Halifax gay bar accused of discrimination
HALIFAX NEWS / 'Like a slap on the face,' says Menz Bar staffer
Gwyneth Dunsford / National / Thursday, August 11, 2011
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A group of people say they were discriminated against when they were ejected last week from a Halifax bar.
 
Around 11pm on Aug 4, Mary Burnet says, she was dancing at Menz Bar when a bartender approached her group and asked them to leave.
 
“We had been there probably about five minutes when Darryll [Veniott], the bartender, came over and said, ‘Girls, you have got to go. You are not paying customers, so get out,’” says Burnet.
 
The situation escalated when the group left the bar but returned to question the bartender’s decision. They resumed dancing, and the bartender called the police to have them escorted out.
 
Veniott says he waited two or three songs before approaching a group of 11people and asked them to buy drinks.
 
When they refused, Veniott asked them to leave. Though they left initially, he says they returned 10 minutes later and hurled insults at him. Menz Bar does not have security staff, so Veniott says he called the police to clear the group from the bar.
 
“As they were leaving, each and every lady in the group told me to F-off and called me ‘faggot’ and other choice words,”  Veniott says.
 
Halifax Regional Police received a call at 12:12am about unruly patrons at Menz Bar.
 
“Once we got there, they left without any incident,” says Cst Brian Palmeter, the squad’s media representative. “What they were doing before then, we are not 100 percent sure of. But we were just asked to move them along.”
 
Burnet says it was particularly offensive when Veniott called her friends “girls.”
 
“He was making some problematic assumptions,” says Burnet, an organizer of the recent Dyke and Trans March. “First of all, that we all identify as ‘girls.’ And secondly, that we don’t financially support the bar, or that we don’t belong in the bar.”
 
Burnet says she understands that Menz Bar needs to make money through drink sales but says Veniott should not have rushed to kick her out.
 
Veniott says he did not intent to offend with his use of the word “girls” and he would have apologized immediately if he had realized his language was upsetting to the group.
 
“If I offended anyone by calling them ladies, I am sorry,” says Veniott, who has worked at Menz Bar for three years. “To me they appeared to be females.”
 
Burnet says the group was treated differently because of their gender identities.
 
“I doubt very much that he would have treated a group of – what he perceived to be – men in the same way, if they were in the bar, dancing for five minutes,” says Burnet.
 
Glenn Blake, another Menz Bar bartender, says patrons are required to buy drinks unless they pay cover. He says the morning of Aug 4, bar management held a staff meeting to address the issue.
 
“If you are paying to come into the bar, you can drink or you can not drink,” says Blake, who was not working during the incident. “That’s totally fair. If you have paid your cover, cool.”
 
Burnet was surprised by the bartender’s reaction and says that Menz Bar is usually a welcoming place for all queer people.
 
She hopes to resolve the conflict by speaking with the owner of Menz Bar, Doug Melanson, who she says was a sponsor of the Dyke and Trans March.
 
Melanson offered no comment when asked about the kerfuffle, saying he spoke directly with Burnet’s group.
 
Veniott says he is upset that Burnet’s friends consider his actions “discriminatory.” When he left his shift at Menz Bar on Aug 4, he says, he was accused of bigotry by queer community members.
 
“With all the rumours, it’s like a slap on the face,” he says. “The fact is... Menz Bar does so much for the community. And I don’t want the females in the community thinking that we are not here for them, because we are."
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Reader Comments


 
Not news
If it was my bar, I'd probably kick them out too. They even sound annoying and irritating in this article! Seems to me that they were attention seeking and this article has given them what they wanted. What is the crazy new trend of marginal "queers" accusing gays and lesbians of homophobia? It's ridiculous and unhelpful. Congratulations.
Michel, Montreal Qc
08/11/11 10:00 AM EST
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Unnecesary Drama
Those of us who were kicked out of the bar never wanted Xtra to cover this story. When I was approached for comment, I declined, saying that we would rather just talk to Doug and Darryl to sort this out like respectful people who are part of the same community, rather than have Xtra create unnecessary drama. I only gave my comments after the writer told me she had already interviewed Menz Bar staff and the police, and that she would have to write in the story that I refused to comment. In my interview, I very explicitly said that I didn't think Menz Bar was discriminatory at all. Doug is very community-minded and supportive of the LGBTQ community as a whole. I said that this was an instance of one staff member being discriminatory. We met with Doug and Darryll last night and sorted everything out. If Xtra could have waited until we had all had a chance to sit down and talk, as I had requested, there would be no need for this coverage. It's really unfortunate the way Xtra has twisted this story to create tensions within the LGBTQ community. We're trying to work together, and I think we're doing a good job, so please stop exploiting minor incidents for news content.
Mary Burnet, Halifax Nova Scotia
08/11/11 11:29 AM EST
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What's really crazy
Do you know what's really crazy? I completely believe Mary - her version makes much more sense. Xtra seems to be run by a pack of divisive bullies. Why do people continue to buy advertising in this trash rag? Xtra should just stick to writing porn reviews.
Michel, Montreal QC
08/11/11 4:34 PM EST
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More shitty Xtra! reporting
Did they pay cover or not? The article doesn't indicate whether this group of 11(!) paid a cent or not. If not, the employee was fully justified to kick them out, and the fact that they returned onto private property simply call him "faggot" is illegal and disgusting. I am getting sick of dykes and trannies with their entitlement attitude.
Xtra! reader, here now
08/11/11 5:25 PM EST
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...
Every Thursday night there is no cover to get into Menz Bar. And many of us would have bought drinks after dancing for a couple songs. No one called Darryll any kind of homophobic slur. None of us would ever use that word as an insult.
Mary Burnet, Halifax Nova Scotia
08/11/11 6:02 PM EST
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What's Good For The Gander........
I applaud Xtra for reporting the story and for not giving in to childish pressures to censor.
Darren Richard, Edmonton Alberta
08/11/11 9:50 PM EST
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Menz Bar is great, actually.
I'm confused...if it happened at 11pm on August 4, how did the bar management have a meeting to address the issue on the morning of August 4? As a Haligonian and a regular patron of Menz Bar, I will say that Mary's comments make far more sense than the article itself. When the commenters on a website have more credibility than the reporters you know you have a problem.
S.B, Halifax Nova Scotia
08/11/11 11:33 PM EST
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Disappointed with Xtra
I was also approached for comment regarding this article and declined for similar reasons to Mary. I was one of the people at Menz that night, and I would not say we were discriminated against. This article oversimplifies complex issues that the queer community has been facing forever including inclusive spaces, spaces for people who don't drink, spaces for gays and lesbians to hangout together, spaces that are trans-positive. I am disappointed in Xtra for trying to create unnecessary tension and conflict within the queer community over a single incident. None of those issues are the fault of Menz bar, they're community issues. I imagine that there are way more important stories for Xtra to be covering: mandatory gendered bathrooms in Nova Scotia, gender-segregated security lin-ups at public events, queer bashings, a lack of queer spaces for people who don't drink, the need for funding for queer community centres, violence against sex workers, etc. On accuracy, I would like to clarify that there were not 11 of us at the bar that night. I believe there were 6 of us.
Kasley Kennedy, Halifax Nova Scotia
08/12/11 1:40 PM EST
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Also:
Also, no one in the group to my knowledge used the word faggot in this situation. It's not a word that I've heard used by any of the people at the bar that night.
Kaley Kennedy, Halifax Nova Scotia
08/12/11 1:56 PM EST
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Reporter's response
Hi all, I really appreciate the dialogue on the story, but wanted to address a few concerns. The article was written because it is newsworthy. Since the conflict happened, there have been rumours in the queer community and I simply wanted to know what happened. As you can tell, some of the evening's events are in dispute. For that reason, I attributed different accounts of the night to different people. As for the accuracy of the article, I stand behind my writing. All of the interviews were recorded and the mp3s of the conversations can be posted on the site if it's necessary. All sources talked to me of their own volition. I am a community member and have as much a right as any to write stories about Halifax's queer community.
Gwyneth Dunsford, Halifax NS
08/12/11 3:56 PM EST
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Re: Gwyneth
In Halifax, people are kicked out of bars all the time all over the city. Owners do have the right to kick people out if they want including the Menz. I do work at a bar not Menz and this happens usually every night and I've been at Reflections and seen people kicked out of there too almost every time I've been there. What is the big deal? Why not interview anyone that has gotten kicked out and even banned from Clubs or Bars in the Halifax region. This is not the first time someone was asked to leave a bar either gay or straight
Steve, Halifax NS
08/12/11 4:44 PM EST
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Disappointed
I know some of the folks that were kicked out of Menz that night and I'll reaffirm what Kaley and Mary have said: they would never have used the slur Darrell has accused them of using. Not only have I never heard any of the folks that were kicked out that night use that kind of language, but many also do a lot work to combat homophobia and transphobia (including homophobic/transphobic language) in Halifax. Also am I the only one that finds Darrell's claim that "each and every" one of them told him to F off and called him the F word more than a bit fishy? It's also my understanding that these folks returned to the dance floor after being kicked out because they felt that it was wrong that they had been asked to leave in the first place, not to get into a conflict with or "hurl insults" Darrell. There are really not many queer bars in Halifax to go dancing (there are two plus a queer retro night once a month) and I would have done the same. I am disappointed that Menz, a venue that I frequent/financially support, has allowed their staff to level these kind of libellous accusations against members of our community.
Rebecca Rose, Halifax Nova Scotia
08/14/11 12:13 PM EST
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Unethical journalism
Dunsford, you know that selectively quoting people to make a story "newsworthy" is completely unethical journalism, right? Here you have at least one person quoted in the story complaining that you've written the opposite of what they meant, and you have the bloodymindedness to say "this is my story and I'm sticking to it"? Wow, Xtra is no better - maybe worse - than Sun Media.
Michel, Montreal QC
08/14/11 8:01 PM EST
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forced to drink?
Something is not right. Is it not illegal to force customers to consume alcohol even if no cover is being charged? Its not like they had a choice to pay a cover instead of drinking is it? Besides, what kind of bar asks its customers to leave on one night they happen not to drink...maybe they would come back another night if treated well. Sounds like this is a place to avoid!
Something Stinks, Ottawa On
08/16/11 4:44 PM EST
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Like rats in a cage fighting each other
This is a strange news article and the comments are stranger still. The most telling comment though is about "Xtra...trying to create unnecessary tension and conflict within the queer community "
Jim, Toronto Ontario
08/16/11 6:35 PM EST
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Tired of what amounts to reverse bigotry...
The same thing is happening here, all the way on the other side of the country. Some (keyword being some, not all) trans people here in Victoria have boycotted Paparazzi Nightclub, making up grievances against the owners because they claim, without any facts or evidence, that they aren't welcome there or that they don't have a safe space to go to INSTEAD of working to make a safe space, or to make an existing space safe and welcoming for everyone. What that particular group of trans people don't seem to understand is that their views are equally bigoted and that not everyone is out to get them and persecute them. It's ludicrous and shameful that they try to speak for all trans people. QUEER PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE SAFE SPACES FOR ALL QUEER PEOPLE, NOT JUST SOME! What an assumption from these people... and then going to the media with a sensationalized story, which only creates divisions. Appalling. The bartender is right to feel hurt by the accusations. Sounds to me like he meant nothing offensive by what he said. As much as I, and some of my friends, and those who came before us, have worked so hard to try and make the community inclusive and encourage safe and welcoming spaces, we still have these (admittedly isolated) incidents happening everywhere, and it drives me bonkers. We aren't going to have any feet left to shoot at this rate. Serenity now...
ARGH!, Victoria BC
08/17/11 12:49 AM EST
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Misreadings
I'm not sure that someone calling a group of people girls is any more offensive than them saying "guys" my only beef with this situation.
Saige Xavier, coquitlam BC
08/17/11 2:30 AM EST
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tired of misogyny
yeeaah....."girls", "ladies", "females"??? You're looking at a group of queer women and trans folks and you figure "ladies" is the right word to use here??? Get your head out of your ass. Learn a few things about your communities. They don't look like "ladies" don't call them "ladies". And saying, "I thought they were females"??? Are you kidding me? Does no one see the problem with this language? Why not call them WOMEN? Or, crazy thought, PEOPLE? or even, FOLKS?
tired of misogyny, Toronto ON
08/17/11 11:50 AM EST
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Please report
about people getting kicked out of bars on a daily basis also why does Xtra think it's there issue? I find it rather interesting you can not even find a copy of Xtra in Halifax
Give, me a Break Halifac
08/17/11 8:26 PM EST
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drinking not always fun...
True there are always pushy bars around, but a gay bar?? please sometimes people cant pay the drink prices or inflated bottled water prices, but are with friends and cant leave the group for one reason of the other, sometimes its a ride home, or the partner who is drinking. One word GREED.... sums it $$. same thing no security,,,, again shows greed ... let police do the dirty work.
dan b, halifax ns
08/19/11 11:19 PM EST
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