Ontario religious groups blast GSAs at anti-bullying committee
ONTARIO NEWS / 'People came out of there just reeling today': Horwath
Andrea Houston / National / Tuesday, May 08, 2012
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Anti-gay parents and religious groups told the standing committee for social policy at Queen’s Park on May 7 that gay-straight alliances (GSAs) “promote the gay lifestyle” and that Bill 13 is tantamount to “slavery.”

More than 20 people spoke against Bill 13, the Liberals' Accepting Schools Act, during the first of four committee hearings. The committee is also looking at Bill 14, the Progressive Conservative anti-bullying legislation. Education Minister Laurel Broten says the best elements of Bill 14 will be incorporated into Bill 13.

Charles McVety, president of Canada Christian College, was the first to speak and said Bill 13 “embraces a radical sex education agenda” and children will be taught “about oral and anal sex.”

“My daughter is a precious little 14-year-old girl. I beg you not to do this to my daughter,” he said. “This bill goes against the Bible. The Bible is a very important document.”

Ekron Malcolm, director at the Institute for Canadian Values, called Bill 13 “a form of slavery” because students will be exposed to positive messages about being gay. “You are forcing your ideas on my family values, my black family values
. . . How dare you take away my right to teach my children my heritage.”
From left: Charles McVety, president of Canada Christian College; Rabbi Mendel Kaplan, from the Chabad Flamingo synagogue; and Ekron Malcolm, director at the Institute for Canadian Values, at the first public committee hearing for Bill 13.
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Rabbi Mendel Kaplan, from the Chabad Flamingo synagogue, said the government is forcing schools to go against religious doctrine. “I was bullied in school. I don’t believe sexual orientation is a cause of bullying.”

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath, who didn’t attend the hearing in person, told Xtra afterward that the committee was a “very unpleasant space for a lot of people.

“People came out of there just reeling today, and I think it really speaks to why we need to have this bill in the first place,” she said.

Throughout the nearly three hours of presentations it became clear to committee members that many of those present misunderstood Bill 13 or had not read it. The bill is aimed at tackling bullying, including anti-gay bullying, in Ontario schools. Many told the committee the reason they oppose Bill 13 is because it will teach radical sex and gender education to their children.

At several points committee members challenged the speakers, asking them to point to any section of the legislation that mentions sex education.

“So, the GSA component in the bill is the sex education you’re referring to? When you talk about sex education, you mean the word gay?” NDP MPP Peter Tabuns asked. “Gay means sex?”

To this, presenter Jim Kwan, from the Markham Voice website, replied, “Yes.”

Liberal MPP Kevin Flynn asked if Kwan had actually read Bill 13. Kwan said he had not, adding, “GSAs promote the gay lifestyle.”

GSAs have been a lightning-rod issue in Ontario Catholic schools since Xtra revealed last year that the student support groups have been prohibited by many Catholic administrators. Since then, students in Catholic schools across Ontario have requested GSAs and been denied repeatedly.

NDP MPP Cheri DiNovo, who is also a United Church minister, said the speakers do not represent the majority of faithful Ontarians. “This is a particular faction of these faiths. They do not represent the mainstream of any of those groups, and we have to keep that in mind.”

Meanwhile, Kim Galvao, the director of Concerned Catholic Parents of Ontario, rejected the idea that lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans youth are bullied more than other students, like “fat kids, short kids or kids with glasses.” She said Bill 13 “smacks of social engineering.”
Kim Galvao, the director of Concerned Catholic Parents of Ontario.
(Andrea Houston)


“Bill 13 provides too much sexually focused information,” she said. “Our children don’t need more sex education. They need less.”

Galvao attempted to downplay the bullying experienced by queer youth by pointing to a 2006 Toronto District School Board student census for grades 7 to 12 that found students were primarily bullied for other reasons, including their physical appearance and cultural background.  

Casey Oraa, vice-chair of Queer Ontario, says the study is not accurate because it did not include data from Catholic schools. Egale's 2009 Canadian Climate Survey on Homophobia states that more than 60 percent of lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans students reported they felt unsafe at school.

Egale, too, says the numbers could be much higher because the survey doesn’t include Catholic schools. “We were not given permission to implement the survey in any Catholic school divisions,” the document states.

“LGBT youth are at great risk of bullying and suicide, and they need explicit protections,” Egale executive director Helen Kennedy has said.

Committee hearings continue May 8 at 4pm. The list of speakers can be found here. It’s not too late to get on the list.

This Saturday, members of the Ontario GSA Coalition are planning a 1pm rally at Queen’s Park to show support for Bill 13.

For anyone interested in reading Bill 13, a copy of the legislation can be found here.




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Reader Comments


 
this is not worthy of legislation
Check out the statistics of the "gay lifestyle". Nearly 50% of new HIV infections are from gay men. 60% of Ontario HIV population is men who have sex with men. One in 5 gay men have HIV and the disease shortens a person's lifetime by an average of 12 years. Over 90 percent of HIV-positive gay men and 65 percent of HIV-negative gay men are infected with HPV-which causes anal cancer. Oh, let's not forget the suicides... the root causes of those are because of straight people being mean to gay people. NOT! We used to call being gay "choice". can't do that anymore because as she snorts another line Lady Gaga belts out "we were born this way". And if they don't know they were "born this way", they better wake up to the fact. Because gay is happy. And as noted above, happy means healthy.
Norman, Calgary Alberta
05/08/12 10:48 PM EST
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Response to Norman
Hey Norman, there is a group of HIV-positive people who naturally prevent HIV from replicating in their blood system - without the benefit of ANY anti-retroviral drugs. They are known as elite controllers. They have been the subject of much scientific study. If science can figure out how they prevent the virus from replicating, it may be the basis for a vaccine against HIV. See: http://www.hivcontrollers.org/hivcontrollers So, when a vaccine for HIV is found, what then will be your basis for hating gay people?
Charles, Toronto Ontario
05/08/12 11:05 PM EST
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Hey Charles....
The Elite Controllers studies you refer to are not really happening in any significant way any longer as the pharmaceutical companies and the AID$ industry saw no benefit for their interests and there simply are not enough private resources without these industries at the very least appearing to be supportive.
charmedI'msure, Toronto Ontario
05/09/12 12:08 AM EST
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There Are Unheatlhy Heterosexuals Too
Norman: There is no gay lifestyle nor straight lifestyle. There is no causality between being gay or straight and having a disease. There are many variables which will determine any individuals risk factors. There are some sexual diseases that are more common among gays than straights and vice-versa. Yes, there is more HIV/AIDS among gay men. It's a virus. Gay men are most likely to have sex with other gay men so it has stayed mostly in this community. There is also a great deal of testing involving gay males. More people are living with AIDS and living longer because of improved treatments, so this is also affecting the total number who have it. Chlamydia is the most common reported STD/STI in Canada. This affects straight people more, and women twice as much as men. HPV, which you cited as if some kind of inditment against gay men, infects most sexually active people both gay and straight. It typically has no symtoms and goes away in most people. However, it is the chief cause of cervical cancer in many heterosexual women, causing early death. Diseases are preventable and treatable. Fear of disease is the worst reason to identify as either gay or straight. Shouldn't it be because of something positive, like you are attracted to and have feelings for a person of either sex? Are some of those who cite this argument trying to scare themselves to be heterosexual?
Clint, Thunder Bay ON
05/09/12 12:54 AM EST
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It's bullying
Adult disease doesn't even matter. The point is that LGBT youth have historically been targets for vicious bullying in Ontario schools, and such bullying has often been ignored or even encouraged by teachers and parents, and has resulted in a string of suicides that recently began to be noticed. This bill aims to provide these students some support, so they have a better shot of making it to adulthood with less trauma in their background. There is no conceivable harm caused by GSAs. At the very worst, they do nothing. There is no rational argument against them. That's why you get BS about disease. I marvel at the kind of scum that would withdraw help from kids because they might get sick as adults.
Randy, Windsor ON
05/09/12 1:28 AM EST
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One, or a few more things...
Great points, Randy. I forgot to mention unplanned/unwanted pregnancy as a possible negative resulting from heterosexual sex. Google "The Heterosexual Agenda-Exposing The Myths", to see a parody of how statistics may be used by anyone with an agenda. I also want to take issue with the 1 in 5 gay men have HIV figure, alleged by Norman. I don't know where this came from. I think it must be using the men who have sex with men(MSM) figure and comparing it to men who self-identify as gay or bi-sexual. Not all MSM identify as gay, and the actual number who identify as or bi-sexual to the government is likely to be lower than the actual number. Studies of volunteers in selected big urban centres also may not represent gay and bi-sexual men in general.
Clint, Thunder Bay ON
05/09/12 2:20 AM EST
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Stop The Madness!
Yes Norman. Those people are diseased. If this EVIL bill that wants to stop kids from bullying each other becomes law, our children will be FORCED to watch EVEIL SEX PERVERSION videos about not hating others. That's just WRONG! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0dB0JNcf00&feature=player_embedded
Hugo Dann, Halifax Nova Scotia
05/09/12 6:40 AM EST
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hypocritical coward :liberal: religionists
Cheri DiNovo, who is also a United Church minister, said the speakers do not represent the majority of faithful Ontarians. --- Then where the hell are they all? Christians and other religions who claim to be progressive (and include vocal gays among their members) always say this yet why are their leaders not at this hearing to blast the views of the fundamentalists. Why are they always hiding behind their tea and bake sales proclaiming that they are more advanced that these embarrassing (to them) fellow religionists -- yet the liberal religionists never appear in the media and at these public events to denounce the fundamentalists. Why? Your silence is tacit approval of your fundamentalist brethren. Put that in your collection plate, phonies.
david, Toronto Ontario
05/09/12 7:46 AM EST
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Ban ALL religions
and the religitards who follow them. Followers of all the religions are seriously mental ill. So mentally, spiritually or emotionally healthy LGBT follows any archaic, primitive, barbaric religion. This is NOT an LGBT issue, it is an issue of the mentally deficient and their imposition.
criticalthinker, Toronto ON
05/09/12 8:24 AM EST
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check this out
Gay or straight, look at the earlier arguments for HIV. The “group of HIV-positive people” who do not replicate the virus in their system are few and far between. It is not the clap. That is no excuse to accept it as not being a harmful disease. Whether you are on HIV meds or not, if you have it your life is shortened. This is one of the arguments gays would tell our children. HIV is okay. And yeah, gay men have sex with gay men in their community because that’s what gay men do. Straight men don’t want that. So what we, both gays and straights, must do to have a real alliance is do what we can to destroy. Stop being the silent majority and hush these creeps in the same fashion they tried to hush the majority. They’re not strong. They just bang pots and pans because they're weak.
James, Ottawa On
05/09/12 9:15 AM EST
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re: check this out
the fact that homosexuals are trying to normalize HIV show that they will try and teach our children it's okay to be HIV positive. get meds. and maybe science will make it okay. Why is HIV such a problem in the gay community? Because "we are born this way"? No. Oh, right. I'm telling the truth. Err... sorry. "HATE".
Greg, Vancouver BC
05/09/12 10:28 AM EST
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Stop This Ignorance
"Today, I can tell my patients with HIV that they can have a normal life expectancy," said Stefano Vella, director of drug research and evaluation at the Institute Superiore di Sanita in Rome, the equivalent of the U.S. National Institutes of Health. Of course, there are some caveats, Vella told United Press International, the chief one being that the patient has to take the prescribed medicines faithfully; another, that patients have access to treatment. "We have so many medicines now and they are so good that we know we can keep the virus suppressed for years," said Vella, a former president of the International AIDS Society, the organization that ran last week's record-setting International AIDS Conference in Toronto, Canada. http://www.terradaily.com/reports/HIV_Life_Expectancy_Now_Normal_999.html With the availability of treatments to reduce HIV viral load and improve immune health, many people who are diagnosed early can expect to have an approximately normal life span. http://www.ehow.com/about_6171902_life-expectancy-people-aids.html This argument on disease is a fallcy. It would compel straight women to become lesbians for the reason of avoiding otherwise preventable and treatable disease alone. Worldwide HIV?AIDS affects mostly heterosexuals. Condoms were mostly used to prevent pregnancy in North America when the disease started to spread. Gay men saw no reason to use these at the time. The rate of new infections decreased dramatically during the 1990s with the use of condoms. Yes, James, I stated it has stayed mainly in the gay male community, because gay men mostly have sex with other gay men. That's how a virus spreads. In Africa, which has a far greater epidemic, it's stayed mostly in the heterosexual community. Education should be used to continue to prevent HIV. People need self-esteem and power, particularly if they are the passive partner, whether male or female, gay or straight, to negotiate safe sex.
Clint, Thunder Bay ON
05/09/12 3:02 PM EST
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Let's not get distracted
This is at the core of this issue: It is the year 2012 and Ontario's publicly funded Catholic schools are still violating fundamental Charter rights by treating gays as non-persons. Lose the Mississippi-style discrimination, or lose the funding. Period. Can you think of any other public service anywhere in the free world that can get away with denying you employment for your skin colour or your sexual orientation? Welcome to Ontario. Ontario, it's time to dump this anachronistic BS. If not, then the world ought to know that we are no better than 1952 Alabama, and prospective foreign investment ought to treat us accordingly.
Robert, Ottawa ON
05/09/12 11:49 PM EST
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A spiritual helper
Dear Lord Jesus Christ: please forgive these bad politicians who care only about their own popularity and alliances with the media to get re-elected. The majority of Canadians–the silent majority–do not want the gay lifestyle in our schools. Children are easily influenced by each other's behaviour. Homosexuality is not an identity in the manner being Black, Jewish, Native, white or a woman is an identity. True, the gay and lesbian population is diverse. But lobbyists pushing for this kind of destructive legislation come from only a few groups (i.e. the few people working at this “newspaper”, AIDS groups, EGALE and groups trying to change HIV disclosure laws so people don’t have to disclose their HIV statuses). These few people are lying to the public to achieve their own means. Christians who do not want their children exposed to the eventual socialization and normalization of HIV are not fear-mongers, which the few corrupt groups listed above would tell the public they are. For example, Alan Hubley—the Ottawa City councillor whose gay son committed suicide last year—repeatedly said he did not want his son’s name being used in vain for this vile political agenda. These homosexual activist groups have no problem lying and deceiving the public because they feel the public has wronged them for far these too long. But that is far from the truth. Now, these wicked people realize they must appeal to other groups in order to push the “gay lifestyle" on innocent children, something that is destructive to society as a whole. These small numbers of people have used sophisticated techniques to destroy Christianity—committing blasphemy and deicide. We as Christians and general should no longer be forgiving of these corrupt organizations because they do not want God’s love. Children will always be mean to a select few children. The legislation proposed by these corrupt governments cannot change that. But we as spiritually healthy people can stand up to this evil. T
A spiritual helper, Vancouver BC
05/11/12 9:11 AM EST
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Bullies Aren't Victims
A spiritual helper:It's hard to know where to begin, dealing with the utter silliness of your post. Gay people are in your schools, in your world,always were and always will be. This is recognized when the gay kids are bullied and when homophobic comments are made. Yes, being gay is an identity. Gay orientation is not consciously chosen. Have you studied the subject, are you gay? If not, what makes you an authority on the matter? Being gay doesn't mean you have HIV. It doesn't even mean you've had sex. People are bullied and discriminated against on the basis of having a gay identity. No one know what they have done in bed or if they've done anything. What do we do with people who have HIV? Do we not treat them and spit upon them? Does this only apply to the gay group who got HIV or to the heterosexuals one as well? Being gay can't be "pushed" on someone anymore than being straight can be "pushed" on gay people. If getting positive, correct education on being gay will suddenly make a straight person gay, the person wasn't heterosexual to being with. Hatred comes from insecurity. This is waht we see time after time with anti-gay people. There is no logic to their comments and they are simply bigoted as a result of their sense of insecurity. Your final comment, "a spiritual helper", is hilarious. You seem to recognize that kids are being "mean" to the gay ones. Yet you accept it, claiming nothing can be done about it. Yet you presume people have so much control over sexual orientation(when evidence and logic demonstrates they do not). People must be mean and non-empathetic to others? Really? Any challenge to this makes the mean people into victims and everyone else "evil" and "wicked" and a threat to Christianity? You don't make any sense. I doubt you represent the majority of Canadians, silent or not.
Clint, Thunder Bay ON
05/11/12 8:52 PM EST
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re: Bullies Aren't Victims
Clint: not all gay men have HIV but most HIV patients in Canada are gay men. Why is that? That is because our bodies are not intended for gay sexual behaviour.
A spiritual helper, Vancouver BC
05/12/12 12:27 AM EST
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Gay Masturbation and Artifical Inseminations Rule
Looking at the entire world, HIV affects mostly heterosexuals and more heterosexual women then men. That's been the case in Africa, which has shown how HIV can spread very easily indeed among heterosexuals. Would this indicate heteroesexuals weren't intended to have sex with each other?Sexually transmitted diseases have always been around. This reality isn't an indication that our bodies weren't "intended" for sex. Intention is subjective. Each of our body parts perform many different things under many different circumstances. Who is to say what the one purpose is? What do you think the effort to get so many young women vaccinated against HPV virus,which causes cervical cancer, is about? Does this mean their bodies weren't meant for sex with a man? Differing stats in different locations among gay and straight are not an indication of direct causation likened to smoking causes cancer(there are no variables among different smokers to lower the potential risks). To establish causality, numbers of gay men with HIV would have to be much higher in Canada/North America. Do you know that the gay or straight percentage of those with HIV will vary between regions in Canada and the U.S., with some fast growing regions having mostly heterosexuals infected? If potential disease=morality, masturbation and artificial insemination should be holy sacraments(I guess the immaculate conception kind of was, wasn't it?) Passive gay partners and female heterosexual partners should be put in the lower class because they are more at risk. Lesbians should be higher. All of this seems arbitrary, contrived and unfair prejudice though, doesn't it?
Clint, Thunder Bay ON
05/12/12 2:40 AM EST
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The misinformation about HIV
it's transmission, the meds and their side-effects and the uniqueness of it's (the viru$) discrimination policy against the Gays is all good fun. I especially like the one about heterosexual transmissions in Africa. That's a good one. Or how abut the doctor claiming people can have a "normal" life expectancy on meds? Or the statement that our bodies are not meant for gay sex, that's why the viru$ discriminates.rotflmao ..............It's right in front of everyone's faces but they can't see a damn thing, not a damn thing. I think people better stop drinking the water. It's making them stupid. Oh as to GSA? Shut the whole school system down, or stop govn't funding. It's NOT a gay issue. Better yet, if you've got a gay kid, take them out of the Catholic School System. To me keeping them there is CHILD ABUSE and the parents should be charged and imprisoned. I'm just sayin is all
Chris, Toronto ON
05/12/12 8:55 AM EST
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No discrimination
Chris: My comments were factual and cited highly relevent expert opinion. Indeed, the fact that it affects mostly heterosexuals in many places, shows the virus does not discriminate. We can also find differences in terms of many diverse illnesses including HIV, between different racial and ethnic and socio-economic groups. That's also not causality. While it's a seperate topic, and not a reason to ban GSAs when students want them, the misconceptions and outdated information on HIV seems to be inspiring the irrational reactions. This cannot be allowed to stand without challenge. The following is some more relevent authority on the subject--- Many people still believe that if HIV doesn't kill you, then HIV-related complications will. But that is not true. Managing complications from HIV is a far cry from what it was in the past. If you and your doctor are vigilant, staying healthy and living a full life with HIV are very possible. "In the current era, patients should not feel as though HIV is in any way a death sentence,” says Monica Gandhi, MD, MPH, director of the HIV Consult Service at San Francisco General Hospital. In fact, many HIV complications can be avoided, says Babafemi O. Taiwo, MBBS, an internist and assistant professor of infectious diseases at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago. "This is not 1985, when you had to take AZT and you had to live with anemia," he says. "The notion that you have to suffer through an HIV regimen is really archaic. You can find a regimen that best suits your lifestyle with no adverse effects." The disease still offers its challenges, say these two HIV experts. But HIV medications are much less toxic and easier to tolerate than in the past. Staying healthy with HIV is now within reach if you protect your overall health and work closely with your doctor to avoid complications. http://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/staying-healthy-10/hiv-aids-complications?page=1
Clint, Thunder Bay ON
05/13/12 6:28 PM EST
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