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Wednesday, December 8, 2010

Who is filling out the Community Advisory Panel survey?

At the completion of the third public panel hosted by the (Pride Toronto) Community Advisory Panel, Xtra's Andrea Houston asked panel member Michael Went if the results of the panel's online survey could be manipulated by a single user completing the survey multiple times. Went responded that multiple contributions from the same IP address were specifically allowed, but he wasn't concerned since “Survey Monkey has many tools to track that sort of thing.”

A quick glance at the Survey Monkey FAQ reveals that he's correct; the service allows users to filter results according to IP address. However, a stroll through some of Canada's most popular anti-gay blogs makes one think they might want to look into a tool that can also filter out homophobes.

In a recent post titled "Here's a little survey you should take…"  the Canadian blog Blazing Cat Fur urged its readers to fill out the panel's survey. Several months ago this same blog referred to Pride as Toronto's "Bitchy Flamer Parade," and a quick glance at the responses to "Sodomy - it's a Canadian Value" reveals that most of BCF's readers are neither fans of Pride nor gay. 

In another post, the blog's author condemns our own fab magazine for its "denigrating content" (for the naughty bits - eek!) and blasts InsideOut for screening a "pedophiliac wish dream" (watch Pat Mills's charming Babysitting Andy and judge for yourself).

Maybe the A (for "ally") in Pride Toronto's revised mission statement needs a subcategory? Feel free to post your suggestions in the comments section below. 

Went also told Houston the panel had received 760 completed surveys. We're wondering how many of those were filled out by Blazing Cat Fur's loyal readers, or by those who share BCF's contempt for Pride? 

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 1:33 PM

Pride is a bitchy flamer parade!

Blazingcatfur ir


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 1:19 PM

Why can't the public fill out the survey if the PUBLIC pays for it?!?! Gimme a break! 'Bitchy Flamer Parade' is sounding more and more accurate!

Kelly Leblanc ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 1:28 PM

Every year TPP becomes a bigger em*bare-ass*ment. QUAIA participation just makes it worse!

Don Sharpe ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:42 PM

I'm kinda wonderin' what a "homophobe" filter would look like...

I think the "bitchy flamer parade" could use a filter for Jew haters.

Natasha tr


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:29 PM

I read Blazing Cat Fur AND have attended and supported every Pride for the last 10 years. Even this year, though I objected to the participation of the anti-Israel hate group. If Pride wants to be a publicly financed event, it has to accept public participation. If they object, then they should go private and do whatever they like.

Rick ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:55 PM

A quick glance at this person's website tells you all you need to know. He is an all purpose bigot, LGBTQ, Jews (or at least Jews who work for groups like B'nai Brith and Canadian Jewish Congress), Muslims, others. Why do we really care?

Jean Paul ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 2:54 PM

Sorry, but gays and gay organizations are not and should not be beyond criticism, even mocking criticism.

And if you're going to have online surveys they must open to all, not just those whose opinions you approve of.

Gays made progress in society by exploiting freedom of expression, even when that expression was offensive to many. Don't try to close that door behind you.

rabbit ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:46 PM

""Sodomy - it's a Canadian Value" reveals most of their readers are neither fans of Pride nor queers."

Not a fan of Pride, not queer? Heavens, I (and most of Pride's corporate and governmental sponsors) were under the impression that Pride was a community - rather than strictly "queer" - event.

Apparently we were mistaken.

Jay ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:36 PM

Jean Paul,

"all purpose bigot"? You must be fucking joking. BCF is a better friend to Jews than most Jews are themselves. He speaks out against those who would stifle free expression. Remember THAT struggle that queers have fought for decades? And Muslims? No dumbass, not your run-of-the-mill Muslims. Radical, fundamentalist Muslims who want to subjugate Jews, Christians, Hindus and anyone else who won't bow down to Islamists. Oh yeah, one more thing, these Jew-hating jihadists believe in EXECUTING queers. Maybe you folks might consider speaking out about that rather than let a small group of Jew haters falsely accuse Israel of being a racist state at your parade - a state that takes in queers from "palestine" who rightly fear torture and death in the Islamist hell-hole they come from.

Sarah ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:05 PM

@Jay - A quick history lesson. The Pride parade, or formerly the Gay Pride parade, was started by queers, for queers, to show the rest of the community, especially the haters, that we are proud of who we are, and couldn't give a rat's ass about their hate. It has since evolved into a more positive and inclusive event, and rightly so. But don't be so disingenuous as to think that it is not still a mostly queer event, because it is. Now you know.

Tony ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 3:09 PM

Tony, then why not have a 'private parade'? Seems the parades are quite public, on public streets, oh, and some public funding too.

Vicki ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 4:27 PM

Vicki, when the Greek community has a parade on the Danforth for their national holiday, is there are large contingent of members of the Sikh community marching with them? And when Caribana takes over the Lakeshore, do you recall ever seeing bagpipes and kilts? Are they being exclusive? Should they be "private parades"? Parades get some public funding in Toronto, because without it, the costs would be prohibitive, and we wouldn't have parades. That doesn't mean that they can't be geared toward a certain community. We've accepted that different communities celebrating their identity in this way is a public good. Pride is just as open to the wider community as any other large scale celebration in Toronto. The notion of a "private parade" simply doesn't make sense.

Tony ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 4:41 PM

If the surveyors notice that they get a lot of public responses condemning the participation of Queers Against Israel Apartheid, then maybe for once they should pay attention to it.

For certain there are now hundreds of very pissed off-people very prepared to lobby both municipal and corporate sponsors to discourage racism @ Pride or kill the funding.

Yes it really is that simple.

Holden ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 5:02 PM

Your English is atrocious.

"how many of those were filled out either by this blog's loyal readers or by those who share its contempt for Pride?"

the way it's written means that 'this blog' has contempt for pride.

tsk, tsk.

Backseat Blogger ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 5:16 PM

@Holden: It seems to me the issue in the article is not those who oppose QUAIA's inclusion in last year's Pride parade, but the possibility of people who, for whatever reason, may be stuffing the survey with their anti-Pride, anti-queer responses in order to skew the results. They may care nothing about the QUAIA issue at all and are just latching on to it for convenience. The Pride Community Advisory Panel is hardly likely to consider the opinions of people who want to do away with Pride altogether.

Tony ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 5:04 PM

Israel is a thousand times more tolerant of gays or queers (as you like to call yourselves) than Palestine is.

Why are you queers taking the side of the people who want to do you harm and would if they could?

Islamic nations are a thousand times less tolerant of homosexuality than Western nations are.

Why are you taking the side of the nations that want to do you harm and would if they could ?

If you want the sympathy of straight people maybe you should start by doing stuff that is logical.

Friend of USA ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 5:34 PM

Thanks Andrea for drawing the CAP and our LGBTT2SQ Community's attention to this latest development re: straight and Gay homo-hating Zionists trying to hijack Pride and the CAP process. Here are the links to these two toxic blogs. Reading them you can see how invested they are in excluding anyone and everyone, but namely QuAIA, who they do not agree with. Our community and our Pride Festival was created by brave members of our LGBTT2SQ community standing up to this very type oppression, intolerance and hatred!!! The Zionists who create and project this hatred, try to divide our LGBTT2SQ community, steal our PCFS signs, grab our QuAIA banners from out of our hands, hurl glass bottles at our QuAIA contingents injuring our marchers, grab cameras from our videographers hands, throw garbage and shout hateful abuse at our QuAIA contingent while engaging in ongoing verbally abusive and physically violent assaults that threaten and intimidate Pride Toronto, The City, our marchers and those who cheer us on from the sidelines... are NO different than than those homophobic zealots and bullies who bash and kill and destroy those in our LGBTT2SQ community who want to exercize their right to be out and proud without being defamed, bullied, shouted at, and attacked and all to silence us and drive us back into the closets. Well, we are here and Queer and we have a right to criticize Israel and to say "No!" to Israel's Pinkwashing Campaign!!! We will not be used by anyone!!!blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/.../...should-take.html


eyecrazy.blogspot.com/.../...w-what-you-think.html

Di ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 5:00 PM

@Backseat Blogger

Thanks for the tip. Updated.

Justin Stayshyn ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 5:35 PM

@Di...I don't think anyone could have written..a more hysterical response.

The anger against Pride by straights, Jews and others is that Pride has allowed itself to serve a racist hostile political hate group, which we think is a perversion of the intent of Pride.

If Pride insists upon playing games and continues to welcome these frauds and racists, then public and corporate funding deserve to be discouraged.

This is quite different than condemning Pride for it's display of alternative sexuality, which very few of us are interested in doing.

Holden ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 5:45 PM

I suggest you read Gideon Levy, Norman Finklestein and Haaretz and that you reflect long and hard on the violence and hatred that the Zionists, who you seem to support, have brought into our Pride Toronto Event. Every year that QuAIA has marched, the Zionists have aggressively attacked out contingent, threatened Pride and the City to exclude us and, when that was ultimately unsuccessful, marched with the Jewish Defense League (identified by the FBI and Israel and banned in Israel and elsewhere as a terrorist group)and behaved so aggressively that QuAIA required police protection. I hope that you and the Zionist Movement you support will seek to accept our presence in the Pride Marches and Parade, as we accept Kulanu's. However, your ongoing violence and hatred that continually targets QuAIA must stop.You and your Zionist Movement friends do not have the right to continue this frightening and damaging behavior. Please, learn to march in peace, as we do!!!

Di ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 6:41 PM

Pride has an interesting decision coming up. Allow a hate group that wants to deligitimize the only country in the middle east that recognizes Gay rights hijack the parade, or lose all public funding and most of its corporate sponsors. A narrow group of fanatical bigots who deceitfully claim to speak for the entire Gay community may sabotage Pride, and that would be a tragedy.

Rick ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 6:30 PM


"steal our PCFS signs, grab our QuAIA banners from out of our hands, hurl glass bottles at our QuAIA contingents injuring our marchers, grab cameras from our videographers hands, throw garbage and shout hateful abuse at our QuAIA contingent while engaging in ongoing verbally abusive and physically violent assaults that threaten and intimidate Pride Toronto...."

Wow! That's some list of violent crimes! Any of the hundreds of thousands of people and cops there see this blood thirsty crowd of racists attack? Surely charges were laid for the assaults and persecution you suffered, right?

Gay community of Toronto, do you really want a bullshitting whack job like "Di" and her anti-semitic friends to have the power to taint your parade and community as a whole? You guys should be renouncing their hypocrisy.

Sarah ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 6:38 PM

Di,

Your anti-Semitism is rabid:

“The Zionists who create and project this hatred, try to divide our LGBTT2SQ community…”

“…the Zionists have aggressively attacked…”

“…you and the Zionist Movement you support…”

“You and your Zionist Movement friends do not have the right to continue this frightening and damaging behavior.”

Your obsession with the Jewish state is bordering on the insane. Aside from your unfounded accusations of assault hurled at “Zionists”, Rick said it best:

“A narrow group of fanatical bigots who deceitfully claim to speak for the entire Gay community may sabotage Pride, and that would be a tragedy.”

Yes, that would be you QuAIA, the “fanatical bigots” who are rabidly infatuated with the results of an existential defensive war against neighbouring Muslim states who have avowed to destroy Israel and kill Jews as written in the Quran and Hadiths. Only you seem to think Israel is the bad guy while the Muslim states who wish to destroy Israel and regularly kill homosexuals are the good guys. You guys might as well wear swastikas. The QuAIA are nothing but a bunch of gay Nazis…and not “gay” in a good way.

Kaffir_Kanuck ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 6:47 PM

And why isn't Aghanistan on the flag list? Officially, there may not be any gay Muslims or Pashtuns here, but there certainly is a lot of buggery goin' on by the locals. Just ask the "dancin' boys."

Kaffir_Kanuck ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 6:02 PM

Someone has yet to convince me how QuAIA is an anti-semitic political 'hate' group for criticizing Israeli state policies that trample the human rights of Palestinians, both queer and straight. Would you like to include Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu in that slanderous terminology?

Talk about hysterical.

ladytoronto ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 7:11 PM

Someone of questionable insight and comprehension posted a link to my blog and referred to it as "straight and Gay homo-hating Zionists trying to hijack Pride and the CAP process. Here are the links to these two toxic blogs." While I'm having a little difficulty understanding precisely what "straight and Gay homo-hating" is supposed to mean, there is an important clarification needed. Evidently that person has some intellectual deficit which prevents them from understanding that "Pro-gay rights" which is one of the founding principles of my blog, means I am not "homo hating." One of the reasons I support Israel is that it respects Gay rights, which places it in sharp contrast to the homophobes being supported by the "Queers Against Israeli Apartheid" group. If anything, the fact that they would attack a Gay-positive, democratic country to support those who persecute and kill Gay people because of their sexual orientation suggests a certain self-hatred among that anti-Israel group. The Community Advisory Panel is engaging in a democratic process and is seeking public participation. It seems some people only value democracy when they can dictate who participates in it. That is not respect for democracy, but it is revealing about the nature of many in the anti-Israel movement.

Eye on a Crazy Planet ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 7:44 PM

may I again state, that criticism of certain Israeli state policies, (as noted in the Goldstone Report conducted by the United Nations, for those who need some background www2.ohchr.org/.../factfindingmission.htm), does not constitute 'hate' or 'anti-semitism' or 'anti-Israeli' sentiment nor does it warrant the slanderous application of terms such as 'fanatical bigots' or 'gay-nazis'.

This kind of targeted rhetoric and name-calling does nothing to shed light on the real issues. It is, however, hysterical.

ladytoronto ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 7:02 PM

LMAO @ "people obsessed with quaia who wouldn't otherwise give a fuck about pride" Maybe they should add an extra "AA" in the acronym for "anti-allies"??

Though it is entertaining to see the temper tantrums all you idiots throw over this... it's especially funny to see how you accuse us of racism just because we don't hate Muslims the way you think we should!

I suspect maybe some of you guys have queer envy. Too bad you were born boring straight people and none of us care what you think. Better luck next lifetime.

But of course that won't stop you from trying. So now in the words of the great Rick Moranis (ala Dark Helmet):

"KEEP FIRING ASSHOLES!"

Savannah ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 7:40 PM

@Ladytoronto:
"Someone has yet to convince me how QuAIA is an anti-semitic political 'hate' group for criticizing Israeli state policies..."

I'm sorry, but we've heard this dodge before.
The very name "Queers Against Israel Apartheid" is a fraudulent premise. A lie. A distortion. A "blood" libel against the Jews.

Israel is not and has never been by any measure... an apartheid state or regime. That's part one. For part 2 we have to ask "what is Quaia's agenda?" The agenda is simple. The kooks taking part in this little project are singularly focused upon the delegitimization and eventual violent destruction of the single Jewish country in the world.

That is their intention. And it is only slightly masked.

Some of this aberrant philosophy is a remnant of the now defunct Soviet regime thought, now obsessing the political left. It is also substantially encouraged by radical Islam..yes, those same nice people who brought us 9/11. And it's part of the Arab world's international war against the Jews.

Israel has been trying to make a deal with the Arabs. But the Arabs aren't interested in a deal when they think they can get it all. So all through years of negotiations they have been playing for time and waging asymmetrical war against the Jews at the same time. Part of this war has spilled over into our streets and infected our universities and labour unions too.

The Israel Apartheid scam has never been about Israel's policies. And even if it were, what has this to do with Toronto's Pride Parade?

The reason we're talking about it now, is because frauds, racists, & terrorist cheerleaders are capitalizing on a liberal democratic weakness that treats all creeds equally.

It's a done deal that they've "reeled in" the management of Pride Parade several years going.

This year could be different because the public will not abide taxpayer funds going to support this shit any more.

Holden ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 7:23 PM

Um, we "hate" the Muslims that persecute and murder gays. It's somewhat shocking that you people have no problem with that. Israel has Gay Pride, btw, and the neighbouring Muslim countries do not. You might want to reflect on that for a moment.

Ellie in T.O. ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:15 PM

Lady Toronto,

You’re digging yourself a hole. Jimmy Carter is a noted Dhimmi, Desmond Tutu is an avowed anti-Semite, and the Goldstone Report has been noted for its overt anti-Semitism as documented by many agencies including UN Watch.

German law professor Christian Tomuschat, who performed legal work for Yasser Arafat, and was the anti-Israeli and anti-American official heading the UN Committee to enforce the Goldstone Report has resigned. It was easier for him to do so than answer the uncomfortable questions regarding the lies in his committee’s report.

It is always amazing how fixated folk like you are on the accusations of Israelis “trampling” on human rights while ignoring the free health care it provides to 90% of the so-called Palestinians. That you ignore the inherent religiously fuel hatred by most Palestinians, who only began calling themselves that after the Yom Kippur War, speaks volumes of your ignorance of the history and the reality of the situation in the Middle East.

And for Savanah,

You typically bandy the accusation of “hate” when anyone criticizes the skewed illogical assertions of the politics in the ME when, in fact, it is those who follow the ideological fanaticism of Islam who practice and preach hate. The QuAIA might protest Israel’s right to defend itself, but by ignoring how gays are treated in Islam isn’t going to keep you from the gallows if you should ever happen to find yourself within one of their republics.

Pride should stick to its message of community inclusion through exhibitionism and keep out of world politics and making assertions about who the haters are. If Pride keeps poking sticks at the only tolerant nation towards gays in the Middle East, it’ll only reduce the amount of public support it has. And when that goes, so does the funding.

Of course, you could always try and get some funding from Palestinian House. I hear they’re big fans of homosexuals.

Kaffir_Kanuck ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:23 PM

that's what I like to see: sustained discussion of the issues rather than 'dodging': way to go Kaffir_Kanuck!

ladytoronto ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:32 PM

btw Holden when you say "The kooks taking part in this little project are singularly focused upon the delegitimization and eventual violent destruction of the single Jewish country in the world", I guess you are also referring to the members of my Jewish family who live in Israel?

Puuhl-eease.

ladytoronto ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:44 PM

We've held multiple events at Palestine House and have a great relationship with them. Your false assumption that they will not work with us, when in fact they do, gives away your belief that anyone Arab/Muslim/non-white hates queers. That is a racist belief. The world is more complex than you realize and I will point out there are positive forces at work in that part of the world on this issue.

We criticize homophobia in other parts of the world at the right time and place. Why would we bother doing it in front of a bunch of Canadians who (supposedly) already agree with us? Just to score cheap political points from a simplistic idiot like you?

Savannah ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:54 PM

@Lady Toronto. I don't care if your father is a Rabbi.

It's not news that one of the kinks of this multi-faceted "hate Israel" fad is that there are some Jews in the movement...and quite often they're pushed to the front to be used to deflect charges of antisemitism.

Those involved tend to be disaffected or self-hating or have any number of complex reasons and problems for doing what they do. They've always been around, and they've always been a very small representation and by no means the norm.

Some of the better known ones are of course that disgraced "academic" Norman Finkelstein (We are all Hezbollah), and politically kooky MIT Linguist Noam Chomski, who wrote the forward to a book by a notorious French Holocaust denier....

There are others. Often academics or would-be academics. As indicated earlier, it travels through academia and the labour unions.



Holden ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:53 PM

Here's your Palestine House Savannah: "We love Jihad we love killing you" video -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qm3fU04xUw Palestine House Part 2; "You guys need another Holocaust" "You F%ckers need another Holocaust" Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u27FywG28yM These rae the "positive forces" at work at Palestine House Savannah.

Blazingcatfur ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 10:33 PM

This whole situation is reminiscent of the cultivation of useful idiots in western societies as practiced by the communists in the nineteen forties, fifties and on up through the nineties.

Their object then was to sway public opinion in favour of the socialist ideal and away from the democratic system. They were simply impressionable people who were operated as puppets.

My thoughts, for what they are worth, are that this group of anti Semitic agitators (useful idiots)are being operated by some background entity in much the same way. Sad to see this sort of thing reinvented in the hopes of tarring and feathering Israel.

Richard from Oshawa ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 10:51 PM

It's obvious that neither of you are interested in informed discussion: just rhetoric and name calling. That you would deign to call me 'self-hating' or any other characterization without ever having met me or engaged in real debate, is just another example of the kind of violence the perpetuates social conflict and war. You've already made up your mind to hate, and there is nothing I can do about it.

You are the kind of people who anti-discrimination laws are meant to protect minorities against.

ladytoronto ca


Wednesday, December 8, 2010 10:09 PM

If the issue is BCF or his followers stuffing your survey with unacceptable opinions perhaps next time limit who gets to take the survey, by membership perhaps? Its either public or it isnt. If its public event, funded publicly, with an open survey then stop whining. Otherwise, close ranks and limit input. Simple.

Mulhim ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 12:23 AM

In fact the reason for a public survey is to get the public's view. A lot of people are disgusted with the participation of QuAIA in your parade. Did you know that according to their own statistics Iran has no gays? That's because the government pays for sex-change operations so that they can claim that. Otherwise they are killed. The biggest mosque in Britain was teaching their women that GLBTs "should be thrown from the highest point"(mountain was mentioned)and killed." On the other hand Israel has nothing against GLBT. Why do you support the one group that would do whatever they can to wipe you out,while parading against the only country in the Middle East that doesn't?

GCBC ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 2:27 AM

I'm neither anti- nor pro-Arab or Israeli. Both sides have legitimate beefs. And both sides have managed for decades to cover themselves in each other's blood. But I do notice that people who criticize Israel are often labeled "anti-semitic", not "anti-Israel". So anyone who opposes the actions of Israel, either the people or the government, is a racist? How does that follow? This is the ultimate dodge. It dodges common sense.

Tony ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 3:37 AM

I wonder when Israel copied Canada's Indian Act? South Africa did and labelled it Apartheid in the 1950s. Apartheid in South Africa is a copy of Canada's Indian Act.(still in place in Canada ) Think about it if your going to say another country practices Apartheid and yet we or most of us live in a country that South Africa used to create Apartheid system then I really do not know who are the stupid, the propagandists, and what newspaper endures them and spreads their twisted politics(they say not officially but it not hard to tell their bias) and then force their world view on to everyone who questions them. The sad part this is a well known fact among people who study the past when it comes to the link between Canada's Indian Act and South African Apartheid.(denied it all you want)

The problem here is far leftest groups hate to be questioned and rather force people to agree with their view points and even use the term racist to silence people and it seems even if they are blinded by this. When it comes to Israel they seem to be even more racist at times and then use "people who criticize Israel are often labeled "anti-semitic", not "anti-Israel". So anyone who opposes the actions of Israel, either the people or the government" to justify their actions and this what other Anti Israel groups use too. I wonder why most in the Jewish community would have a problem with this when the far left always says how Zionist control the government or even the media . Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and yet the so called real racists say they same the lines so I wonder why people would have a problem with this or even the City of Toronto, government of Ontario and Federal Government( and it is border line hate )


Here's a solution and it is fair. Ban both pro Israel and Pro Palestinian groups from Pride and tell them to fuck off and leave it for either the Pro Israel protests or the Pro Palestinian Protests (or Israel Apartheid Week. Also this is not censorship since either side fail to give a reason why this is even a Gay Issue. QuAIA even fails on this one when they gave Israeli Programing from a Private Media Company in Israel and labeled it Israeli Government Propaganda or the story from Al Jazeera about the Tel Aviv night club attack from some nut case and saying it was the Israeli government when as you read the story the it does say every political party including the President and the Prime Minister of Israel condemned the attack and calling it a attack on the whole country, also all Israeli Political Parties did the same even the ones with homophobia elements in their ideology or tell them to read Haaretz, when in reality they are like any other media outlet and in this case they have the same ideology as them and many writers for Haaretz are rather critical of the Israeli government and many Pro Israel groups do the same such as promoting Anti Israel themed films on their website these films get funding by the Israeli government also even promotes Haaretz and their writers. Anti Israel groups do the same or protest them even if they know the film or Haaretz in their favor or TIFF 09 (reason why I do question the far left branding Israel as Apartheid)

Pride should have told both sides to just FUCK OFF

Peter From ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 4:03 AM

The question that is a common them is this Anti Semitic? I say Yes and No.

Yes because what usually gets said about Israel are in some cases are lies(a lot of them)and then blaming the Jewish Community or members of this group in Canada or Internationality. This does including attacking Jewish Community Centres or even places of worship. Most recorded cases of these are not coming from traditional Anti Semitic groups or elements but does have the theme of traditional Antisemitism even if they think or say it is Anti Racist (just as a note traditional elements can be seen on this comment forum). No because in a lot of cases even Zionist Groups question the Israeli government and even their treatment of Palestinians. The JDL for example is considered a Terrorist organization even by the ADL of the B'nai Birth.

Peter From ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 8:20 AM

We have so far received 925 responses to the survey conducted by the Community Advisory Panel to Pride Toronto! We continue to accept responses to the survey, available at www.communityadvisorypanel.ca. Recently, some concerns have been raised.

One concern is that an individual may be able to respond to the survey multiple times. It was intended this way to allow various individuals within the same household who share a computer to each complete the survey. For example, each member of a couple may wish to complete the survey separately, so that each of their views are recorded independently.

SurveyMonkey, the tool used to conduct the survey, has features to identify and filter responses by IP address, date, and other factors. For more information about SurveyMonkey, visit: help.surveymonkey.com/.../1

The second concern is that allegedly homophobic blogs are encouraging their (presumably also homophobic) readers to complete the survey. The Community Advisory Panel will be reading the surveys. We would attempt to identify and remove surveys that are clearly not supportive of LGBTTIQQ2SA communities.

We should clarify that the survey should be considered as one form of input, in addition to the in-person public consultations, quick surveys from the public consultations, targeted consultations, and direct correspondence that we have received. Survey results cannot be considered a type of "vote" or "referendum" on any particular issue. Members of the community advisory panel are fully aware that LGBTTIQQ2SA rights have not necessarily been won through majority rule. We do not have plans for specific weighting of the survey compared to the other forms of input.

For example, the survey asks demographic questions such as sexual orientation, gender identity, race, ethnicity, age, etc. in hopes to obtain input from a diverse range of the communities it serves. This demographic information will be considered as we develop our recommendations, to account for the diversity of voices who provided input.

We believe that it is important that all voices be heard in this community advisory process. We continue to believe that the survey is a valuable way for individuals to provide their input. Please continue to spread the word about the survey.

The purpose of the panel is to provide the Board of Pride Toronto with strategic recommendations to protect and advance the overall objectives of "Pride," ensure that those objectives are reflective of the community’s priorities, while recognizing and valuing diversity, equity and respectful expression. We look forward to hearing your ideas on how to move Pride forward!

Michael Went ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 8:57 AM

P.S. As a reminder, the Pride Community Advisory Panel is tasked with looking at a wide variety of issues and concerns. Some of the issues we are asking about include: Community Relations
Corporate and Government Funding
Entertainment
Marches and Parade
Purpose and Values of Pride
Other Recommendations and Ideas to improve Pride

Thank you!

Michael Went ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 9:08 AM

I think a distinction should be drawn between 'straights' and 'allies' - just because someone is not gay or lesbian doesn't make them an enemy of Pride or of the community. At the same time, just because they are gay or lesbian doesn't make them a friend. And ALLIES means exactly that - not just everyone else that doesnt identify as anything queer. So no subcategories are needed - all those people that are not Allies don't fit under the name, they belong in the group of non-allies. And yes, if its a public event the public should be allowed to have their say as well.

Lianne ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 10:32 AM

Hey QAIA, can we expect you to march in the parade condemning THIS:

"Turkey's military doesn't just discriminate against gays -- it humiliates them."

www.foreignpolicy.com/.../do_ask_must_tell

Of course not, there are no Jews involved. It's these kinds of facts that prove QAIA is anti-semitic. It is the very definition of anti-semitism. Singling out Jews while remaining absolutely silent on atrocities like this.

Human rights advocates my ass.

Sarah ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 10:40 AM

And then there's this:

Rachel Maddow Interviews David Bahati, Author Of Ugandan 'Kill The Gays' Bill (VIDEO)

www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...a-gays_n_794271.html

Sarah ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 1:01 PM

Does anyone else find it hilarious that "Savannah" (a seemingly overwhelming supporter of the LGBTT2SQ community - or possibly a LGBTT2SQ person him/herself) has a so-called "GREAT" relationship with Palestine House?!?! Last time I checked they were still hanging, torturing and murdering homosexuals in Gaza and the West Bank... How much weirder (or hypocritical) can you be Savannah??

Kelly Leblanc ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 1:22 PM

I really don't get the mentality of Pride teaming up with QAIA. Really, explain the logic. So, when are you going to have QAEA (Egypt) and QUAJA (Jordan)? Because last time I checked, these countries boarder Palastine. Yet, you want Israel to open up it's boarder to people who want to wipe Israel off the map. The only country in the middle east that queers are safe. You make no sense at all.

Leanne ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 1:27 PM

I'm surprised Xtra is allowing all these offensive homophobic comments on here. Matt Mills you've been interjecting in other conversations (which is a little strange for an editor in the first place) I'm wondering why you are allowing homophobes to rant on our site?

ange ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 2:46 PM

Ange: Why don't you apply the same principle ("our site") and call it "our parade" and NOT ACCEPT PUBLIC FUNDS to disseminate "your" anti-Semetic rhetoric!

Kelly Leblanc ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 4:13 PM

These comments are making me more and more annoyed. The Zionists are insane to make QUAIA participation in Toronto Pride Parade an issue giving it much more of a headline. I love the Jewish community but this kind of righteously aggressive behaviour is a huge TURN-OFF! Dislike!! Pride is not about you...and you continuously make it about Israel's nationalism. Puke!!

Rolland Angel ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 4:27 PM

Rolland - As far as I knew "Pride" wasn't about singling out a country and false accusations about Human Rights.

James M pk


Thursday, December 9, 2010 4:00 PM

Roland,are you under the false assumption that only jews would find QUIA offensive? I'm not Jewish, but I find QUIA disgusting. I'm not gay, but I find homophobes disgusting. Dividing your support base over prejudice is also disgusting.

Leanne ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 4:41 PM

Spellig. Damn. Should be QUAIA

Leanne ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 4:08 PM

LOL, I need my glasses. Look does any of this make sense to the queer community? Can you see our point?

Leanne ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 4:14 PM

and the QuAIA always show their white hoods every single time. I wonder why people see this group as a hate group

WTF ca


Thursday, December 9, 2010 5:31 PM

Ange, what homophobic comments?

Sarah ca


Friday, December 10, 2010 11:39 AM

@Justin Stayshyn
i'm glad to see u corrected yr posts grammar. i'm hardly a stickler but u were saying the opposite of what u meant.

@everyone else

i found ths a very interesting thread to read.

the posting was about whether or not a particular survey was freeped or not.

the comments were starting to drift but it was only with the arrival of QAIA loons in the form of Di and LadyToronto(same person?) to spew their rabid, frothing antisemitism (see http://backseatblogger.com/?page_id=1998 ) to hijact the thread that the thread really went off the rails.

In the words of Sir Winston Churchill, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." fits QAIAniks to a "T"

Backseat Blogger ca



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