Our relationships with the john
FEATURE / Private, public, sexual, gender-policed bathrooms
Marcus McCann / National / Thursday, December 23, 2010
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It’s one of those cold, dark afternoons where steam drips from the windows. Tucked away at a tiny table in a café in Kensington Market, Sheila Cavanagh notices the conversation has flagged. Not our conversation — it’s proceeding at a rapid clip through the history of public bathrooms in Europe and North America.


The conversation at the tables around us, however, has come to an abrupt halt. Talking about fears — from urban planners to party guests — about “promiscuous urinary spray” has that effect on people.

No doubt, talking about pissing in public (and talking about pissing in public
in public,
no less) is a little taboo. And because nobody talks about it, most people don’t know the first thing about its history, or even its modern incarnations. So the patrons are either horrified or eavesdropping. Or possibly both.

Cavanagh, a York University professor who interviewed 100 gay, bi, trans and intersex people about their bathroom experiences, has just released a new book, Queering Bathrooms, which sheds some light on this seldom-discussed part of our lives.

She begins by explaining that peeing used to be a good deal more public than it is — from street-side relief to chamber pots at parties perched in the party room.

As it became more private — thanks to the initially laughed-at invention of the watercloset — public washrooms became more gendered. Female urinals gradually gave way to the conventional stall format; the men’s trough gave way to johns for one.

Today, bathrooms are one of the last gender-segregated spaces in North America. And perhaps for that reason, they elicit strong reactions.

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Xtra: What’s with the government’s interest in policing gender in bathrooms?

Sheila Cavanagh: Somehow, the sign on the door, I think, allows people to follow up on their aggressions and dislike for those who live their genders in ways that are at odds with conventional body politics.

Xtra: And that’s a fairly broad range. We’re talking about people who identify as trans and genderqueer, but also butch dykes, sissy boys —

SC: Sure. Masculine women, feminine men, or really anyone who doesn’t fit into these prototypes. So there are a lot of ways that these gender signs impact upon people. Having said that, I want to make it really clear that in my book, I definitely argue that we need gender-neutral toilet options, but I’m not suggesting that we do away with gendered spaces entirely. What I’m suggesting is that we build spaces that are gendered, but spaces that are less exclusive. Because I think gendered space is important.

Certainly, the male bathroom is a very important site for public sex, cottaging and for building queer male communities. I wouldn’t want to lose that. And similarly, women have sex in bathrooms as well, but it’s also been a really important site for sociality to form. It hasn’t happened in the same way in other spaces.

Xtra: You quote one woman in your book, a dyke, as saying that she wishes lesbians had more of a bathroom sex culture. Was that a common sentiment?

York professor Sheila Cavanagh interviews 100 gay, trans and intersex people about their experiences in bathrooms.
(Courtesy of Sheila Cavanagh)
SC: Yeah, absolutely. I think it’s true. A lot of queer women who were interviewed, who were femmes, talked about how important sex in male bathroom culture was, and really wished for the same thing. Not that women don’t have sex in bathrooms, of course — many do.

Xtra: Most bathrooms in gay spaces are fairly fluid anyway. The reality is that most spaces on any given night lean either male or lean female. So you get one busy bathroom and one largely empty bathroom. And then at some point it begins to spill —

SC: There does seem to be a correlation between alcohol intake and a lack of gender regulation in bar settings.

Lilith Fair is a good example. It’s probably 90 percent women, so during break-time, the lineup was extraordinarily long. So what’s happened is that women have tried to use the quote-unquote men’s bathroom. And security guards have caught on to this and have started actively regulating who can go into each bathroom. So women who went to the women’s washroom who were masculine or trans folks, were stopped, and they waited for the entire women’s bathroom to be empty before they were allowed to go in.

Xtra: How do you have bouncers at the door of bathrooms? It’s ridiculous —

SC: And most gendered bathrooms, the women’s bathrooms are down a longer hallway, where you have to pass the men’s bathroom first. The historical reason for that is that women didn’t want anyone, supposedly, to hear them excrete, because the signs of urination were thought to be the same as the sounds of sex. So again, there’s sexual panic built in. But it’s actually those gendered designs that create the possibility for violence that these security guards police, and very often non-trans male vigilantes who think that they’re protecting women, when they’re trying to eject trans women in a women’s bathroom.

Xtra
: Right. It’s a total reversal of who is vulnerable to violence in that situation. The person who’s most likely to have violence done to them is imagined as the threat.

SC: Exactly. I think this focus on women, however important, when we start to imagine that violence happens only one way, we lose examples of violence perpetrated, frankly, by non-trans women against trans women in women’s bathrooms. Often, trans women talk about being hit by non-trans women or being yelled at or being screamed at.

These are forms of violence that are eclipsed, because we’re so sure who is violent and who is not.

Xtra: Another form this architecture takes is in controlling male sexual play in bathrooms. Do you think that is on purpose?

SC: Certainly, the institution of the short door and hanging wall partitions were to curb gay male sex. And, of course — Michel Foucault talked about this in his book Discipline and Punish — they built bathrooms in boys’ schools deliberately so that people could come in and watch the heads in each stall and know there was only one person in one stall at a time. It’s another example of how panics about sex are literally built into design.

Now, if you asked people today, designers, why are there short doors, some people say that they’re easier to clean, to get the mops under. I think there’s probably merit to that argument.

Xtra: Also where there’s no door to the bathroom and it’s just, sort of, you peek around —

SC: Right, and that’s because of accessibility, but at the same time the loss of the creaky-door-as-sign [of someone] coming into the bathroom makes it difficult to have sex, because when you have a creaky door, or you have camouflage, it’s easier to have sex.

What you have, sometimes, I think, is an attempt to curb gay male sex behind the screen of promoting accessible spaces. Now, of course, accessible spaces are very important, and I promote that, but I don’t think accessibility has to necessarily come at the expense of erotic pleasures or uses in these spaces.

THE DEETS
Queering Bathrooms
Sheila Cavanagh
$30, University of Toronto Press

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Reader Comments


 
Funding and time
Wow, it's amazing how much nonsense people can contrive when they have too much time and too much funding. Areas where there is nudity are gender segregated in just about every corner of the world, because women (with good reason) feel threatened by men. "Single gender" or "family toilets" have already been tried out in some parts of the western world, and the pendulum is already swinging back towards seperating vaginas from penises - mostly because women don't want to sit in a pool of a man's piss.
William, Montreal QC
01/02/11 3:31 PM EST
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$103,123 grant to study washroom bullying
William, you are so politically incorrect. In 2008, Sheila Cavanagh received a $103,123 grant to study bullying of LGBT students in high school washrooms. See http://www.yorku.ca/yfile/archive/index.asp?Article=11087
Jack, Toronto Ontario
01/02/11 9:55 PM EST
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Et alors?
Jack, what is your point? She's not a professor of psychology, education or even architecture, so I really don't see it going anywhere other than the large wastepaper bin of ideologically driven social "research." Governments fund this kind of nonsense simply so they can say things like "we spend $XXX of gay initiatives" all the while ignoring the too-hard issues (like, I don't know, actually doing something about gay bullying). That's $100,000 that could have been spent trying to cure HIV.
William, Montreal QC
01/03/11 7:53 AM EST
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bullying
William, your comments are a perfect example of why Professor Cavanagh's research is so important and relevant to preventing gender-based violence. You claim that you want her concentrate on anti-bullying, yet you ignore the fact that is one of the primary goals of what she is doing! The fact is that trans persons are often the targets of violence at the hands of non-trans persons, and gendered spaces such as bathrooms are exactly the place where such attacks are most common. Did you even read the interview? Cavanagh says: "But it’s actually those gendered designs that create the possibility for violence that these security guards police, and very often non-trans male vigilantes who think that they’re protecting women, when they’re trying to eject trans women in a women’s bathroom." The fact is that any competent study shows that trans women are the ones who are often the targets of bullying in bathrooms... your claim that trans women are a threat to non-trans women is not supported by any evidence. Your comments are completely ignorant William, and in fact the things you are saying are often what bullies say while perpetuating gender-based violence.
Savannah, Toronto ON
01/03/11 2:45 PM EST
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Flushed
Well that's ten minutes spent,I'll never get back.
Bill Talbot, Niagara-on-the-Lake Ontario
01/03/11 2:53 PM EST
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Found it interesting
I for one found the article and the research quite interesting, its important to understand our everyday places and experiences, there's nothing at all wrong with understanding such things more fully and in depth. Not everything has to be as important as curing HIV or cancer or whatever. Pure knowledge is important. There's no denying that bathrooms often mean different things for trans, gay, lesbian, or hetero folks. I don't find anything attractive about public bathroom sex, most of them I don't even enjoy peeing in let alone having sex in them, but plenty of gay men do enjoy bathroom sex and it has a big place in the history of same sex attraction, so studying the relationship between LGBT folks and bathrooms over the years is very important.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
01/03/11 10:27 PM EST
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Corrections
@Savannah - actually, I didn't say that at all. Please don't put words in my mouth. I really couldn't care less what this woman does, I just don't want the precious dollars our federal governments steals from us wasted on etheral reports of no consequence. And thank you for opinions about me, I will file them next to Cavanagh's study.
William, Montreal QC
01/04/11 11:50 PM EST
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the words in your mouth belong to you
William, you stated above your interest in "seperating vaginas from penises" ... like it or not, that is the language that is used, usually by vigilante cisgender men, to harass or even kick trans women out of the women's restroom. In the case of actually kicking someone out, there is only one way to do that and that is through physical violence or the threat to use it. I have received very real, very personal threats on my life based on nothing more than my identity as a trans woman. The 'family style' toilets you so eagerly dismiss are one approach to this problem and they have worked well for trans people, as well as many other socially disadvantaged groups (including disabled persons). If you don't want to take violence against trans persons (or these other related issues) seriously then that's your business, but I am going to call you out on it. There is no more accurate word for your comments on this thread than 'ignorant.'
Savannah, Toronto ON
01/05/11 4:39 PM EST
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So many presumptions...
Savannah (if that is your real name), I have no interest in seperating penises from vaginas... almost the contrary. I really suggest you learn to read critically. Thank you for stating your own "interest" in this wasteful ideologically-driven research. To make it perfectly clear, so that even a lazy reader such as yourself can understand, it is not the researchers opinions I disagree with, it is the squandering of our precious resources to obtain them. It would be interesting to know precisely why this cost $100,000 - I'm willing to bet most of it is her (or his?) salary. Some social solidarity there!
William, Montreal QC
01/06/11 1:32 PM EST
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no presumptions, just your words
William, apparently by "reading critically" you mean "William is always right, even when he contradicts himself." All I am doing is quoting your words. You cited in your second comment above one reason why the study is a waste of money is because it "ignor[es] the too-hard issues (like, I don't know, actually doing something about gay bullying)." Jack and I both have pointed out that that is exactly what this study is about (although expanding the parameters to include trans bullying as well as gay bullying). But somehow once we firmly established that bullying is exactly what this study is about and why it is important, suddenly you don't seem to have much interest in that topic anymore. And just to be clear, York University has carried out some of the ideas (including single-stall washrooms) that Professor Cavanagh is exploring and has had success with them. So there is your real-world application if that's what you are missing. Other institutions are starting to learn from these ideas as well and are coming around, slowly but surely.
Savannah, Toronto ON
01/06/11 5:47 PM EST
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Misquoting more like
Selectively misquoting is what I would call it. Has one single Canadian ever died because they used the wrong toilet? I find it very telling that it's not an epidemiologist who has received this funding. Honestly, people like Cavanagh, because they don't have the intellectual horsepower to do something useful, invent problems to justify their own existence and their parasitic use of tax dollars. No, it doesn't have to be all about HIV, but when there is a funding crisis AND PEOPLE ARE DYING, I'll make no apologies about calling out waste when I see it. And I understand, Savannah, that may not suit you, but too bad. If you're really that worried about your safety, may I suggest that you just go outside and find a tree to piss against instead?
William, Montreal QC
01/06/11 6:46 PM EST
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