Mammoliti's Pride motion passes but with big revisions - Latest News Roundup
Wednesday, July 7, 2010

Mammoliti's Pride motion passes but with big revisions

Toronto City councillor Giorgio Mammoliti's motion to defund Pride Toronto (PT) as punishment for its decision to rescind its ban on the words "Israeli apartheid" in Toronto's Pride parade passed at city council today after a vote of 36-1. But the motion was changed significantly before it came to a vote.  

It reads: 

1. City Council direct that funding for Pride Toronto be paid after the parade and be conditional upon Pride Toronto requiring all registered participants to comply with the City of Toronto's Anti-Discrimination Policy (read the policy here - PDF).

2. City Council request the City Manager to advise Pride Toronto on what is required of them to meet the Policy.

3. City Council request the City Manager to advise Pride Toronto whether the participation of QAIA and the signs or banners they carry contravenes the City's Anti-Discrimination Policy.

(Full text of the motion and the votes can be viewed here)

That means that funding for PT's 2010 celebration won't be clawed back and that the matter is closed at least for this year. For next year, the onus for interpreting the city's antidiscrimination policy, for making the determination whether or not the presence of Queers Against Israeli Apartheid in Toronto's Pride parade violates that policy, will fall to the city manager's office. Also, PT will get its city money after future Pride celebrations rather than before, as is the case now.

 

Xtra talked with PT executive director Tracey Sandilands after the vote. She said she is relieved by the outcome. She said that getting city funding after the parade in the future is a bit of an inconvenience, but that she's happy PT isn't on the hook for interpreting the city's antidiscrimination policy. She said she believes PT was always in compliance with city policy.

Although a significant victory for Toronto's gay communities, the move does come with some risks. For example, those opposed to QuAIA's presence in the Pride parade now know precisely where to target their lobbying efforts: the city manager's office. If those lobbyists are successful over the course of the next few months, gay people may have to deal with QuAIA censorship issues again next year. But there's nothing in Canadian jurisprudence to suggest that criticism of the Israeli government is discriminatory. So it seems implausible that city managers could reasonably make that determination. At any rate, for now the ball rests firmly in the courts of the anti-QuAIA lobby and the city manager's office.

QuAIA has always maintained that the presence of its contingent does not breach the city’s policy. After announcing it would ban the term "Israeli apartheid" on May 25, Pride Toronto rescinded the ban on June 23, less than two weeks before the parade on July 4.

Mammoliti's original motion demanded retroactive repayment of city grants to Pride Toronto for the 2010 celebration as punishment for Pride Toronto's decision to rescind its ban on the term "Israeli apartheid."

Sandilands also told Xtra that despite a relatively successful Pride celebration this year, she anticipates that PT will have a deficit of at least $100,000. 

We'll have more later.

>> Free speech at Pride: Read all of Xtra's coverage in one place

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Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:13 PM

Who voted against the motion?

Shawn ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:47 PM

Sandra Bussin voted against.

Martin Kuplens-Ewart ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:13 PM

The presence of the Jewish Defense League in the parade with their references to queers as "Sodomite Communists" created an unsafe environment for me.

I don't see Mammoliti or Ford raising a fuss about that! Bastards.

Tony ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:26 PM

The key portion of the motion:

1. City Council direct that funding for Pride Toronto be paid after the parade and be conditional upon Pride Toronto requiring all registered participants to comply with the City of Toronto's Anti-Discrimination Policy.

Pride Toronto did indeed require all registered participants to comply with the Non-Discrimination Policy… ergo funding cannot be revoked. Whether any registered group failed to do so is immaterial. No future funding is jeopardised by the motion.

The next two points are actually going to be quite useful:

2. City Council request the City Manager to advise Pride Toronto on what is required of them to meet the Policy.

3. City Council request the City Manager to advise Pride Toronto whether the participation of QAIA and the signs or banners they carry contravenes the City's Anti-Discrimination Policy.


They will either kill the whole silly debate dead or give real grounds for QuAIA to challenge the policy. Without these two points, the City was able to hide behind a "it's not up to us to determine" smokescreen and use this whole matter as a tool for electioneering.

Martin Kuplens-Ewart ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:46 PM

So wait... 37 votes, there are 44 city councillors in total. Did progressives like Vaughan, Giambrone, Perks, Fletcher and McConnell just leave the room as cowards or vote for this as cowards? Ridiculous.

Dave ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:27 PM

Thanks Martin, that additional info is very useful!

Shawn ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:11 PM

I just called Giambrone's office, they don't think he was there, they have gotten calls, and the woman there told me that the motion was referred to the executive committee...Please let October come fast so we can see the end of Adam Giambrone! He's worse than useless.
r.

roy ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 5:28 PM

Giambrone was absent – he left during the preceding (painfully boring and chaotic) discussion about Toronto Community Housing.

Martin Kuplens-Ewart ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 5:14 PM

And yes Tony – that is indeed a point that has yet to be discussed.

Martin Kuplens-Ewart ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 8:41 PM

Well we all know where Ford and Mammoliti stand on Gay rights in our city any how.....as you did not see one of them at Pride at all....do what you want city Council as you have in the pass and will in the future not support gay rights.....shit you can't do anything at city hall right in the first place you have Giambrone fucking in his office during work hours....you have Ford making drug deals on the phone.....face it they are all fuck up City Hall in the first place from the Major all the way down.....

DJ ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 9:12 PM

All those who care about Freedom of Speech should be writing all the councillors to express their disgust with this "No Criticism of Israel will be allowed" motion. Let's remember these fools in October!

Jon ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 9:42 PM

Looks like members of QuAIA are going to be charged with hate crimes (according to popgoesthenews.blogspot.com/.../...ing-hate.html).

Ben ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 9:25 PM

Pride can thank the $100,000 deficit to Queers Against Israeli Apartheid, whose insistance in spreading their hateful message got sponsors like Pepsi and Proctor and Gamble to pull out.

Bones ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 10:03 PM

haha Ben, did you guys hack a website to plant a story that QuAIA would be investigated for hate crimes? And you put it on a pop culture website of all places?? HAHA! the site administrators already caught on and yanked it! wow you guys are desperate!

Savannah ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 10:11 PM

Actually, DJ, Rob Ford was kicking around on the weekend, handing out "Sponsored by Rob Ford" rainbow stickers. Yeah, I thought I was hallucinating at first too...but other people saw the same thing I did.

Craig ca


Wednesday, July 7, 2010 10:15 PM

DJ raises a good point: "Well we all know where Ford and Mammoliti stand on Gay rights in our city any how.....as you did not see one of them at Pride at all...." If Ford was not present at Pride I think Xtra should contact him and ask why not -- and report whatever he says in response.

Shawn Syms ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 8:32 AM

According to @robfordteam, he was away at the cottage. Maybe he came back early for Pride. If so, someone from his team should confirm. Or it could've been his brother, they are practically identical!

Are you guys from @robfordteam reading Xtra? If not, why not!?

Shawn ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 9:41 AM

Honestly, you people are such liars and hypocrites. There are videos all over the internet of QuAIA members ripping signs out of bystanders hands while walking amidst "FREE SPEECH" signs. I guess free speech is only for leftist, gay, "activists" right???

Rodney Brick ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 10:13 AM

Did anyone else see the JDL? or this is a dream Tony had? It seems fair to let City decide and Pride can take their stand next summer after we cool down about this. I also agree that Ford may have an Oxy business on the side to augment his pay. No one talks like that to a constituent. Adam probably thinks we are now irrelevant to his carrer and forgot about us.

Bryan Charlebois ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 10:20 AM

God Bless City Council. Keep terrorist sympathizers out of pride!!!!!

James Calhoun ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 12:22 PM

Rodney, I don't believe it. If you have links to videos, post them.

BJ ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 12:44 PM

James Calhoun, do you mean Kulanu, because even though they brought the JDL and pro-Israel groups, I still think they should march.

Tam ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 1:43 PM

There is a single incident where someone ripped a sign out of an Israel supporter's hand. That person is NOT a QuAIA member and was asked to leave the contingent before the march even started, but refused. She was a provocateur who intentionally violated QuAIA's public guidelines. And one of our marshals attempted to stop her from this action, but the video on the internet is cut off to hide this.

Please read QuAIA's guidelines for the march:

queersagainstapartheid.org/.../

QuAIA's guidelines ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 2:49 PM

Blah blah blah, guidelines, not part of our group, excuses, lies, hypocrisy....THIS IS WHAT QuAIA is all about.

Kelly Ramsay ca


Thursday, July 8, 2010 10:17 PM

@ Tam

So what, I thought we could have freedom of speech at Pride or is it freedom of Speech as long as we agree to agree. If the QuAIA can march then why not the JDL or why not next year we bring the Westbroo Baptist Church along too since after all its freedom of speech and expression

Peter from Toronto ca


Friday, July 9, 2010 12:53 AM

It's freedom of speech for the QUEER community. QuAIA is a queer group (although most people marching with Kulanu were pretty obviously not at all queer, from what I've been told... obviously the JDL are the most heterosexual cisgender thing ever).

Sav. ca


Friday, July 9, 2010 11:34 AM

@Peter Well, as established many times over in the comments on this site, the requirements for participating in Pride as an individual contingent are quite clear:

(1.) be part or supportive of the LGBT community; and
(2.) be law-abiding

The JDL and Westboro Baptist Church fail completely on the first count and, depending on the day, fail on the second count as well.

Try again?

Dan ca


Friday, July 9, 2010 4:29 PM

There's a very fine line between freedom of speech and hate speech.

I'm in a good position to say this. I'm of German descent and my grandfather who died earlier this year in Germany, at the age of 100 & 1 month, was always pro-Nazi, even after the war. He was never keen on my Italian ex-wife because she was Italian. He never knew about my current Jewish male partner and my coming out late in life.

Everybody should be entitled to their own opinion...their own educated opinion, hopefully.

I don't think it's the message that's inflammatory...it's the way it was said. Why not Queers for a Free Palestine...why center out Israel? It's unfortunate that most people in the parade would not be able to find Israel & Palestine on a map.

I think the Nazis were also given Freedom of Speech and were tolerated. Their initial message appealed to the masses, a crushed people (Treaty of Versailles). Look at the aftermath.

Both sides share some guilt and some responsibility. Use reason!

And being relatively new to the 'gay' lifestyle...I have to say...this parade should be for the LGBTTIQQ2S (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Transgendered, Intersexual, Queer, Questioning, 2-Spirited) groups. Let the others get their own parade.

It's queer (pun intended) that a community so sensitive on appropriate speech & terminology can allow a loose canon in their midsts.

Have we opened the door for any group? The KKK would be an extreme...but what about fundamental Christian groups who will remind us of our sins? Or those who wish to convert gays to straights since we did have a choice!?

And I know this has probably been said before but would QuAIA be warmly accepted to march in Palestine? I don't know about you...but I can't march for the rights of people who wish to see me dead.

And finally...it's always so easy to look in your neighbour's yard and point the finger. Why didn't anybody mention Canada's apartheid; what we have done and are still doing to the First Nations people. (I suggest this be a new entry into the parade.)

Fix and fortify your own house before you decide to throw stones at others.

JBT

J. B. Thomas ca


Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:36 AM

Pride is about fun and representing the whole queer community in Toronto. There were a lot of participants that represented many different issues. Banning QAIA is extremely ridiculous. There is always two sides of the story. This is Canada, where is the freedom of speech?

Sarah ca


Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:29 AM

Okay seriously. Why are people comparing QUAIA to JDL and Nazi. That IS CRAZY. QAIA have not committed or showed any interest in committing any hate crimes or violent action against any human being (Muslim, Christian, or Jew). JDL and KKK have been labeled as terrorist groups, while QUAIA are pro Palestinian human rights groups that strongly criticize Israel for its illegal occupation and apartheid system implemented in Palestine.

Sarah ca


Sunday, July 11, 2010 3:07 PM

Actually I'm pretty sure its only the American wing of the JDL that's officially considered a terrorist organization and not the Canadian wing, however you've got to wonder about any group that would so closely align itself with a terrorist group like that. They obviously share the same philosophy since they use the same name, but then I wonder why exactly one went the route that lead to them becoming a terrorist organization while the other apparently hasn't? Regardless I can totally see how the presence of a group so closely connected with terrorism would make a lot of people real uncomfortable. I know some equate QuAIA with terrorism but that can't be taken at all seriously since they are a legitimate human rights group and have no connection to any terrorist group unlike JDL Canada, well some consider all Palestinians to be terrorists but they're bigots and also can't be taken seriously plus those locked into a narrow binary world view of you're either with us or against us I suppose. Anyways I think the Pride march was a success this year with all sides of the issue represented but in a way that didn't take away from anyone's enjoyment of the day, well for more than the minute or so it took for whatever group to pass by whomever may have strong negative feelings about the other side, but that was a tiny portion of the whole day which was a great success in my opinion.

Rich ca



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