, and whatever else you want to call it. We were very respectful of the Flesh Mapping exhibit, and as I have said prior, no one wants to silence their experiences--but when they're sitting around with sheets that read "prostitution is not an acceptable choice" they are effectively denying my choices and existence. I didn't have a problem with the exhibit, nor did I have any problem with ANY of the anti-sex work panels. Again, my problem is with the actions of prohibitionists who felt it necessary to interrupt panels (and I'm sorry Erin, but one person asking their question respectfully, and then everyone else cheering so as to drown out the response is called SILENCING), and surround and scream at us that we were racist and so forth. Screaming at someone is not a dialogue. Please don't make me put up a definition of dialogue! And NO sex worker claims prostitution is perfect, nor are we against listening to critiques, but when we offer perfectly reasonable arguments in return which are not listened to, then I have a problem. I offered such arguments in an earlier comment, which you(Martin) have conveniently ignored. Prostitution is not violence against women. Penetration is not rape. Being forced to do something against your will (regardless of what it is) is violence against women. Instead of trying to hurt everyone who chooses prostitution as a legit option, why not try to punish those who force women into prostitution? Why not create more options for women so that prostitution is not their only option? Oh, because that would be logical. Instead, you're all here trying to downplay a very serious, and damaging incident. Womonajourney: "what about the choices of men to treat them with the abuse they do in prostitution? " The men who abuse prostitutes do so because of the marginalization/stigmatization of sex work which stems from being criminalized--it is NOT INHERENT TO TH
Lindsay, Ottawa Ontario
07/21/11 12:44 AM EST
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there was a part 2...don't know where it went
I'm having commenting issues! I'm sorry if my part 2 somehow got posted twice, and then this, or if part 2 didn't get posted at all and you're wondering, why is she writing. Anyway, I had a huge response to finish off the first part of my comment, but I'm tired, and it doesn't seem to be posting. Suffice it to say, sex work is not inherently violent or exploitative. Criminalization creates an environment where certain people can take advantage of the marginalization of sex workers.
Lindsay, Ottawa Ontario
07/21/11 1:23 AM EST
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speaking out
first,i need to address this comment "why do white/liberal/non-immigrant feminists always reach for the "immigrant women have it worst" trick bag when they want to win an argument? ...". Oh, if only racism and the violence that immigrant women, women of colour, and indigenous women face was a "bag of tricks" to be pulled out, at convenience, to win arguments over the internet. i suppose this is akin to "pulling out the race card" to win an argument, a statement i've heard many times as an indigenous woman speaking out against colonialism, racism, sexism, and capitalism. i attended women's worlds and i am a proud indigenous feminist who opposes the sex industry and who views that industry as an extension of colonialism. what i saw, and what i see, is political disagreement and to characterize that disagreement as "verbal abuse" is inaccurate. "Prostitution is not violence against women. Penetration is not rape". i see prostitution as violence against women - this means we disagree and my saying so is not abusive (although i have witnessed incidents of my indigenous sisters speaking out and that strength being constructed as "savage" and "threatening" - a continuation of racist attitudes in my mind). i do not read any comments arguing "penetration is rape", i'm not sure why this is mentioned. "...why not try to punish those who force women into prostitution? Why not create more options for women so that prostitution is not their only option?..." if you were educated on the abolitionist position, you would know that we work and advocate for both of thes
cherry, living on unceded Coast Salish Territories BC
07/21/11 1:56 AM EST
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part 2 - speaking out
of these things. we also focus on holding the sex industry (tricks, pimps, brothel owners, traffickers) accountable for the harms it/they does/do to women and children. what i saw at women's worlds were brave women speaking out against a very wealthy industry that benefits men in every way. and when women speak out against these patriarchal, capitalist, racist, and colonialist systems, backlash ensues. i've seen my sisters struggle against this backlash for hundreds of years. ps - the quotation marks i put in that first part came out all funny. thanks for your patience with that.
cherry, living on unceded Coast Salish Territories BC
07/21/11 2:09 AM EST
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part 1 - speaking out - more legible
first,i need to address this comment 'why do white/liberal/non-immigrant feminists always reach for the 'immigrant women have it worst' trick bag when they want to win an argument? ...'. Oh, if only racism and the violence that immigrant women, women of colour, and indigenous women face was a 'bag of tricks' to be pulled out, at convenience, to win arguments over the internet. i suppose this is akin to 'pulling out the race card' to win an argument, a statement i've heard many times as an indigenous woman speaking out against colonialism, racism, sexism, and capitalism. i attended women's worlds and i am a proud indigenous feminist who opposes the sex industry and who views that industry as an extension of colonialism. what i saw, and what i see, is political disagreement and to characterize that disagreement as 'verbal abuse' is inaccurate. 'Prostitution is not violence against women. Penetration is not rape'. i see prostitution as violence against women - this means we disagree and my saying so is not abusive (although i have witnessed incidents of my indigenous sisters speaking out and that strength being constructed as 'savage' and 'threatening' - a continuation of racist attitudes in my mind). i do not read any comments arguing 'penetration is rape', i'm not sure why this is mentioned. '...why not try to punish those who force women into prostitution? Why not create more options for women so that prostitution is not their only option?...' if you were educated on the abolitionist position, you would know that we work and advocate for both of these
cherry, living on unceded Coast Salish Territories BC
07/21/11 2:36 AM EST
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Agreements and disagreements
I am dismayed to learn about the level of hostility and invective directed against sex workers who attended this conference. This is reprehensible behaviour for which there is no excuse or justification. Of course there are differences between feminists; there are different kinds of feminism, as well. Whether all sex workers are exploited, coerced and victims of violence is a matter of debate because some feminists assume the right to decide what other women's--that is, sex workers'--experiences are. That the sex workers concerned do not see themselves as victims is, inexplicably, ignored. When some workers are told that they are not capable of forming a clear, objective analysis of their own contexts and choices because, in others' supposedly superior view, they have been blinded or brainwashed in their victimization, sirens should go off everywhere. Not only is it dehumanizing to deny us agency and respect, but such paternalism is one of the things that most feminists have resisted from early times. I am a sex worker in Vancouver. I don't know any sex workers anywhere in the country who approve of human trafficking for the sex trade. I don't know any sex workers who approve of the sexual exploitation of children. None of the workers I know believe that anyone should be forced or coerced into working in the sex trade. BUT some of us have made and continue to make conscious, independent choices to work in this industry. Our choices should be respected.
Samantha Evans, Vancouver B.C.
07/21/11 4:02 AM EST
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one other thing
If we were to take sex work out of this entire equation and people were shouting, and interrupting panelists, they would be asked to leave--people would not be cheering. If a group of women standing silently outside an exhibit were then surrounded by a another, larger group of women and again screamed at, some of which were epithets, I am still at a loss as to how this is not verbal abuse, and not emotionally damaging.
Lindsay, Ottawa Ontario
07/21/11 7:41 AM EST
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Bullies
It's been my experience that feminists as a group are bullies. They effectively told women back in the 70's that something was wrong with us if we didn't want to work outside of the house for 40 hours a week and farm out our kids to daycare. Don't get me wrong, if that is a woman's honest choice, go for it. Unfortunately, if a woman chose to stay home and take care of house and children, she was looked at as a lesser person, BY WOMEN!! Feminists remind me of the cliques in high school. If you don't spout the same rhetoric, you are to be shamed and shunned. I'm disgusted and saddened by this mindset.
Elizabeth, Ottawa Ontario
07/21/11 10:26 AM EST
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sex workers see themselves as victims
"That the sex workers concerned do not see themselves as victims is, inexplicably, ignored.".... Actually, this whole article is premised on sex workers as oppressed victims of mean old feminists who dare to disagree with them. Pimps are enslaving prostitutes around the world, johns are raping and murdering them in drastic numbers, pornographers sexually exploit them and throw them away...but activist women who question the severe harms of a multi-billion dollar industry built on misogyny are painted as the oppressors. Take away the "sex workers are victims of human rights activists" plot and this article dissolves into nothing. What a wasted opportunity to discuss what MEN are doing to sex workers, the heart of the matter.
immas, Portland Oregon
07/21/11 10:39 AM EST
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Nobody's victim (1)
Immas, I'm nobody's victim. Prohibitionists are not "human rights activists" if they declare that only they can define what human rights are or should be. Feminists have consistently advocated for women's right to choose what happens to their bodies, as in having choices about birth control and access to abortion, as well as the right to choose what kind of employment they engage in, from skilled trades to medicine or law. Apparently, however, prohibitionists deny women's right to choose to work in the sex trade. While they cloak their opposition in mocked-up concern for trafficked women (they ignore people forced into domestic, industrial, agricultural and construction labour, which is where 96% of trafficked workers are found), it's clear that their real interest is to censor, punish and threaten the economic livelihood of women in the sex trade. They have nothing to say about the genuine safety concerns of street sex workers. They say nothing about the fact that most street sex workers are addicted to street drugs and/or struggling with serious mental illnesses. They are completely mute about what should, or will, happen to women who have chosen to make a living and support their children by working in the sex trade. Prohibitionists also dismiss the fact that about 85% of sex workers work indoors where we are much safer and where most of us manage our own businesses without pimps and where we are no more likely to be addicted to drugs and alcohol than women in any profession.
Samantha Evans, Vancouver B.C.
07/21/11 11:20 AM EST
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Immas: To say "What a wasted opportunity to discuss what MEN are doing to sex workers, the heart of the matter" is being ignorant or willfully excluding the many workers who are men, trans, or other, and that clients (just as workers) are not only one gender or identity. Please respect that there are many stories and experiences and viewpoints, and that yours may not necessarily be the dominant voice.
Kate, Ottawa Ontario
07/21/11 11:45 AM EST
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Nobody's victim (2)
I have been working as a paid companion/courtesan/escort/prostitute for most of the last 10 years both in Toronto and Vancouver. I have always worked independently, advertising legally in print and on the Internet. I have met with many, many hundreds of clients. While this work has not been a constant bed of roses and silk sheets, it hasn't been filled with violence and degradation, either. I have never, ever been raped or physically harmed by a client. When pimps have approached me under the guise of operating a new escort agency looking for workers, I have easily turned them away and haven't been harmed for doing so. I keep 100% of what I earn, declare my full income on my tax return every year and pay taxes accordingly. I am not a slave or a victim and no one exploits me. I choose my clients and screen them carefully to ensure my safety. I work hard. I work very discretely. I am successful because I am sensible, I take no unnecessary risks, I have no drug or alcohol addictions, I never see anyone I don't choose to see, and I provide excellent service. My occupation may not be one that other people easily approve of, but it's not something that anyone is forced to deal with, either, because it doesn't disrupt anyone's quality of life. I suspect that one of the prime, yet unspoken, reasons prohibitionists rail against prostitutes is that they feel threatened by women like me. After all, my clients are indistinguishable from other women's husbands, partners, brothers, fathers, sons and friends. If sex workers' clients are men the prohibitionists know and love, they feel lost, shut out and threatened that we will take these men away from them, leaving them alone and ashamed, exposed as women who cannot keep their men happy.
Samantha Evans, Vancouver B.C.
07/21/11 11:55 AM EST
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I was there, I saw it happen!
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/notes/justine-alison/feminism-sex-work-and-womens-worlds-2011-letter-to-the-conference/10150321183100016 This is not my letter but i fully support what the author is saying. Especially the fact that the feminist movement should be in touch with the fact that women are the experts in their own lives. Have we not learned that yet my fellow feminists? Outraged!
I volunteered at women's world, ottawa on
07/21/11 1:07 PM EST
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Look at the positive
If a group of women standing silently outside an exhibit were then surrounded by a another, larger group of women and again screamed at, some of which were epithets, I am still at a loss as to how this is not verbal abuse, and not emotionally damaging. Yes, IF. However, I was given an entirely different account of this confrontation: The group of protestors numbered approx. 20 women, all of them White, and was being harangued by an older Montreal pro-prostitution activist, also White, about how sex work was not anything like what the survivor/authors of the FleshMappping exhibition said it had been for them, that it was or could be empowering, glamorous, etc. This speech, from a few metres away, was being given loudly enough to disrupt the actual multi-racial and process-conscious workshop which the protestors had chosen to snub. Two Indigenous women came over from the FleshMapping exchange and started debating the issues with the protestors. Some tempers did flare, on both sides, but Lindsay's presentation of it appears to me as disingenuous as her attempt to present the photo op on Tabaret's steps as having hindered the conference for anyone. (Indeed, this photo was taken AFTER THE END of the conference, as a gleeful, parting get-together.) As for people cheering at a question, we are all used to that happening sometimes on contentious issues. If an answer from a person sitting in front, in a position of relative authority, may be hard to hear, maybe it is because she did not have the courtesy to wait for the audience reaction to subside before responding. Instead of grasping at straws & playing the victim - something I have seen men claim for so long: feeling silenced and brow-beaten by feminist advocacy - why not acknowledge that something great happened in Ottawa: an insightful, forward-looking world discussion on supporting the women who DO suffer greatly from commercial sexual exploitation. Should those who don't really be ignoring/misrepreing that
martn dufresne, montreal quebec
07/21/11 3:03 PM EST
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last words
...be misrepresenting that?
martin dufresne, montreal qc
07/21/11 3:15 PM EST
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What else is new?
People belittling or denying women who claim abuse. What else is new, Martin?
Emily, Ottawa Ontario
07/21/11 4:30 PM EST
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It's not your business, it is ours
martin, I've seen your commentaries before you were banned from rabble, and frankly, you should be banned from here as well. How do you, as you often do, presume to be the voice of women, feminists, and sex workers, is beyond me. You then want to say the panelist didn't have the "courtesy" to wait for the shouting and jeering by the abolitionits to "stop" before speaking. REally, if you were asked a question at panel you think you should have to wait for quiet first? Wouldn't you think that the question asked is waiting for an answer, rather that these rabble rousers trying to drown out anything they didn't want to hear, typical. Let's revisit your silent protesters, let's turn them into men, and make their presentation anti-abortion. Now what spin will you put on that, as a number of feminist pro-choice conference attendees try to file past that little display? Really, it is summed up nicely, by saying sex workers are the new housewifes, readily demonized and belittled by a certain type of feminist afraid to allow them to make their own choices. Why not sit still and LISTEN to what sex workers, over and over and over again, are telling you: They are NOT VICTIMS.. we make a lot of money, you are trying to take that away from us, and you can damn well be sure we are not going to sit silent while you try to eliminate our security. I don't think any workers would allow anyone to take their jobs without a fight.
kathleen, vancouver BC
07/21/11 4:41 PM EST
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well, you weren't there were you Martin?
Wow. You are really hellbent on downplaying what happened. Cheering at one question is certainly a misrepresentation of what actually happened. They cheered, shouted, clapped and would not stop, even when asked to allow panelists to respond. It was not a case of panelists not waiting for the audience response to subside. It was a pretty clear cut example of silencing. But as you were not there, I fail to see how you can comment on anything.
Lindsay, Ottawa Ontario
07/21/11 4:48 PM EST
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thoughts
I feel very bad for the women who are saying how much they love being prostituted. The best analogy I can think of is of women who start pro-ana and pro-self injury sites. They declare they loving having an eating disorder and that it is their choice. Sometimes they are forced to go into the hospital against their will; sometimes this only makes them worse; other times this results in an eventual recovery. However, years later, looking back on their illness, they cannot believe they lived that way. There are also women in relationships with men who are controlling, if not outright abusive but they insist this is the man for them, age doesn't really matter, they're not like anybody else, etc. It's only on looking back that they find some aspects of the relationship problamatic and wouldn't wish it on anybody else. My point is not that either of these two situations are like prostitution but rather that our self-narratives change over time.
Anna, Seattle WA
07/21/11 5:38 PM EST
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Not your place
Anna, it's not your place to judge a woman's personal decisions about her body, her occupation, and her life.
Anna, Ottawa Ontario
07/21/11 7:58 PM EST
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who are the real bullies
The article is totally skewed and does not reflect actually what happened, I was there at the conference. Many women from around the world participated and added to the conversation on how prostitution has negatively impacted women from their countries. Flesh Mapping was a forum to reveal the realities and truths of prostitution around the world. The conversation included women that was prostituted. To diminish the realities, experience and expertise of these women and what they were articulating is the real silencing that is happening. To continuously deny the truth of the harms of prostitution is to silence the most marginalized, it is an active erasure of our experiences as women of colour and immigrants. Women of colour is way over represented in prostitution in Canada and world wide. This is not a coincidence. Prostitution is not only a sexist but racist act. These bullying tactics and accusations is just another attempt to prevent the real and legitimate disagreement.
YY, Vancouver BC
07/21/11 9:20 PM EST
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The prostituted and the marginalized
The experiences of women who have been coerced or forced into prostitution are important. No one should have to work in the sex trade unless they freely choose to do so. I don't think that any sex worker will say otherwise. What most of us object to is being referred to and considered to be "prostituted," implying that our decisions to work in the sex trade are not ours, that we are not intelligent, aware, thoughtful or pro-active in our lives, but that we are mindless victims of more than a need to make a living and a willingness to choose this particular occupation. This notion is deeply insulting. I agree that women are harmed by working in the sex trade, however I insist on qualifying my agreement by pointing out that the women who are most at risk are those who engage in street prostitution. These women have many problems which, in my experience, are often greater than the dilemmas they face working on the streets. It is an inescapable fact that the vast majority of street sex workers are addicted to street drugs and/or are suffering from significant mental illnesses. It is these conditions that must be addressed. Ignoring them so that we can point to prostitution as the problem contributes to, indeed, I think it increases, the risks and harms they face every day. If these woman had access to safe drugs and if they had immediate, effective support to get off drugs when they choose to do so, there would be no need for them to engage in prostitution to support their addictions. I am eager to hear from aboriginal and other marginalized women about their addictions and what they and their communities are doing about that so that they don't need to be sex workers.
Samantha Evans, Vancouver B.C.
07/21/11 9:42 PM EST
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response to Anna in Ottawa
Anna, Can you please explain how I am being judgemental? I would honestly like to know, because I don't feel I have the right to tell other women what to do. Samantha Evans, With all due respect, the women I've known who've worked in upper level escort services have survived the most traumatic experiences I've ever heard about. Indeed, I've come across research that actually shows that the men who purchase sex from women indoors are more violent on the whole than those who purchase off the street. Perhaps because they have more money they feel they are entitled to do whatever they like...which isn't to say women who work the street don't face serious, serious problems as well.
Anna, Seattle Wa
07/22/11 10:09 AM EST
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Working indoors
Anna, I don't know of any reliable research about the dangers indoor sex workers face. Someone at SFU is studying this, now. I do know that most women who work as independents (that is, they're not working for agencies, massage parlors or strip clubs) do so because having complete control over who we see and what we do with them is the best way to ensure our safety. While there are fine escort agencies that take very good care of their workers, they employ only a tiny percentage of workers. Agencies do the client screening (if they do any at all) which can mean that a worker may be sent to do a call with someone she would not have chosen, herself. If the guy expects some services that she doesn't offer, there can be conflict. I have never been subjected to, or feared, violence from any of my clients in all the years I've been working. The men I see just want some company and intimacy. They're not looking to cause trouble for anyone and they have every reason to assume that, if they did, they would face criminal charges. I would not hesitate to report a man for assaulting me and I think my clients know it. My ex-husband, however, was coercive, threatening and highly controlling: he was a much greater danger to me than any of my clients. Like most women, I have been at greatest risk of harm in my marriage in part because our culture does *not* automatically assume that domestic violence may be a feature of the relationship. By contrast, it is my experience that the men who see independent sex workers often go out of their way to demonstrate that they are not dangerous or likely to cause us harm because they want to avoid the stereotype that says they are violent rapists and abusers.
Samantha Evans, Vancouver B.C.
07/22/11 11:58 AM EST
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Judgmental
Anna,, seattle, the "research" you refer to is highly biased, and is not supported by real and recent facts. A study is being done now on the topic, but a related study done a couple of years ago is what is driving it. In the earlier study, it was very clear that indoor workers were not experiencing violence or safety issues on anywhere near the level of a street worker. If you are truly interested in real information about the sex trade with real legitimate research, I would suggest you read the information provided in the ruling by Judge Himel in the recent court challenge in Ontario, Canada. In this information, Judge HImiel makes it VERY clear that anything Melissa Farley presented as "facts" were highly suspect and would not be allowed into the discussion. In addition, overturning certain laws that attempt to control our legal prostitution in Canada were based on safety issues, one being that workers who worked indoors had a lot more control over their environment, did not have safety issues because of this, and that it was clear to the judge that working indoors was highly effective in ensuring they were going avoid a lot of dangerous situations. In the not too distant past, a couple of gas station attendents were killed by customers attempting to leave without paying. What is your solution to protecting gas station attendents from the very clear and present danger they are in by choosing their work? You are judgmental when you try to link a mental disorder (anorexia or cutting) to the choice to be a sex worker. How can they possibly be linked in your mind? Its more appropriate to say a sex worker would rather choose sex work than to put herself in very obvious danger of working at a gas station, imo.
kathleen, Vancouver BC
07/22/11 2:16 PM EST
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One woman's experience of prostitution and denial
Reading Rebecca Mott's blog about her experience of indoors, allegedly safer prostitution, has been a learning experience for me. Maybe it can be for others before the shallow trivialization and denial of such experiences proceeds too far: http://wp.me/paIl9-y1
martin dufresne, montreal qc
07/22/11 6:38 PM EST
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selective reading
martin, selecting one blog for one experience, in order to justify silencing or ignoring the experiences of sex workers who are actually talking, here and at that conference, is very selective, and very poor research. Why persist in ignoring the stories already presented, in order to further a biased agenda? Given the reality, that sex workers will work whatever obstacles are put in their path, isn't it better to deal with that reality instead of dismissing it? Heads in the sand, imagining dangers that do not exist indoors, and so on. As an argument, it is also dangerous to work indoors, is lame since the point is that it is MORE dangerous to work outdoors. Isn't the point to get safer working conditions for everyone, regardless of what that work is. Do you think that sex workers are more in danger because they work alone? Then why isn't your solution that they be able to work in pairs or in a brothel, with others? If your only concern is that by working indoors can lead to dangerous situations, then how is it that your solution is to eliminate the work altogether? It is dangerous for gas station attendents to run out and try to stop someone who gassed up and tried to drive away. Several have been killed when doing this. The solution wasn't to shut down all the gas stations, or to make buying gas illegal. The effort was made to increase their security. The customers were required to pay before pumping. So what is the difference? You take the legal business of prostitution and make sure , just as Judge Himel believes, that it is not made more dangerous by applying punitive laws in the guise of "helping". You aren't helping anyone by scaremongering with false information presented as "facts". You do not know the facts, because you have chosen to ignore and dismiss them.
kathleen, vancouver BC
07/22/11 7:15 PM EST
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who is actually dismissive?
Wow, I am astonished at folk's like Kathleens's quick and utter dismissal of anyone that disagrees with them, eg Martin, and Anna. Very hypocritical for someone complaining of the same thing. Without seeing Anna's evidence, you dismiss it. So have you read every research study on sex work then? And have training on data analysis, sampling procedures, etc? Did you read any of Rebecca's blog? She was in various forms of prostitution, indoors mostly, for well over a decade. To dismiss her experiences, and that of women, hundreds over the years, that she saw and spoke with, sometimes befriending, as ONLY her experience, ONE woman's is downright ignorant. Do you think she never spoke with other women in the brothels, etc she was in? That she doesn't have the weight of what happened to the sisters/women she knew on her shoulders? Do you think she is so self centred as for it to be all about her and her fweelings? Most else of what i want to say has already been said, so i won't :)
winnie, cambridge on
07/22/11 10:33 PM EST
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Trauma storiesw
I am not trivializing Rebecca Mott's story, nor do I have any intent to deny that she is honestly describing what she really experienced. It sounds like Ms. Mott was under the control of at least one violent pimp and that she had no real choice about whether she would become a sex worker. This is completely wrong. No one should be forced into the sex trade by anyone, ever. No one who is in the sex trade should be forced to engage in activities without her own, enthusiastic consent. Pimping and sexual assault are crimes and the pimps and criminals should be prosecuted, absolutely. However, I am very tired of what Audicia Ray calls “sex worker trauma porn”--stories about how horrible sex work is, how bad the men are, how exploited, degraded, used and abused honest sex workers always feel. We know that’s not true for most of us. These stories are frequently told--indeed, the women's experiences are often exploited--to fulfill agendas promoted by others, such as the prohibitionists, who do not actually care about the safety and well-being of women working in the sex trade by choice or under duress. The stories are told in support of a naive campaign to eliminate prostitution which will not succeed but will certainly drive prostitution underground and promote the interests of pimps and violent abusers. This is not to say that being a paid companion is a bed of roses all the time. There has to be a way to engage with the stories of women who have retired or been rescued from the sex trade. There has to be a way to listen to the broad range of sex workers' stories and experiences instead of silencing those who do not support a particular agenda.
Samantha Evans, Vancouver BC
07/22/11 10:53 PM EST
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Who to Fear
Another conversation elsewhere brought this classic article to mind. It's a blog post by Born Whore titled "It's You I'm Afraid Of." It's germane to this discussion and great reading, period. Find it at http://bornwhore.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/its-you-im-afraid-of/
Samantha Evans, Vancouver B.C.
07/23/11 2:48 AM EST
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@ winnie
Yes, actually I have read all the majority of articles, and the rhetoric and the falsely interpreted data as well as the debunking articles and analysis of those same reports. I also do have a background in qualitative and statistical analysis. I also have real life experience, over 10 years. Have you? Have you seen the police admit that the number used to promote anti trafficking are highly exagerrated? that the #s used to provoke a crackdown on brothels and sex workers in the UK went from a student study of 140 foreign workers brought into the country to a whopping 140,000, of which, of course the police were only able to find 30?, and of those 30, charged 5 or 6? You see, I don't take someone else's word for fact, I look deeper into the media and research and find out for myself. Especially when these socalled facts so grossly conflict with my reality, and the reality of hundreds of other sex workers that I network with. It started with the claim that all sex workers started at 14, and all sex workers were abused, or suffered incest or whatever bs they try to feed the gullible. Surveying online indoor workers, showed the average age much higher, certainly over 20, and that a great number started when 35 or older. How does that play into that particular piece of nonsense used as Proof? The facts are out there, and if you allow yourself to be served up someone else's truth without personally verifying it, then you shouldn't be promoting it. If you bother to read Elizabeth's link, you will hear the same opinion. Open your mind, there are more stories. And afaik, prostitution and prostitute are words, but one cannot be prostituted. Its a ridiculous term meant to brainwash people.
kathleen, vancouver bc
07/23/11 3:43 PM EST
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Sex Worker And Proud
Since coming out as a sex worker activist, I have found myself unwelcome in so many feminist spaces that I have disavowed it. I am so often shocked by the fact that my clients and fans will take the time to get know me but feminists will not. I went to one conference where pornographic images were played for the crowd. The audience was encouraged to describe the image. Every phrase was negative--brainless, soulless, piece of meat, bimbo, worthless, and many more. I never understood what the point of that exercise was but it made it clear that there was nothing that I would be welcome to contribute.
Maggie Mayhem, California, USA CA
07/29/11 3:46 AM EST
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Why is a man speaking?
I am presuming that Martin Dufresne is a woman reclaiming a traditionally male name. If not, and this person is indeed a male (and not a transmale) then their words are poison and should be banned from a wymmens' forum about wymmens' issues.
Shashafresh Kin-Dwor Boudicca, Bolton NS
08/03/11 12:09 PM EST
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another man speaking
Sorry, but Xtra doesn't just belong to 'wimmin'. I am a guy. I am also a friend (and client) of Lindsey. Here is the issue from another perspective: what she and I (and other CONSENTING adults) do sexually in private is none of your goddamn business. Nor is it the government's, the cop's, women's groups, men's groups ,the clergy etc. Leave us alone. Fix your own sex lives. Stay the hell out of ours.
jerry smiddaz, ottawa ontario
08/04/11 1:40 AM EST
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