Ontario asexuals challenge assumptions
FEATURE / Brock University study found one percent of population does not feel any sexual attraction
David Seitz / National / Friday, July 27, 2012
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From the age of 11 or 12, Frances says, she knew there was something "off" about her.
 
At 17, she fell in love with a man – but felt no sexual attraction. A few years later, she fell in love with a woman – but again, nothing. After spending years in bisexual women's and lesbian communities, the London, Ontario, resident realized those labels didn't quite fit. Although she was interested in romance and a self-described sex-positive feminist, Frances simply wasn't interested in sex. Haunted by stereotypes, she panicked: "I said to a friend I was going to die alone, surrounded by cats."
 
Her friend suggested she check the internet for a community for people who want romantic relationships without sex.
 
Last December, Frances took that advice and discovered the Asexual Visibility and Education Network (AVEN). For more than a decade, the group has educated the public about asexuality and connected tens of thousands of asexual-identified and questioning people with resources and each other.
 
The asexual Pride flag.
Like other identity-based communities, AVEN stresses there are as many ways of being asexual as there are asexuals. Some are in non-sexual romantic relationships (monogamous or not), others in sexual relationships, still others single. Some see asexuality as a political, queer or radical identity. Others want nothing to do with politics.
 
What asexuals share is that they do not experience sexual attraction to other people, and AVEN's spectacular growth – and scientific data – suggest they're far from alone. A widely cited 2004 study on sexual behaviour in the UK by Brock University psychology professor Anthony Bogaert suggests about one percent of the population self-described as "never having a sexual attraction."
 
In a society many describe as relentlessly sexual, asexuals can also face invisibility, isolation and questions that range from genuinely curious to outright hostile.
 
May, also from London, describes the scrutiny she faces for being a "happily single" 30-year-old asexual woman. "Aside from 'Are you gay?'" she says, "the most popular speculation is, 'Were you abused as a child?'"
 
May's experiences point to how assumptions about "normal" desire can affect sexual and asexual people alike, working in tandem with homophobic, sexist and ageist stereotypes. Her knack for sarcasm, she says, is often interpreted as flirtatious. "There is always the irritating subtext of 'sex,'" she says. "The one that dictates [that] any 30-year-old woman without a ring on her finger who pays a lot of attention to another person is just offering her body to them."
 
And despite the work of Bogaert, York University's Ela Pryzbylo, UK researcher Mark Carrigan and others, academic takes on asexuality have often been silent or silencing. As an undergraduate in a psychology course on human sexuality at a public university in Ontario, Sarah says she found diverse perspectives in the course, ranging from evolutionary biology to social and cultural, yet the text made not one mention of asexuality.
 
But when Sarah started a dialogue, her professor not only listened to her critiques, but also invited her to give a guest lecture on the topic. Now a graduate student in Toronto, Sarah travels to her alma mater to lecture on asexuality each year. Drawing from psychology, sociology and queer theory, she invites students to consider the role of power and scientific authority in making some identities and practices seem normal and natural and others seem pathological.
AVEN marches in 2011 Toronto Pride.
(Tumblr (Ace up your sleeve))
 
Of course, it's not only straight people who trot out such stereotypes. Nate, who has marched in AVEN's contingent at Toronto Pride for the last two years and identifies as queer, says as much prejudice can come from corners of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans community as from straight people. "A lot of people think, 'I'm gay, I'm liberal, I'm accepting,' and then here's another thing, and there's a sense of rivalry for no reason."
 
A gay friend made a comment about how Frances, who is now in a relationship with an asexual man, "isn't really queer anymore." She replied, "I'm still queer; I'm just a few letters back at the end of the line."
 
Increasingly, local asexuals are building communities through and beyond the internet and stepping forward to challenge assumptions about sexual norms. Both Toronto and London are now home to regular asexual meet-ups, with more information available through AVEN.
 
For Frances, asexual communities, like trans communities, could create space for alternative genders and intimacies that aren't focused primarily on sex. As a self-described queer "doer and joiner," she is frustrated by the segregation of gay, lesbian and trans communities and sees asexuality as a different path to building queer community. "When only certain narratives are given a stage," she says, "it does create these huge gaps. I don't want anybody to feel broken."
 
Note: All of the people interviewed in this story asked that their last names not be used in order to protect their privacy. 


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LGBTTIQQ2SA
Change the A in Pride TO's alphabet soup from ALLIES to ASEXUAL.
Kim, Toronto ON
07/28/12 2:32 PM EST
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self-centred beyond human reality
Change the A to Assholes. Being "broken" is what life is about. Talk about people with WAY too much time on their hands. Anhedonic. Anti-social. Pathetic.
incredulous at the indulgence, Toronto Ontario
07/28/12 5:09 PM EST
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It's real
For years, I behaved asexually. There was no word to describe my behavior, there was no context for my perspectives on intimacy, and I thought I was broken. I spent a lot of time questioning my humanity and hating myself. And then I found the asexual community. It did not turn me inward, but back out. To call asexuals "self-centred" is not ignorant, it's stupid. The thought of a person who would claim that Rome is above the Arctic Circle or humanity and sociability are defined by the desire for sex. Not ignorant. I said, stupid.
eib, Buffalo NY
07/29/12 8:08 AM EST
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Fitting in or getting really depressed?
Although I respect the rights of asexuals, I don't think Pride or the visible LGBT community (e.g., Church Street in Toronto) is a place for asexuals. The LGBT community, especially the gay male community, is all about sex. Would asexuals really be happy at Pride when so many people are expressing affection and behaving in a sexually charged manner? Wouldn't asexuals just get really, really depressed at Pride - knowing that it's a place where they don't fit in at all?
Tom J., Toronto Ontario
07/29/12 11:11 AM EST
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It is basic
The asexual community is providing a great service to us all by challenging our notions of "normal" sexuality. In an environment polarized by the male/female dichotomy, that creates the expectation we go about hour days in perpetual arousal, it is brave of them to rise a voice of dissent. They are telling us that if what we know of human sexuality comes from our single experience, the media, religion, (pseudo)science, then our knowledge is limited in that there is much we don't know, and limiting, in that we may be adhering to cultural norms that have no reason to be, preventing us from enjoying a fully human experience.
Genvieve, Toronto ON
07/29/12 11:37 AM EST
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Me gusta
This article is great - it's great to see the correct usage of the actual definition for a change. But what we should keep in mind that there's no one asexual, they actually differ greatly, there's no established stereotype to conform to. And it amazes me how people fail to understand the concept of asexuality entirely, I must admit(with some article comments in mind here. Seriously, keep an eye on the comments section of any net article dedicated to asexuality, the amount of idiocy and misunderstanding that leaks out of them is hilarious). Other than that, looking forward to Toronto 2014, Good Luck with that.
Kezaroo, Perth Western Australia
07/29/12 1:28 PM EST
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go away
When can the G opt of of the alphabet of letters? It started as a rights movement for homosexual sex and it has become a free for all for every crackpot loser who demands an "identity" of anything. You do not have sex. Who the fuck cares? It is not a collective "identity". Only people who have not been oppressed (with fists and laws) for their real identity can use such a term. Asexuals as an identity as on a par with Scrabble players or Birdwatchers. A hobby too embarrassing to discuss outside small circles of friends. Get a life. I cannot believe that people want to celebrate not being fully human. Shame. And there are no facts and nothing to learn about asexuals. You are people with low libidos who do not want to enjoy your birthright as health human beings. Your choice but don't pretend anyone is throwing you in jail or beating you to literal death or anything that actually happens to homosexuals (and to transpeople for their gender identity). Phoney and bogus crybaby assholes trying desparately to be oppressed and noticed.
give me a break, Toronto ON
07/31/12 11:04 AM EST
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Asexuals should join the Christian Evangelists
Asexuals should join the right-wing Christian Evangelist movement. They would be celebrated there. No sex except for reproduction is the Christian Evangelist motto. The Christian Evangelist nuts were probably originated by Asexuals and somehow it stuck onto a whole population. LOL
Joe, Tor ON
07/31/12 12:38 PM EST
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Try no judgement
I really think people of all communities need to think outside the box. LGBT++ people have been analyzed and deconstructed about why we are Gay forever. Whether it was gay or straight people suggesting we like same sex relations because we had bad relationships with the opposite sex as one example. Does it really matter how or why people prefer one way of being over another. All though acceptance is neccesary is it essential? Asexuals have just chose (or are) a different way of being. We're all different.
Jamie, Toronto ON
07/31/12 1:02 PM EST
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better asexual than an HIV spreading queer
being asexual is better than being a homosexual (spreads AIDS) or lesbian (raises dysfunctional children and hates men). I think Xtra should talk more about being asexual. If only more of these supposed "gay" people would take lessons from them. "better to marry than to burn". obviously, gays aren't strong enough to survive or they wouldn't have to use government legislation to be accepted in societies that refuse to affirm their filth
A good start, Montreal Que
07/31/12 1:27 PM EST
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More of Dr. Stupid
Quote: You do not have sex. Who the fuck cares? It is not a collective "identity". end You define orientation only in terms of behavior. There are many gay men in the closet who have been married and have children who would doubt your reasoning. Of course it's not a "collective identity." It's an individual identity that has come together to create a collective. Who the fuck cares? You've never been in a relationship with an asexual. If someone who loved you didn't want to have sex with you, you'd assume they didn't love you. In the case of the asexual, you'd be wrong.
eib, Buffalo NY
07/31/12 10:46 PM EST
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not buying your selfish mewling
If someone loved me but did not want to have sex with me they would be in one of two categories: My mother or a good friend who was not attracted to me. Nothing to do with a new invented identity for losers. Love without sex is called friendship and familial love. You love your friends and your family without having sex with them (although many gay men do indeed enjoy having sex with friends they love). So that is a flimsy bogus obfuscation. You also never answered the charge above: name one instance in the world where an "asexual" was beaten, killed, thrown out of a home or job or family for being "asexual". Answer NEVER! NOWHERE! EVER! You are not a marginalized group. You are a whining jealous bunch of nutcase losers.
Dr. Stupide, toronto ON
08/01/12 11:03 AM EST
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Atta 'way to go
I know this Frances and I think the climb has been steep. I am reminded of a song "I can see clearly now, the rain is gone. I can see all obstacles in my way...." With clarity of vision comes the where-with-all for an intentional life. I am very prooud of the will shown to achieve this summit. In Navy language of another time "Bravo Zulu" (BV) or in every speak "Well Done!!"
Walter, Rockland On
08/01/12 2:51 PM EST
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Some Selfish Mewling!
@Dr.Stupide: "If someone loved me but did not want to have sex with me they would be in one of two categories: My mother or a good friend who was not attracted to me." And that is the difference between asexuals and sexuals. While you couple romantic love with sex, romantic asexuals don't. It's entirely possible for an asexual to do and enjoy all the romance of a relationship - dating, monogamy, non-sexual physical affection - without feeling sexual desire. Does this suddenly devalue the romantic actions, just because the asexual doesn't want sex? I hardly think it's appropriate to put dating, monogamy, and physical affection into the friendship category, so what category should they be put in, since you seem determined to devalue those feelings and actions? "(although many gay men do indeed enjoy having sex with friends they love)." Thank you for separating romantic and sexual feelings. So, you admit that two people can fall into the 'friendship' category AND have sex, yet you can't seem to wrap your mind around people who fall into the 'romantic' category and don't have sex? Why can't the opposite be true? You define love with sex as romantic love and all else as familial love or friendship, right? Wouldn't that automatically put the gay man who has sex with his friend into a romantic relationship? If I understand your definition correctly – yes, it would. “So that is a flimsy bogus obfuscation.” I agree. You seem to be doing a lot of that. -(Ran out of character room, more below)-
Ahvren, KDH NC
08/01/12 5:22 PM EST
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More Selfish Mewling!
“You also never answered the charge above: name one instance in the world where an "asexual" was beaten, killed, thrown out of a home or job or family for being "asexual".” Go to AVEN's website, go to the forums, and look around until you find the thread titled “worst responses to your asexuality”. Read it. If you need more proof, then you obviously aren't looking for an answer, you're just looking to spew your hateful rhetoric. “Answer NEVER! NOWHERE! EVER! You are not a marginalized group. You are a whining jealous bunch of nutcase losers.” You are proving asexuals are a marginalized group right now. You're right, of course. Asexuals do not get beaten, harassed, or killed nearly as much as homosexuals. Our marginalization comes from idiotic pronouncements like yours, people who deny that our feelings and our experiences are real. It comes from being called “nutcase losers” or “broken” for expressing our own sexuality. It's your attitude that pervades society and makes us want to be recognized – you don't know how many asexuals bought into your narrow definition of love and were so convinced that there was fundamentally broken about them. At least AVEN and other asexual-friendly sites are trying to get some recognition, so maybe one less person will spent 20 years in a relationship giving the other person sex just because it's 'what's expected of them'.
Ahvren, KDH NC
08/01/12 5:25 PM EST
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Your definition of love is as narrow as your ...
Quote:Nothing to do with a new invented identity for losers. Love without sex is called friendship and familial love. end Bigotry was never so clearly stated.
eib, Buffalo NY
08/01/12 10:29 PM EST
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Risky business
At the risk of being grouped with Dr. Stupide et al, there's a good point amongst the crazy. Asexuals endure problems in personal interactions, but aren't subject to slurs and assaults from random people in public, nor have been subject to legislation criminalizing their basic existence, nor denied housing, etc. I can't think of anyone who hasn't faced "idiotic pronouncements" in their lives in one arena or another, and likening yourselves to men and women (and those neat people in between) who face actual discrimination is laughable.
Dan, Toronto ON
08/02/12 9:00 AM EST
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@Dan
" and likening yourselves to men and women (and those neat people in between) who face actual discrimination is laughable." Thing is, I don't see any part where we are. There are varying degrees of discrimination. I did say that asexuals face nearly no violence, etc. But you just have to read what Dr. Stupide wrote to know that asexuals aren't exactly accepted. The whole 'who cares if you have sex or not?' idea is SUPPOSED to apply, but it doesn't. Some people clearly care (and call us broken, nutcases, losers). Is that suddenly okay and we shouldn't want any exposure because homosexuals have it a lot worse? I don't get that.
Ahvaren, KDH NC
08/02/12 10:19 AM EST
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@Dan, Again
And I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm actually wondering. Most of the insults and over-the-top-ness was for Dr. Stupide's benefit. Maybe it's cause I know someone who's been in the situation where she thought she was broken and there was no one she could reach out to. Thinking (and being told) for 20 years (that's where the year number came from in my reply to Stupide) that you're completely alone isn't something anyone should have to do, especially when it's avoidable.
Ahvaren, NC KDH
08/02/12 10:31 AM EST
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We're not prudes on parade
trying to rid the world of sexual expression or contact. Our assertion of our orientation, perspective and behavior applies only to us, and indicates no crusade in the works.
eib, Buffalo NY
08/02/12 10:47 AM EST
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Phoney Baloney Infantilism
I have been throught he entire AVEN web site and find not one example of one person who was singled out in public and beaten or killed for being asexual. I can find no examples of an asexual person being denied housing, jobs, medical treatment, human rights and personhood for being asexual. You are mimicking the LBGT struggle to pretend you have a movement (which the AVEN author says number 1,600 or so people! I would suggest a good deal of growing up need happen and the power and privilege of such a silly group of maladjusted nuts needs to be mocked, called out and exposed as the frauds and con artists you are. Last breath wasted on such idiotic infants! Asexuals = assholes. Not being sexually attracted to any human when young and healthy is a travesty and a medical problem depriving you of the joy you are withholding from yourself. Get help! Or shut up and stop talking about the fact that you don't get boners over people.
Aunty Stupide, Toronto ON
08/02/12 12:00 PM EST
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@Ahvaren
I'm not sure what else to add here. Asexuals appropriating the term queer simply doesn't sit well with me (just as ostensibly heterosexual people latching onto the term). Yes, asexuals face personal struggles and that's unfortunate. But they are not persecuted by the state, or by religions, or by, until recently, much of modern culture. Claiming otherwise is rather disrespectful to the community they're claiming to be part of.
Dan, Toronto ON
08/02/12 8:35 PM EST
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@Dan
Dan, I agree that asexuals don't even hold a candle to the social struggle of the LGBT community... but then, where exactly should they be put, and why does this devalue their desire for recognition? Recognition is good, it helps people, it builds community, it gives people something to reach out to when they're being told 'broken'. Asexuality is a sexuality (well, lack thereof... but it's in that category), and it overlaps with some of the LGBT community (there are some trans on AVEN, I think, and there's plenty of people who identify as homo- or bi-romantic)... Shutting up and going away (like what Stupide is suggesting) isn't a good option, as it kinda kills that whole recognition/community thing.
Ahvaren, KDH NC
08/02/12 9:42 PM EST
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@Stupide
Do you read your posts? I mean, really? I swear, you're practically proving me right by just sitting there and spewing insults; “silly” “maladjusted nuts” “need to be mocked” “frauds” “con artists” “idiotic infants” “assholes” and the whole 'broken, get help' response just in one short post! You're a goldmine, really. I suppose you think you addressed my question about romantic vs. sexual and romantic feelings without sexual attraction with your 'get help' statement... I'll just have to disagree with you on that, just like everything else you've said. I see you're not looking for discussion, you're just looking for a conduit for your anger or whatever the hell people 'not getting boners' makes you feel.
Ahvaren, KDH NC
08/02/12 9:45 PM EST
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such mollycoddled children
You stay right in your infantilised bubble Averyhen. Just where your mommy kept you with a lovely gold star. It's called satire, creche princess. Look it up. Sheesh what a maroon!
A S, Toronto Ontario
08/03/12 8:17 AM EST
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LOL
“You also never answered the charge above: name one instance in the world where an "asexual" was beaten, killed, thrown out of a home or job or family for being "asexual" If you weren't gay you would probably be the first one to beat asexuals up, you seem to hate us lol. It is amazing that some people being oppressed themselves fail to realize that they sometimes oppress/hate others (usually even smaller minority than the one they belong to) just for being different lol. You see the world in black and white. You are not capable of seeing other colours - and I bet you don't know why LGBT have the rainbow flag. You probably think it's because gay people are happy people and like bright colours. Rainbow colours represent different varieties of sexual expression from gays to transgender people, from a lot of sex to no sex at all i.e. the whole colour spectrum. I personally don't support the idea of asexuals participating in pride parades. And those who take part in the parade are usually LGBT asexuals. And most of them probably suffered the same way as most of sexual LGBT people did. And I think it is not a requirement nowadays to suffer or be beaten in order to earn a right to be affiliated with the LGBT movement.
Edward, Toronto Ontario
08/20/12 7:38 AM EST
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children of the revolution are all stillborn
Edward, first I came out before Gilbert Baker invented the rainbow flag in 1978 in SF so I know more about it than you ever could. Second, you must be under 30 since your world is haters or friends (the facebook infantilization syndrome). I do not hate asexuals. I believe they are whining phoneys. Fakers who are holidaying in other people's misery. Pseuds who are vampirizing the gay and trans movements for their own self-entitled kicks. No room for childish wannabe disrespectful attention-seeking fakers in any liberation movements. Capiche, infant?
AS, Toronto Ontario
08/20/12 8:15 AM EST
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LMAO
LOL @ AS, Toronto Ontario You are hilarious. You should do standups. You don't like asexuals because you think they are childish, you hate straight people because they hate you, you hate other gay people who are more masculine / feminine than you are i.e. you don't like anyone who is different from you. That's the kind of person you come across. Fakers who are holidaying in other people's misery - I am pretty sure that this is what some straight people would say about gay people. Many straight people nowadays accepted you for who and what you are even if some of them don't fully understand why people are gay or think being gay is weird. Why can't you accept others who are different from you even if you can't comprehend the reasons behind it? I pity your narrow mindedness, you call yourself part of a liberation movement but refuse to help others who want to be free.
Edward, Toronto Ontario
08/20/12 10:32 AM EST
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