Former board member says PTS 'misguided'
NEWS / Executive director defends controversial bylaw amendments ahead of AGM
Bradley Turcotte / Ottawa / Tuesday, September 25, 2012
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Two former Pink Triangle Services board members are raising concerns about the direction of the organization ahead of its annual general meeting tonight, Sept 25.
 
Gary Leger says five board members have resigned from PTS this year. Leger and George McBeth both recently left the board following president Denis Schryburt’s resignation on Sept 4.
 
Leger says the direction PTS is heading is “misguided,” and he is worried about proposed amendments to PTS bylaws.  
 
The executive director and remaining PTS board members want to give PTS executive director Claudia Van Den Heuvel the power to offer recommendations on the budget and manage the creation and review of the PTS strategic plan with the aid of the board of directors.
 
“I read over the amendments and I’m concerned. I have looked at the bylaws, and literally, the changes that are being put forward would result in giving ultimate control to the executive director, and a not-for-profit organization cannot function that way,” Leger says.
 
Leger says he still believes in PTS’s work, but he thinks the current board members are leading the organization astray.
 
“I don’t think enough people, and I’m talking about board members and the executive director, they don’t put the organization first enough of the time,” he says. “They put their personal emotions and personal feelings first, and they need to put the organization first.”
 
But Van Den Heuvel says the amendments are necessary because the current bylaws are outdated and make no mention of the executive director’s role.
 
“We clarified things about finances. How much I am allowed to offer without board approval within the budget. If it is a certain amount, can I go to the executive committee to get approval? If it’s over that amount the full board must give approval,” Van Den Heuvel says. “Things like that to clarify some macro-level managerial things.”
"PTS needs to be an organization that is fairly neutral and unbiased," says former PTS board president Denis Schryburt.
(Ben Welland)

Meanwhile, Schryburt worries that PTS is moving toward activism rather than education and the provision of supports for the community, which is why he submitted his resignation.
 
“PTS needs to be an organization who is fairly neutral and unbiased in order to better serve the queer community as a whole,” he says. “PTS has the potential to be the centre for the queer community in Ottawa, but it is not there yet, and it is going to be difficult to get there because of those challenges.”
 
Van Den Heuvel says it is natural for board members to disagree with the executive director. She says those members who resigned were unhappy because they were constantly in the minority.
 
“Does that make me difficult to work with? I don’t know,” she says. “Maybe there was just a personality clash. Of course, if I have an opinion and I think it is the right one . . . that’s the point of an opinion.”
 
Gender Mosaic president Sophia Cassivi says that if a well-respected member of Ottawa’s queer community like Schryburt has stepped down, something must be amiss with the PTS executive structure.
 
“Denis’s integrity and reputation is not to be debated whatsoever,” Cassivi says. “That sends out a very clear message to PTS there needs to be a cleanup. All of us [at Gender Mosaic], when we go to bed and look at ourselves in the mirror, we are very proud of who we are, who we work with and the cause we are working for. I think at PTS, some people must question that right now.”
 
For her part, Van Den Heuvel says the numbers speak for themselves.
 
“We are probably at the most balanced time in PTS history. We have more staff than we’ve ever had, we have more programs than we’ve ever had, we’ve diversified our programming in ways that we’ve never done before. Let’s just look at the numbers,” she says.
 
In addition to bylaw amendments, the AGM will elect eight new board members, who will work alongside five returning directors.
 
There has been some confusion over how to become a voting member. The PTS website says community members will get to vote if they purchase AGM memberships 30 days prior to the AGM. However, a Sept 13 PTS Facebook post says 10 free memberships are available for youth under 25 if they contact Van Den Heuvel.
 
Van Den Heuvel could not be reached for clarification on this point.
 
A notice about the AGM was distributed on Sept 11, the bare minimum of 14 days required by PTS’s current bylaws.
 
In February 2011, dissenting PTS members failed to overthrow the board in a 23 to 37 vote.   PTS Bylaws 2012 Draft(Sep12)


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in my opinion....
Ottawa community members should be fearful of this transition. In my experience, working with Claudia can be challenging as it seems she demands respect for her point of view, but fails to keep an open mind or dialogue on any points of view she disagrees with. PTS could be an amazing force in Ottawa, but I do strongly feel that the wrong person is in the executive director role. An individual with a more open view on the community as a whole would better serve everyone. I see the need for certain bylaw changes, but the way these are written lend one to think that the board will only be deciding on issues based on the E.d's recommendations. That should not be the case! I'm not certain of the details on the "free" youth memberships mentioned... but that doesn't sound like something that should be happening, especially not at the service level, if this was decided by the board it would make more sense. in short... Claudia needs to see beyond herself and personal agenda to allow the whole organization to succeed.
Jay, Ottawa Ontario
09/25/12 3:36 PM EST
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Fantastic services
As someone who has been volunteering for PTS for the past year, I can attest to how vital the services/direction that PTS is going towards. The direction PTS strives for is inclusive, supportive, and necessary. The divide on the Board honestly sounds generational; whereas the youth and the Executive stands for change and revolution. I honestly can't understand what older crowd is attempting as they stand in the way of progress.
Ben, Ottawa ON
09/26/12 11:11 AM EST
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Involved versus not
From where I stand there seems to be a whole other thing happening. The people actively involved in the organization; staff, volunteers, directors and clients, support PTS, its vision and its Executive Director. Then on the other side there is a bunch of older gay men (who don't even get involved in the organization) who oppose the vision and the ED. Why hasn't that been reported on? I've volunteered at the PTS centre for a while now and I've never seen a single one of the older people who complained at the AGM at the centre.
Mel, Ottawa ON
09/26/12 4:24 PM EST
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History Lesson
You probably don't know this Mel, but us "older folks" are the founders of Pink Triangle Services and have been the leaders of the community for a long time. We don't need to be a part of the organization to have a say. Our opinion matters because we have the experience to know what works best and what doesn't. Without us I fear the community and PTS will lose its way. I hope that helps you understand. Have a nice day.
Denis, Ottawa ON
09/26/12 5:30 PM EST
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Wow
That was unnecessarily condescending... Thanks for the history lesson... Maybe Ben is right, this is a generational thing and I'm going to add an arrogance thing too...
Mel, Ottawa ON
09/26/12 5:42 PM EST
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Privileged Traditionalism
I think it would be important to note, Denis, your privilege in these matters. You are very clearly an older white gay man, and represent the highest hierarchy in the queer community. That being said, like anyone else, you do not have the right to be the sole voice and visionary of PTS or the community at large. I understand you were once the President of the Board, that still does not make you its elite dictator. PTS has programs for queer people of colour, youth, queer parents, gender questioning as well as many others. These programs reach out to a diverse population of individuals and your experience should not have priority or preference in the direction this organization takes. My experience is different than yours, the person next to me as a queer person of colour or as a trans person or as a pansexual orientated individual will have different opinions, ideas and visions than you and you have no right to say that your experience is the best and only one. I suggest that you check your privilege and spend some time attending some of the programs at PTS and get to know some other individuals and their experience before you assume that you have the right to speak on their behalf.
Gabe, Ottawa ON
09/26/12 5:57 PM EST
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Before we enter the generation wars...
First, as one of the "bunch of older gay men (who don't even get involved)": over the years, I've been a volunteer and board member with PTS, and am currently a regular donor who now volunteers time with other organizations. In fact, of the 8 people (including me) who left the room, 5 were former PTS board members and two were former volunteers. Second, my intention in walking out wasn't to prevent change - it was to ensure that a full and fair discussion of what seem to be problematic bylaw amendments could take place with a broad range of PTS stakeholders present, rather than calling in members from one side of the debate to stack the deck. Finally (and this links to my previous point), while I appreciate the work Claudia and the rest of the staff have done to address the concerns of under-served members of the queer diaspora, that doesn't mean she should be allowed free rein, as the bylaw amendments might have allowed. If very recent former board members have concerns about the relationship between the ED of an organization and its board, should those concerns be dismissed? Or, should there be a discussion about it that accounts for input from more than one side?
Ian, Ottawa Ontario
09/26/12 6:00 PM EST
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The Bylaws
I'm going to assume this is Jay Koornstra who posted the first message... Aren't you good friends with Denis Schryburt? Your opinions are a bit loaded and your comments are a bit misleading. In a recent article on TypeQ or Xtra one of your board members was quoted as saying "the ED is the final authority on things that are operational"... So how is what PTS is proposing any different? From what I read the ED is still responsible to the Board of Directors. The board governs the organization through a strategic plan, performance reviews, policy development, apporving a budget, etc... So what am I missing? It also says the ED executes any decision of the Board of Directors. I think this whole 100% control is a red herring and Xtra (and some readers) bought it: hook, line and sinker.
M.K., Ottawa ON
09/26/12 6:08 PM EST
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Ian
If you wanted to have the discussion, then have it. From what I gather that was the intention - the Board and ED were presenting bylaw amendments for the membership to consider and discuss. However, when members walk out because there isn't enough of "them" represented then how can dialogue really be the goal. It sounds like you knew you were the minority perspective so you intentionally crippled the process. That is just shameful!
M.K., Ottawa ON
09/26/12 6:16 PM EST
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Board Members
n your comment Ian, you also point out that a number of past Board members "have concerns about the relationship between the ED of an organization and its board", while that might be true it begs further analysis. The majority of the Board works well with Claudia (or they wouldn't have stayed)... so it isn't friction with Claudia and ALL BOARD MEMBERS, but a handful. From my understanding talking to some people who were at the AGM last night, all of you came together, you sat in the same corner of the room, and you left together, but most importantly you are all older gay men (Not that there is anything wrong with that, I'm getting there too). The point that I am trying to make is whether the conflict is about politics (of age, gender or whatever). From what I have heard Claudia is a young woman and it's well known that men don't like to see a woman in a leadership position. Could there be some sexism at play here? I would also like to point out that Claudia isn't the first executive director to have a difficult time in this organization. In 2009 the ED resigned for unknown reasons (though that story was largely left untouched) and in 2005 the ED and the entire staff resigned because of conflicts with the Board - I believe the words were "micro-management". I don't think it takes a genius to see that change is needed and this need came way before Claudia entered this organization. I think the Board and Claudia were on the right track with the changes, and perhaps if you and the others had stayed there would have been discussion to achieve what has plagued this organization for a decade.
M.K., Ottawa ON
09/26/12 7:04 PM EST
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Look at the facts
As someone who has been involved in this organization for ten years I've seen many changes. I think it is problematic to call it a generational thing, but I think it is the difference between white middle class gay/lesbian politics and that of queer politics. Queer politics are inclusive and challenge the system that oppresses people. PTS is doing great work between their counseling program, their expanding support groups, education programs and expanding community involvement. That is largely in part of the direction of the Executive Director Claudia. Let us celebrate our successes and recognize that: A) PTS is providing much more programing then ever before. B) PTS has a new pretty space. C)It has an increased staff and volunteer base D) It is one of the highest grossing years on record E) More diverse populations are getting involved including more trans folks, pansexual folks, poly & kinky folks, and really importantly queer people of colour. F) PTS is reaching over 10X the people in the community then it did 3 years ago. Those are the facts. Note: I am part of the PTS membership.
Jade, Toronto ON
09/26/12 7:20 PM EST
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Ageism?
For those who question whether this could be a matter of ageism or a generational divide: http://www.facebook.com/groups/136877749698690/ I'm so disappointed by the immaturity and I'm a part of that group - uggghhhh!!!
M.K., Ottawa ON
09/26/12 8:31 PM EST
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Hypocrisy?
What is really starting to boggle my mind is that the ED and Board are being accused of "stacking the deck" while on the Senior Pride Network Facebook page, that very thing is being proposed... hmmmm
M.K., Ottawa ON
09/27/12 1:29 AM EST
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I can't... I don't... WHAT?!
Fuck me sideways. Shwing @ Gabe. You knocked that one out of the park! Thank you for being much more eloquent in making the point I couldn't restrain myself enough to make. MK, I have no clue who you are, but you're quickly becoming someone I really, really like. Denis, your point is completely invalid: I would hardly call ANY part of the community 'leaders' of the community. You might be the historians, but that doesn't give you any special authority. And asserting yourself like that makes you sound like a mitigated ass. Jade: You're awesome. Mel: You're awesome. Ian: nobody dismissed you. And finally, Claudia is not the one who put together the amendments. The board was. So why is Claudia the one being blamed for wanting more control when she's only asserting her own authority, since the board has historically kept it from the ED? I SO don't understand this BS.
Jean Yves, Montreal QC
09/27/12 8:13 AM EST
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It seems our media has been bought
Bradley's style of journalism is contemptible. It would appear unbiased reporting is something Xtra isn't able to provide anymore. Though I never really gave much weight to Xtra's articles, these two articles by Bradley have nearly nauseated me with their one-sided interviews and lack of fact checking. Xtra has gone down the shitter.
Jean Yves, Montreal QC
09/27/12 8:20 AM EST
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Mistaken Identity (Wrong Denis)
Hello everyone. Just to be clear and to make sure there is no confusion, the comment left by the person named Denis on September 26 at 5:30 PM entitled "History Lesson" was not posted by me, the Denis who very recently resigned as President of PTS and mentioned in the article above. I almost never comment online but when I do I always use my full name. Therefore I would truly appreciate that all responses to that comment, including the ones made by Mel, Gabe and Jean-Yves be directed to that individual and not me. Thank you all and have a great day. Hope you are enjoying the continued great weather. Best
Denis Schryburt, Ottawa Ontario
09/27/12 2:20 PM EST
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Bylaws etc....
To address Eileen Murphy's comments that the ED Claudia is setting up bylaws to have more power/ did you actually read the Bylaws? if you did you would see that it is the Board that makes the amendments, Claudia only gives her input. and why would you say that the ED should resign/because of the timeline member renewal and again if you read the bylaws you would see that it is the responsibility of the rcording secretary to notify the members! Get your facts straight before you make accusations against the ED. also you defending the last 2 presidents instead why not look at the positive results that have been done at PTS and applaud the ED for the changes that she has implemented with PTS/ My hat off to you Claudia for what you have had to endure with these insults/ keep your head up high and Eileen remember someday you will have to be accountable for all the words you have spoken to smear Claudia. and now to address Jay's comments...PTS is an amazing force in Ottawa and this is because of Claudia the ED/ What state was PTS in before - not very well Who did this Claudia did!! So, does Claudia see beyond herself? ABSOLUTLY!!! WHY?? because she lives and breathes for PTS, the community, the youth and her staff are more important to her than anything else. So, my question to you is--Why do you have to publicly smear Claudia?? Would you want this done to you?
Maria, Ottawa Ontario
09/27/12 4:23 PM EST
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PTS is awesome
My experience with PTS is that they play a critical role in the success of the young people in the community; they have grown immensely over the past few years; everyone in the organization is professional and dedicated to their work. None of this could be true if there was not dedicated leadership at ED level. The ED sets the tone and the example. And now, the awesome new location really raises the organization to a whole new level. How can all of this success be constantly called failure? Surely, the results speak for themselves - the results of the ED's actions speak much loader than any words spoken at the AGM or written on these pages.
Ann-Marie Miller, Ottawa Ontario
09/27/12 6:54 PM EST
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Thank you and clarification
Thank you Denis Schryburt for the clarification. And to clarify something, I meant to say the *other* Denis' comment made him sound like an UNmitigated ass. My fingers got ahead of me and the typo slipped through.
Jean Yves, Montreal QC
09/27/12 10:59 PM EST
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Support of the ED of PTS
Just read the comments of those who were supporting the PTS ED. It was good to read these. Thank you for posting. Not because of any condemnation of those opposing the ED. It was good to read the direction the ED is taking the organization. It was good to read the successess and the programmes, and what she has done......Was good to look beyond personal comments and see some facts for a change. And you are right, put our money where our mouth is. And volunteer some time at PTS....
Sylvia Martin, ottawa on
09/27/12 11:35 PM EST
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Quorum
It has been mentioned to me that at the AGM there were in fact 28 members present, when Eileen Murphy and other members walked out this reduced the numbers...so, this indicated that Eileen Murphy and others did so to intentionally sabotage the meeting. To you Eileen I would have to say that if that is what you did you are a very evil and spiteful person. If you are placing the onus on the ED maybe you and others should be tied to your chair so that you cannot leave!! and now my question to you is--why do you attend these meetings, you don't seem to go to support PTS but rather to smear and cause disruption
Ria Hill, Ottawa Ontario
09/28/12 11:14 AM EST
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PTS is great and so is its ED
I have attended PTS discussion groups for many years and have found it a vital helpful organization for the GLBTTQ community in Ottawa. It offers numerous discussion groups where people can meet, grow, learn and make friends without having to go to a pub or bar and without having to worry about having to pay for food or be tempted to drink alcohol. I have found the ED to be very supportive of open democratic discussion groups, to try to get dialogue going between the different generations of GLBTTQ people and to provide educational programs along with councillors etc I sincerely hope PTS continues as it is and I do not understand what the problem is with the Board Directors that left. I certainly do not see what they say is going on. I see well attended discussion groups, sound balance sheet, a PTS library, great new location and a safe haven for the GLBTTQ community.
Mike J, Ottawa ONtario
09/28/12 8:04 PM EST
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Get an independent legal opinion
It seems to me that rather than argue amongst ourselves in this fashion, perhaps it would be best to get an independent legal opinion on the impact of the proposed by-law changes. Questions for legal counsel could include: 1) Are the proposed changes such that they continue to hold the Executive Director accountable to the elected Board of Directors? 2) Are the proposed changes in line with commonly accepted practice in the administration of publicly funded, charitable organizations?
Ted Chartrand, Ottawa ON
09/30/12 8:51 AM EST
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Great suggestions
Hello everyone, thank you to all for your interest and support of PTS. Ted, I too think a legal opinion about the bylaws is required. This is among the many things we are doing to improve for the next AGM. All the best.
Claudia, Ottawa oN
09/30/12 3:51 PM EST
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Something else that might help
Claudia: Many people have difficulty reading bylaws and discerning the intent/impact of the sections and sub-sections. It might help if there was a chart that listed each change and why the change is seen as necessary, i.e., what problem/issue is the change intended to address. Members should not be unsure of what they are being asked to approve through a vote.
Ted Chartrand, Ottawa ON
09/30/12 6:47 PM EST
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Continued
first of all this is not Jay Koonstra. Sorry to Jay for any confusion in identity. My original post was not meant to belittle the work that PTS is or has been doing and I know there is a vast majority that are around there for the right reasons and are doing great work. to be blunt my post was a direct attack on claudia as in my opinion she doesn't have the skills or the tact to be able to effectively lead an organization like this and shouldn't be in the role. She has shown characteristics of being sneaky and underhanded when it comes to dealing with other organizations within our own community. I feel there are far better people in our community for that role... I think a transition in the bylaws to include the ED role would be a great idea, if written in a way that doesn't give said person to much power or any power over what the board can do.
Jay, Ottawa Ontario
10/01/12 6:59 PM EST
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Qualifications
My experiences with Claudia have only been positive... which makes me wonder... what qualifies you to say Claudia isn't capable of being the E.D.? Hasn't she been the E.D. for like three or four years? I think if you are going to make such strong accusations you shouldn't be doing it and hiding your identity... that is cowardly!
Mel, Ottawa ON
10/02/12 6:50 PM EST
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Identity
I just read the comments on this blog and also want to say I am not the Denis who wrote the post on September 26th. When I write, I always use my full name. Right now, I just have rhetorical questions regarding these posts (and another remarkably similar group of posts attached to another article about PTS). I can't figure out why so many here are using only initials or first names? I would have thought more people were out in this day and age. And I can't figure why some semi anonymous persons from Montreal and Toronto are writing in concerning our local community services group. Isn't there enough going on in those communities? Maybe we should restrict PTS membership to persons living in Eastern Ontario and West Quebec? Is it possible that some of these semi anonymous writers could be either PTS Board Members or maybe even on staff or formerly on staff? No, I wouldn't even want to allow myself to think so, as former and present staffers or Board Members would want to be honest with the community; they wouldn't want to mislead the community by pretending to be just plain folks, community members writing in, and not persons with any vested interest. Very interesting debate.
Denis LeBlanc, Ottawa ON
10/03/12 9:16 PM EST
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Reply to Denis - History Lesson
It took me a while to research this question, but I can state with some certainty that the Denis who purported to give a history lesson was NOT among founders of PTS. He was not on the Gays of Ottawa Board or the original planning committee that thought up the idea of splitting the group to found PTS in 1983-4, he was not on the PTS founding Board in 1984 and not on the first elected PTS Board in 1985. It is important not to distort our history. It is also important not to take credit for others' hard work. I was Chair of Gays of Ottawa's Political Action Committee and Editor of GO INFO at the time and I was present at many of the discussions about founding PTS.
Denis LeBlanc, Ottawa ON
10/04/12 6:16 PM EST
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MK gets it wrong and doesn't right it.
MK – As you well know by now I am not the Jay who posted the first comment (25 Sept) in this thread. Fortunately the person named Jay who made that first posting has already corrected you (1 Oct) for your erroneous assumptions. What I find most discomforting is that despite the original poster correcting you (MK), it was he who apologized to me for your mistake and you have not even attempted to do so yourself since being informed of your mistake several days ago. You suggested that my opinions are “a bit loaded and misleading” and nuanced that my opinions are shaped by my friendship with another individual. To imply such clearly demonstrates you do NOT know my character nor the values and principles that I hold dear. To involve the organization I work for in your discourse is even more disturbing since neither the organization nor I as an individual had even ventured to engage offering our opinions in this instance. What message is being given when someone is willing to impugn the character of others and not accept the consequences of those actions? A simple apology would have gone a long way to instilling some credibility to your own character and the comments found in your other postings on this same subject. Jay Koornstra, Community Member
Jay Koornstra, Ottawa Ontario
10/05/12 6:08 PM EST
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Denis
What semi anonymity are you talking in regards to my posts? I'm using my first name, because I was involved in PTS for many, many years, and I didn't think it was necessary to post my last name. Since I've only encountered two other Jean Yves in my life (one was a TV credit I saw for some show), I doubt there would be much confusion. I don't appreciate the passive aggressive insinuation that I'm not being honest by not saying I used to work for PTS. I've never lied about that, and I have no reason to. Had someone come out and asked me, I would have said so. I'm not really sure how my previous employment is relevant, since during that time, I was also volunteering. I'm still very much engaged with PTS, and I do volunteer my time with them when I can. How am I misleading people by acting like I'm 'plain folks, community members writing in, and not persons with any vested interest.'? Isn't the whole point of these conversations to have people with vested interests? To put your mind at ease, I was a client of PTS starting in 2003; about six months later, I started volunteering at PTS. I was a group facilitator for a few different groups, and then I was employed as the Program Coordinator. What does this mean? It means I have a lot of experience with PTS, and I know how it works. I also know how much work the people in that office are putting in, and how much it SUCKS to have people on here debating whether their work is useful to the community or not. So that's why I'm arguing against anyone who says anything bad about PTS or its staff. Because I care about the organization, and I care about the community. Please stop making these kinds of idiotic comments.
Jean Yves, Montreal QC
10/07/12 2:46 PM EST
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Idiotic comments
Yean Yves directs me to 'stop making these kinds of idiotic comments. In my comments, I did not attack you personally, yet you defame me by your comments. It is news to me that you were once a PTS staffer, and that you are presently a volunteer, but you don't know me and I still don't know you. In my comment, I felt I had to reply to the anonymous Denis, just in case someone thought I might be he. How do you think it feels for me to be the object of your disrespect then being ordered to stop commenting? It matters that you are a former PTS staffer and current volunteer as that carries some authority. Whether or not my comments were idiotic is not at issue. No one has the right to try to stifle debate?
Denis LeBlanc, Ottawa ON
10/08/12 6:40 PM EST
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Denis
Then, please, tell me which other person commented from Montreal. And how your passive aggressive comments about how me not disclosing my involvement with PTS is dishonest is a personal attack. Mine was in fact, less so than yours. I never stifle a debate; what I did was ask that you stop making idiotic comments. Make intelligent ones all you want. I just will not tolerate that kind of behaviour toward me. Cheers.
Jean Yves, Montreal QC
10/08/12 10:57 PM EST
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