QuAIA complaint triggers legal dispute panel
PRIDE NEWS / Group may still march in Pride parade: lawyer
Andrea Houston / Toronto / Tuesday, June 12, 2012
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A gay and lesbian Jewish group has filed a formal complaint about Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) to the Pride Toronto (PT) dispute resolution panel.

Justine Apple, executive director of Kulanu, states in her June 8 complaint that QuAIA's "behaviour and rhetoric are hurtful to Jewish parade participants and to supporters of Israel."

Kulanu’s complaint also notes, “The message Queers Against Israeli Apartheid present in its name, messaging, and signage, is that Israel is an apartheid state. This characterization is contrary to the undertaking required by Pride Toronto in that QuAIA presents images that condone or may condone negative stereotypes against persons or groups. QuAIA’s messages are divisive and damaging to both the parade and the city of Toronto.

"Jewish members of the LGBT community reported to CAP (the Community Advisory Panel) in 2011 that they considered the linking of Apartheid and Israel to be ‘false,’ ‘offensive,’ ‘provocative,’ ‘inflammatory’ and made them feel ‘unwelcome’ and ‘fearful for their safety.’”
Kulanu's Justine Apple at city council last week.
(Andrea Houston)


It’s the first complaint of its kind to come before the dispute resolution committee.

The dispute resolution process was implemented following a recommendation that came out of a series of meetings held by the community advisory panel, CAP, which were called after a bitter three-year public fight over QuAIA's participation in Pride. PT describes the dispute process as an arm's-length legal arbitration panel for anyone who wishes to complain about any group marching in the parade. The decision of the panel is meant to be final.

Lawyer Doug Elliott, who is leading the dispute resolution process, says QuAIA has one week to respond and indicate whether it plans to participate in the process.

“This is a legal process of interpretation,” Elliott says. “The decision will be based on legal arguments about what the rules mean in the context of this complaint . . . The complaint is against QuAIA, not Pride Toronto.”

The panel will be made up of three local legal experts. QuAIA will be permitted to nominate up to three names for one spot on the panel. The complaint form states that Kulanu has nominated Elliott and Toronto lawyer Andrew Pinto.

One panel member is already confirmed: Toronto lawyer Robert G Coates will serve as chair.

Since Kulanu’s complaint is mainly about QuAIA's signs and messaging, Elliott explains, the panel may only make a decision based on that. “So that may not preclude the group from marching. It may just preclude them from having that kind of sign.”
Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) marching in Toronto Pride 2010.
(Xtra file photo)


Last week, Toronto city council approved a motion to “condemn” the phrase “Israeli apartheid.” Elliott says it will be up to the panel to determine if the city’s decision will factor in to the final ruling.

“Because it’s a legal process, [the city’s condemnation] would go into the category of evidence, as opposed to a legal ruling,” he says. “A decision by city council is not a judicial ruling. It’s the opinion of city council.”

The motion by city council contradicts a report by the city manager released last year confirming the phrase "Israeli apartheid" – and by extension QuAIA's participation in Pride celebrations – does not violate the city's anti-discrimination policy, which all beneficiaries of city funds must agree to.

Elliott says the city policy may be submitted to the dispute panel as evidence.

“That’s halfway between evidence and law,” he explains. “The city manager was not exercising a judicial function when he expressed that opinion. It’s not a binding ruling by any stretch. It could be considered by the panel, but that will be up to them.”

The city’s anti-discrimination policy returns to executive committee in September and is expected to contain changes with regard to the phrase “Israeli apartheid.” Council will not approve the updated version until it meets in October.

Apple says she applauds city council for condemning the phrase “Israeli apartheid,” adding that QuAIA “is hijacking the parade with anti-Israel propaganda.”
Members of Kulanu.
(Kulanu)


“Their hateful, discriminatory messaging alienates the people of Toronto and has no place in a parade that celebrates inclusion, tolerance and diversity,” she says.

PT executive director Kevin Beaulieu says the board will be watching the process closely but will not have any involvement. “We will continue planning for a successful 2012 festival.”

"Israeli apartheid" is a phrase used by other groups advocating for peace in the Middle East.
(wordsandwar.com)


QuAIA spokesperson Tony Souza says he is confident in the dispute process.

QuAIA has never preached hatred. We are just stating a fact,” he says. “We are not anti-Semitic. We work for justice, peace and equality for Palestinian queers. The fact remains that Palestinian queers do not have the same rights. Apartheid means separate. [Palestinian queers] have a separate identity and rights within Israel, and that’s our message.

“If people are uncomfortable with that message, and see it as offensive, that’s different than saying it’s a message of hate. Those are two totally different things.”

Assam Alyamani, a representative with Palestine House in Mississisauga, says the term "Israeli apartheid" is an accurate criticism of the Israeli government's policy in regard to the Palestinian Territories.

"It is well documented that the Israeli government discriminates against indigenous people,” he says. “There are different rules for Jewish and non-Jewish people in many aspects, such as services, budgets, [policies] within municipalities, occupations and laws. They evacuate indigenous people from their villages and towns. There are many facts that support the argument that Israel is an apartheid state.”

At a 2010 conference, Jonathan Cook, a journalist and the author of Disappearing Palestine, explained why the phrase accurately describes the political situation in the West Bank.

"There are at least 30 laws that explicitly discriminate between Jews and non-Jews," he said. "They live in entirely separate physical worlds. They live in separate physical communities, separated not through choice, but through legally enforceable rules and procedures." 

Former US president Jimmy Carter, the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize winner, also called Israel an "apartheid state" in 2006.

“When Israel does occupy this territory deep within the West Bank, and connects the 200 or so settlements with each other, with a road, and then prohibits the Palestinians from using that road, or in many cases even crossing the road, this perpetrates even worse instances of apartness, or apartheid, than we witnessed even in South Africa."

Former US president Jimmy Carter with his 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.
(moonbattery.com)


Desmond Tutu, the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize winner, has said the situation in Israel very much resembles South Africa when it was an apartheid state. “If you change the names, the description of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank would be a description of what is happening in South Africa.”

The Israeli human rights group B'tselem reached the same conclusion in a 2002 report, noting "Israel has created in the Occupied Territories a regime of separation based on discrimination, applying two separate systems of law in the same area and basing the rights of individuals on their nationality. This regime . . . is reminiscent of . . . the apartheid regime in South Africa.”

How long the dispute process will take is unknown at this point, Elliott says. “From our perspective, we understand it’s important for everyone concerned to get this resolved as expeditiously as possible, and we will do everything we can to achieve a resolution that’s consistent with a fair process.”

There is no guarantee that a decision will come in time for the 2012 Pride festival. “It’s possible,” he says. PT has already stated that if a decision is not reached before the parade, QuAIA will still be allowed to march.
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Reader Comments


 
Make love not war!
I don't think Pride's the place to bring an issue with as much negative feeling as the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict. People do have strong feelings about it and it is a very divisive subject. Pride should be for everyone. If a group celebrating Paletinian LGBT culture were to march no one would have a problem with it. QuAIA's participation is more like an attack. The message of Pride should be let's celebrate our pride and progress together, not fight our battles. Peace in!
Una, Toronto Ontario
06/12/12 5:17 PM EST
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Everyone
Una, if Pride really is for *everyone*, is it not then also for those queers who feel strongly enough about Middle East politics that they feel compelled to speak up? Some queers are highly motivated by line dancing, some by playing baseball, and others by participating in campaigns for social justice. They aren't disrupting Pride, they are just parading - parading their opinions. The fact that you disapprove of their opinions, or disapprove of the fact that their opinions are important enough to them to parade them, is not a sufficient reason to suppress them. The world is not a universally happy place, and wanting everyone to just put on a happy face and pretend otherwise is not going to do anything to improve the situation.
Edward Parker, Vancouver BC
06/12/12 9:36 PM EST
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Justine and Terry, get ready for the hate mail
I feel sorry for Justine Apple and Terry Maiden of Kulanu. Xtra, in keeping with its ongoing support of QuAIA, posted a copy of their complaint to Pride Toronto without redacting their home phone numbers and email addresses (and Justine's work and cell numbers). A media outlet with a minimum level of journalistic ethics would have redacted their phone numbers and email addresses before posting a copy of the document. Now, hateful QuAIA supporters will bombard them with hateful phone and email messages (just like QuAIA has hounded its opponents in the past).
David, Toronto ON
06/12/12 9:52 PM EST
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David is correct
Xtra is very bias in their coverage of all this and they act like people can not tell.Also some within he QuAIA say they have all the IP Addresses of anyone who opposes them. I think the Question how do they have access to them? Is Xtra willing to violate the Canadian Piracy act over this? Also with Jimmy Carter he did take it back on Israel and the Apartheid lie but of course that is something the author forgot top look up.
Bo Xtra, Bo Xtra Bo Xtra
06/12/12 10:11 PM EST
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My sincere hope
My sincere hope is that people who support Human Rights for Palestinans Shame on Kulanu for stirring up false fear. They ultimately have reinforced anti semetism by crying harm when there is none.3 people all who want media attention or have media ties are the only ones keeping it going. QuAiA participants have harmed no one? Grow up in tolerance Kulanu and stop giving the left Jews a bad name. Many LGBT Jews won't even associate with Kulanu.
jamie, toronto ON
06/12/12 10:30 PM EST
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No Ziotrolls!
Hasbara spam alert With Israel's foreign ministry organising volunteers to flood news websites with pro-Israeli comments, Propaganda 2.0 is here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media A Field Guide to Hasbara http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/01/284723.html
Justice4All, , ,
06/12/12 10:31 PM EST
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@ David
Justine and Terry have alot more people that have disliked them before this hit the news. They started the fight because most that have gone through Kulanu don't return. They are loving the attention and daring the hate mail to say they are victimized. They're idiots. Rememeber Justine took that poor Volunteer Rabbi's words out of context last year and slandered his good character to humilate him so she could keep publicity going. He met no harm. Destructive, and devisive absolutely. What a small, unhappy little group the rest of the year.
Jamie, Toronto ON
06/12/12 10:53 PM EST
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@ David
David, Justine Apple made a public complaint about a Rabbi allowing Xtra to publish email excerpts in an effort to misrepresent his words, that was equally as "bad" as her public info complaint. If she uses her home as Kulanu headquarters and collects donations with no overhead and annual reports, while charging for programing. She publicized her info willfuly . Last year Justine gave Andrea and Xtra an innoncent Rabbi Excerpts to publish without going to the Rabbi first with her beef. It harmed his character all to stay in the news. Xtra just publicizes what is given to them or already Public. Hey you read Xtra David, it can't be that bad.
Jamie, Toronto ON
06/12/12 11:14 PM EST
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Apartheid - but where?
This issue has been badly presented. Jimmy Carter NEVER withdrew his aparetheid claim, he just clarified he meant only what goes on in the West Bank. You'll see that the people claiming apartheid in the story above (Assam Alyamani, Jomnathan Cook, Desmond Tutu, etc.) ALL specifically refer to the West Bank. Israelis most unfortunately do discriminate against Arab and some other citizens who suffer from racist views found among too many Israeli Jewish citizens, but Israel itself only practices apartheid in the West Bank - NOT inside Israel 'proper'. QuAIA should make this clear and avoid all their nonsense - then Kulanu would have no basis to complain! The question of what does constitute apartheid is not a matter of conjecture - the terms are set out very specifically in two international legal documents: the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, and the UN's 1973 International Convention on the Supression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. You can read them online. Civil rights organizations and NGOs in Israel, such as the Association for the Advancement of Civic Equality In Israel (Sikkuy), the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel (Adalah), the Mossawa Advocacy Center for Arab Citizens in Israel, and the overarching Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI), do NOT claim that apartheid exists within Israel. Racism and discrimination of all kinds (Russians, Ethiopians, the ultra-Orthodox, etc.) and not just against Arabs exists within Israel just as we can find various kinds of racism and discrimination inside Canada. But that is not apartheid!
Barukh, Toronto ON
06/13/12 1:25 AM EST
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QuAIA's messaging includes its chanting
The article refers to Doug Elliott as saying that: (1) Kulanu’s complaint is mainly about QuAIA's signs and messaging, (2) the panel may only make a decision based on that, and (3) the panel may not preclude the group from marching - it may just preclude them from having that kind of sign. It should be noted that Kulanu's complaint refers to QuAIA's name, messaging and signage. Much of QuAIA's messaging at Pride includes their oral chanting. For example, one of QuAIA's chants is “Butch! Femme! Bottom! Top! Israeli Apartheid has to stop!” See: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/06/11/jonathan-kay-on-pride-parade-canadas-annual-summer-bigots-return-for-another-hating-season/
Phil, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 5:27 AM EST
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Real Genocide in Middle East
There is a real genocide in Syria right now, where Syrian-Arab leaders are killing, raping and mutilating men, women and children. The fact that left wing queer activists are ignoring this actual tragedy and instead focusing their rage against the only Jewish state on earth, says a lot about their lack of judgement and intent. Gay men are executed in Iran and women are second class citizens in Saudi. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not a black and white issue. It is a land dispute that is being negotiated among the 2 parties. Over the years, Israel has made peace with half its neighbors. This clearly shows that dialogue and respect are the way to peace, not antagonism and name calling. For queer activists to pick one side in this layered conflict, while ignoring clear examples of genocide and human rights abuse in nearby countries, shows bad faith, if not clear bias against the Jewish side. . We've heard a lot lately about bullying, name-calling and antagonistic behavior in our schools. The Queer apartheid group is using the same qualities of intimidation and name-calling to put down and smear the Jewish state. Why don't they march FOR peace, FOR Palestinians and FOR understanding, instead of AGAINST one particular group of people. The spirit of Pride is love and understanding. Not anger and isolation.
Arab lover, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 9:11 AM EST
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I thought
The purpose of the parade was to advocate for gay rights and to celebrate our diverse community. Since their inception, QuAIA has sown dissension and hatred towards some in the LGBT community. The message of QuAIA is misplaced in this context. I for one, will not attend the parade
Don, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 9:43 AM EST
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Our Folly Again
Each year I throw my opinion on Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) into the ring and get tossed out - but here goes again. The placards insult Jewish gays at Pride. The simple reason is that they feel a tremendous love for Israel. On a day where we all want to feel included, they unfortunately feel left out. QuAIA then quietly fades away leaving bitter feelings in their trail. Apparently, we gays do not recognise the tremendous effort that American Jews play in Hollywood supporting gay civil rights and marriage and the tremendous role Jewish jurists are playing in having anti-gay laws tossed out across America. This is a pity.
Bryan Charlebois, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 10:27 AM EST
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Apartheid in our own neighbourhoods
In the above article, the writer states that, "Desmond Tutu, the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize winner, has said the situation in Israel very much resembles South Africa when it was an apartheid state. “If you change the names, the description of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank would be a description of what is happening in South Africa.” Apartheid in South Africa is/was modeled after the current and historical Indian Reservation system in Canada, dictated by the Indian Act. What it looks like in South Africa and Palestine parallels what is happening here. Acting like Canada is neutral territory to be having this debate about whether the statement "Israeli Apartheid" is hate speech or not reinforces colonial apartheid here as one of many acts of genocide against First Nations, Métis and Inuit peoples. It can be easier to look over at the difficulties in someone else's house, rather than face the disturbing ones in our own. And for the record, Pride started out as a celebration of resistance against repressive state policy and policing, folks. Just sayin.
JustSayin, Toronto ON
06/13/12 12:49 PM EST
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Xtra your facts and bias on this issue really suck
That is never even looked in to the fact before getting in bed with the QuAIA. I wonder why the Oslo Accords was never mentioned once. The Administrative divisions of the Oslo Accords made the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (until 2005 when Israel made a full withdraw) divded into different Area known as: Area A, Area B, and Area C. Area 'A' (18 percent of the West Bank) - full civil and security control by the Palestinian Authority. This area includes all Palestinian cities and their surrounding areas, with no Israeli settlements. Entry into this area is forbidden to all Israeli citizens. The Israel Defense Forces maintain no presence, but sometimes conducts raids to arrest suspected militants. Area 'B' (21 percent of the West Bank) - Palestinian civil control and joint Israeli-Palestinian security control. Includes areas of many Palestinian towns and villages and areas, with no Israeli settlements. Area 'C' (61 percent of the West Bank) - Full Israeli civil and security control, except over Palestinian civilians. These areas include all Israeli settlements (cities, towns, and villages), land in the vicinity of these localities, most roadways that connected the settlements (and which Israelis are now restricted to) as well as strategic areas described as "security zones". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_the_Oslo_Accords#cite_note-Oslo_2-0) None was imposed by Israel not 'homelands' so the Apartheid point does not even work but was an agreement between the PLO and Israel in 1993. But Also why does Xtra admit that before 1967 Gaza was apart of Egypt and the West Bank was a part of Jordan and why did neither nation at the time established a Palestinian State since the PLO was established in 1964 to fight Jordan and not Israel. Xtra seems to not even ask these Questions at all
Will, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 2:34 PM EST
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Disput Document
I am curious to know if the published Dispute document in this story is a breach of Pride Toronto Board confidentiality and if so Who is the mole on Pride Toronto Board that passes over this and other confidential documents, that Xtra, publishes from time to time? I have to agree David and others that email addresses and phone numbers should have been black out.
Michael F. Pare, Toronto o
06/13/12 4:49 PM EST
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Queers for Social Justice
I will be curious to see what public response will be during Pride Week when A new coalition made up of QUAIA, AIDS ACTION NOW, No One Is Illegal and Queer Ontario and not an affiliated Pride Toronto event. At the parade they will have signs, fans and stickers to carry there message: Queers for Social Justice -- Celebrate! Demonstrate! Agitate! They plan number of actions, including a Night March, several Die-Ins and a Community Picnic. What's not clear is their social justice cause just here in Canada or in other parts of world? The Pride Parade is finally getting exciting. I might even attend this year, chuckle chuckle.
Michael F. Pare, Toronto ON
06/13/12 5:09 PM EST
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Wake up and smell the occupation
Thanks @Bryan and sorry QuAIA hurts your feelings because you're so proud of Israel. I am from Toronto and every year there are protesters at Pride with placards commenting on Canada's homophobic federal leaders or on Rob Ford's non-attendance. Does that mean I should ask them to not come and protest because it makes me feel left out because I'm from Toronto and am Canadian? Does it make the protesters anti-Canadian or anti-Toronto just because they don't like city hall or parliament hill policies? NO. So suck it up my friend and let QuAIA criticize the Israeli government's discriminatory, non-democratic, apartheid policies. It does not make QuAIA anti-Semitic, nor should it mean you are less included in Pride because you are Jewish. Nor should any other human rights atrocities around the world mean that QuAIA is not allowed to comment on Israel's policies. If someone wanted to march with placards condemning Syrian violence, I'm sure I wouldn't hear you saying it wasn't fair to Syrian gays marching in Pride. Why the double standard when it comes to Israel? It doesn't take away from all the wonderful films Jewish people have brought us just because we criticize the Israeli government. What a joke.
Graphyte17, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 7:35 PM EST
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Graphyte17 blame Israel of course
Graphyte17 how about demand the Palestinian National Authority and the Hamas government extend rights to LGBT's in Gaza and the West Bank but of course they will not. After all they are the elected government of the Palestinian People are they? Just like Arab nations the left is using Palestinians for their case. BDS is a cult and I see their cult members are preaching the gospel to the believers. I guess some do not like the truth since they do not want peace just revenge. Also want to destroy Israel and not create a two state solution http://vimeo.com/36854424 I guess Norman Finkelstein can see that one and can see what most Anti Israel groups are all about.
Bo!, Bo! Bo!
06/13/12 9:08 PM EST
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Look what the QuAIA did in New York!
Just saying they are linked to this one over there http://www.queerty.com/photos-lgbts-protestors-attend-celebrate-israel-parade-20120607/ I guess they think Freedom of speech and expression only applies to them. Of course this was 'pinkwashing'
Bo!, Bo! Bo!
06/13/12 9:13 PM EST
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QUESTION for Justine and Terry
If an Israeli man married me, a Canadian, and we moved to Israel..I would have equal rights there....would that be true if I was from Gaza or Palestine?
Michael, Toronto ON
06/13/12 9:36 PM EST
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Yes!
Michael like in Canada they would have to get a residency permit to live in Canada and it would be the same in Israel from the The Civil Service Commission since they would be considered common-law spouses in Israel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel#cite_note-11 under the section 'Recognition of same-sex relationships'
Jake, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 9:45 PM EST
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@graphyte17
Thank you graphyte17. Thank you, well said! The comments after yours were non sense your point was missed completely by the responder. You are right no group needs to be told what cause they should be passionate about. Kulanu only marches with an Israeli Flag (not even the two state solution:) They are not marching for human rights they are waving a flag in support of Israel. Kulanu why not March in Israel, why the double standard?
hannah, Toronto ON
06/13/12 9:52 PM EST
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@ Jake..Does it.
I just read the wiki...did I miss the passage that answers my question?..I also love Israel and get back as often as I can. The Palestinians I talk to in the bar there insist it is not ..they could if they became Canadians first then went back...I think my biggest problem with this issue is all of the double speak and half truths we are being fed..I want facts not generated news bites.!
Michael, Toronto ON
06/13/12 9:57 PM EST
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It depends on case really
Michael it would be a case by case situation, I am a immigration lawyer and have dealt similar situations since currently the two sides are in a legal state of war and as in most cases when Nations or Political entities are in conflict with each other, moving from A-B would be rather hard and this applies almost anywhere not just in the Middle East. Immigration even when the two persons are in a union while the one person in that Union is from a nation or political entityis at war is rather hard since that person would have to go through checks such as a background check and country they are moving going would have to determine is that personal a threat to National Security. In a lot nations they would deny entry because they are at legal state of war. Also the person they married would be investigated since it could be viewed as marriage of convenience and that happens a lot in most cases.
Jake, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 10:13 PM EST
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A Non-Jewish Canadian/ Israeli point of view
Yes! can agree Barukh that there is racism in Israeli society but it is not Apartheid however it is not state sponsored and the courts in Israel send to jail and the police arrest people who make racist acts. I have experience more racism here because of my nationality mostly from Anti Israel organizations thinking I'm Jewish and saying because of my dual nationality I had 'dual loyalties'. Also I fail to see how racist crimes in Canada are really no different then in any part of the world. In Canada Neo Nazi Groups march the streets, cross burning happen and people are attack for either the color of their skin or for who they are but I see no Canadian Apartheid Week because of that. I do hold Canadian Citizenship since my parents are from here and I have traveled between Israel and Canada for most of my life and yes I do think what happens to Palestinians is very wrong and they do need a country. I really can not understand why cannot people in Canada even criticize QuAIA. They think Freedom of Speech seems to only apply to them and not anyone else. and Michael I saw a few errors in my comment my apologies for that.
Jake, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 10:30 PM EST
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QuAIA is sucking the oxygen out of Pride
A Toronto Star columnist made some good points in today's issue: (1) QuAIA’s quixotic crusade against a mythical “apartheid” regime will suck the oxygen out of Pride, when it could be celebrating two recent victories closer to home — gay straight alliances for students, and protection for transgendered people. (2) Pride has become a victim of its own success. The more mainstream the parade becomes, the more easily it is manipulated. For the full column, see http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1211100--cohn-pride-has-become-a-victim-of-its-own-success
Phil, Toronto Ontario
06/13/12 10:31 PM EST
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Excellent Article
Thank you Phil. That article really hit the nail on the head. As Pride becomes more mainstream it has attracted groups such as QuAIA that have nothing to do with LGBT rights. This will continue to escalate , IMO, until it becomes nothing more than a political platform for all of the groups that have a beef against something unrelated to LGBT issues.
Don, Toronto Ontario
06/14/12 7:36 AM EST
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Kulanu adds fuel to the fire
QUAIA may "suck the oxygen out of Pride" but only because Kulanu et al. insist on constantly supplying fuel to the fire. If they ignored them, the way almost everybody else does, this would be a total non-issue. In my opinion, Kulanu and the complainers are privileged crybabies, and QUAIA are basically morons. Both sides' activism seems based on the flimsiest of analyses.
Paul, Toronto Ontario
06/14/12 11:22 AM EST
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@Paul
Well said Paul. You hit the nail on the head, that is the exact bottom line!
Jamie, Toronto ON
06/14/12 11:31 AM EST
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Really Xtra?!
Whoever signed off on posting the complaint without redacting the personal details should be fired immediately. As a media outlet, it's beyond irresponsible and opens the publication to litigation and implicates Pride Toronto for leaking the doc. Xtra's coverage of this issue has always been biased, but this was malicious and unbelievably stupid. You guys better lawyer up.
Colin, Toronto Ontario
06/14/12 12:50 PM EST
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This is how Xtra can be held accounted for
Colin this is how you can file a Complaint with the Privacy Commissioner of Canada http://www.priv.gc.ca/complaint-plainte/index_e.asp since they did alleged mishandling of their personal information. Also the addresses and contact info still there even with them blank out is still available under google cache for anyone to see. Xtra has to be held accountable for their actions
Jake, Toronto Ontario
06/14/12 6:43 PM EST
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Complaint - Privacy Commissioner
Thanks, Jake. Regarding this issue, I'm on Privacy's side. The media has certain responsibilities and Xtra's role in this ongoing battle defies journalistic principles. Frankly, Xtra's role as an agent of propaganda is shocking and ultimately disappointing for the gay community.
Colin, Toronto Ontario
06/14/12 8:28 PM EST
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Thank you Andrea
hey Andrea, Thank you for getting on with another story and moving on from Justine and Martin real Media hoards. How unhappy can they be to need so much attention outside of the Pride long weekend. They only people they are truly proud of is their self centred selves. I have heard people who know that group well use the words, controlling,egotistical, judgemental and filled with classism. It appears that Justine is the "bad Apple. Thanks Xtra for your balanced writing as Sue Ann Levy, Martin Gladstone have ties to other Jewish columnists that have biasedly written articles to intentionally slandered the queers supporting freedom of speech. They call Xtra a rag of a magazine and then boast they were on the front cover. Keep giving them the photo ops and let the community take a good look at who the real trouble makers are.
marc, Toronto ON
06/15/12 10:45 AM EST
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Kulanu withdraws from the dispute process
Kulanu has apparently withdrawn from the dispute resolution process after the chair of Pride Toronto's dispute resolution panel leaked a copy of Kulanu's complaint against QuAIA to Xtra, and Xtra published the document containing personal information. A news release on Kulanu's website states: (1) We understand that Mr. Elliott, the Chair, forwarded our complaint to Xtra magazine for publication. We were shocked to see our full complaint and personal information published online with Xtra. We did not authorize, consent, or agree to have what we thought was a private complaint fully published which included our full names, home addresses, and telephone numbers. (2) Delivering our complaint and personal information to the press was an enormous breach of trust. It shattered our confidence. It violated our privacy, and it compromised our security. We feel deeply betrayed. Any evidence we would give is now under a cloud as our personal information has been published with the full text of our complaint. (3) We have officially withdrawn from the Dispute Resolution Process. We believe it is seriously tainted with bias. We feel that it is unfair, unprofessional, disrespectful, and has demonstrated poor judgment. It has lost our confidence and that of many others. We feel it is a discredited process by any reasonable standard. See: http://kulanutoronto.blogspot.ca/
Phil, Toronto Ontario
06/15/12 6:14 PM EST
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What a joke
Thw withdraw is just apples way of starting a New fight. Her Public address is plastered everywhere she calls that address Kulanu headquaters where you can send donations in her name, where she holds events and charges although her party room is free. Her address is open to LGBT people and Allies opened to kulanus beliefs and activities. Just last year she called it a social group, some call it a personal business others a Lgbt support group to raise funds for israel. You can see them march in the walk for Israel. If they bring a lawsuit against xtra (as the complaint process) was set out for them? apple can start justifying why if so concerned about safety, and revenue canada she holds evets at her home and charges membership fees as well and for beginner donations she uses a variety of other Jewish organizations Charitable Number. Hope this can get activists active.
Jamie, Toronto ON
06/15/12 7:01 PM EST
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Kulanu
Kulanu was looking for a way out. You can see and here Martin, Sue ann levy and Justine all speak about how they never wanted a "process" they were asking for the removal of anything anti Israel. The addresses were public in many other domains Kulanu's website and in the last 7 years in a variety of events that have been advertised. I hope they not only lost a fair process that Martin and Kulanu never had faith in, but I hope that enough evidence can go forth now against this group for taking about time, and media attention instead of seeing the process through because they didn't want the outcome to "possibly" not go in their favor. I hope other activivists holds them responsible for s*** disturbing and then pointing a finger at others.
Hannah, Toronto ON
06/15/12 7:21 PM EST
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re: Yes!
Sorry Jake the answer is No! An Israeli who marries a Palestinian is not allowed to live in Israel with their Palestinian spouse. However an Israeli who marries someone from any other ethnic group is allowed to live in Israel with their spouse. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/opinion/not-all-israeli-citizens-are-equal.html?_r=3
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/15/12 7:33 PM EST
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QuAIA poisons everything
QuAIA negatively effects everything in the LGBT community that it touches(e.g., Pride as a time of LGBT unity, the direcrors and employees of Pride Toronto, the people who volunteered on the Community Advisory Panel, the dispute resolution process, etc.).
Ron, Toronto ON
06/15/12 7:43 PM EST
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Rich the answer is Yes
Rich, non-Jews even in a relationship can move to Israel as long as the can get a Green Card from the Israeli government. It is a system that is similar to the American Green card system. However, it is different for Palestinians since both sides are currently in a state of war.Also, I am immigration lawyer also a Non Jewish Canadian/Israeli and I do have more background in this area then a New York Times article.
Jake, Toronto Onartio
06/15/12 7:56 PM EST
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@Ron
Huh, it appears that it was Kulanu lobbying for Israel, and not wanting other queers to voice their views. Kulanu is denmanding, and unethical in its own right with unsuspecting jewish members that think they are supporting this poor underdog of an organization. Taking a closer look, real close and listen carefully. Kulanu is far from satisfied with just taking "the word apartheid out. They wanted visibility $$$$ and members and opportunistically found a scape goat. The Jewish community has been duped by one of their own. Justine Apple Used Xtra to publicize a volunteer Rabbi's words "she" interprepted as homophobic? The Rabbi asked why she didnt want to ask him what he meant but ran to publish private emails. Double standards and being unethical can also Easily be pointed to the self appointed E.d without a noard that wants to work with her every year. She wants publicity no matter who she harms.
Marc, Toronto ON
06/15/12 8:00 PM EST
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To Phil
This is how you can file a complaint with the Privacy Commissioner of Canada http://www.priv.gc.ca/complaint-plainte/index_e.asp Kulanu should do this for both Xtra and the Pride Broad since I have noticed the personal info is still available to see in Google Cache.
Jake, Toronto Ontario
06/15/12 8:05 PM EST
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Babies
I think the privacy commissioner will have just as much of a concern as to why her address is on a public holding many events that are public at her home. If they dig deeper regarding her "being at risk" one has to look at the way she runs the website and organization. Many papers make innocent errors. Didn't the biased paper the Sun have to let go of Sue ann Levy for a while for using her media connections to influence unfairly city council. Martin sending his film to city councillors in an effort to influence. QuAIA had a simply harmless message compared to the attention getting, blowing "Kulanus" safety at the parade as an excuse to be front and center. We all are suckers for even paying attention. Kulanu will look for reasons to sow discourse for attention even negative they don't care. Desparate?
Marie, Toronto ON
06/15/12 8:51 PM EST
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If QIA marches
Pride can forget about City funds for next year. This group is so idiotic that it supports an oppressive gay-hating regime but is against a country that loves the gays, has Pride celebrations and allows gays to serve in the military. WTF
Parker, Toronto Ontario
06/15/12 9:45 PM EST
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@parker
I wouldn't say Israel "loves" the gays parker?
Marc, Toronto ON
06/15/12 10:08 PM EST
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Thanks Jake
Thanks Jake for pointing out that I was 100% correct, even if in a roundabout way, in my answer to the question posed, "If an Israeli man married me, a Canadian, and we moved to Israel..I would have equal rights there....would that be true if I was from Gaza or Palestine?" You claimed that if an Israeli married a person from Gaza or Palestine they would definitely have equal rights there when the reality is that Israelis married to Palestinians are prohibited from living in Israel with their Palestinian spouse. How can anyone have equal rights in a country they are prohibited from living in? Despite protesting again that an Israeli married to a Palestinian would have equal rights in Israel you finally acknowledge that "it is different for Palestinians" so the answer to Michael's question is, exactly as I said, no, if an Israel married a Palestinian they would not be able to live together in Israel and therefore do not have equal rights in Israel. You may know about Canadian immigration law, as do I, I memorized Canada's Immigration Act and all related regulations before I started to work for Immigration, you know actually doing the work of determining immigrants admissibility to Canada. Admittedly I quit working for Immigration in 1998 and haven't kept up with all the changes the Harper Cons have made to the system since then. But what you or I know about Canada's immigration laws has nothing at all to do with Israel's immigration laws which bear no resemblance at all to Canada's immigration laws. Don't believe a first hand account of an Israeli married to a Palestinian in the NY Times? Fine then go to any online Israeli newspaper and look there to see if Israeli laws allow an Israel to live with their Palestinian spouse in Israel with full equal rights. You already know the answer but go check anyways.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/15/12 10:28 PM EST
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Rich you seem not to understand
something called international relations. When two nations or Political entities are in a conflict with each other it is not easy to immigrate in any conflict zone and usually they do not treat their nationals as equals neither. Very common around the world not just in Israel. Also, every state has differences in their immigration system since they are allow to control: who enters and who can stay. That is a right of any nation. Also, my area has more to do Canadian and Israeli immigration systems and in some cases I have dealt with this very issue. Each nation has the right to set their own rules as they see fit. Israel's immigration system is selective but not racist. Japan for example has very similar rules. Non-Japanese(ethic group) can not become Japanese National unless they are born there. Also, Non-Japanese even if they are married can not move to Japan on a permanently or can they become nationals because of marriage. Israel's is like this but they do allow non-Jews to have the same rights as their partner and all they have to do is prove they are in a union. Non-Jews can come to Israel as long as the know level 2 Hebrew and if they prove they will not be a burden on the state(IE: collect welfare). They can also become nationals if they join the army for 2 years. Palestinians can immigrate even if they do get married to a Israeli but they have to prove they are not a threat to national security or it is not a marriage of convenience( and yes, I have dealt with a lot of these including ones involving Palestinians ) The reason both side are at war.
Jake, Toronto Ontario
06/15/12 11:42 PM EST
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justifications don't change the answer
Jake the question, again was "If an Israeli man married me, a Canadian, and we moved to Israel..I would have equal rights there....would that be true if I was from Gaza or Palestine?" You at first claimed that was true, that a Palestinian married to an Israeli could move to Israel and have equal rights, which as you very well know is total BS. All you've done since is try to justify Israel's laws that prevent Palestinians, since expanded to include all Arabs, from living with their Israeli spouses in Israel and having equal rights the same as if an Israel married a Canadian and moved to Israel. As well there is no state of war between Palestine and Israel, Israel is occupying Palestine, not at war with Palestine. What's even worse, in my opinion at least, is that Israel no longer allows family re-unification of Palestinian families living solely in occupied Palestine and not in Israel, see http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/twilight-zone-separation-anxiety-1.370698 There is no consideration at all of a spouse's potential threat to national security in Israel in cases involving Palestinians and other Arabs like you claim, they are just banned across the board and whether or not an individual spouse is a threat to national security or not is never even considered. The lucky ones can get temporary residency cards which they have to apply for every year and which can revoked at any time for any or no reason at all, see http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/4205/the-israeli-supreme-courts-decision-in-the-citizen Others are only allowed to visit their spouse and/or children for a very short period every once in a while, see http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/law-leaves-thousands-of-divided-families-in-limbo-1.407021 There's nothing wrong with arguing that Israeli policies are justified but at least get your facts right and avoid outright lying about the reality of the situation like you've done, especially since you claim to be an expert in such t
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/16/12 5:36 AM EST
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oh Rich!
You seem not to get different nations have different laws, rules and customs. Something the far left does not seem to get. Also, have you ever been to Lebanon? Palestinians are treated the same as they are in Israel but unlike Israel in Lebanon they are Second Class and are treated like Second Class . Yet, Lebanon is considered a democracy and is very close to something like Turkey political system and Israel gets attack by groups such as the QuAIA but not others nations who do and consider Palestinians as nothing but dirt. I see some can not get this 'double standard'.
Ben Johnson, Toronto Ontario
06/16/12 9:21 PM EST
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Jake's comments
First, I want to say that my connections with Israel are profound and go back almost 90 years to when my grandparents and other close family members moved there. I am blessed with many Israeli relatives and friends, and have visited Israel many times since 1966. I support Israel but am apalled at what has been going on vis-à-vis the Palestinians for the past 45 years. Having said where I stand, I must say that Rich is correct while Jake seems to be trying to obfuscate the Israeli rules and regulations. For example, Israel has a peace treaty with Jordan, yet the Israeli law (amendments to the "Nationality and Entry Into Israel Law", sadly upheld in 2006 by Israel's Court of High Justice - ie. it's Supreme Court - in a 6 to 5 split decision) holds that a non-Jewish Israeli marrying a non-Israeli who lives outside Israel - in my example a Jordanian citizen - is NOT able to bring into and live with her/his non-Israeli spouse in Israel. The non-Israeli Jordanian spouse cannot enter Israeli and live with the Israeli spouse. In other words, this is NOT a law about security matters and still being technically at war with another country. It is about preventing more non-Jews from living in Israel and having children (even if they are gay this can happen, of course) and thus reducing the proportion of Jewish Israelis (presently 75%), since the children would be Israeli citizens. Secondly, Jake's comments (June 13, 10:30 pm) about my previous posting are confusing. He seems to be agreeing with me that Israeli society displays a great deal of racism and discrimination (against its Arab and other citizens, both Jewish and non-Jewish), but he then goes on in his remarks as if I had not made clear that I do NOT consider Israel to be an apartheid state within Israel 'proper'. Perhaps I'm not reading his possibly 'compacted' remarks correctly. I do agree with him generally about the Israeli police and courts courts being tough on racism, with some notable
Barukh, Toronto Ont
06/19/12 3:29 AM EST
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Perspective
Across the world, most countries treat the LGBT community poorly, to say the least. This is certainly true for virtually all the countries of the Middle East except Israel. Why, then, is Israel singled out for castigation and opprobrium by QuAIA? Why not Saudi Arabia or Syria, for instance? While Israel is far from perfect, it is also far from worst. Not even close. It therefore seems that the main reason for the emphasis on Israel is anti-semitism pure and simple. QuAIA does not have a legitimate place at the Pride Parade.
Gary A Klein, Toronto ON
06/19/12 10:16 AM EST
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Israel is a democracy, so should care
Gary, Syria and Saudi Arabia don't claim to be modern western democracies. Israel does, so expectations for human rights are higher, and our expectations that public opinion should influence their actions is greater. Also, Canada and the USA are major financial and political backers of Israel, not Syria, not Saudi Arabia. Thus, I think it is fair for Canadians to comment on what our government is supporting. I have little doubt that all of us think that Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. have terrible, repressive governments and horrific records when it comes to queer rights. But do you really think those governments give a shit what western liberals think about them? QUAIA is putting activist energy into a cause where they think they can make a difference. I personally think their combative and exaggerated approach isn't likely to change any minds, but they have every right to use the tactics they are comfortable with.
Paul, Toronto Ontario
06/19/12 10:48 AM EST
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QuAIA At Pride
Paul, you are right that QuAIA has every right to their opinions. But do you think the Pride parade is the appropriate place to highlight their disagreements with Israel? If they were called Queer Nazis Against Israeli Apartheid would you have the same view? Hypocrisy has to have some limits.
Gary A Klein, Toronto ON
06/21/12 10:05 AM EST
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