Burnaby opponents rally outside school board
EDUCATION / Being lesbian or gay is 'not the right thing': parent
Natasha Barsotti / Vancouver / Wednesday, May 11, 2011
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Under the watchful eyes of RCMP officers, close to 300 placard-waving opponents and supporters of a draft anti-homophobia policy squared off for about an hour outside the Burnaby Board of Education office on May 10.
About 200 opponents of the Burnaby school board's proposed anti-homophobia policy rallied outside the board's May 10 meeting, countered by about 100 supporters, including Burnaby students who chanted: "5.45, let the gays thrive."
(Darren Fleet photo)

The sometimes-tense confrontation followed an April 26 board meeting where almost 100 parents objected to the school board’s proposed Policy 5.45 to protect queer students’ rights.

Many of the policy’s critics say they support the concept of respect for all but feel the proposal promotes reverse discrimination, is an infringement of parents’ rights and privileges a certain political ideology.

During a May 10 interview on CKNW, when asked what he’s afraid of, parent James Gray eventually told radio host Bill Good he thinks the policy’s proponents are “certainly leftwing-driven” and have a political agenda to target and market children.

Burnaby school board trustee Gary Wong cites several reports indicating that homophobia is a problem throughout the province. He also notes that the BC Trustees Association — which “represents trustees of all political stripes” — voted for a recommendation calling on all school districts to adopt policies similar to 5.45.

Rainer Bohl told trustees at the May 10 board meeting that he opposes the policy because it promotes a strategy to “reeducate our society and try and force everyone to adopt one homogeneous view with respect to LGBTQ lifestyle.”

He says media reports show that 5.45 is already pitting various cultural, ethnic and religious groups against each other, noting that posted reader comments “attacked people who dared to speak against the policy.”




“All we’re asking is that we be given the right to live the way we want to live. I don’t believe that we’re too young to make our own decisions about it,” counters Grade 12 student Darra Evans outside the meeting.

Evans, who says she’s read the policy, notes that some people may have a problem with its wording.

“Perhaps if we can sit down and change the wording, that makes them happy, but I still think there should be a policy about homophobia in schools.

“I am graduating but it’s still very important to me,” she adds. “A lot of my friends are bisexual or lesbian or gay, and I’ve seen them get pushed around; I’ve seen them get hurt because of something they can’t control, basically.”

But parent Rifdhy Nizan, who opposes the policy, says being lesbian or gay is “not the right thing” and should not be encouraged. “I worship one God, so we don’t believe in that. So that’s why I’m here today.”

Principals and other school authorities are responsible for controlling bullying, he adds.

Jeanne Keegan-Henry, whose daughter attends a Burnaby school, argues that queer students need very specific protection against bullying, pointing to the number of suicides that occurred in the past year because of bullying. “If you changed everything in the original policy to say Chinese or black or Hispanic or any racial thing, it would be appalling to oppose it,” she adds.

Charter Lau of ParentsVoice takes issue with the policy’s definition of heterosexism. “If you think that heterosexuality is the norm, then you are heterosexist, then you are a danger to the individual and the community. If someone thinks homosexuality is normal, then you’re okay.”

In the policy, heterosexism is defined as “the mistaken assumption that all people are heterosexual and that heterosexuality is superior and the norm by which all other sexual orientation and gender identities are measured.” The policy also states that heterosexism “perpetuates negative stereotypes and is dangerous to individuals and communities.”

Another problem, Lau says, is that the policy protects only homosexuals from discrimination. “If the policy only covers part of the community, not the other part, then it’s not fair.”

“I think it’s a lack of understanding around what the policy is supposed to mean, actually,” Burnaby Teachers Association vice-president James Sanyshyn says.

“Some of it’s a language barrier,” he adds. “The policy is only available in English, and I think the board is making moves to translate it into other languages. Apparently, some of the words that appear in the policy don’t translate into other languages, so if they could find words that mean the same thing but have a literal translation, then that could assist in terms of understanding.”

Sanyshyn, who sits on the committee tasked with addressing homophobia in the district’s schools, says the board could look at changing a few words, but not the intent, by giving an opt-out clause.

Steve LeBel of BC’s Pride in Education Network says the board needs to have information meetings with parents — “not a policy meeting like tonight” — to explain how the policy translates into classrooms and behavioural policies.

Most, though not all, parents will think that’s reasonable, he believes, even if they still don’t like gays and lesbians.

Sanyshyn is optimistic the board will still have the will to pass the policy, despite the opposition.

Board chair Larry Hayes says there’s still a lot of misinformation about the policy. “We’re not trying to change curriculum; we’re not trying to indoctrinate children or sexualize our elementary schools,” he says.

“The realities of the world is that there are a lot of different types of people out there, and I think part of our job as educators is to not hide that fact but ensure people realize that everybody has to be recognized, respected and treated with dignity.”


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Reader Comments


 
Hmmm...
fucking pigs!
Marc, Vancouver BC
05/11/11 8:11 PM EST
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Sad and Pathetic
I couldn't help but once again roll my eyes at the comments from some of these parents in the video clip. Bottom line, they are homophobic , fear mongers who think that one day you just wake up and decide,"you know what? from now on I'm gonna be gay". They think their kids are going to "catch the gay". I am getting so tired of arguing with these people. They have their way of thinking and they will never change no matter what you say. I also find it fascinating how straight people know so much about being gay. It never ceases to amaze me.
Barry'S, Vancouver BC
05/12/11 9:23 PM EST
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I know!
Show me a gay person who thinks they chose to be that way. Anyone? Beuller? Anyone?
Marc, Vancouver BC
05/12/11 10:50 PM EST
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Gay
The evidence submitted under oath by scientific experts in multiple courts shows that most people (gay, bi, lesbian, or straight) did not choose it, and cannot choose to change. However, a small segment do claim to change (with and without choosing that change) in one direction or another. Also, if 5.45 is causing division, it is only because the bigots want it that way. There's nothing inherently divisive about it.
Randy, Windsor ON
05/12/11 11:12 PM EST
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Recruiters?
I don't remember being recruited - does anyone else here? If anything we're constantly recruited into a heterosexual lifestyle twenty-four hours a day. Amazingly, we managed to overcome the heterosexist brainwashing. "I believe in G*d, so gay is wrong?" Huh? I believe in G*d - woops, it made ME gay!
phoenix, Vancouver BC
05/13/11 2:58 AM EST
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Shameful Parents
These hateful parents should have their names published to shine the spotlight of disgrace upon them and expose their obviously phoney respectability. No responsible adult in 2011 can acceptably say that only the straight child should be nurtured and that only the straight child has the right to feel safe at school. Kudos to the Board Chairman and Trustee who spoke calmly, with clear concern and compassion for all of the children they serve.
Dwight, Vancouver BC
05/13/11 5:52 PM EST
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It's a sad fact.....
that the influx of minorities to Canada will threaten gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender rights. The majority of parents in this story are Chinese and we know that a lot of resistance comes from the their community as well as from others such as East Indian/Pakistani. It's a shame that people who experience bigotry themselves are some of the first to put it back on us. My husband (same sex) is Filipino/Chinese (I'm white), and we are sad to see so much hatred coming from the minority communities. Of course, soon the Chinese community won't be the minority it will be the majority and our rights will continue to dissipate.
Sean, Vancouver BC
05/13/11 7:56 PM EST
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Failed government policies
It's ironic that many gays supported government policies since the 1960s which called for (1) increased immigration from non-European, socially conservative countries and (2) government funding and support of multiculturalism so that the new immigrants could maintain and develop their socially conservative values in Canada. Now, many of those socially conservative immigrants and their grown adult children are using their numbers and their political clout to support homophobia.
Ben, Toronto Ontario
05/15/11 8:04 AM EST
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Remove Heterosexism
The stated purpose is laudable, but the actual policy document is seriously flawed: The most odious part of the policy is the definition of "HETEROSEXISM" it contains. The definition flies in the face of observable reality and ignores common usage of English terminology. It also makes clearly false and unsupported statements, which coming from an educational body is very disconcerting. The policy reads: "Heterosexism refers to the mistaken assumption that all people are heterosexual and that heterosexuality is superior and the norm by which all other sexual orientation and gender identities are measured. Heterosexism perpetuates negative stereotypes and is dangerous to individuals and communities." 1) It is clearly a "mistaken assumption" that " people are heterosexual", but who on earth actually thinks this? The inclusion of this ridiculous assertion seems intended solely to make the "mistaken assumption" statement true. Having now lead people to accept the "trueness" that this is a "mistaken assumption", they then append false statements and an unsubstantiated assertion to it. 2) It declares that it is a "mistaken assumption" that heterosexuality is normal. When is 95% of the population abnormal? 3) It declares as a "mistaken assumption" that heterosexuality is superior. Heterosexuality is biologically natural, and transmits life bringing new humans into being, perpetuating our species. Gay sex defeats the basic biological purpose of the reproductive system, does not bring new people into existence, and often leads to disease, psychological problems, and death. Which is superior? 4) It then declares that heterosexism "perpetuates negative stereotypes and is dangerous, yet there is no evidence to back up this statement. Homosexuality however is clearly documented to be dangerous. Heto
Burnaby Parent, Burnaby BC
05/16/11 11:46 AM EST
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/\ Hate from above /\
"Homosexuality however is clearly documented to be dangerous" To quote the above parent from Burnaby, BC. May your son grow up to be a Drag Queen you evil SOB.
Kay, Mississauga ON
05/16/11 1:26 PM EST
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????
There is NOTHING dangerous about my and my partners relationship. Do tell what this danger is. It is EXACTLY the same as you and your wife's relationsihp. That is, if you actually were able to find someone to marry that also had no brain.
Marc, Vancouver BC
05/16/11 2:44 PM EST
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Scientific Validation for "Hate"
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/136/6/646.short http://www.homosexinfo.org/Psychiatry/Overview tp://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/88/1/57 http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html http://www.theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/HealthHosx2.htm http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0088.html http://www.jpands.org/vol10no3/lehrman.pdf
Burnaby Parent, Burnaby BC
05/16/11 6:29 PM EST
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Warning about the Burnaby Parent Post
Caution: Some of the quoted sites above seem to contain malware. (viruses, worms, trojans etc.
David Gervais, Vancouver BC
05/16/11 9:44 PM EST
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Burnaby Parent...
You links you provide have long been debunked.Using "Scientific validation" in reference to that is taking quite a creative license. We get it. You are a bigot. The majority of Canada doesn't agree with you and you're pissed about it, so you've turned to malicious propaganda. You can always leave Canada if you don't like it.
Mk_Ultra_Again, Edmonton AB
05/16/11 10:44 PM EST
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Fear Mongering and Lying
David Gervais - You flatly lie - Those sites are very clean - obviously you are afraid of truth being seen. Why do you want to kill gays? If you don't like my offering of sites with valid data. Google your own, or go to a library. There are lots of others. Mk Ultra - Show your evidence. I did. If they are debunked - Prove it. You cannot, because they are valid. PS: There is no real "Safe Sex solution" - Condom use (for anal sex) increases cancer incidence by +60%. http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/09/more-cancer-among-gay-men-california-study-finds/?hpt=T2 Homosexual activity is very very dangerous. Trying to fool mother nature with condoms made with and containing chemicals is both hazardous and polluting. Add those FACTS to the high suicide rate, and it leads on to presume that gays are largely self-destructive. Perhaps there is an underlying psychosis that leads to these dangerous and deadly activities? Perhaps name calling isn't the cause of gay suicides. Lots of other groups get called names, are excluded, and socially isolated, but they don't have such high suicide rrates. IF You call ten groups bad names, an only one group kills themselves - maybe there is something in the group itslef that is different. Blaming other people instead of dealing with your own issues is counter productive, and in this case deadly.
Burnaby Parent, Burnaby BC
05/17/11 8:49 AM EST
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Burnaby Troll
This so called "Burnaby Parent" has apparently stumbled upon this site or maybe they have been coming here for years. They obviously are getting off on this back and forth as they spread their misinformation and hate. I say we ignore them from this point on.
Dave, Vancouver BC
05/17/11 11:48 AM EST
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Hey Burnaby Parent
My partner and I don't use condoms and are totally healthy, just like you and your stupid partner. SO THERE! There is dangerous straight sex happening ALL AROUND THE WORLD RIGHT NOW AS I TYPE THIS YOU BIGOT!!!!!!!
Marc, van bc
05/17/11 5:27 PM EST
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Fact Check
Burnaby Parent, calling me names does not add to your credibility. The malware risk from the sites you list is real. People deserve to be warned. If you personally have not been hit it is because your systems are up to date. I assure that attempts have been made. I did not tell people not to look, or disparage the sites you quoted. Also, the author of the study you quote has specifically said that there are many possible reasons for the study results. Yes, the study is important, however, co-variance is not causation. And BTW, other groups subject to bigoted attacks do have higher suicide rates than others.
David Gervais, Vancouver BC
05/17/11 6:01 PM EST
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burnaby parent
...along with the other parents who oppose 5.45 should be ashamed of themselves. these parents really need to get a grip if they think that this policy is somehow going to teach kids how to be gay. looks like these parents need to go back to school themselves.
jason, vancouver bc
05/17/11 7:05 PM EST
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Correllation is not Causation
David Gervais: You agree correllation is not necessarily causation - thank you for making my point. BTW other groups do not have similar suicide:bigotry coefficients. Catholic youth are subjected to constant derision and exclusion - particularly by gays these days....yet Catholic youth have a lower than average suicide rate. (Google "anti-Catholic" for stats.) Anti-Catholic bigotry by gays is rooted in ignorance and is very real hate. The actual fact is that Catholic teaching regarding gays is the most even handed and caring of all religious teachings. gays and Straights are all called to the exact same standard! Again: check VALID sources - Look up Catechism 2358 - 2359 and you'll find caring and supportive teachings like "...constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives..." The "Objectively Disordered" part of the statement is almost always misrepresented. Don't doubt that the language was very carefully chosen. Objective refers to reproduction, which makes sense for a reproductive system. Ordered means actions that fit in with natures obvious purpose. Objectively disordered simply means homosex will never reproduce a human being.
Burnaby Parent, Burnaby BC
05/17/11 8:55 PM EST
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Marc recommends Abstinence
Nuff said. BTW: condoms have a 17% failure rate in protecting against HPV You only need to have "protected sex" 5-10 times to get infected . http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+barrier+performance+of+latex+rubber-a014089514 PS: Marc which sites precisely are the risky ones? Practice safe computing.
Burnaby Parent, Burnaby BC
05/17/11 9:49 PM EST
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Burnaby Troll
Don't you get it this guy or gal is really getting off on posting and you all are taking the bait. Leave it alone and it will go away. They obviously are having a blast baiting you. Actually "burnaby parent" sounds a lot like a nutbar who was on here a few months back spouting off in the same way.
Dave, Vancouver BC
05/17/11 10:08 PM EST
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Entrenched Bigotry
If there is one thing LGBT and Catholics have in common it's persecution, hatred, and bigotry. However, the anti-Catholic miondset is endemic to western culture. No one thinks for a second that saying "Jesus Christ" or "God damn" when they stub their toe or miss their bus might offend anyone. But if someone said Faggot or Dyke when they stub their toe, all hell breaks loose. Anti-Catholicism is the most rampant hateful form of bigotry and is even written into law. Canada's head of state, Queen Elizabeth's official website states "A Roman Catholic is specifically excluded". http://www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRoyalFamily/Successionandprecedence/Succession/Overview.aspx If it said LGBTQ's excluded... there would be new school policies demanded all over the globe.
Burnaby Parent, Burnaby BC
05/17/11 10:27 PM EST
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People deserve to be warned
David. You said it. What puzzles me is why you would recommend AVOIDING activites that are risky when it comes to mere computer surfing, yet advocate activites that are far more risky when it comes to sex? Are computers more valuable than human lives and health? You owe it to yourselves to not only know the risks, but to take appropriate action. Your advice is to avoid those.
Buranby Parent, Burnaby BC
05/17/11 10:34 PM EST
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(Non) Facts and the Burnaby Parent
B P: You wrote that I: "...advocate activites that are far more risky when it comes to sex?" Just where did I say that? It seems you are pulling the old religious strategy of making up quotes and (non) facts when you can't defend your illogical assumptions.
David Gervais, Vancouver BC
05/18/11 12:27 AM EST
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Urgent A New rally is being planned
A new rally is being planned by Burnaby Parents, AKA Willingdon Chinese Born Again Christian Church (the hate church) for Tuesday May 24th in front of the Burnaby School Board on Kincaid Street at 6pm. LGBT community please take time to come and support this important policy and show these anti homophobic individiuals that we wont stand for this bullshit. Dawn
Dawn, Burnaby BC
05/18/11 12:12 PM EST
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Sorry Burnaby Parent
You lost me.
Marc, Vancouver BC
05/18/11 1:09 PM EST
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Burnaby Parent
So you couldn't be bothered to keep your irrationality and paranoia confined to our school board meetings, and have taken it upon yourself to spread false equivalencies and downright lies about the policy here on the internet as well. I wonder if you'll have the courage of your convictions on Tuesday. I'm MORE than happy to debate you at the school board meeting. Just you and me, one 'concerned parent' against a former student this policy would have protected, had it been in effect when I was in school. You are capable of actually defending your point in a logical manner, aren't you? And if you're truly sure you're in the right, you shouldn't have any concerns about whether you'd 'lose' this debate or not. I'll be waiting, but I suspect you'll just retreat to your army of intolerant, uninformed and paranoid comrades, hoping that if you make enough noise and scream enough fallacies, the policy will go away. Time to put up or shut the hell up, but one way or another you and your ilk are going to end this systematic attack against children. I'd really rather you just not show up, save some kind of dignity instead of having your lies exposed to the media for what they really are, but if you're a glutton for punishment... As for the rest of your paranoid delusions, they speak for themselves, and nothing would please me more than to see your false concern for the lives of others be exposed. I'm not especially sure what my life, or ANYONE ELSE'S life for that matter, has to do with how you live your life. I certainly can't understand why YOU need to barge into other people's lives, simply because you don't like the idea of them having the same rights you have. In this country, we have legal rights and you will just have to learn to deal with the fact that you can't be intolerant of others here. If that thought offends you, you have the right and the freedom to leave, perhaps you'll take that offer up if you're so damn upset by the new policy.
Trevor, Burnaby BC
05/20/11 3:10 AM EST
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To Burnaby Parent
First of all, being Gay or Lesbian or Transgendered is not a choice, but let us pretend the religious right is correct that homosexuality is a choice. Well, if that is a reason to withdraw human rights protection or for schools not to ensure anti-homophobia measures are not in place, then human rights protections based on religion and anti-bullying measures to protect religious groups in schools also have to be withdrawn since religion is a matter of choice. Opponents of anti-homophobia measures in school also have to keep in mind that Christian teens who choose not to be sexually active or get involved in the dating game are also frequent victims of homophobic bullying and harassment because of that choice. Schools exist to fight ignorance-- and it is time to fight homophobic ignorance. The lives and safety of all children depend on it.
Wayne Madden, Edmonton Alberta
05/20/11 10:11 AM EST
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DEAR EXTRA EDITOR
Why was this issue not on the cover instead of the cheesy, crass and rather infantile piece you chose with ANAL ENTREE? This is a very real and scary situation happening right here in our backyard. The influx of (certain) immigrants is changing the balance of rights in this region and needs to be addressed.
Robert, VANCOUVER British Columbia
05/21/11 10:38 PM EST
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