Ontario PC MPP throws support behind GSAs
ONTARIO NEWS / UPDATE: Tim Hudak emails Xtra to 'clarify' Lisa MacLeod's position
Andrea Houston / National / Wednesday, May 09, 2012
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UPDATE: May 9 at 1:30pm - The office of the leader of Ontario's Progressive Conservative party emailed Xtra to clarify MPP Lisa MacLeod's position on gay-straight alliances (GSA).

Christine Bujold, press secretary for PC Leader Tim Hudak, said, "The following accurately describes MPP MacLeod's position regarding the Ontario PC Party position on Bill 13/Bill 14: 'I believe all publicly funded schools should have groups to support students. However, the Liberal bill that focuses exclusively on GSAs has proven to be divisive. I do not believe we should entrench GSAs in legislation. I never have. That is one of the reasons we oppose the Liberal bill and have moved forward with our own anti-bullying bill.'"


May 9 at 11am - The sponsor of Bill 14, the Progressive Conservative anti-bullying bill, says she has “no issue” with students forming gay-straight alliances (GSAs).

In saying this, PC MPP Lisa MacLeod has contradicted statements made by other members of her caucus.

“I personally don’t have a problem with students having clubs, and [for them to] call it whatever they want to call it, kids making that decision,” MacLeod told Xtra on May 8 at Queen’s Park. “If kids want to have a club, they should choose the name.”

MacLeod made the comment at the end of the second day of presentations at the standing committee for social policy. The committee is examining Bill 13, the Liberals' Accepting Schools Act, and Bill 14, both of which will likely be merged before third reading. Bill 14 does not mandate support for queer students, whereas Bill 13 would make it law that schools establish welcoming environments for queer youth and provide supports, such as GSAs. 
Progressive Conservative MPP Lisa MacLeod at Queen's Park.
(Andrea Houston)


For two straight days, religious groups and parents have argued strongly against GSAs, calling them “sex clubs” that promote a “radical sex education agenda.”

For more than a year, students in Catholic schools across Ontario have been asking to start GSAs, but they have been denied repeatedly. When asked whether Catholic schools should continue to be allowed to deny GSAs, MacLeod says she supports students.

“Far be it for me to tell [Catholic schools] what to do, because they are protected under the constitution. That’s also important,” she adds. “I don’t think anyone wants to deny students the ability to go to groups. Jamie Hubley wanted to start a Rainbow club. Kids should be able to have clubs, and I personally think they should choose the name themselves.”

For NDP MPP Peter Tabuns, who also sits on the committee, MacLeod’s comments were unexpected. “I’m surprised and pleased.”
NDP MPPs Cheri DiNovo and Peter Tabuns listen to presentations during day two of committee hearings for Bill 13 and Bill 14 at Queen's Park May 8.
(Andrea Houston)


Many PC MPPs have spoken out strongly against GSAs, and just last week, a Liberal MPP told Xtra that PC whip John Yakabuski yelled, "No to GSAs" in the legislature after Bill 13 passed second reading. MacLeod then joined her caucus to vote unanimously against Bill 13.

At the anti-GSA rally held at Queen’s Park in March, PC MPP Rick Nicholls told protesters that he is “a believer” who thinks people should “hate the sin, but love the sinner.” He also says he strongly supports Bill 14, not Bill 13. “There are far-reaching repercussions if Bill 13 is passed because it’s just one agenda after another after another,” Nicholls said. 

Tabuns wouldn’t speculate as to whether MacLeod’s comments could affect the outcome of the legislation.

“There is certainly a lot more to Bill 13 than that one section on GSAs, although that has been the most contentious,” he says. “There are some people [within the PC party] who are vehemently opposed to GSAs.”

MacLeod, who distanced herself from many of the statements made by religious speakers, says public hearings often shape legislation, and changes may be made by MPPs based on presentations. “People have been coming and sharing their views. I grew up in the Maritimes, so I was taught very early on that you respect, but not necessarily accept, other people’s views.”
Presenter Ulma Lee, from the Rose of Sharon Mission, holds up the "Don't Confuse Me" ads that ran in the National Post and Toronto Sun during the provincial election in the fall.
(Andrea Houston)


During the first day of presentations, about 20 religious groups and parents told the committee that Bill 13 will “promote the gay lifestyle” and called GSAs a “radical sex education curriculum.”

Tabuns, who has been challenging presenters with questions, says he is growing increasingly concerned with the misinformation and complete lack of understanding of Bill 13, most glaringly where GSAs are concerned.

Those opposed to Bill 13, some of whom admit they haven’t read the legislation, seem to be under the mistaken impression that GSAs will be forced on students.

At one point during committee, evangelical Christian presenter Iris Jones wept and likened Bill 13 to the Holocaust. Another presenter, Lynn Jackson, from the Network of Families' Concern, called the legislation “the new residential school policy.” Judy Nuttall, from Citizens Addressing Sexual Exploitation, said children would be exposed to pornography if the bill is passed.

Linda Beaudoin, a sexual abuse survivor, told the committee, "Sex clubs should not be in schools."

Ulma Lee, from the Rose of Sharon Mission, held up the "Don't Confuse Me" ads from the Institute for Canadian Values that appeared in the National Post and Toronto Sun during the Ontario election campaign in the fall. At the time queer activists and education advocates called the ads transphobic and misleading.

“It can be emotionally very difficult,” Tabuns says. “I think a number of us have been really shocked at the misunderstanding at these meetings [about] what’s really going on. That’s one of the reasons we have been asking people, ‘Where in the bill do you find these things about sex?’ There must be a lot of people out there spreading a lot of misinformation.”
 
Committee hearings continue at Queen's Park May 14 and 15, then in Ottawa on May 24. For those interested in reading Bill 13, the legislation can be found here. 

On Saturday, May 12, members of the Ontario GSA Coalition are planning a 1pm rally at Queen’s Park to show support for Bill 13.


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Reader Comments


 
Fight until we get a political smokescreen!
The issue isn't about allowing GSAs. It's about enforcing the existence of these clubs in areas (i.e. schools) where the “gay lifestyle” is truthfully and openly talked about as unhealthy and harmful to society. GSAs in university use language such as "sex positive" to "celebrate differences" in sexual behaviour. That means if openly talk about how you’re not okay with HIV positive people failing to disclose their serostatuses to sexual partners (even if someone gave you HIV), then you've just been labelled "not sex positive" and you’re treated with the term “hate”. You’re socially isolated. No kid wants to be labelled that way. Why are politicians, such as Lisa McLeod, failing to look at the real issue here? She knows what people are talking about. She just cares about getting re-elected. Gotta love her alliance with Stuntman Stu, who recently said he was notified by his MPP Lisa McLeod that he was getting a Queen’s Medal. Looks like he’s scratching her back and she’s scatching his.
Rej, Ottawa Ontario
05/09/12 12:08 PM EST
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Who is using a smokescreen?
What is "the gay lifestyle", Rej? Gay people live many different ways, and have sex many different ways. It's someone's identity whether having sex or not. Being sex positive does not necessarily mean you don't support full disclosure about a person's sexual past and disease status. In fact, being sex positive may encourage someone to be more informed, educated, and discriminating, and careful regarding potential partners, before acting. At any rate it's a separate issue because being gay is not synonomous with being HIV-positive nor with acting a certain way with regard to that status. Joining GSAs is also voluntary. Is there any proof that they are even using the term "sex positive" at the highschool level? It doesn't sound like a bad thing if it opens up discussion about safety, self-esttem, empowerment, etc. A negative attitude prevents talking about it and thus, vital education.
Clint, Thunder Bay ON
05/09/12 3:33 PM EST
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Deja vu?
After the previous L. MacLeod's flip-floppin-failure, I doubt this one wants to follow suit. So, I'm going to take the words she actually said at face value, not what someone else's press secretary said. But she needs to respond to that press secretary's attack on her credibility.
Randy, Windsor ON
05/10/12 1:11 AM EST
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note from a spiritual helper
Dear Lord Jesus Christ: please forgive these bad politicians who care only about their own popularity and alliances with the media to get re-elected. The majority of Canadians–the silent majority–do not want the gay lifestyle in our schools. Children are easily influenced by each other's behaviour. Homosexuality is not an identity in the manner being Black, Jewish, Native, white or a woman is an identity. True, the gay and lesbian population is diverse. But lobbyists pushing for this kind of destructive legislation come from only a few groups (i.e. the few people working at this “newspaper”, AIDS groups, EGALE and groups trying to change HIV disclosure laws so people don’t have to disclose their HIV statuses). These few people are lying to the public to achieve their own means. Christians who do not want their children exposed to the eventual socialization and normalization of HIV are not fear-mongers, which the few corrupt groups listed above would tell the public they are. For example, Alan Hubley—the Ottawa City councillor whose gay son committed suicide last year—repeatedly said he did not want his son’s name being used in vain for this vile political agenda. These homosexual activist groups have no problem lying and deceiving the public because they feel the public has wronged them for far these too long. But that is far from the truth. Now, these wicked people realize they must appeal to other groups in order to push the “gay lifestyle" on innocent children, something that is destructive to society as a whole. These small numbers of people have used sophisticated techniques to destroy Christianity—committing blasphemy and deicide. We as Christians and general should no longer be forgiving of these corrupt organizations because they do not want God’s love. Children will always be mean to a select few children. The legislation proposed by these corrupt governments cannot change that. But we as spiritually healthy people can stand up to this evil. T
A spiritual helper, Vancouver BC
05/10/12 12:47 PM EST
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note from a spiritual helper
Dear Lord Jesus Christ: please forgive these bad politicians who care only about their own popularity and alliances with the media to get re-elected. The majority of Canadians–the silent majority–do not want the gay lifestyle in our schools. Children are easily influenced by each other's behaviour. Homosexuality is not an identity in the manner being Black, Jewish, Native, white or a woman is an identity. True, the gay and lesbian population is diverse. But lobbyists pushing for this kind of destructive legislation come from only a few groups (i.e. the few people working at this “newspaper”, AIDS groups, EGALE and groups trying to change HIV disclosure laws so people don’t have to disclose their HIV statuses). These few people are lying to the public to achieve their own means. Christians who do not want their children exposed to the eventual socialization and normalization of HIV are not fear-mongers, which the few corrupt groups listed above would tell the public they are. For example, Alan Hubley—the Ottawa City councillor whose gay son committed suicide last year—repeatedly said he did not want his son’s name being used in vain for this vile political agenda. These homosexual activist groups have no problem lying and deceiving the public because they feel the public has wronged them for far these too long. But that is far from the truth. Now, these wicked people realize they must appeal to other groups in order to push the “gay lifestyle" on innocent children, something that is destructive to society as a whole. These small numbers of people have used sophisticated techniques to destroy Christianity—committing blasphemy and deicide. We as Christians and general should no longer be forgiving of these corrupt organizations because they do not want God’s love. Children will always be mean to a select few children. The legislation proposed by these corrupt governments cannot change that. But we as spiritually healthy people can stand up to this evil. T
A spiritual helper, Vancouver BC
05/11/12 9:09 AM EST
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This is NOT an LGBT Issue.
This is NOT an LGBT Issue.This is NOT an LGBT Issue.This is NOT an LGBT Issue.This is NOT an LGBT Issue.This is NOT an LGBT Issue.This is NOT an LGBT Issue.
Chris, Toronto ON
05/12/12 9:27 AM EST
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Give Chris a gold star!
He knows how to copy and paste!
Spelling Bitch, Toronto ON
05/12/12 9:34 AM EST
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unalienable rights: belief+expression+association
Hon Laurel C. Broten, Ontario Minister of Education, Hon Andrea Horwath, New Democratic Party of Ontario, Dear Ministers. I have read Bill 13 and I believe it to be a fine document. I have also been reading about the religious opposition to Bill 13. I do not understand why religious people need to be consulted about a bill on bullying and human rights. Why is there need for stall tactics on this bill while LGBT students are suffering and committing suicide at the hands of bigots, who are supported by religious ideologies. The fact that Same Sex Marriage is legal in Canada trumps all arguments about whether Gay/Lesbian life and /or lifestyle is "moral" or not, based on religious ideologies. LGBT people are free, legal, and equal citizens of Canada (and Ontario). That is the only valid argument. Free and equal citizens of a Democratic country have unalienable rights of belief, expression and association. This trumps all religious arguments, dogma, bigotry, by Catholic Bishops, Rabbis, Imams, etc. Please collaborate to pass this important Bill. Thankyou
Chas, Toronto Ont
05/12/12 5:04 PM EST
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Hey Chas....
It is f'd up, no doubt about it. But you might reconsider what kind of Country you think you're actually living in. Once done, then you'll see how your question is answered by the slightest bit of awareness to one's surroundings. And yes Chas it is as bad as all that.
Perspective, Toronto ON
05/14/12 12:08 AM EST
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