Ontario's new position on HIV prosecutions a 'betrayal': activists
LEGAL NEWS / Crown says risk of infection should not be a factor in criminal cases
Marcus McCann / National / Thursday, July 05, 2012
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Lawyers for the province of Ontario have taken an extreme position on HIV nondisclosure, backtracking on two years of progress, activists say.
 
In a 68-page factum filed with the Ontario Court of Appeal, crown attorneys argue that HIV-positive people should face criminal charges for not disclosing their HIV status before sex — even if there is little risk of HIV transmission.
 
Their position, if adopted, would criminalize HIV-positive people who don't disclose but use condoms or who have low viral loads. It could also affect prosecutions for unprotected oral sex and other low-risk conduct. That would mean “open season on anyone who has sex,” says Tim McCaskell, a long-time AIDS activist.
 
“If people have to disclose when there's no risk, what does that mean? If I kiss someone without disclosing my HIV status, that's assault? If I shake someone's hand, that's assault?” says McCaskell. “If so, then it's simply discrimination against people who have HIV and AIDS.”
 
The factum is an abrupt about-face for the province. In February 2011, then-attorney general Chris Bentley agreed to work with a coalition of HIV organizations, known as the Ontario Working Group on Criminal Law and HIV Exposure (CLHE). Their goal was to create prosecutorial guidelines, which would have reined in prosecutions for low-risk sexual encounters.
 
"What it looks like now is that the cowboys in the Crown attorneys' office are running the show," says Tim McCaskell.
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The guidelines never materialized. But John Gerretsen, who replaced Bentley as attorney general in October 2011, withdrew Ontario from an HIV case heard by the Supreme Court of Canada in February 2012. It was hailed as a good-faith attempt to work with the HIV community and a sign of the province's ongoing commitment to the working group.
 
But that's all been put in jeopardy by the crown's factum, says lawyer Cécile Kazatchkine, of the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network. She describes it as “an attack on people living with HIV” and a “betrayal” of the CLHE's work with the province.
 
“We are very concerned with the position the Crown has taken. It's a very radical position, and it's deeply concerning,” Kazatchkine says. “And it would make prosecutorial guidelines completely irrelevant.”
 
 
In a short, written statement, a spokesperson for the Ministry of the Attorney General said it would be inappropriate to comment on either the Supreme Court case or their factum at the Ontario Court of Appeal, since both matters are still before the court. But the ministry also said it would be suspending work on prosecutorial guidelines for the time being.
 
"It would be premature to address prosecutorial guidelines ahead of this ruling," Brendan Crawley wrote, referring to the Supreme Court decision. 
The Supreme Court will release its decision on HIV nondisclosure in the Mabior case later this year.
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But the province's position — withdrawing from the Supreme Court case, then submitting its fiery factum to the Ontario Court of Appeal — is perplexing from a strategic point of view, activists say. The Ontario Court of Appeal will be bound by the decision of the Supreme Court. If the province wanted the court to drop risk analysis from these types of cases, it would have been better served arguing its case at Canada's top court.
 
So, did Ontario have a change of heart between February and now? What's more likely, McCaskell says, is that there are competing factions at the ministry.
 
When the province withdrew from the Supreme Court case, he says, the attorney general was responding to “an enormous amount of pressure. The attorney general did his job.
 
“Then, when we got this factum, it looked like the attorney general has gone into hiding,” he says. “What it looks like now is that the cowboys in the Crown attorneys' office are running the show.
 
“It's out of line with what the attorney general [Chris Bentley] said he was going to do. And it's out of line with what the Supreme Court said 20 years ago. They're making up the law as they go along.”
 
 


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Letter to the Attorney General of Ontario
As a person living with HIV I'm deeply concerned with the factum submitted to the Ontario Court of Appeal. My God, there is so much science and evidence out there that shows HIV is a health issue not a criminal justice one. I'm on meds. I have an undetectable viral load. I know that does not mean no risk, but if I use a condom, and whether it breaks or not, whether I disclose my status or not, there is virtually NO chance I'm going to transmit my HIV. HIV isn't a very transmissible disease to begin with; even if I wasn't on meds and had a high viral load making me more 'infectious' and I didn’t use condoms it doesn’t necessarily mean I’m going to infect anyone. This is nothing more that persecution based on ignorance, fear and who knows what else. This is not prosecution based on science or fact. As a proud, gay, HIV+, responsible, honourable Ontarian I'm asking you the Minister to support those of us with HIV. And those who willingly, maliciously or knowingly attempt to transmit the virus of course there have to be consequences - no one would argue with that. The majority of new infections are caused by those who don't know they have the virus, not those of us with the virus. What you are doing is discouraging people from getting tested - if they don’t know they can't be charged so the undiagnosed are going to fuel the spread of this virus - legally. Will you do the right thing and support those of us living with HIV? If I were to ever end up charged, labelled a 'sexual offender' for life and end up in prison; there would be something seriously wrong with that.
Greg Downer, Toronto ON
07/05/12 1:00 PM EST
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The day the science died
This ruling is astounding. The Ontario Court of Appeal has decided that it knows better than science. Wow the egos which will be responsible for people's death.. people won't be tested and infection will result.. ludicrous!
Denise Becker, Vernon British Columbia
07/05/12 1:36 PM EST
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Could someone explain
I am not saying this to fight, I am just legitimately uniformed, but why it is a big deal to tell your partner if you are HIV+? Why is it not okay to just make tell them so they can decide if they want to take the risk. I understand that some people are on meds and have a low viral count, but some people aren't and all that I understand this law to do is to say you have to let your partner know which I personally think is something respectful to the other person. I don't get why that is a big deal but I haven't heard from any HIV+ people, so I would appreciate anyone telling me why this is a problem.
Ashley, Toronto Ontario
07/05/12 6:27 PM EST
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The freedom to shoot poz loads
It's not surprising that QuAIA's Tim McCaskell would be the spokesperson of those AIDS activists who believe that HIV-positive people should have the freedom to secretly shoot HIV-infected sperm into another human being - without having to face any criminal or legal sanctions for such an act of ill-will. I wonder what slogan they will use at the next Pride parade? How about a phrase used in the bareback fetish community (e.g., Take my poz load)?
Tom, Toronto ON
07/06/12 7:41 AM EST
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oh pleeeze
who is surprised by this? Almost all Aids Service Organizations and all HIV/AIDS Legal Advocates such as HALCO and other so called advocates SUPPORTED the criminalization (guidelines for prosecution)of HIV. (Oh sure we can talk about the degree of criminalization) -----------------------------WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? ---------------------------------It's NOT the Crown! The Enemy is within! They have metaphorically told the Nazi's where to pick up the Jews to take them to the camps. Wake up. Read up on your History. Where did you think this was going to go? Competing factions indeed. Hey there...Cécile Kazatchkine, your mistake was insisting there should have been prosecution guidelines in the first place. And Tim, they are not "cowboys" in the attorney generals office, they are NAZI'S! But hey, I could be wrong.
tim, toronto on
07/06/12 11:45 AM EST
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HIV
should never have been a part of any criminal assault prosecution. It should have been an non-entity. Promoting it as a part of a prosecution guideline was the mistake and an act of internalized-externalized homophobic anti-sex discrimination. But now that it is an entity the best that these advocates can do and what they should do is insist it is expanded to include ALL diseases. ALL of them. This selective persecution must end. Everything from TB, Pneumonia to Hepatitis should now be included in this barbaric persecution.IMHO
Kyle, Toronto ON
07/06/12 12:05 PM EST
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This
is worthy of the Taliban. I suspect be-headings are around the corner. Fuck Science. Not getting tested is no safety measure either. It could be "reasonably" assumed and most definitely argued legally that all Gay Men who have sex are potentially HIV positive. All gay men are at risk. Anyone who doesn't see this are seriously deluded.
Chris, Toronto ON
07/06/12 12:32 PM EST
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Who are those
in the Crown Office responsible for this? Names please! Who are they? What is their history? What is their religious affiliation? What conflicts of interests do they have? Names please! Research please. Who and what are these competing factions? Thank you.
Grady, Toronto on
07/06/12 12:44 PM EST
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If I have to flee
my country because of this persecution and the constant threat of this persecution, could someone please tell me what country I could go to? Please. Thank you.
Chris, Toronto ON
07/06/12 12:54 PM EST
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Answer to Ashley
Hi Ashley. I would suggest you view this new documentary film which should hel answer your question; POSITIVE WOMEN: EXPOSING INJUSTICE, a cutting-edge documentary exploring the impacts of criminalization of HIV non-disclosure on women in Canada. here is a web link: http://www.positivewomenthemovie.org/index.html
Michel, Toronto Quebec
07/06/12 1:01 PM EST
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You brought it on yourselves.
The vast majority of people in this country with HIV got infected because they fucked around and had bareback anal sex. Now its time to pay the piper. Of course there are some exceptions and it is sad that a victim of sexual assault would have to pay for some irresponsible meth head's bad decisions but the law treats the masses. Also, avoiding testing will not protect you, the moral of the story?Don't run around doing stupid shit like drugs, partying and barebacking and you have nothing to worry about.
Mike, Edmonton AB
07/06/12 1:32 PM EST
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Seriously
if anyone knows where I can flee to without the constant threat of persecution being HIV+ please let me know. I heard Berlin or Cologne does anybody know?
Chris, Toronto ON
07/06/12 2:05 PM EST
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This is a homophobic government's wet dream come
true...Gay men have been criminalized for years, first from being gay, then from having sex in "bawdy houses", and now, from being HIV+...when will it stop? I guess they figure HIV didn't kill off all the homosexuals, so the next best thing is to charge them and lock them all up, or at least the known HIV+ ones. No wonder many men do not get tested. As for those who asked why it's so difficult for HIV+ men to tell their partners - well, why do you think, in this day and age, it's still difficult for people to come out as gay, let alone HIV+? Because it means rejection from employment, from family, from friends, from rental housing, and now, it means being a criminal just because you're positive. This is nothing but another extension of the ramification of homophobic doctrine at work. I am so angry beyond words right now...
John, Toronto Ontario
07/06/12 2:10 PM EST
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the sad truth of this mess
Chris, no, not all gay men who have sex are potentially HIV-infected. That is an ideology of AIDS Victim De-stigmatization at any costs 101. I, and many other gay men I know, came out in the 70s and had sex during the AIDS years and after. Lots of sex. Even sex in bathhouses. It was never the number of partners nor the places the sex happened that determined the potential of becoming HIV infected. It was the SEX ACTS. Some transmit HIV. Some do not. We engaged in SEX ACTS that did NOT have risk of HIV infection (mutual masturbation, rimming, fingering assholes, toys, ball sucking, CBT, frottage, role play, SM games with no penetration of cock into asshole, piss play, etc, etc, etc. How many of these sexual strategied for survival for gay men are taught in public schools? Oh, they were never invited as part of the prevention discussion because HIV POZ INC was too busy highjacking the entire circus to destigmatize poz men so that they could continue to have sex without blame. The blame shifted to the manipulative and evil negative partner who let himself get infected. Some of those men are furious and fighting back and such criminalization is the result (as it was since day 1 for hetero men and women). The answer is that the WHOLE THING has been WRONG since DAY 1. Or more accurately, not Day 1, but rather about Day 1990 or whenever viral aparthied was created by AIDS INC (ironically Tim McGaskell was a member of that AIDS INC -- he seems drawn to anything to do with aparthieds.)
living with the dead, Toronto Ontario
07/06/12 4:17 PM EST
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TO: Living with the dead....
In your self-righteous indignation you do not realize that you've not described anything that is specifically GAY at all. I've had lots of man on man sex and not once did it not involve cock to ass or cock to cock, rough male to male, grunting, sweaty sex, Male GAY SEX, with hard cocks. So I'm happy for your SEX ACTS, I guess? But gee what's the point? By the way, you make it perfectly clear that the Best Gay Men died and left the likes of you in all your self-righteous indignation safely knowing your basically heterosexual SEX ACTS were correct and right. God bless you.
pansy, Toronto On
07/06/12 5:29 PM EST
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pansy, your anger issues need help
pansy, you are so filled with rage and fury towards gay men you need help before you harm someone else or yourself. Or you could just go play on the highway and do us all a favour.
how is cock and ball torture heterosexual, Toronto Ontario
07/06/12 5:46 PM EST
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Oraquick
I'll know my status. The state won't.
Eli Clyne, Hamilton Ontario
07/06/12 6:22 PM EST
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Anger issues
oh puullleeez girlfriend. I love Gay so much I'm willing to put cock to mouth, unlike you (place name here), who thankfully was correct in practicing heterosexual SEX ACTS as opposed to putting cock to ass and thus saving yourself from the dreaded HIV. But hey, if that's angry so be it. You sound wickedly female to me, you're (place name here)not quite passing the smell test. I'm proud and apparently I'm angry. So be it.
Pansy, Toronto ON
07/06/12 6:57 PM EST
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From my own experience as Mistress
CBT is very heterosexual. We enjoy kink too.
Mistress, toronto on
07/06/12 7:36 PM EST
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edit needed for clarity
Minstrel, I forgot the word "mutual" so no hetero intended.----------------------- ps pansy, nice to know you hate women as well as gay men? Are you bisexual?
living dead blah blah, Toronto Ontario
07/06/12 8:33 PM EST
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bull shit!
living dead says "highjacking the entire circus to destigmatize poz men so that they could continue to have sex without blame. The blame shifted to the manipulative and evil negative partner who let himself get infected." That and other such blame games is such total and utter bull shit by whiny little kids who've never grown up regardless of their age. Others are responsible for the health and well being of children, adults are responsible for their own health and well being. If you engage in risky sex and become HIV+ it is your own fault, no one elses, unless you were raped of course, you chose to engage in risky sex, to not use protection so the results of your choices are your own responsibility. Its not like its shocking or so incredibly unimaginable to realize that sometimes people lie about themselves when seeking out sex. Do you really believe that everyone is honest about their age or anything else when seeking sex? Of course not, so why should you believe what someone says about their HIV status? Your health and well being, especially when it comes to personal choices, is your own responsibility and no one elses. I'm HIV- and plan to stay that way, if get HIV due to a broken condom that's an accident and no one's fault, if I get HIV because I refused to use or to insist my partner use a condom then that is my own fault. I do support criminalization if someone purposefully goes about spreading HIV, such as removing a condom when their partner's back is turned or tearing a hole in it or something of that nature where there is intent to spread HIV. However such cases are exceedingly rare and do not apply to the overwhelming majority of those criminally charged with spreading HIV. Criminalizing HIV non-disclosure is just another way to partially re-criminalize gay sex and has nothing to do with justice. Its infantile and pathetic that so many gay "men" support such laws and refuse to take responsibility for their own choices and actions.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/06/12 11:23 PM EST
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so much hysteria that will NEVER end
Rich, I never once said I support this or any such law. I abhor the state interference in any sexuality. My post was my POV on what I watched happen and was a part of during the period 1980 to now. The fact that this topic elicits the kind of hysteria from some posters -- the pansy re-enacting 1997's Scott O'Hara's declaration that only poz gay men are truly gay because HIV -negative gay men are afraid of sex thus creating the viral apartheid that has plagued gay men's relationship with HIV and AIDS ever since. And pansy's attempt to draw a line between "real" gay sex (cocksucking and assfucking) and other acts that I mentioned as hetero (where cocksucking and assfucking as 100% hetero!) is the O'Hara technique of better gay/loser gay. All of which makes me sick thinking of everyone who died -- which pansy-ass milks by (unwittingly I am sure)quoting Fran Lebowitz who said in the 90s that AIDS killed all the interesting fags and let all the boring ones come into the scene. Anyone who still thinks like that should be locked in a children's mental wing. Meanwhile the law has criminalized something that should have never come before them and would not have if a real conversation could happen about blame and responsibility -- but that would be victimizing and the wheel turns again...
dead alive whatever, Toronto Ontario
07/07/12 11:06 AM EST
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I told you so, Tim.
I went to your meeting in the community to stop the criminalization of HIV, two years ago. I told you that if you cooperated with them that the bigots in the legal system, at HALCO, and in Queen's Park would betray you. Happy Pride! Canada is now one of the most retarded and phobic place for people with HIV to live. Even though we are not able to transmit the medical condition we are criminalized. Fight back! I told you so, Tim
I told you so, Toronto Ontario
07/07/12 11:37 AM EST
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I tokld you so"
"I told you so, Tim. I went to your meeting in the community to stop the criminalization of HIV, two years ago. I told you that if you cooperated with them that the bigots in the legal system, at HALCO, and in Queen's Park would betray you. Happy Pride! Canada is now one of the most retarded and phobic place for people with HIV to live. Even though we are not able to transmit the medical condition we are criminalized. Fight back! I told you so, Tim" I SECOND THIS! I TOLD YOU SO. I TOLD YOU SO.
pansy, Toronto ON
07/07/12 6:19 PM EST
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It's about time...
Now it's time to push for an anonymous tip line as well so we can start arresting these fuckers. Guilty or not, I don't care, we'll get them on something. It's about time the LIBERAL government has come on side with all moral and upstanding citizens.
Aids Fuckers, Toronto Ontario
07/09/12 5:56 PM EST
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Anonymous Tip Line
is the next step! I agree with AF, and it couldn't come soon enough! These people have to be locked up permanently, all of them. It's clear none of them can act responsibly. For the protection of us all they need to be in prison immediately.
Gary, Toronto ON
07/10/12 10:00 AM EST
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Collaborators, turning us all in...
Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network and HALCO are just 2 (of a seemingly never ending group of ASO's and advocates)who are bound and determined it seems to send all HIV+ people (especially Gay Men!) to the DEATH CAMPS. I can only look at their ACTIONS as a point of reference to see their eventual goal coming to fruition step by step, hmmn, like NAZISM. (supporting criminalization of HIV as one step, among others) Do I care what they say? No. I care what they DO! Historically they would be called collaborators.
Amber, Toronto On
07/10/12 11:50 AM EST
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The Innocent
I have a conflicted approach to the criminialization of people living with HIV/AIDS. My straight sister and her child did not ask to be infected. She was engaged to the man that infected her, but she CHOSE to sleep with him while waiting test results without protection. My sister doesn't see herself as a victim, but rather as someone that AFFECTED her child's life without malice by passing her illness on. So does this mean that she should face charges? Where do we draw the line on helping/hindering people living with HIV. Someone asked what the big deal is - in 2012. It shouldn't be. Every person who sleeps with someone takes responsiblility for what they do. It's time people owned up to that.. Let's stop the pointing fingers at people. Forget about locking them up, the person that chooses to sleep with someone without protection is JUST AS GUILTY as the person who infects them, and deep down we know this. Trudeau said the government had no business being in the bedrooms of Canadaians, when and why did this belief change.
Paul, Toronto Ontario
07/10/12 1:08 PM EST
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Madness
I would argue, as I have elsewhere, that if we are to criminalize HIV non-disclosure, then it seems to me we must necessarily criminalize non-disclosure of all infections that can be life-threatening. This would include Flu, which kills more people than HIV in Canada and the US. This, of course, would be clearly absurd. In my view, only non-disclosures with clear intent to harm might qualify for prosecution. The law needs to distinguish between non-disclosure with intent to harm (very rare), and non-disclosure without intent to harm (very common). There is a difference, and the law must reflect this. The alternative is to prosecute non-disclosure of any potentially life-threatening infection. If that is the future then they better start building more prisons NOW.
Carl, Toronto ON
07/10/12 6:09 PM EST
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Caveat Emptor 1/2
It should be up to the Crown to prove that an accused person deliberately intended to hurt someone by infecting them with HIV or any other STIs because otherwise they have no grounds to prosecute an HIV+ person criminally for assault or intent to harm someone. An accused person is innocent until proven guilty and without proving intent to harm beyond reasonable doubt there can be no conviction for assault or intent to harm so the burden of proof is on the Crown to prove that an accused HIV+ person intended to harm others or was criminally reckless in having sex with others. I was a pedestrian who almost got wiped out 5 years ago by an idiot who decided to charge a red light at 120+km/hr and caused a huge traffic accident but they prosecuted him only under the Highway Traffic Act and not under the Criminal Code. They just took the attitude that it was easier to convict him for running a red light than to convict him for attempted manslaughter. Even if he had actually succeeded in killing me he still would not have been prosecuted criminally. Likewise the justice system is notorious for going easy on drunk drivers who hurt and kill other people. The real reason for criminal prosecution of HIV+ guys who have sex with others is to begin the process of recriminalizing and repathologizing homosexuality itself under the guise of supposedly protecting the public from HIV infection. If you have sex with anyone who is not your legal spouse then you should always assume that person has some sort of STI and use safer-sex techniques religiously:- Caveat Emptor. I notice that the legal system does not prosecute people with obvious colds and flu who travel on public transit and visit public libraries and so on and who are quite diligent in spreading those germs to other people so basically the same legal standards for prosecution which apply to dissemination of the common cold and to influenza should also apply to HIV and other STIs.
Cinderella, Toronto Ontario
07/10/12 6:40 PM EST
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Caveat Emptor 2/2
The gay community also needs to realize that its political capital has always been very limited and that its political capital has become even more limited recently and that it should use that political capital selectively to benefit the majority of mainstream gay guys than to fritter it away on silly projects such as so-called “trans rights” and so on. Trannies are very homophobic and always demand a lot from the gay community but never ever give anything back so perhaps it is time for the gay community to recognize that it needs to look after itself first rather than to waste its increasingly scarce political capital and legal defense funds on inherently useless projects such as so-called “trans rights”. If the trannies want special rights for themselves then they can lobby for them on their own and the gay community does not need to waste its time on such nonsense. I can assure you that when they start arresting gay guys wholesale and railroading them into jail on flimsy pretexts and imprisoning them en masse those precious pathetic self-aggrieved and self-entitled trannies will not waste a single tear on us no matter how much we have helped them in the past. The best use of gay political capital and legal defense resources right now is to beat back the criminalization of HIV and that should be the gay community’s top priority because it will benefit the maximum number of GLB people and be a far better use of scarce GLB political and legal resources than wasting them on a very tiny gang of pathetic and very homophobic trannies who will never run out of things to complain about and demand no matter what we do for them.
Cinderella, Toronto Ontario
07/10/12 6:46 PM EST
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Cinderella...
... sure is one ugly step-sister. I'm not trans, but have you ever wondered why trans people would have problems with gay guys like yourself Cinderella? What do trans people have to do with criminalizing non-disclosure anyways? Sure trans people can also be arrested for non-disclosure if they're HIV+, especially if they're gay men. Some gay men are trans too, you may even have had sex with a trans gay man and not realized it if they didn't disclose. You are the most pathetic sort of a minority person, one whose a bigot towards other minorities so they can feel less so themselves. Go back to washing the floors Cinderella, no place at the ball for someone as ugly inside as you. Everyone staying in their own little identity castles attacking others helps no one, not even themselves. Seriously though and I don't mean this part as an insult, get professional help to deal with your issues instead of putting them on display. No one is perfect and everyone needs professional help to deal with their own issues/problems at some time or another. This may be your time, your comment attacking trans people came right out of nowhere. Btw trans people are lobbying themselves for their rights, they certainly aren't sitting around waiting for gay guys like yourself to do anything to help them out, they are doing it for themselves. Being an ally increases political capital, it doesn't diminish it. Though I guess if you want to cosy up to anti-trans bigots it doesn't help, but why would anyone whose suffered bigotry want to join the bigots anyways?
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/10/12 9:36 PM EST
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no cock gay sex?
Rich wrote: you may even have had sex with a trans gay man and not realized it if they didn't disclose.------ It really is amazing how formerly cock-centred gay men have apparently abandoned the penis as central to man to man sex to the point where "disclosure" is needed because genitals are not part of the gay sex. I must have been a cock hound since their cock were central to the sex I had with thousands of men back in the day (so was my cock btw). Now you're saying there is the new no cock gay sex. What an strange de-phallused world for young gay men now.
cockadoodledoo, Toronto Ontario
07/10/12 10:06 PM EST
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Yes...
I saw the Cinderella comments quickly overshadowing the very serious issue of what HIV+ and Gay Men are threatened with. Brutal State Persecution! I am not in favour of persecution of any minority. I fully support Trans pursuing their rights. With that said, there is a point to be made that all resources should now be put towards ensuring that Gay Men are not, as some would suggest and I'm not going to argue, be placed in the death camps (or what are also called prisons). Historically speaking one could argue this is where we are headed with such a stupid and barbaric legal process. This is a very serious danger. Next to the Holocaust, this is the greatest threat to all LGBT2S had ever had to face in modern history. AIDS will pale in comparison. I am a little shocked at the silence of the gay community at this very real attack against them all. It is to say the least a deafening quietness, so I wonder, who are the real bigots? Or is it simply stupidity? Or perhaps, the us against them take? THAT never works. But then again, I warned the "advocates" what supporting criminalization of HIV and playing nice with the oppressors would do (and here we are) and I was dismissed then. I now send out a warning to you all, this is not to be taken lightly, you are at significant threat by this turn of events.
SnowWhite, Toronto Ontario
07/10/12 10:22 PM EST
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yeah, right
hey Marcus, your so-called journalism is a lie and that is the result of an activist/fat kid guarding the cookie jar. btw: HIV kills (which you blatantly lied about in one of your tweets months ago). on average, people with it die 12 years sooner.
Barth, Toronto ON
07/17/12 1:23 PM EST
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yeah, right
hey Marcus, your so-called journalism is a lie and that is the result of an activist/fat kid guarding the cookie jar. btw: HIV kills (which you blatantly lied about in one of your tweets months ago). on average, people with it die 12 years sooner.
Barth, Toronto Ontario
07/17/12 1:24 PM EST
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