Joyful, messy, chaotic: big love for free speech at Toronto Pride
SOD'S OPERA / A first-person account of marching with the yellow and pink
Marcus McCann / National / Monday, July 05, 2010
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Under the scorching sun, in the glaring eye of the straight media, with a million of our closest friends watching live from Yonge St, the city of Toronto pulled off a tiny miracle of civility, joyfulness and downright gaiety.

From my vantage point at the front of the Pride Coalition for Free Speech contingent — the group with the yellow and pink signs — the parade was a love-in. As sunscreen-infused sweat dripped down my forehead, we chanted, over and over, "We're sexy. We're hot. Censorship is not." I wore a yellow marshal T-shirt with the softest free-speech slogan I could conjure: "Talk to me like lovers do."

We danced. We chanted. We even sang "Stand By Me." As we made our way down Yonge, those on the sidelines clapped and grinned. There was roaring applause for us just before Wellesley. For a few blocks, spectators chanted along with our call-and-answer, “4-3-2-1. Free speech is for everyone.”

A little more than two weeks earlier, I became an unlikely organizer of the Pride Coalition for Free Speech's parade contingent. At an evening meeting at Ryerson University, the consensus from 80-odd Coalition volunteers was: we want to march in the Pride Toronto parade. But none of the existing leadership had the energy to take the project on. So a group of 10 volunteers and I struck a committee. Planning began in earnest immediately. I also became a part of the Coalition’s safety-and-security crew. Along the way, I changed the email signature on my personal account to "PS: Do you have a megaphone I can borrow on July 4?"

The Pride Coalition for Free Speech's contingent in the Toronto Pride parade.
(Matt Mills photo)



Parade day started out calmly enough, as a small group Pride Coalition volunteers ferried 750 signs, 450 sticks, cardboard, paint, markers and two much-in-demand staple guns to George Hislop parkette at 11 in the morning. Blockorama had agreed to let us use a patch of grass to assemble both ourselves and our signs.

The mood was convivial. Some quietly sipped coffees while others inked signs, altered T-shirts and practised songs on their guitars. Yawns gave way to clapping as the first group of about 80 left for the parade's staging area on Bloor St.

They took piles of signs — most saying simply “My Pride includes free speech” to distribute to other groups, many of which had asked for them in advance. I waved them off, staying behind at Hislop to direct stragglers and clean up.

Shortly before 2pm, I headed over to Bloor St with another organizer and two armloads of signs. Walking up Church St, we got a call: "Something's going on here. Can you please come?"

Xtra managing editor Marcus McCann helped plan the Coalition's parade contingent.
(Matt Mills photo)
The Coalition marched directly in front of Queers Against Israeli Apartheid; in the staging area the two groups milled around together. Many in the Coalition have no position on the Middle East — or have opinions that diverged from QuAIA’s. But the coalition was formed out of opposition to QuAIA’s ouster, so there were good vibes between the two groups.

We picked up the pace. The call turned out to be related to a skirmish with hecklers. It was heated but non-violent. Those who were waiting to march didn’t engage, and volunteers who had been trained in de-escalation stepped in.

After the initial altercation, the Coalition's safety crew fanned out along the parameter of the contingent to keep an eye out for more trouble. About five groups of nay-sayers came to visit us in the staging area — mostly just to scope us out — and they kept a respectful distance.

As the free speechers finally inched into the parade shortly before 4pm, the safety crew began scanning the crowd to see if there were any more troublemakers. There weren’t any; by halfway through, the safety crew was more concerned with keeping the chants alive than anything else.

I arrived at the end of the parade route around 5pm, exhausted but happy. Volunteers collapsed on the sidewalk beside piles of the pink and yellow; one rad dyke energetically humped the signs on the curb. We downed bottles of water and surveyed our sunburns. Gradually, folks dispersed to look after their aching bodies. Even as I type this, my fingers are slick with a second drenching of moisturizer.

Toronto gave big love for free speech; what a joyful expression of queerness. Happy Pride, everyone.

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lovely
It was a remarkable experience for me. Thanks to Xtra for its solid support and energy. Best photo is Marcus holding the sign! Should be on the cover of a magazine ;) Best Pride EVAH!
roy, toronto ON
07/05/10 10:52 AM EST
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hypocrites!
Great we have free speech in Pride! Did even one group use this free speech to speak for the abuse of gay rights across the world? NO! It was only used for HATE SPEECH! shame! Does anyone care about gay rights anymore?
Queero, Toronto ontario
07/05/10 11:14 AM EST
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Queero
Why don't you start your own group instead of telling people what to do? The whole premise of free speech is that we get to talk about whatever we want to. I hope you had as great a Pride as the rest of us!
Sean, Toronto Ontario
07/05/10 12:06 PM EST
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Queero, probable loser
Queero, if you *truly* think something you saw qualified as hate speech, take it to the fucking police instead of whining about it here. Seriously. More likely, however, you're panties are in a twist because you clearly think that only speech *you* agree with is acceptable. Grow the fuck up. (P.S. Israeli Apartheid)
Dan, Toronto ON
07/05/10 12:18 PM EST
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to Queero
Queero, I was in the march so I can't tell you for sure, but usually in the parade there is a large contingent from Amnesty International that does exactly what you say. You can't hold 50 signs at once....some of us chose to hold signs supporting free speech, others chose to hold signs about other human rights issues, others chose to hold signs about how hot and single they are. That doesn't mean that those of us holding the free speech signs don't support human rights, or aren't hot and single! [can anyone verify if Amnesty was in the parade this year? they've been there every other time i've watched, but since i was marching i of course couldn't watch....]
gidget, toronto ontario
07/05/10 12:55 PM EST
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Hate Speech?
Where? When? I didn't hear anything like that.
What?, Toronto Ontario
07/05/10 1:46 PM EST
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Photos
Just wanna share some of my photos of my first Pride Parade. http://alainsojourner.typepad.com/blog/2010/07/my-first-pride.html It was fun.
Alain, Toronto ON
07/05/10 1:47 PM EST
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You mean like this, Queero?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ newtron/2797622623/ Next time, you might actually want to watch the parade before you whine about it.
David D., Toronto Ontario
07/05/10 2:00 PM EST
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Not working
David, that link is inactive. I'd like to see what you shot.
Alex, Toronto ON
07/05/10 4:04 PM EST
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Link from Dave
You just have to delete the space in the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/newtron/2797622623/
gidget, toronto ontario
07/05/10 4:20 PM EST
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cops helped us a lot too to keep the peace
Good writing But you left out one key point. The cops assigned to keep the peace near us helped us (marshals) a greta deal by ordering the potential Pro_Israeli trouble-makers away from our staging area. I saw the cops do this at eat five times. The police did a very good job--so let's not be reluctant to give them the credit due them especially after all the over-demonizing of Bill Blair in the past week. (there was very bad cop action last Sunday & Monday but that was a unique (bad) policing event orchestrated by???)
james dubro, toronto ontario
07/05/10 5:44 PM EST
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James... you remind me
I do have a bit of an anti-cop general feeling and the G20 was a bit of a shock to me, and the city, as many people I know ended up bruised over it and people who I don't know ended up arrested for no reason. I am amazed that they couldn't arrest the black block but then went after peaceful protesters. However, you remind me that I have had mixed experiences with them. That, for $1.2 billion is a louzy return for our money. That said, a lot of those cops weren't from Toronto. No that I am a big fan of Toronto cops but at least they have more experience with our communities and our protestors. I am glad they were there to keep any violent people away from QuAIA.
Tam, Toronto Ontario
07/05/10 6:10 PM EST
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james
james, your posting is possibly a little misrepresentavive regarding the police "keeping 400 pro Israeli, huge and very succesful contigent" that marched for their free speech. They had The police prescence was protecting that huge, huge contigent at the verbal anti Israeli "free speech" coming from the anti israeli contigent. This controversy unified parts of the Jewish community that never marched, and quited supported their jewish LGBT community. We were strong, growing, and proud more then anytime in prvious Prides. Our messegaging will always counter balance the anti Israeli and Jewish hate speech that the groups of queers want to stand by. The police were amazing, and in abundance offering extra needed protactection, and checking in continuously. The support from politicians, and a large number of amazing police officers was/ is greatly appreciated. We build some great bridges, as many police officers said to me personally, "why dont they protest muslim and islamic violence against LGBT persons in the middle east. I said, "Im sure quaia cares, but their first agenda is to persecute the nation of Israel for protecting it self." The police officers that offered us continuous support and protection. were enlightened to the true issues, and the demonzation of Israel. Most think this claim is the joke of the century. See you in the crowds next Pride! It was fabulous. Thank you to the hundreds that bought t-shirts and Israeli/canadian flags at the Kulanu booth.
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/05/10 6:52 PM EST
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went very well
I thought the parade went very well, everyone got to say their piece and peace was maintained during the parade so all could enjoy it. Jamie if you believe you saw or heard hate speech its your civic duty to report it to the police so that it can be dealt with appropriately, yet I suspect you know full well QuAIA never used any sort of hate speech and aren't even anti-Israel but still want to pretend that those with differing opinions about Israel than you are somehow dangerous and threatening, did anyone from QuAIA do anything to hassle or threaten or bother the pro-Israel group? nope, not at all, not even a little bit but the same can't be said for the anti-QuAIA members of the pro-Israel contingent, well they tried to hassle QuAIA anyways, luckily the cops were there to stop them and prevent them from doing so, just like last year when the only problems also came from anti-QuAIA people who resorted to violence to express their disagreement with them. I'm surprised the pro-Israel group embraced the JDL as openly as they did considering their American chapter is considered a terrorist organization by the FBI, and from what I've heard it was JDL members causing a lot of the little disturbances while trying to get at QuAIA. Regardless it went over well and all involved seemed to be happy and considering how large the pro-Israel contingent was hopefully we won't hear more of the ridiculous claim QuAIA's presence makes pro-Israel Jews feel too unsafe to attend Pride since that obviously wasn't the case at all. I got to say though I did take issue with the banner claiming Israel was a world leader in gay rights when gays can't even marry there, its a regional leader in gay rights but not a world leader, that distinction belongs to countries like Canada where legally LGBT folks are treated the exact same as heteros.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/05/10 7:31 PM EST
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James
James I usually agree with pretty much all you have to say but I got to disagree with you on Blair being "over-demonized", from all accounts he was the one in charge of the all the police that weekend so he's the one responsible for giving the orders to do nothing while the vandals rampaged and then gave the orders to ignore the Charter rights of anyone within miles of the G20 by conducting countless illegal search and seizures and the one who gave the orders to arrest everyone present when they kettled the population in a couple areas. If Blair had been over demonized he'd be facing criminal charges right now and sitting in a jail cell refused bail instead of sitting pretty with all refusing to hold an inquiry into his massive failings as chief of police, does he have dirt on all our politicians? I got to wonder because I don't know why else an independent inquiry into police actions hasn't been called yet, unless perhaps all 3 levels of gov't know they'd be somehow implicated in that mess. The front line cops aren't to blame for what happened, those who gave them their marching orders are however and the top order giver was Blair and no one else, he deserved every bit of discomfort he got this week and far more.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
07/05/10 7:42 PM EST
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@Rich
Yes, we now have the JDL marching in the parade. That is what happens when the toxic politics of the middle east are injected into the Pride parade. Get used to it. You wanted free speech now you have it. Now that the barn door is open, it will interesting to see which groups apply to march next year.
Don, Toronto Ontario
07/05/10 7:47 PM EST
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Cops do have to be held to account by independent
@ Rich Blair has not been demonized by his supporters --including the TSPB Chair Alok Murherjee and progressive members of council who sit on the TPSB like Pam McConnell and Adam Vaughan. Or by the people of Toronto who overwhelmingly support him and the police actions. I agree that an independent inquiry is essential as many of the cop over-reactions were wrong, undemocratic & repugnant. And if Blair gave those orders, he shld be called to account. So we don't disagree as much as you think. We need to know who gave the orders to box in and arrest demonstrators on Sunday (And other grim cop over-reactions during the summit).. And we also need to know more about how the violent anarchists got away with so much trashing and mayhem on Saturday. These are questions the INdependent Inquiry shld look into. @Jaimie--At no time did our Pride coalition members or QUAIA members taunt or bother pro- Israeli marchers during the staging area wait as did continuously the pro-Israeli demonstrators coming over to our area only to be told each time to leave by police. It appears the cops did a good job from both perspectives. And free speech was maintained and a good time was had by all. I'd call that a very good result of this 2010 Pride march.
james dubro, toronto Ontario
07/05/10 8:38 PM EST
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Jamie... a little reality please?
You say the police offered you "extra needed protection"? Protection from what? No one from QuAIA and no Palestine supporter so much as ventured near the pro-Israel contingent and you know it. The police mostly ignored us (QuAIA and the free speech coalition) as we were getting ready to march, until some of the pro-Israel members came over and chose to stand right in the middle of our contingent, holding their flags. Some of them were with the JDL but not all of them. Why they feel the need to do this is beyond me... but obviously they were hoping to provoke a confrontation or even violence. Of course no one in QuAIA is interested in such a confrontation so nothing happened... we just called the police over who stood by until the pro-Israel people left (we did get it on camera though). But I have to ask... how would you react Jamie if a QuAIA member came over and stood in the middle of the Kulanu contingent holding a Palestinian flag? Please answer this question. Cause I have a feeling you'd go pretty apeshit if the shoe was on the other foot. (although actually only two or three people in our group had flags in any case... our focus is human rights rather than nationalism) In fact, I said to the police at one point "Can you get these guys out of here? You realize that no one from our group is interested in a confrontation. None of us would go to over to their contingent and try to start something." to which he replied "Yeah I get that, but we're just gonna stand by and watch until these guys [the JDL people] actually do something." And just for the record, there was only one actual act of violence related to this over the weekend... that was after the trans march on Friday when an angry Israel supporter (woman) threw coke on three of my female friends and hit one of them in the face with the cup. They decided not to press charges but it was reported and the police have it on record.
Sav., Toronto ON
07/05/10 9:49 PM EST
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Billy
On the subject of Blair, James I have to go with Rich on this one... it's becoming apparent that queers were mistreated during the G20 lockups. For one thing, gays and lesbians _somehow_ ended up in segregated, gay-only cages... with plenty of taunts and insults to boot. Ironically however, the word is that trans women for some reason were forced to be in the cages with men. wtf?? And I was at the 519 when a group of queer activists tried to voice these concerns to the police last week... Blair openly taunted us, making clear he didn't give a shit about our concerns or addressing the treatment of queers in their detention centers.
Sav., Toronto ON
07/05/10 10:04 PM EST
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Bullies, aggressors
@don, @Jamie. Let's be honest who the bullies and aggressors here are - and it ain't QuAIA. Pro-Israeli groups have been the ones claiming QuAIA are jew-haters and liken their protest against Israel's domestic policies in the occupied territories to calls for the extermination of the Israeli state. That is clearly false. JDL especially has no place in Pride, and ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO MARCH, since they are not an LGBT group or supportive of the LGBT community. Any group that refers to the LGBT community as "Sodomite Communists" (see http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/boycott-pride-toronto/) and calls for violent confrontation with people peacefully expressing perfectly legal speech (not HATE speech, no matter how hard you wish it to be) has no place in the parade. These pro-Israeli groups aligning against QuAIA and the broader LGBT community are the true enemy: they are the ones trying to stifle legitimate free speech and smearing and bullying anyone who disagrees with their limited worldview.
Dan, Toronto ON
07/06/10 8:06 AM EST
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Bullies, aggressors
@Dan, I don't excuse many of the ramblings of the Jewish Defense League, but it is hardly fair to accuse those who marched in the parade with the pro-Israel group of being violent hate-mongers themselves. They looked pretty peaceful to me. What's this about some not being eligible to march based on their associations?? What happened to the Free Speech Coalition?? What happened to hating censorship?? If you're going to smear the entire jewish presence at Pride as being homophobic based on something some random person said, I'd encourage you to check out the views of the muslim lobby aligned with the Anti-Israeli Apartheid movement. Usually the ones shouting 'Viva Viva Intifada' aren't so supportive of sexual diversity. Try the shoe on the other foot.
Ryan, Toronto ON
07/06/10 8:32 AM EST
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when the left left us
It made me happy to see the Bolsheviks there, though they were few. It reminded me of the 80s and 90s when the left (and more importantly, the far left) still came out in full force before pulling out (prematurely) when Pride went further down its road of corporate sponsorship. I hope this and the Pride Coalition for Free Speech are a sign that we are heading back to Pride being a political celebration. Of course, we are still queers and no matter how political it becomes there will still be drag queens, naked men, leather daddies and bears and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Ryan, Etobicoke Ontario
07/06/10 9:26 AM EST
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Blair not a homophobe' cops need to be held accoun
I agree with you Sav..And if those things happened they shld be looked at by the independent inquiry to be announced today bu the TPSB. I don't think Blair was contemptuous of gays at 519--after all it was his party for LGBT Pride--and many gay leaders were with him upstairs including Doug Eliott, Chris Huspeth, Ken Chan, Kyle Rae, etc)> His unfortunate remark about not really wanting to know what was on mind of the protestors was more of a poor throw away line--smirky & insensitive (but he was be booed and yelled at) but not anti-gay in itself. Blair is a symbol of the over-reaction by cops at the summit and he and the police shld be held accountable. I think we all agree on that. But Blair is not a homophobe--that is disingenuous claptrap. He is and has always been very pro LGBT community communication and liaison and he has Rev Hawkes on his inner circle of advisers.
james dubro, toronto Ontario
07/06/10 9:33 AM EST
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police chief
I certainly wouldn't consider the TPSB to be independent. And just because he participates in positive PR for himself doesn't make him pro-gay. He is much more than a symbol of the over-reaction of the cops, he is the police chief. His "smirky & insensitive" comment at the 519 reminded me of his smirky comment where he admitted there was no 5m rule but he had to "keep the criminals away". I was proud to see the response of the queer community this year. We defended free speech, supported the re-politicization of pride and stood up against the bigoted police chief who tried to come in to our community and pink-wash the horrors of the past week. It was the strength of that response that kept him out of the parade, and I hope the police chief never again marches with us.
Ashley, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 10:14 AM EST
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Blair not a"bigot!!
@Ashley. No the TPSB is not independent at all--but they can appoint a truly independent inquiry. Blair came to Pride (and MCC) as a matter of respect to the LGBT community (first chief to do so). The LGBT community (overall) did indeed do great things this year--but it is a very large tent. And few wld call him a "bigoted" police chief. That is narrow-minded and inaccurate (Remember he is not Fantino as he once told me...). In any case the cops were polite, cheerful and helpful on Pride Day even with our Pride Coalition Free Speech group. Let's not be totally negative. We shld strive to be fair and balanced. All is not as black and white as a few anti-police radicals think. (I have worked with him for 12 years as an elected member--by the Church Wellesley community in public meetings-- of various cop/LGBT and local liaison committees and have known him well for 20 years--He is no bigot! )
james dubro, toronto ontario
07/06/10 10:36 AM EST
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sav , Tam
Sav ,First were were provoked by people who support your groups. The police came to us on a recogular basis asking us what the could do to help us feel secure. To suggest as usually , false information that it was thePro israeli, just wondered over, with no provocation to stand with your group looking for a fight, is a made up rumour, manipulation of the media. Hopefully, people who were hanging out with us, not selling israeli flags and teacchers, will be able to tell or write their experince with the free speech , and quaia contigent. But, most of them, showed up to support the Jewish Lgbt community and show and celebrate that Israel is the only middle eastern country that supports gay rights. Your attempt to demonize the Jdl, men who on a monthly basis have to protect jewish synagogues and cemetaries that are vandelized by anti israeli groups on a regular basis. They have a right ti make their prescence known and protect the same threats of the possbility of vandels making good on their their threats at the parade to confront the pro israeli side. You are a perfect example of onesisded views in the media to dowm play what really happenen. Although xtra likes to stand with the majority of anti Israeli and free speechers paving the way for Quaias hate speech, other papers, with a broader reader based have shown the truth, with out making up altercations that never existed. I am a very proud Jewish Lgbt supporter, and what I can tell you that this controversy has the majority of the straight community looking on who already think gay people and their extremists are ludcrious as the have so much rights and freedom in our City. Many think the politics is just another way to try and get media coverage as they are a bunch or narrassitic, vain, selfish people , who love division. I can't disagree with them. as sex and politics done run their life, and they never cared who did one in the bedroom but theirs.
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 10:45 AM EST
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personal vs. professional
@james The phrase "bigoted police chief" is important. Whether or not he is a nice guy to sit across the table from, he has shown himself through his actions as police chief to be bigoted, the most clear example of this being his leadership in the past few weeks as he violently silenced peaceful protest. It was not a good week to be a 20-something in Toronto. Many people were arrested while walking down the street because they "looked like protesters". To say this is the actions of a few horrible cops does not match what was seen on the streets of Toronto (when dealing with the consistent actions of 10 000 police acting in formation as riot cops, how does that idea make any sense whatsoever?) and is a very convenient and easy way to dismiss systemic issues. People (protesters and non-protesters) and media were violently attacked and arrested the entire week before the G20 but most notably at the demonstration on Friday (before any of this Black Bloc violence you speak of) where several cameramen were attacked and a deaf black man was beaten and arrested for not listening to the police. Hundreds of people were searched and IDed illegally while walking down the street and in public parks. I was beaten and then released without charge for walking down Spadina, I have a concussion and permanent back damage and there are at least 1000 more stories that are worse than that. Using the phrase "over-demonizing" is an extreme oversight on your part. Hundreds of people are still being detained without bail hearings (this is illegal) and are being released with illegal bail conditions. It is not that there were a few unfortunate incidences, the fundamental rights that were taken away then are still being taken away now. If he actually cared about the law, and not repression, he would've ended that already.
Ashley, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 11:15 AM EST
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Provoked?
Jamie, You have proven over and over again that you live in fantasy land and have no problems inventing things to add to your fantasy land. Unfortunately, it isn't a nice fantasy land you have created but a paranoid delusional and anti-sociable one. Jamie, you are a proud LGBT supporter? Have you ever marched with us before QuAIA appeared? The JDL said they were going to combat hamasphrodites... so yes, they are a bunch of bigots.
Tam, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 11:24 AM EST
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Independent inquiry neces but also cont'd liasion
Ashley-- Some of what you say is true and shld be investigated by an independent inquiry ASAP. Thanks for making such strong statements of principle. But to blame all of the alleged police brutality and false arrests on Bill Blair is simplistic. It was Stephen Harper who organized a summit in downtown Toronto. It was an integrated RCMP-OPP-_Toronto police force that allegedly ran amuck. It was an extremely unusual situation for Toronto and for Toronto police. I demonstrated too and saw some of the nasty looking and acting riot squad in formation on last Saturday. They seemed to have gone much further in brutality and inappropriate arrests on Sunday and Monday (as well as Friday) But we have moved a long way from the police actions of 1981 against gay people in steam baths. We (the cops and the LGBT community generally) don't want to go back to that acrimony and that very bad place of almost 30 years ago. Let's see what happened here--independently--and move forward (not backward). Theer are several levels of LGBT and cop liaison today--from the openly gay liaison officer (Tom Deker) to the LGBT Police Liaision committee which meets regularly with Chief Supt Jeff Maguire to gay members of the Chief's inner council including Brent Hawkes. These are not just social events/groupd but meant for in depth dicussion and resolution of issues and problems between LGBT community and police. Let's continue to move forward with two way communication and civilized dialogue and not name-calling. And I repeat that Blair (neither publicaly or personally) is not a bigot. Progressive Councillor Pam McConnell could not have suppported him for years if he was such as you describe (not that the TPSB is impartial in regards to the Chief).
james dubro, toronto ontario
07/06/10 11:48 AM EST
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definitions
What I said about Bill Blair does not then imply that others are not responsible. And indeed, I believe that there are other bodies (such as various levels of the government) that are more responsible. To dismiss something as name-calling shows more about your perspective on this than mine. Words have definitions and, when that definition applies, that word should be used. Using a word that is critical is not akin to name-calling (see: apartheid).
Ashley, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 12:04 PM EST
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tam
Tam, Aren't you getting frighteningly desparate. There us nothing Anti social about me, I marched and supported the LGBT pro Israeli contingent over 500 strong, in our free speech parade, and I am prouder then ever in that reality. I witnessed, lies being made up against the few Jdl supporters that marched peacefully in support of Israel, and the democracy that israel cherishes that offers Gay rights through the Knesset to all Israeli citizens, israeli and Arab. You are such a desparately angry, and neurotic person who is trying hard to look for a loop whole in plain dialogue to skew hate. Wether you are my gay Arab brother or Sister, let me offer to pay for some of your medication that needs to definately be adjusted. Tam I am certain, although this is your alias I talked you down from a ledge once. Really, Israeli, and LGBT Jewish people want to help you. In turn, we are willing to take you on a tour of the many Jewish cemetaries and synagogues that are vandelised by Jewish hate groups excercising their right to freedom of speech. We will be making documentaries, that to Quaia and the free speech movement for supporting our right to educate and to our free speech. Since you are a peace loving LGBT non anti semetic person, can we get your reaction as we speak to the families that had the head stones of their grand parents spray painted with Anti Israeli hate language. If you eve decide to stop hiding behind your a.a name in this post., I would like to personally thank you and shake your hand for helping to unify the larger Jewish community to the Larger LGBT community. This controversy is a blessing for growth and unity everywhere.
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 12:21 PM EST
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lol @ Jamie
"I would like to personally thank you and shake your hand for helping to unify the larger Jewish community to the Larger LGBT community." HAHAHA!! Right, because when the Simon Wiesenthal center, the CJC and B'nai Brith align themselves with radical homophobe Giorgio Mammoliti and his friends that are trying to defund Pride, I'm sure that the LGBT community of Toronto will fall in love with Israel forever! Oh and don't bother to tell me you had Kyle Rae on your side, who does he have any credibility with anymore? At the 519 last week he was booed vociferously. And once again, I want to thank you for inviting the homophobic racist JDL to our parade... that is a group every queer wants to just run and up and give them a big smooch on the mouth... I'm sure they wouldn't mind that one bit!
Sav., Toronto ON
07/06/10 12:54 PM EST
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tam, finally...
tam, thanks for quaoting me. Kyle Rae introduced himself to me personally, and had the support of 500 new friends at the parade. The people who trashed cheif Bill Blair, Kyle Rae. and any politicians who doesnt want public tax dollars to promote Israeli racism, considering Israeli criminalized the murdering of any Lgbt person in the Jewish State. Is rael is laughing as well as most non Jews in Toronto at the Quaia issue when all surrounding neighboring countries of Israel in the middle east, are arrestesting, torturing, and murdering their own LGBT born citizens. Thank God for the good men in the JDL here in toronto that have cleaned up thousands of anti israeli slogans in descrated Jewish cemetaries and synagogues here in Toronto. They are keeping their eye out for these vandels, and will safely turn then over to the police. They also, have a right to be anywhere in our city and fesivities, where jewish people have been threatened for holding an Israeli flag. The threat is always there. Thank you to all the Police officers, city councilors, particularly our friend Kyle Rae, and the many Llarger Jewish community that never came out in the past to support their Jewish LGBT allies. We will become more unified, with the more the anti Israeli contingent grows. Shalom/ Peace to all in your causes.
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 1:08 PM EST
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no need to argue further w Jamie
There's no need to further need for any of us on this thread to argue with Jamie. She has now thoroughly discredited herself.
Sav., Toronto ON
07/06/10 1:18 PM EST
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sav
Sav, last post was meant for you, or your other aka tam. wether you are one in the same, or not. Cheers! P.s remember the offer to take you to a good Jewish doctor to adjust your medication and support you, will be my pleasure.
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 1:19 PM EST
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Oh Ryan, overreaching
@Ryan. Stop putting words in my mouth. Especially lies. I clearly was referring specifically to the JDL, who advocated violent confrontation at the parade, not any other groups. As for who can and cannot march.. Pride Toronto rules are clear that only LGBT groups or their supporters may march. JDL's rhetoric (referring to the LGBT community as "Sodomite Communists", advocating violence to further their agenda) shows them to be an enemy of the LGBT community, on par with the right wing religious nutbars. As for the "muslim lobby aligned with the Anti-Israeli Apartheid movement".. what of it? Were they marching? If so, did they actually break any laws? Were there any calls for Israel's destruction during the parade? Or is this just more irrelevant Zionist/pro-Israeli hyperbole? (you know, where ANY criticism of Israel-the-state is interpreted as a call to destroy Israel) Free speech is a bitch - and the ones attempting to curtail it here in Canada have been pro-Israeli lobbyists.
Dan, Toronto ON
07/06/10 1:36 PM EST
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@Jamie Most Jewish groups are anti-LGBT
B'nai Brith, the JDL and CJC are rabidly right wing organizations that align with Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists here in Canada, and are no friend to the LGBT community. Ideologically, they are on the same page as the ultra orthodox jews in Israel that pelt LGBT marchers in your precious Tel Aviv Pride Parade with mud and eggs while they work to keep their LGBT citizenry living in fear. Classy company to keep!
Dan, Toronto ON
07/06/10 1:49 PM EST
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Kyle Rae
The thing you don't get Jamie is that we tired of Kyle Rae way before the Israeli-Palestinian issue came up. No one likes Kyle Rae and we consider him a sell-out. This, for at least a decade. See Jamie, you don't know anything about the queer community. I had a big debate with this woman earlier and told her she didn't know anything about the queer community... Kyle thought he did, she thought she did, but the queer community just showed them how different we are than they thought. As for unifying the jewish community, I think a lot of Jewish people would feel insulted by your comment... speak for yourself and those people who will justify anything Israel does because of fascist nationalism. It has been made clear to me, by Jewish people, that the likes of you and pro-Israel organization don't speak for them. You are a lunatic.
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 2:08 PM EST
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Dan
dan, I am queer and transgendered and have evangelical friends and family, that may not "approve" of who I sleep with, but are by no means homophobic. You make a Huge generalization that is hate speech toward evangelic for the faith they choose. because someone follows a particular denomination that does not agree with our lifestyle, it does not make them homo or trans phobic. Me and a few hundred friends in the LGBT community have been embraced as valued people by myfamily and others in both the christan and Jewish communitites here in toronto. It is an ignorant statement to accuse people of homophobia because there faith aligns with choosing hetreosexual lifestyle for themselves. While there are christian homophobes, muslim, homophobes and Jewish homophobes, you are shallow to attack them back as a whole group. The same people who demonize kyle Rae and Kulanu and anyone that doesnt agree that Free speech means "any speech" are angry and hateful people on these posts. It gives you some kind of perverted pleasure to marginalize anyone that does not share your political views. This kind of ignorance knows no societal boundaries, wether it is our Gay Sub Culture or any religious offilliation. Shame on anyone that would think and promote that atheism, or agnostcism is the only religions free of homophobia. Now I am going to write letters of thanks to all the evangelical christians that have accepted and love me, and others in our gay community. They dont have to agree with our sexual practices, it does not mean they hate us. They are entitled not to have to care about what we do in bed, just as I dont care what you are they do in bed. Grow up, danny girl!!
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 3:47 PM EST
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boycotting Israel LoL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saeky9I5T9c&feature=related
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 4:12 PM EST
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JDL
The prescence of the JDL at the parade was disturbing to say the least. They are provacateurs and terrorists. It was sad that the jewish groups felt the need to involve such lowlife. And don't get me started on their full page ad in the Star about calling all Jews to protest. Oh that's right, never criticise Israel.... I keep forgetting that it's always wrong to say anything bad about Israel, I must be an anti-semite.... oh wait a minute, but I'm a jew. Obviously a bad jew.
Jon, Toronto ON
07/06/10 4:50 PM EST
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@ Dan I fail to see your point
So what, but not everyone in Israel feels this way towards Queers(do you even know Israelis? I do and many are not Homophobic and most are not even ultra orthodox Jews funny many of them are usually anti-Zionist Jews) and even in Canada still has major problems in dealing with crimes towards us. Hate Crimes are up towards us and most Canadians did not even want us to have marriage and Harper even said he would take it away from us because the majority of Canadians WANT him to . But as in Canada not everyone thinks that way. Also as with the Bani Birth and right wing religious groups? Again so what, the might have connections with them through inter faith organizations, also the have links with the United Church. Also Dan if your going to say that right wing people hate us for being gay I think you might be wrong. Some do, but not all right wing people think in this way and some don't even care that we are Gay and many don't really have a problem with Gay Marriage. How do I know this? I grew up in a conservative family and many of them are in the Conservative Party or with my American Family they are Republicans.
Peter From, Toronto ON
07/06/10 5:06 PM EST
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@ Jon about the JDL in the USA yes they are but
in Canada they are not here's the list of current terrorist organizations in Canada from Public Safety Canada (http://bit.ly/a5Ug7g) So are they on that list by the government? Remember we live in Canada not the USA and funny the B'nai Birth don't like them either in the US they are known as ADL (http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Teror_92/4016_72.htm) What a Shocker
Peter From, Toronto ON
07/06/10 5:15 PM EST
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Jamie
I guess your problem is that you quite haven't got that not approving of who you sleep with is not approving of you being a homosexual and that, like not approving of someone being black, it is discriminatory. This not approving is the kind of nice way of saying they don't want us to have equal rights to marry and adopt... you say "they are by no means homophobic".... I will disagree with that. You are right, though, there are all kinds of homophobes in all kinds of religions. You could, of course, be an evangelical christian by name, like the catholics in Quebec, who are culturally catholic, but couldn't care less about whether you are a homosexual or not, premarital sex, or the pope. But, if they don't approve of your lifestyle... Jamie, they don't approve of you.
Tam, Toronto Ontario
07/06/10 5:38 PM EST
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@Jamie - Sigh
Oh Jamie, grow up indeed. AS A GROUP (you know, the ideology their leaders preach and the actions they take), Christian Evangelicals and their allies, including Israeli/Jewish lobby groups like B'nai Brith, the JDL and CJC are united in their hatred for the LGBT community and work actively to fuck with our lives. B'nai Brith has worked closely with Canada's most prominent anti-gay activists, including Charles McVety of the Canada Family Action Coalition. CJC's Reuven Bulka (once co-president, on the board) is a homophobic rabbi who sat on the scientific advisory committee of the U.S.-based National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), which advocates conversion therapy for queers and supports the re-listing of homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder. These are clearly enemies to our community (and even to apologists like yourself). It's wonderful that you have found people in these circles who are accepting. But AS A GROUP, they are completely vile hypocrites messing around in other people's lives. That you think this is a "Huge generalization that is hate speech" is fucking hilarious, and another sign that your kind cannot handle criticism, labeling anything you don't agree with as "hateful." As a supposed transgendered queer you REALLY ought to be aware of what actual hate speech is - and criticizing domestic policy of a State is not it.
Dan, Toronto ON
07/07/10 8:10 AM EST
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@Peter - your cluelessness ain't pretty
Wow. I point out how right wing religious groups (including, but not limited to, B'nai Brith, the JDL, CJC, Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists) are enemies to the LGBT community and all you can muster is "So what?" That's the fucking point! Organizationally, these groups hate the LGBT community and work in concert to screw with our lives and force their theological worldview on all Canadians. The hatemongers here are the right wing religious groups - their rhetoric emboldens attackers to bash us, and the fear and lies they spread poisons the public mind.
Dan, Toronto ON
07/07/10 8:25 AM EST
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dan
dan, your posting is worse then a"Huge generalization". First of all to say "my supposed transgenderism" suggests you can't find enough to attack,when anyone disagrees with A particylaer point of view. yes their are loving and accepting people within all religiuos communitites towards lgbt people. Stating they are ALL hateful, is nothing short of ignorant. If you are liberal, and hang with conservatives, you wouldnt trash them with hateful language because you funadmentally differ on some views. People go to Narth, narth doesnt come and get you. these are people that try living good lives like many of us, and are made up of differing aspects to their personalities. If they are Judging us harshly, maybe it is because we attack All of who they are? Grow the F...up!
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/07/10 8:50 AM EST
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@Jamie
Jamie - re: "supposed transgenderism" you would be the first transgendered person I've encountered (and there have been many) that hold your views that religion is benign and full of love. I frankly stand in disbelief that you can seriously hold that view and be trans, so I have doubts about who you claim to be. Anyway, I'll leave that alone in any future "attacks" (really, you think these are attacks?).
Dan, Toronto ON
07/07/10 9:35 AM EST
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@Jamie - group vs individual
Jamie, you need to improve your reading comprehension. I CLEARLY stated that I was referring to these organizations AS A GROUP. As an example, you may meet a Catholic person (i.e. AN INDIVIDUAL) that is perfectly lovely and sane and doesn't think gay people are intrinsically disordered. That doesn't matter one bit to the Catholic Church (i.e. THE GROUP), who believes gays are some sort of abomination in the eyes of their god. (As an aside, that the "lovely and sane" individual supports such an organization and its insanity makes them complicit in their organizations activities, and therefore is not a true friend to the community.) The same applies to the right wing religious organization I've mentioned earlier: individually they may be nice people, but the organizations at their core are hateful towards the LGBT community and need to be revealed as such. Some, like B'nai Brith and CJC are more subtle about it, but their associations reveal their true, bigoted nature. These people have ALREADY judged us harshly and endeavor to interfere with our lives SIMPLY BECAUSE WE EXIST. That's what the LGBT community has fought against for all these years. That these groups become offended when we fight back against their hate is to be expected - however, WE aren't the ones trying to deny anyone their rights.
Dan, Toronto ON
07/07/10 9:48 AM EST
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dan
dan, that was my point. you are genearally attacking groups, individuals make up those groups, and they are not all homophobes. Why am I bothering, to re explain anything to a a nrrow person like you. Regarding your "doubts" I am transgendered, knowing some loving religious people, who accept my LGBT status. Come meet my family and friends....what your afraid. Well, take off your blinders man, and I'll show you my transgendered self. Get a life!!! Please, dont hide your hatefulness in this blog, come out in public. Where and when danny girl?
Jamie, Toronto Ontario
07/07/10 6:11 PM EST
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Am I the only one who found it boring?
I have to say that this year's parade was the most boring Pride parade I've ever attended. Of course every year there are politicians, students, and a few unions, which is cool, but this year it felt like "statement" after "statement", with very few fun and joyful floats I know some people have an issue with "corporate pride" but if I knew it would be that long and boring, I would have gone to Church Street instead. Pride should be about joy, fun, and celebration. Instead, I kept looking at my watch as I felt I was being preached to. If Pride 2011 is anything like this year's I'll be giving the parade a pass.
Adrian M, Toronto Ontario
07/07/10 7:20 PM EST
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Oh Adrian!
...it's always more fun when you actually get invovled! Find a cause, join a group, create your own group, support a business on their float, volunteer. There is so much you can do other than simply standing by waiting to be entertained.
J Roman, Toronto ON
07/08/10 9:06 AM EST
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Right on Mr. Roman!
Totally agree with you.. while being at and watching the parade is something everyone should do once or twice, it's much more fun to march in the parade! The feeling is electric, and it's great fun to watch the watchers - the suburban straights with their cameras screaming for free stuff.
Dan, Toronto ON
07/08/10 9:54 AM EST
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Are you nuts?
When Dan says: "you would be the first transgendered person I've encountered (and there have been many) that hold your views that religion is benign and full of love. I frankly stand in disbelief that you can seriously hold that view and be trans, so I have doubts about who you claim to be." Are you bananas? Do you seriously believe there are no trans people who are religious? If so, let me disabuse you. The United Church just ordained its first openly trans minister. Bear Bergman writes movingly about hir experience as a trans Jew. I know a trans woman in Washington, DC, who is a devout, though non-traditionalist Muslim. And I know scads of trans Pagans. Obviously, many traditional religions have been full of bitterness and hatred for trans and queer people, but this doesn't go for *all* religions, nor does it mean there are no trans people who are religious and value their religion as part of their lives. If you think that all religion is irredeemably homophobic, not only do you make queer religious people invisible and devalue their struggles, you let homophobic religions and religious figures off the hook -- "after all, what do we expect from them?"
Ace, Montreal QC
07/16/10 12:12 PM EST
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