Pride Toronto abruptly fills board vacancy in lead-up to AGM
NEWS / Whether they intend it or not, the message is 'We're stacking the board': Demchuk
Scott Dagostino / National / Friday, September 03, 2010
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After enduring months of harsh criticism that it is unresponsive to the queer communities it serves — particularly from black and trans groups — Pride Toronto has baffled supporters and critics alike by abruptly appointing a new board member, who quickly came under fire for transphobic comments he made in 2008.

Chad Simon was appointed to fill a vacancy on the Pride Toronto (PT) board of directors on Aug 26. When Keith Clarkson resigned from the Pride board in January, he left a gap that has remained all year.

Most board members are elected at an annual general meeting, but PT's board is empowered to appoint new board members when seats are vacated.

But with PT's AGM set for Sept 23, the decision to appoint Simon — rather than have him stand for election — has some people scratching their heads.

"Why now?" asks Kristyn Wong-Tam, a member of Queer Ontario's media committee and a candidate for Toronto city council.

"It is standard practice in board governance to try to fill a vacancy as soon as possible or at the next scheduled AGM. This is why the timing of the appointment is now of concern... Open and transparent governance is what the community is expecting and what I have been suggesting since the sign-vetting debate."

Pride Toronto's new board member, Chad Simon
"It's the optics of it," says writer David Demchuk. "They know the entire community is looking at them and wanting transparency and accountability and participation with the community in trying to solve leadership problems. Even if Chad might be wonderful, appointing somebody at this time, right before their annual general meeting, sends a really unfortunate message. Whether they intend it or not, the message is, 'We're stacking the board.' Even if they meant this in the best possible way, this is so easily poorly perceived, and it's odd that they would do this now when there's an AGM so very soon."

If Pride urgently needed to fill that gap, argues Demchuk, they could appoint a new board member, "then have him stand for election with everyone else at the AGM... they've short-circuited the process."

Simon admits he's heard these criticisms this week.

"I'm working on something for the AGM to explain my background and how I became involved and what my goals are for Pride Toronto," Simon says.

"I want to be a more integral part of the community. I want to see us grow as a community together. Unfortunately, sometimes it seems like there's more fraction than there is unity, and I think it's terrible. I'd like to see more community building."

Unfortunately, Simon's words are undermined by footage from a 2008 Xtra piece on sex reassignment surgery becoming funded by OHIP. As a man-on-the-street interviewee, Simon explained his opposition:

"That's a choice that they're making, to go and have that operation done, or the surgery done. I'd rather see all that funding going towards hospital beds and other things that speed up time when you're in the hospital."

Susan Gapka is a trans activist and another candidate for Toronto city council this fall.

"I didn't know who this person was, but I started getting emails and postings. Some people are calling him transphobic. I wouldn't go as far as that, but he's considerably ill-informed."

"That interview was done a long time ago," insists Simon. "As you get a little older, a little more mature, you get more information on what's going on in the community. It's not just about what I want anymore, it's about we. My values have definitely shifted towards that."

Ultimately, he says, "I'm very new to this. I'm going to learn what's going on and move forward with the community. That's my goal."

Gapka calls Simon's interview "an educational moment."

"Shouldn't an organization with such a high profile have better scrutiny? There's a governance credibility issue with Pride Toronto appointing this person, which was troubling enough without being compounded by these kind of comments. It does raise an incredible amount of questions. What is their criteria for selection?"

Exactly, says Demchuk.

In all the turmoil around Pride Toronto this year, at all the community rallies, "I didn't see Chad Simon at any of those meetings, I didn't see Chad Simon participating, and I have to wonder if that's exactly why he was chosen. Who wouldn't wonder that?"

"It's not about any one person, it's a systemic issue," says Demchuk. "So many poor decisions have been made specifically to serve a vision of Pride which is, 'bigger, better, blander.' That vision is not working."

With Pride posting an estimated $250,000 deficit this year, he warns, "Whoever next takes up the treasurer role and the financial responsibility does not replicate the same mistakes. These mistakes will destroy the organization."

But Demchuk fears the Simon appointment is "an unpleasant piece of foreshadowing."

"This does not say to me, 'We have heard the community.' Whether they intended it or not, it says the opposite....They may feel they've 'heard' the community, but clearly, in their minds, they've heard it, categorized it and filed it away. That's not what this is about; it's about interacting with the community."

Demchuk has put his name forward for Pride Toronto's board of directors.

As the board president of Bleecker Street Housing Co-op, he says, "To a certain extent, it's apples and oranges, but essentially, how a board works and interacts with members and the community is vital to the health of the organization. The more you try to restrain that interaction, in the naive belief that you're limiting turmoil, you actually foster turmoil."

At press time, representatives of Pride Toronto have not returned Xtra's requests for interviews.




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Reader Comments


 
I smell a witchhunt coming on.
If you look under the original Xtra! video (not this edited clip) you will see that Simon has apologized. Good enough for most sane people - including me (did I just call myself sane?! LOL) But of course that doesn't matter. When the villagers want a witch hunt, they get a witch hunt.
G. Palazar, Toronto Ontario
09/03/10 3:16 PM EST
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Investigative journalism
Even though I'm not a villager, it's nice to some watchdog journalism for our community. Wonderful work Xtra. Does that mean Pride Committee are stacked with witches if the villagers are now on the hunt?
Edric P., Toronto Ontario
09/03/10 3:40 PM EST
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What's a witchhunt got to do with it?
G. Palazar: Maybe I'm out of touch, but I believe what the "villagers" wanted was an *election*.
Chris P., Toronto ON
09/03/10 3:47 PM EST
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Trans groups upset ? Over what ?
From what I saw this year, and the year before - trans groups have had their very first march on Church St. last year. Is that not a good start ? This year they had a known tran woman leading the parade as a grand marshall ? What more is to complain about ?
Derek, Oakville ON
09/03/10 3:58 PM EST
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"new to this"?
I'm one of the folks who shared the link to this video around the interwebs once I saw it. I don't think that making ill-informed or even transphobic remarks at one point in time should disqualify one from being on the Pride board- we all say stupid things that we later regret (though his comment was particularly bone-headed). Although the argument that 2 years is a long time ago is a stretch (I'm younger than Simon and still think I'm fully responsible for comments I've made in the last two years). The broader point is that in this time of crisis, perhaps people who defend themselves by claiming ignorance are not exactly the best leaders for the organization. I think there are at least a few more qualified, informed, and experienced community members who Pride could have appointed. Or put forward for election, if they want to try out this whole transparency and accountability thing.
Ayden, Toronto ON
09/03/10 3:59 PM EST
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Popularity Contest?????
From reading the above article i too question, "Why now?" as well as "why him?" Yes, what are his qualifications, what can he bring to PrideTO to make it better? And where was the vote? In any of the events either Pride related or not I have never seen any connection to Mr. Simon. Is his background in running large scale social events and co-ordinating people to volunteer at them? Does he have the knowledge to make decisions on Pride Issues that will result in reducing Pride's deficit while still giving Toronto the class act it has seen in recent years. As Mr Simon states, he wants to be a more intregal part of the community, again i ask ,background? Have you had your hands in the organization of any events like the AIDS walk, the fetish fair for example. There are many events to get your feet wet in, has there been any connection to them. And what happens if once he's in place he doesn't want the job anymore? I agree that he should stand in for now until the AGM, then if no one has any concerns put it to the vote then. Personally it looks like he's being used to further someone's agenda because of his great nature and probably giving spirit,and he may possibly be qualified. However, the manner in which this has unfolded will possibly lead to additonal future issues that PrideTO should try to stay away from. The appointing people for who they are, not what they know has gone on for years in many organizations and if this is the case here it needs to stop because it is PideTO as a whole who get hurt in the end.
Mike S., Toronto ON
09/03/10 5:20 PM EST
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Foaming at the mouth
Certain political groups in the gay community are absolutely dying to take over Pride Toronto. You're practically foaming at the mouth over every little development... Are you going to keep doing this until everyone is exhausted and Pride is dead? So what if Chad Simon got this position? Really, who the f-ck cares? You people need to find something else to do. And how many trans people are there in Toronto anyway? 200? Why should they be allowed to dominate everything?
Jim, Toronto Ontario
09/03/10 5:27 PM EST
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It's a question of accountability
@ Jim: I don't believe this issue has anything to do with trans people "dominating" anything. The fact is Mr. Simon's comments were insensitive and uninformed. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's learned his lesson. Nevertheless, his appointment (and especially the timing of it) speaks to the lack of accountability of this current Pride board. The bottom line is that he should stand for election at the AGM, just as any other potential candidate.
David Frankovich, Toronto Ontario
09/03/10 6:19 PM EST
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this proves Chad is trans-friendly
This photo from Chad's public Facebook page should put those who question Chad's support for the trans community to rest. http://i54.tinypic.com/2cr7v4x.jpg
Ben, Toronto ON
09/03/10 6:41 PM EST
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I agree with Ayden...
Ignorance is NOT innocence!
John Richard Allan, Toronto Ontario
09/03/10 7:39 PM EST
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OMG
What is Pride? This is incredibly foolish on the part of Pride. I have this sense that the Pride board and staff don't have any friends or are each othe's only friend. I just imagine the Pride Friends having a latte. "hey yeah, we're thinking appointing this guy who's not really that connected to any demographic we should try and reach out to, and like we've already put out the call to elect Board members, and yeah, the AGM is about two weeks away and yeah, the seat we're saying this guy is filling, well that seat's been open for 11 months." The other friend, "Yeah, that sounds like a great idea! The community is really looking to Pride now for leadership and this guy sounds amazing. I've been to his facebook friend and friended him. Here's hoping. He's hot." "Yeah, super hot." "Yeah, I'm so glad you think it's a brilliant idea." "No, man, no I mean, that is powerful. really." You can't make this shit up!
wicked, wicked on
09/03/10 9:23 PM EST
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Small Group Takes Over Pride
Pride has been taken over by one ego manic and a small group of 8-10 people. I have to conclude from this walking platitude machine they choose as a new board member that they assume we're all as dim as they are. "As you get a little older, a little more mature, you get more information on what's going on in the community." Like what? Can't wait for this guy to elaborate at the AGM. I'm going to bring my vuvuzela and if this guy says anything of consequence I'll blow that sucker with my ass. I know, I know, "give him a chance, meanie!" Uh, have you seen Pride's books? The entire organization is perched on a precipice and now is not the time for the Trojan/TD muscle boys to climb off the floats and start running things. I'm curious to hear from Glen Murray, Doug Elliott, Brent Hawkes and Maura Lawless as to how this new appointment fits with the spirit of their "Community Consultations" and if they realize their genuine - if incredibly naive and ill-conceived - efforts to reform the organization have been tarnished by this. They're smart people but the Pride board has made them look like fools.
Neil H, Toronto Ontario
09/03/10 10:16 PM EST
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Neil H. I love you.
what I said in the subject line.
wicked, toronto ON
09/03/10 11:08 PM EST
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Oh dear!! Not a new board member!! Shame!!
I'm baffled. On what does planet does a statement like - "I'd rather see all that funding [from SRS] going towards hospital beds and other things that speed up time when you're in the hospital" - qualify as transphobic and ill-informed?? I wish Xtra didn't have to get a soundbite from Susan Gapka or anyone with an axe to grind everytime Pride Toronto does something. They're allowed to fill positions on the board. Not everything Pride does needs to be greeted with suspicion and speculation, accusing Pride of wrongdoing without any credible evidence. This schtick is getting old.
Ryan, Toronto ON
09/04/10 12:15 AM EST
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huh?
Ryan, Whose lover are you? Chad Simon, Mark Singh or Tracey Sandiland's? Because I would have to imagine that only blind love leads to such total committed defense of one's life partner. You're at it here and you've been at it ever since the shit hit Pride's fan.
wicked, toronto on
09/04/10 12:20 AM EST
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Board & Membership Criteria
I am interested in reviewing the Board & Membership Criteria as the current selection process represents a disjuncture from a system which is coherent and responsive to LGBTQ community members. I propose this criteria be examined during the Community Consultation process and amended to reflect the desire and needs of the community Pride Toronto aims to serve. For example, the criteria which appointed Brad Simon is suspect considering his video comments and timing prior to the AGM. Meanwhile, I as a community leader on LGBTQ issues, with a specific focus on trans issues, might not meet the membership criteria of volunteer hours and therefore may not be eligible to vote at the upcoming AGM. As a former Pride Toronto member who has run as Honoured Dyke twice, volunteered with the Free Zone for several years, and organised a some official pride events, my community service should be honoured. These are the type of criteria I recommend to be eligible to cast a vote to decide the future and direction of this high profile organisation which holds a major festival to showcase our existence to society.
Susan Gapka, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 12:38 AM EST
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Nobody cares
Many of you are watching the Pride organisation like hawks and apparently using this site to post public comments abot it and insults about the organizer. Why? Because you see the world as a political arena, have a left-wing political agenda, see Pride as a serious gay event that is not political enough for you, and need a platform for getting media attention for your G20 demagoguery. Ninety per cent of the gay community consists of gay men who don't give a shit about politics and just want Pride to be well organized and profitable, a fun party, and a good parade that makes gay people look good in the eyes of their straight friends and family. So please cut the references to "community". You don't represent us. As far as I can see, Pride Toronto is at least trying to represent the community. Special interest groups: back off because you're making this event impossible to organize.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 2:15 AM EST
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Which is it?
@Jim: You claim on the one hand that nobody cares, and on the other that 90% of the gay community wants Pride to be well organized an profitable. Well, which is it? Either people care or they do not. Either they want Pride to be successful or they do not. There are some very serious governance issues that are going to affect the long-term health and success of the organization. There are a number of questions about the board's accountability, not only to its membership, but to the community at large, as well as its fiscal accountability. If Pride is to be "well organized and profitable" these issues are going to have to be addressed, whether you like it or not. It is facile to dismiss as having a "left-wing political agenda" anyone who would question the judgment of a board whose lack of accountability has led Pride into its current state of crisis. Also, who appointed you the gatekeeper of the community? When you say things like, "you don't represent us," who, exactly, is the "us" you are referring to? Would that be the "gay men who don't give a shit about politics" that constitute 90% of the community, in your estimation? I find this statistic rather difficult to believe. Last time I checked, LGBT stood for lesbian, gay, bi and trans, so it's reasonable to assume that "gay men" account for somewhat less than 50% of the community, and those who "don't give a shit" a smaller percentage. More likely you're defining "community" in much narrower terms. You've made your distaste for those with left-of-centre political leanings abundantly clear, so I think it's safe to assume that they would be excluded from your definition of community. In an earlier post on this thread you questioned why trans people should "be allowed to dominate everything." Are we to understand that they, too, fail to meet your definition of community? Could you please elaborate on which "special interes
David Frankovich, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 4:49 AM EST
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(continued from above)
Could you please elaborate on which "special interest groups" you're referring to? I'd really like to know who else you feel should be excluded. Frankly, I find your rhetoric to be divisive and unproductive.
David Frankovich, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 4:55 AM EST
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political is personal the personl is political
Wayne I agree with you totally
Wayne, toronto Ontario
09/04/10 6:27 AM EST
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Divisive & unproductive?
Pot, meet kettle. Look, going just by the news stories and comments posted here on Xtra, some of you seem to think the gay community is an extension of student politics or the NDP party or radical political groups. The gay world is much wider than that. You don't represent the gay community so stop posting in public that you do. You've apparently been terrorizing the Pride organizing committee. Pride is a serious event, the only event we have to show the rest of the city what we are all about. Sure, it should be political, but only when it comes to gay rights. We don't want hack political radicals running the damn parade. What the gay community wants and needs is PROFESSIONALISM, CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP, GOVERNMENT FUNDING, GOOD MEDIA ATTENTION and so on. This requires a certain sacrifice from all of us: we have to set aside our personal special interests for the greater good of the gay community. We have to step up and put on an event that meets the standards that society expects of us: political and ethnic neutraliy, profitability, civic responsibility, and so on. Yes, "queers" and "trans people" are part of the community, perhaps even an important part of it, but you do not OWN this community. You do own Xtra, unfortunately, but that's another story. It is disturbing how you are publicly gunning for the people who are organizing this event, when they have no way to fight back. Mainstream people do not scream and obsess about this parade the way you do. There is no neutral media outlet for the mainstream gay community. You make it seem like the entire gay community wants radicals to take over the Pride event. That's nonsense. Yes, Pride can be better than it is, but it is certainly not going to get better by turning it over to radicals.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 7:25 AM EST
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Community or civil war?
You know, Xtra and queer radicals could focus on so many other more worthy things. For example, why not struggle against certain religious groups that are making the lives of young gay men and women in Toronto a living hell? Why not make that your cause celebre? There are so many more important GAY-RELATED things to take on that don't generate a civil war within the community. OK, you're radcial, you're a G20 protester, we get it. In spite of that, we still have to co-exist somehow in the same community without tearing each other down. The gay community is a place where people in common can pursue a common goal. If you care about the gay community (which you must do, because you keep claiming you represent it) you have to make allowances for the rest of us and for the leaders who try to get things done. No organization in the world can function properly when their every action is being microanalyzed by a group standing outside the window with a megaphone. That's not democracy.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 7:39 AM EST
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double talk
David, please spare us the double talk. You don't care about "community", "accountablility" or "governance issues". You care about queer control over the Pride organizing committee and making Pride a radical political event. I wish you would speak plainly, instead of masking your true goals in the rhetoric of "community". Just say what you really want to say for pete's sake. Queer radicals love this kind of double talk. Have the guts to say what you really mean.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 7:51 AM EST
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Community relations
@Ben - a photo of some washed up circuit queen wearing high heels at a gay camp ground hardly puts this issue to rest. In terms of community relations, the only thing Chad Simon has ever had his hands in are a few good twinks.
John, Toronto ON
09/04/10 8:49 AM EST
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queer radicals?
@John...Ben's posting I took as sarcastic. It would have to be...unbutton your top button. And @Jim, right on! there are so many queer radicals spoiling all the fun for those 90% of fun-loving non-rads. Your analysis is priceless - driven by fear, informed by fear and railing against a group of people you've defined and created in opposition to another group you've defined. It's a bit more complex than that lover. I'm trying to figure out what people like you are afraid of - a fiscally responsible Pride? A more accountable Pride? I have a feeling that you'd have a good time no matter what happened to Pride because you're just that kind of guy...find you some shiny things, and you're happy. Let me know when you start that group that fights "religious groups against us gays". Us gay rads are too busy planning the end of the world as you know it.
wicked, toronto on
09/04/10 9:47 AM EST
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Well, you're making it unncessarily complex
wicked, hey, I'm all in favour of a "responsible Pride" and a "more accountable Pride". My "fear" is that you and the rads think you know how to deliver this. You don't. You'll just alienate everyone, and ruin it, the same way people like you ruined the gay Olympic movement. And did I define "queer radicals" and the "gay community?? I don't think so but feel free to wonder. But excuse me now, I have to get back to my box of shiny things...
Jim, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 11:03 AM EST
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I'm a troll
I'm a troll. Ignore me. I want to be apart of Singh's inner circle of DBs and writing nonsense about radicals is part of my initiation. Once I pass I might to get work with the fabulously competent company that puts of the Pride Gala. It's been a difficult process though - especially pretending to laugh at Mark's witless jokes. The only fun I get out of it is coming here to complain about the NDP and the trans community. Will you love me now, Mark? Can I be on the board too? I promise to do whatever you tell me because Pride has done so well under your leadership.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 11:48 AM EST
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take a break from the shiny, Jim
Okay, you're right. Me and the rads might know how to run Pride. Like maybe its governance model has to be changed so that people can't get appointed like Chad did, and maybe budgeting/finances have to be in line with what they have and maybe Pride has to work with the community. Crazy, eh? Rad right? And Jim if you're a troll, I love your hair.
wicked, toronto on
09/04/10 12:25 PM EST
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Doublespeak?
@Jim: You accuse me of "double talk" yet you talk about the need to "co-exist somehow in the same community without tearing each other down" while in the same breath you rail against anyone who has an opinion which differs from yours even in the slightest, asserting that they don't represent the "community." Your logic is circular: the "community" is only those who you agree with, therefore it is perfectly legitimate for you to tear others down. This is precisely what I mean when I say your rhetoric is divisive. I don't think I could have spoken more plainly when I spoke about the board's governance issues and the need for accountability, yet you have bizarrely attributed those statements to some sort of "radical" agenda. In fact you attribute this agenda to anyone who is even remotely critical of the Pride board. This is facile and does nothing to contribute to a positive dialogue on the future of Pride. Frankly, I doubt you're even taking this seriously. Rather, you seem intent on chasing windmills and raging against some nebulous left-wing-radical-fringe-element that you imagine to exist at the root of the problem. This is pure fantasy.
David Frankovich, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 1:02 PM EST
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equal representation
Whether he apologized or not, it's important for the Pride Toronto committee to reflect the feelings of the ENTIRE community; not just the feelings of those extreme left-wingers. We ARE a diverse community, and not all of us are so liberal-minded. EQUAL representation should be the goal. Yes, they should have put it to vote. With a deficit each year, and such a fiasco as this year's Pride politics, the entire Pride Committee should be re-formed, with leaders from every aspect of the community. Has anyone considered just starting up an entirely new pride committee...?
Cody, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 2:44 PM EST
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Re: Board Membership Criteria
Susan, the volunteer hours in order to become a member are hardly onerous, although they are an annual commitment. Anyone who feels that strongly about the direction of the organization surely would have no problem in finding a few hours out of the year to demonstrate that commitment. And, no, I am not a board member, nor am I fucking any of them.
Todd, Toronto ON
09/04/10 2:46 PM EST
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ewwww
@Todd Ewww!
wicked, toronto on
09/04/10 2:53 PM EST
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Can't Volunteer
@Todd. Actually at one point this year they stopped accepting new volunteers so there would've been no opportunity for some community members to demonstrate their commitment. Care to justify this?
Wannabe Volunteer, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 2:57 PM EST
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Wannabe
It's not my place to justify anything, and, for the record, I certainly think a board position could have remained unfilled until the September AGM. I was solely responding to the idea that volunteer efforts in past years or some measure of community leadership, should automatically warrant someone voting rights.
Todd, Toronto ON
09/04/10 3:22 PM EST
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Questioning
Is "Jim" Tracey Sandiland's right hand man, gay Conservative party member, Pride Toronto's coordinator, Board of Director applicant, Christopher Scullino? God help us.
Wong Foo, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 3:53 PM EST
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Volunteer Membership Criteria
Todd, I was a Pride Toronto member for several years then suddenly a few years ago I stopped receiving updates including notices of meetings and volunteer opportunities. Volunteer hours could be one of several mechanisms for membership eligibility. Many of us are organising events and projects in support of Pride Week and do not necessarily have the time commitment for volunteering. Also as we are discovering the volunteer commitment is not a criteria which guarantees knowledge and understanding of LGBTQ community issues. With Pride; Susan Gapka
Susan Gapka, Toronto Ontario
09/04/10 6:39 PM EST
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To be or not to be ?
I have been an active volunteer for the past 5 years. Jim you seem to have alot to say. Are you an armchair critic? Sound like it. I am aslo proud to be a hawk watching as the predators MArk Tracey & Ryan devour our community PRIDE ( which includes Left liberal and right along with all others ) Since Mark took over and then brought Tracey from South Africia I feel like I am watching a close relative dying in critical care.
Wayne, Toronto ontario
09/04/10 11:28 PM EST
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Pride
should be about the community as a whole and not those leftest trolls hijacking for their own hateful political agenda that has nothing to do with gay rights period
Peter From, Toronto ON
09/04/10 11:42 PM EST
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Wow ... Gotcha journalism at its best
This is why I stopped reading your newspaper a few years ago. In order to fill your pages, your journalists scrape the bottom of the barrel in terms of issues that effect the LGBT community. Your magazine is clearly rule by ideologues who will do anything to help manufacture stories that are suppose to be reflective of the community at large. Please don't ask random people on the street their opinions if you intend on using the answers that you illicit to create this Fox News-esque "gotcha" journalism that I'm sick of hearing about - from both sides of the political spectrum. The man clearly had an opinion about sexual reassignment surgery and our public health care system. God forbid any faggot or dyke have their own opinion. I could understand if he was some author whose words were in print or a member of some less-than-nice group of trans-hating queers. But c'mon, he was kind enough to partake in your own random, public interview. Give me a break.
Andrew Canali, Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 1:17 AM EST
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“Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be
As a proud hawk who is wathcing 3 predators devour our PRIDE ( left right liberal and eveyone else, even Jim. I question Mark Tracey and Ryan will they not give up unitl they have totally takne PRIDE down. 1) when there is such a resounding community vote of NO CONFIDENCE the average persons' would stop and reflect that change must happen NOW and depart feeling ashamed. Tracey, Mark and Ryan are you not getting the message ? Tracey is it that you are no longer welcome in South Africa? How does it feel now that your wife is not on the payroll POST PRIDE ? Have you finished the box of Barefoot wine that you took home with you Post Pride ? How many more kickbacks left form this PRIDE for the 3 of you ? Eventually it will all become public knowledge. We are working towards exposing the truth. 2) I do not know why we are surprised now that the Board is being stacked. We heard at the end of July from Chris Scullino's own words along with Evan (Disability cordinator) how Tracey has approached them to run for the Board. Do you not think they would keep things like this hush hush ?
Wayne, Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 1:23 AM EST
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HOW DO PERSONAL INSULTS HELP THE ISSUE ??
This Pride issue has degenerated into more insults and irrelevant comments about hair and shiny things. I'm tired of it !! Nothing will change if everyone is in attack mode. And nothing can flourish under scrutiny. Detailed scrutiny is a another way of saying that you can do a better job --you are superior. Whoever feels they can do a better job should take the steps necessary to be appointed --then prove you can do better, with your actions. If you are not willing to do the work, then support those who are willing, by helping them do their job, rather than derailing their efforts with criticism and personal attacks.
Just Another Dogfight, Toronto Ont
09/05/10 3:58 AM EST
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we are ready to do a better job
Thats our point ther are solutions and we have intersted qualified people who are willing to take action and do a way better job
Ruth, toronto Ontario
09/05/10 5:55 AM EST
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"We" meaning?
I'd like to know what you mean by "we", Ruth, before you take over an important gay institution in this city. And if you mean "queer radicals" or "leftist radicals", my response is, "no, they won't do a better job". They've already f-cked up Pride as it is. There's more to the gay world than the 200 people who hang out within 250 metres of the 519. By the way, I was willing to ignore queer politics completely until you started taking sides in Middle East politics and effectively forced the board to make decisions that made Jews no longer feel welcome at Pride. This where a political Pride leads: exclusion, alienation, division. In the end, I think there is no gay real community any longer (despite the pathetic attempts of queer radicals to say they represent it) and we need to hold two or three separate events under an umbrella name. And David, if your goal is simply accountability, I'd like you to state for the record what your position was/is on the QuAIA issue. That'll make it clear exactly what your agenda is.
Jim (the real Jim), Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 7:53 AM EST
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the good old days
I miss the good old days when Xtra championed our cause by celebrating unsung heroes and targeting TRUE villains -- homophobes who stood against us. But times have changed and Toronto's a lot more accepting. But to keep their out-dated editorial mandate going, Xtra has sadly turned on their own. I also miss the days when Pride Toronto was respected (warts and all) for their hard work and kick-ass festival. I wonder if Pink Triangle Press' Board were similarly scrutinized, what kind of politically incorrect tidbits we'd dig up from their past? Finally, I miss the days when radical leftist Queers (like myself) had more tolerance for "mainstream" thinking and didn't appoint themselves as spokespersons for this diverse, delightful, but often splintered community. Enough with the finger pointing, soap boxes, witch hunts and negativity -- it's not getting us anywhere!
RH, Toronto on
09/05/10 8:23 AM EST
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not this person again!!!
Ignorance is NOT innocence! Didn't Torquemada say that? Honestly with witchfinder general of Queer toronto "Ayden" in the house, get the heretic fires ready! So many transphobes, so little fire. Save us all!
dictators r us, toronto ON
09/05/10 9:24 AM EST
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da facts.
There is no way that a bunch of hawks will fly in and destroy Pride. The people there are doing a great job at destroying Pride as it is. While I think Chad Simon is not the man for the job, I think if he got elected to the position, it would make a lot more sense. He seems to be someone in the community as he was giving a VIP pass at the last Pride...what has he done. Also, how interesting that you bring in the QuAIA thing now. I marched in the Pride Parade with some Jews who were very happy to be there and felt totally included in Pride. So, the Jew card can't be used here when you're talking about fiscal responsibility, transparency and accountability. Those things don't seem to matter much with the current bunch at Pride. And as for all your belly aching about the left coming in and devouring Pride...where and how do you see that devouring taking place? Would Pride be better without Mark Singh/Tracey Sandilands and the rest of the Board gone - I think so. There are many people in the community who obviously care about Pride = right and left, so I'm not worried about it being taken over and becoming a queer terrorist cell! Imagine! I am worried that the current regime has made Pride its own little fiefdom. If they hadn't, why would they be circling the wagons now? So, if you come out and admit that the books are in good shape, that Pride represents the community, that Chad Simon's appointment was wrong(his politics aside)and that Pride has shown leadership - With Examples!, then I'll happily shut up, but until then, I'll keep plotting the "devouring" of Pride. And waiting to hear Neil's vezuvula!
wicked, toronto on
09/05/10 9:26 AM EST
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VIPs?
I just thought of something. Why doesn't Pride publish a list of all the people who got VIP passes and why. I would love to know that people who are VIPs in the community and what they did to be recognized as one. And for starters, why don't we get the low down on why Chad Simon got one. His bio on the Pride website doesn't really sound like he's done anything brilliant to warrant a VIP pass, but we'll only know if we get the facts and that my friends seems to be what scares Pride and its apologists the most. Here's a pic of Chad avec VIP pass. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#!/photo.php?pid=13741634&id=504875713&ref=fbx_album
Jim, toronto ON
09/05/10 9:41 AM EST
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re: Jim
Jim Pride is for the entire community and that includes people of all political stripes including queer groups like QuAIA. Who are you to decide who is a part of the entire LGBT community? I gather your LGBT community consists only of people who think like you so you seem to see other LGBT folks who don't think like you as outsiders. All LGBT people of whatever political belief should be welcome at Pride and represented by the Pride board which is supposed to exist for the benefit of the entire community, not just your little section of it, or anyone else's little section of it. That's not the way things have been with the Pride board though and that's why many on the left, black, and trans folks have had issues with Pride Inc because they haven't been represented by them in a meaningful way. I don't see how your insistence that Pride should only be organized for gay males who just want to party does anything except to worsen divisions within the larger community who all deserve a voice at Pride even if they aren't right leaning gay males who just want to party. Pride is plenty big enough for every sub community within the larger LGBT community to be represented and no one is hurt by making room for everyone.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 3:37 PM EST
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Comment Above
But it's not for you to hijack
WTF, Toronto ON
09/05/10 4:09 PM EST
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re: WTF
Allowing all queers to participate in Pride and having Pride Inc reflect the concerns of all sub groups within the larger community is hardly hijacking it. I understand it may seem that way to those who don't want to see different sorts of LGBT folks participate though.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 4:49 PM EST
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Comment Above, Rich( or QuAIA Troll)
Again, it's not for you to hijack everyone knows that you are just one of their trolls and your agenda is NOT OUR PRIDE or can your little group can't screen people to put more trolls on the Pride board in order to control and hijack OUR PRIDE.
WTF, Toronto ON
09/05/10 5:26 PM EST
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To be or not to be ?
Here is an example of current transparency (or lack of) with the Pride staff. They do not want this public yet. Pride will be announcing a restructuring immediately after the AGM. Why not now or at the AGM ? Coordinators are being kept in the dark as they are counting on their AGM votes. The past week volunteer coordinators had to come before the paid staff to present their 2011 plans. By the way this has been only introduced this year. Youth presented and then learned the committee is now defunct, the food vendor also presented leaving not knowing the facts. He still thinks his plans are being considered. Actually Pride will be amalgamating Food, Market place, & Streefair under one volunteer coordinator when it was 3 in the past? or it may become a paid contract position? Did they not just lay off half the staff due to the half million defecit? They will denythis. So please do not expect them to be transparent now. Chris Scullino in his need to self promote has been telling everyone all year that this is the plan and it is HIS idea and Tracey plans to hire him. Chris is also the one who has been telling everyone who would listen that Tracey came to him and asked him to run for the Board. Transparency ? Chris also relentlessly has the need to let all know he is close personal friends with Tracey and Janine. Isn't the Board Tracey's boss ? Do they not seek potential applicants ? Tracey and Ryan (Chads personal friend) have been hand picking potential board applicants. Chris has had many ongoing personal conflicts with a lot of his peers. These conflicts have gone to Tracey and Emily, but Tracey refuses to actively listen to the various concerns. Is it because of their "close friendship" ? Please look for more of Prides resturcturing announcements after the AGM. Until then they will deny deny deny
Lenore, Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 5:37 PM EST
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Thanks WTF
Thanks WTF for making it clear that by "our Pride" you only mean your Pride. Btw I'm not a member of QuAIA, but I do support them any other LGBT group being allowed to participate in Pride.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 5:44 PM EST
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@ comment above or @Rich
and the Troll says what? and yeah I really doubt this Rich and again your not Majority of Gay people here in Toronto maybe you twisted logic thinking this but its not the MAJORITY OF US does not think like this. But your censoring is not fooling anyone Rich you seem to be their unofficial spokesperson and even the censor since your agenda does not represent the Majority of us and oddly always saying you opinion is the right one for the community as a whole. Get over it sweetie and your agenda or logic is NOT OUR PRIDE. I would suggest you hijack some other event such as a Anti Israel protest might be a good place for logic.
WTF, Toronto ON
09/05/10 5:55 PM EST
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WTF
WTF must have been asleep when thousands of queer people reacted to attempts at censorship. Take Back the Dyke made the official Dyke March a boring walk down the street. All of Quaia was at the Dyke March and thousands of lesbians and supporters marched with take back the Dyke. But WTF thinks it is 200 people... The free speech contingent at Pride + all its supporters surely are a few thousands too... at least... because I wansn't with either them or QuAIA and I support them. There are thousands and thousands of people who support free speech and from where most of us are standing, it is people like you who want to hijack Pride. We didn't let you, we won't let you next year, or the year after, etc, etc. For every one person who marched, there must be at least 20 who support them... you are the loud minority.
Sean, Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 6:33 PM EST
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It is highjacking
Rich, these minorities are most welcome, but why are they trying to take the whole thing over? Their shrill demands are dominating everything. They've becoming the tail wagging the dog.
Jim (the real Jim), Toronto Ontario
09/05/10 6:46 PM EST
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Time to fix toronto pride before it dies
Personally I believe Pride Toronto lost it's way years ago. It's less then anything some here have mentioned it should be and has really just become a time to drink alot (and I too enjoy a good drink and dancing now and then)inflated prices of everything, and corporation exploitation. I don't see it as showing the rest of Toronto or anywhere else anything, at least nothing much positive. And certainly nothing of any educational value. After reading so many responses to this article I find myself wondering just why people are angry with this information coming to light. Why the attacks against xtra about this.(there are many better reasons to be angry with them, this isn't one of them. Then there is the person who was plopped into the position, out of the blue with no votes. People have spent time defending him for his comments towards needed surgery for people born with transsexualism. Will they also be defending Rob Ford for his ignorant comments a few years back on the issue of HIV/AIDS? Cause it seems to me Ford can also use the same excuse, that he has learned alot more since then. So go ahead vote for him, he's sorry now. And for the one who said a pic of him in heels was somehow showing how supportive he is, does this mean when our kids play dress up they too are showing support, or just playing around? I attended pride in Toronto for the first time in a few years this year. I had been staying away because I have found it a shell of itself and not worth the time, let alone money. I learned that it's not any better now so I'll sty away next year and opt for one of the many other GTA pride events, that do still have meaning, other then drinking. That does actually show the greater queer community in a better light. And that Toronto's event have such a huge deficit, yet has claim to being the largest possibly world wide screams of mismanagement. Just where does the money go to? Carabana saw major restructuring, Toronto's pride needs to do so as well.
femme, Toronto ON
09/05/10 7:19 PM EST
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If this is a question of censorship
Let's invite certain Baptists to Pride next year and if Pride refuses them the right to march the I will expect certain group and Xtra screaming that it's censorship after all this freedom of speech and expression. But lately this certain group has been good censorship such as attacking anyone who opposes them and screening candidates is nothing short of control Pride to keep them in line with them and not the community as a whole.
?, Toronto ON
09/05/10 8:13 PM EST
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Baptists Unite
Yes, let's invite the Baptists! Way to go, are they on your speed-dial? So better yet, All people with who want to bring a Baptist group to Pride to show how Xtra is...., everyone else who has a life, do something else....really, I'm not sure what you're saying, so yes. Something to ponder indeed.
wicked, toronto on
09/05/10 8:57 PM EST
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Lets stay on track
Lets stay focused on the topics at hand Post Pride 1)half million dollar defecit under Mark Tracy & Ryan mismanagemant of PRIDE 2) Chad - Ryan's friend suspscious & sudden pre AGM appointment to the Board 3) August Community contract requesting Tracey and Mark to steo down before the AGM 4) Transparency it's is all talk and no action %) The Board has been encouraged to reflect ethically and terminate Tracey and Mark (World Pride 2014). If they do not, a vote of no confidence in the Board will be heard & ? televised to all of GTA. Yes people are planning to come out and demand to be heard. Why do you think it is not @ 519 and now at the school. It will probably be televised like the June meeting. Now thats transparency
Brian, Toronto ontario
09/05/10 9:12 PM EST
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2 prides are needed
The only answer is 2 prides (at least). And neither will get any funding for any level of government (except for accessibility for disabilities). One pride is Gay Pride with all the sponsors and partying for gay men and their friends -- fun, sex and partying. A version of this for Lesbians is their choice. Pride 2 is for Queer politicos. People who want to end world patriarchal oppression and people who believe every human must change gender to achieve full liberation. Full of messages and shaming of the bourgeoisie, this parade will rock like a hammer to the head of middle class garbage people who are preventing full transmogrification of humanity where Gender replaces weather as the topic of constant conversation. Two distinct groups who hate each other with nothing in common but some vague historical bad lumping together. A complete split between gay and Queer is at hand and Pride will usher in this new development much to the benefit of all involved. ps before some gay man freaks out and claims solidarity with his poor trans zimstren, any gay man can be Queer, but not any Queer can be a gay man.
simple solution, toronto ON
09/06/10 10:13 AM EST
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huh?
Two Pride's eh? Well we already have the Board in place for the first one you recommend. Would Chad Simon be able to remain on it? And the second - that seems like a super hard one to pull off. Change gender? rock like a hammer? I don't know which one I would choose...which one would appreciate my potato salad at the potluck best?
wicked, toronto ON
09/06/10 10:21 AM EST
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ON TRACK
I agree with Brian above's urging for us to stay on track...and there are only a few questions to address. - Was the appointment of Chad Simon the best thing for Pride Toronto to do at this point in time? Why did they do it? Ultimately this is a question of the governance of Pride by its Board and its staffing. The other question is the around the deficit. How did this happen? Deficits are not always something that an event as big and complex as Pride can avoid, but effective budgeting and planning ensure that Pride will keep the budget under control. Governance and the Budget...answer those questions and you'll find what is rotten or not rotten at Pride.
wicked, toronto ON
09/06/10 10:30 AM EST
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View from the outside
I'm not from Toronto. But to me it looks like Toronto Pride is on the verge of collapse. Record deficits are just one sign. To put into one sentence, Toronto Pride has become to big for it's own good. There is no way that one organization can possibly accommodate the logistical demands of so many special interest groups. Your Pride has become TOO inclusive. Breaking up Toronto Pride might not be such a bad idea. If all of the special interest groups want to have events then they should look for funding, volunteers, logistical support, administration, city permits ect... themselves and not rely on Toronto Pride. Pride is not a copy-written term right? All of you could have a "Pride week" just by picking a week and every one happens to be there at the same time. I'm not saying this out of any kind of exclusionary prejudice, I'm saying it from a purely logistical point of view. Toronto Pride simply does not have the logistical capability of making every single ''Queer'' happy.
George, Barrie Ontario
09/06/10 10:53 AM EST
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Lies again
This is just more lies being spread once again. I have never at any time been approached by Tracey Sandilands or anyone else at Pride Toronto to stand for the board. I have never applied for or been nominated to stand for the board and am not a candidate. It's time you get your facts straight before making false accusations.
Christopher Scullino, Toronto Ontario
09/06/10 12:28 PM EST
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FYI on "Lenore"'s comment
The comment made by "Lenore" was not made by me, Lenore MacAdam. (I'm not commenting on it, just clarifying who it was not)
Lenore MacAdam, Toronto Ontario
09/06/10 1:49 PM EST
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Pride is dead
I don't want anyone who supports QuAIA, or any other group that smacks of anti-semitism, to get within 100 feet of the Pride organisation. (I'm not Jewish by the way. I'm just disgusted.) The way "queer radicals" use terms like "freedom of expression", "community" and "accountability" is hypcritical. Freedom of expression does not extend to screaming hate messages from a megaphone at Pride. Sorry, but it doesn't. Saying that "thousands and thousands" support this QuAIA fiasco is practically verifying my point. You're just a small group of vocal radicals, a hateful special interest group. But as I've posted several times, I see now that Pride as we know it is dead. The death came with the QuAIA incident. We're just figuring out now how to divide the silverware.
Jim (the real Jim), Toronto Ontario
09/07/10 3:07 PM EST
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"Die die Israel"
In Europe the pro-Palestinian groups chant "Die die Israel" and "Hamas Hamas Jews to the gas" in public parades. The line between this and "Israeli apartheid" is a thin one indeed. I think someone should monitor what these groups chant exactly at Pride. Gays died in the ovens beside the Jews. It's just wrong, wrong, wrong that the gay movement has turned this dark corner. I know what you're thinking: "We'd never let them chant that at Pride." I'm sorry, but you've already allowed them to compare Israeli society to apartheid. They clearly can do whatever they want now. I'm sorry but the QuAIA supporters must be locked out of the Pride organisation.
Jim (the real Jim), Toronto Ontario
09/07/10 3:15 PM EST
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Party is Over
That's it, I am so over Pride. This year killed it. I am never ever going again. This year was ridiculous. And no matter how people cut it, all of it has turned hateful, disrespectful, and humiliating. The bigots on both sides have won.
Richard L, Toronto ON
09/07/10 4:45 PM EST
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Bigotry Abounds
Jim, I read your initial posts as tongue in cheek or stirring the pot. As reading further I started to become concerned, no one can have that much hate in them unless there is a stability problem or you are blindly defending job/position within the organisation by demonizing everyone with a contrary opinion. You are starting to scare me. More so now that you are branded as a Pride insider, are you parroting things you hear coming from Tracy and Ryan. If so I may be scared for you, but I am terrified for Pride Toronto.
Antonella, Toronto ON
09/07/10 6:05 PM EST
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Trolls Suck
First, why the personal attacks. Unless you're 12, it is not acceptable. @Wicked and Jim, you come across as petty assholes and it's hard to take anything you write seriously. Second, Chad Simon is part of the so-called "community." Just because he isn't from *your* definition of community doesn't make him a bad choice. Third, I love how Xtra continues trying to make itself relevant. I guess when your readership is shrinking like an A&F t-shirt, ya gotta try a bit of what made FoxNews popular - troll-baiting. And my how the trolls have congregated.
Chris, Toronto ON
09/07/10 7:39 PM EST
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Holy Crap, Lenore
Uhm, Lenore (the first post,l not MacAdam, your personal attack on a Pride volunteer is both offensive and outright libelous. Hope your IP address can't be traced or ya may find yourself in a court room. Oh, and lest I forget, You're also a petty, nasty person, who is clearly experiencing some serious anger issues. I'd suggest some counseling. Maybe some drugs.
Chris M, Toronto ON
09/07/10 7:50 PM EST
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HOW DO PERSONAL INSULTS HELP THE ISSUE ??
This Pride issue has degenerated into more insults and irrelevant comments. I'm tired of it !! Nothing will change if everyone is in attack mode. This seems to have become a place for angry people to vent and project their inner anger onto some issue. As well, organizations have been destroyed by competitive egotistical people who love to criticize and interfere, but not do any actual work. Anyone who has ranted here, please look in the mirror and see if you are described in this post. If you do have a valid point then make it through your involvement and work contribution not through your rants.
More Dogfights, Enough Already !!! Ont
09/07/10 10:06 PM EST
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No...
Antonella, your post is beyond ridiculous. How am I a Pride insider? And how have I been "branded" as one? Who are Tracy and Ryan? Your post lays the whole thing bare: there are apparently "Pride insiders" and there is a radical special interest group that wants to take this over. And the entire mess is being played out very publicly over the internet. For those of you who supported QuAIA and are not accusing me of being confrontational, did you think there would be no repercussions? It was a supremely stupid issue to support. This summer straight friends and family were asking me about it, wondering what's going on in the gay community. I'm a part of this community and I think I'm speaking for a lot of people out there. I stand by my posts.
Jim, Toronto Ontario
09/08/10 12:42 AM EST
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I agree with Antonella
@Jim. I also read your rantings as the words of an angry man. When you use phrases like "did you think there would be no repercussions?" to justify your actions, you are pretty much underscoring that fact. For a number of the people on this thread, it is clear you have personal, not ideological, issues with Pride Toronto staff and volunteers. And it shows that there is nothing the organization can do to appease you. You're angry. period.
Chris, Toronto ON
09/08/10 11:29 AM EST
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Special Interest Group
A "radical special interest group" (their only interests are themselves and keeping power) has already taken over Pride and they're doing their best to keep the community out.
Neil H, Toronto Ontario
09/08/10 11:29 AM EST
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Pride - answer a few questions!
It kills me when I hear people say how terrible Pride was for them. So, I'm just wondering how exactly your Pride was "ruined"? I think Pride was ruined by mismanagement and over-sized egos at Pride Toronto. I agree that my opinon of the oversized egos is more of an opinion, not a fact - but the mismanagement? - just look at the books! And the other question directly related to this article is why did Chad Simon get appointed this late in the game and just before an AGM? Whether the guy is great or not, part of the community or not, his appointment speaks of bad management internally and externally. What were they thinking? People are pissed off on all sides and in walks Chad with skills that are less than stellar or at least not made clear in Pride's press release. The boy has a lot of growing to do and Pride doesn't have the luxury of time now. And I'm with Antonella, Jim and a few of the whiners here that cry about their Pride being ruined, should toughen up and hope that whoever gets on the Board will be able to bring Pride back from the edge of its demise. The deficit, the mismanagement, the egos...have ruined Pride in very concrete ways. And all a very small minority of people say is its ruined and it's over for them. Well, maybe that's a good thing. But before you collect your toys and we don't see you at Pride anymore - and what did you do at Pride anyway that'll make us miss you so damned much? So, please enlighten us, as we'd loveto hear more details about how it was ruined for you. Ruined, totally ruined. How so? Imagine, having to explain this community issue to your straight friends and family - harrowing, harrowing! I hear that Canada's Wonderland is great and won't offer you anything but fun...maybe next Pride, get the wonderland family pass.
wicked, toronto ON
09/08/10 1:10 PM EST
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name calling 101
@Chris - Petty asshole? Huh? just the facts! Name calling doesn't work, you're right. But help me understand - is calling people incompetent, egotistical, and not fit to be on a board, name calling? Even if the facts point this out? Well, Chris, I guess I'm a name caller. Can you enlighten me and let me know what you would call the Board and how would you describe Pride's current fiscal situation, and its outreach in the community? I would love to see what the opposite of name-calling is in this situation - one love.
wicked, toronto on
09/08/10 1:24 PM EST
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Please go smoke some pot!
Everyone here should go smoke some pot and they you will all be happy and gay and much less inclined to make much ado about nothing! Look at me, I get completely stoned on fresh air and could care less about Pride Toronto, etc!
Annie Fannie, Toronto Ontario
09/08/10 6:52 PM EST
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Ruined Pride?
@ Wicked. I'm not sure where you whiners experienced a bad Pride. Mine was pretty awesome. On Friday I spent the early evening at the Trans stage before heading up to central for a late night set by a woman DJ. On Saturday, I stopped in to say hi and share a couple beer with some lesbo friends after the Dyke March and headed over to watch Cyndi Lauper. On Sunday I watched part of the parade, checked out the community booths and bought a T-shirt from Unlearn, an awesome not-for-profit from KW. Then I went to see the Jazz show at Queen's Park (which was programmed because of input by +40-year old gays - a target of outreach this year.) BTW, I hated the Jazz show. Bored me to death, but I'm sure somebody liked it. Afterwards, I wandered the streets, stopped in to a few of the stages and left as everything was winding down. No, I am not on the committee, no I am not fucking a committee member. I just had a great Pride and feel the need to defend the people who put up with all your shit. If you had your Pride ruined, I suggest it was entirely your attitude. The same nasty attitude that is so prevalent in your posts.
Chris, Toronto ON
09/08/10 7:58 PM EST
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Just A Heads Up!
So it turns out that Pride Toronto is graciously answering your board-related questions on its Facebook group, where it has posted a statement distancing itself from the Pride Coalition's "All-Can" event, which took place last night ( http://www.facebook.com/PrideToronto?v=wall&story_fbid=124275497623141 ). I recommend you pose your questions there and see if the organization responds. But before you do, make sure to read the questions that have already been posted so that there are no repeats. Cheers!
Martin, Toronto Ontario
09/09/10 1:15 AM EST
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you are kidding
+40-year old gays - a target of outreach this year Really? Why didn't they tell us? I thought this year was Year of the Trans.
what?, toronto ON
09/09/10 8:27 AM EST
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great time
@Chris - So, that's great you had a wonderful Pride. Sounds like you're not one of the people who are going to pick up their toys and never come to Pride again. I had a great time at Pride too. So as far as being "nasty", I think your interpretation of what I asked of the people who said that Pride was ruined is a bit off. You had a great Pride, wonderful. There are many like you that come and go through Pride. That's great. There are people who work at Pride at making you have a fun time. I'm not saying that I or anyone else here had a terrible time. I'm just asking the people who say that "Pride is over for them because it was ruined by "other people" why it was ruined. Nothing nasty about that, is there? And of course if Pride was ruined because Chad Simon was parachuted in to help prop up a scared and corrupt Board, that's a problem. I don't think it would ruin Pride for the majority of people who are more worried about where to find rainbow fridge magnets. So, I would say stop bellyaching and address the fact that has been hammered home on this thread again and again - What kind of governance exists at Pride that someone like Chad Simon is now a director and why did this happen and why are the books kept so badly - and if I could just through in one more question - what kind of connection does Pride Toronto have to its community. Simple questions, but they still remain unanswered. So I'm happy you had a great time at Pride and have friends. I too hate Jazz. Maybe that makes us both nasty!
wicked, toronto ON
09/09/10 10:20 AM EST
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For the record
@ wicked. Just for the record, it's personal attacks such as calling volunteer board members "corrupt" while hiding behind a pseudonym that makes you nasty. It's also what makes you so easy to dismiss.
Chris, Toronto ON
09/09/10 9:29 PM EST
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hiding?
I don't know what's so wrong with calling the Board corrupt, maybe wicked was too strong, maybe there is a better word - egotistical, incompetent, selfish..stop me when I hit a nerve. And nasty? Pride's little world has finally been exposed and they're being called on to explain their actions that were supposed to be done for the community, not in spite of it. Good luck defending your little world too Chris. If you honestly looked at what Pride has done with the trust the community has put in the people that run it, you'd be re-thinking who to call nasty.
okay corral, toronto on
09/09/10 9:38 PM EST
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You know too little...
I'm pretty sure that I saw Chad Simon at several of the events this past pride running around dealing with security issues, helping with crowd control, and at one point I saw him at the Cyndi Lauper concert adjusting the VIP stage because it almost collapsed. Not to me that seems like something more than any of you would do for Pride... Of course I'm talking to those who simply do not know him or actually have seen him work. I don't know Chad Simon personally but from what I've personally seen and heard of him, he pretty much took a lot of effort to assist this Pride... Not bad for a washed up circuit queen eh... Give him a chance. He may end up being a great influence on Pride, and if he F***s up then you can go after him. But until them, just let him have his chance. Oh and if you're all so disappointed in who Pride chose, or who they elect, then why don't you volunteer or run for a spot on the board. No one is stopping you... Better yet if you're so unhappy with Pride, then don't go. We don't need your negative queer drama around the rest of us who actually want to have a great time.
Angelo, Toronto ON
09/12/10 9:09 PM EST
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@Angelo. No one is saying that Chad should not have the director's position because he is a washed up circut queen. Geesh. It's wrong if people put him down and question his character. What people are questioning is the appointment of this individual a few weeks before the AGM and a few weeks after a call was put out for new Directors. Let Chad stay on for the two weeks of his appointment and stand for election at the AGM. If you are a member Angelo, you can vote for him and feel that the directors at Pride are there because the membership supports them in a democratic and transparent way. Now what we have is some terrible bylaws allowing a few to get people into the organization without any input from the membership. I'm sure that if Chad has put so much into Pride, he deserves to be on the Board. Pride's actions however have led to people not trusting him and not trusting Pride. Here's hoping this much drama does not keep you from having a blast at the next Pride. I worry about people like you becoming immobilized because of things like this.
truant, toronto on
09/13/10 11:53 AM EST
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