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Tuesday, June 29, 2010

Pride Toronto, Toronto Police cocktail party turns ugly

BY MARCUS MCCANN – A 4:30pm cocktail appearance by Toronto police chief Bill Blair quickly became a heated standoff on June 29.

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Organizers kept gay and trans people out of the 519 Community Centre auditorium for more than two hours — and periodically ejected people from inside. For the first hour, those who were forbidden from entry stayed outside.

Pride Toronto executive director Tracey Sandilands came out to speak to the crowds, which spilled onto the street. She reminded protesters that the event was organized by Toronto Police — not Pride Toronto — and said that they were dealing with capacity issues.

She was heckled by people on the street. Later, organizers said that Pride Toronto was complicit in the "pinkwashing" of Toronto Police.

519 executive director Maura Lawless also spoke briefly, saying that she hoped to host a discussion between queers and cops soon.

One protester shouted, “But we’re here now!”

Bill Blair arrived in a dark SUV around 5:30 to chants of "Shame! Shame! Shame!" Police officers forcibly parted the crowd to make way for Blair to enter through the front door, where the protesters were. Two other doors stood empty and unlocked.

After Blair went in, queers occupied the lobby. They chanted and shouted to disrupt the ceremony happening on the second floor.

“No justice. No peace. No homophobic police,” became a popular chant, as did, “No photo ops with the fucking cops.”
 
The mood of the auditorium was strained. Those who were allowed in the auditorium -- and allowed to stay -- included city councillor Kyle Rae, lawyer Douglas Elliott, Egale Canada's Helen Kennedy and former Proud FM staffer Deb Pearce. Attendance inside the auditorium peeked at 75, while a meeting in the same space drew 400 earlier in the month.




Xtra shot video of the protests after videographer Brent Creelman was ejected from the auditorium

 

BY MATT MILLS  - Meanwhile, as about 75 participants gathered inside, police moved to eject one person who called "Shame!" as the first speaker stepped to the mic. Police and 519 staff also asked some media to leave the room. Some stayed, some went. I stayed.

Word spread that a crowd, gathering on the sidewalk, was being denied entry to the building. Some chose to leave the reception to join the crowd outside. There were about 20 police officers in attendance altogether. The 519's Matthew Cutler told me that as far as he was concerned, the building was open for regular programs, that only the auditorium was invite-only because it had been rented to police. The south door of the building was open for those accessing other programs. 

There were many familiar faces in the room. Among them were city councillor Kyle Rae, Pride Toronto co-chair Genevieve D'Iorio, city council candidate Ken Chan, lawyer Douglas Elliott, Egale executive director and Pride Toronto board member Helen Kennedy, city council candidate Enza Anderson, Pride Toronto executive director Tracey Sandilands, several 519 staffers and board members, a few media and several more community members. There was also a group of police officers from Montenegro. They clustered togther in the centre of the room looking at times a little bewildered and bored. 

Blair arrived at the front door and pushed through the jeering crowd. He turned briefly and tipped his hat as he entered. The first to greet him was The 519's Helen Rykens. Rykens told Blair that police needed to let people into the building. "I disagree," said Blair before he turned away and was escorted up the stairs to the auditorium. 

He worked the room briefly as Rae and Elliott made speeches. As Blair was introduced and took position at the mic, one person in the crowd surged forward to challenge him about the conduct of Toronto Police over the past weekend. "My friends were arrested for no reason," she called. Blair stood silently at the podium as she was gently escorted from the room by 519 staffers. It was a courageous, gut-wrenching moment.

As Blair took to the mic, one person stepped forward to challenge him.  

Blair said to the room, "So how was your weekend?"

Filmmaker Malcolm Ingram replied, "I was detained."

"Well my weekend was better than yours I guess, my friend," said Blair to nervous laughter. 

He delivered a canned speech extolling the great relationship the Toronto Police has with Toronto's gay and lesbian communities.

Meanwhile, 519 staff had convinced police to let people standing on the sidewalk into the lobby of The 519. People chanted as the reception resumed. There were a couple of musical numbers.... backed by a chorus of chants heard easily from the lobby of the building. It was surreal. 

By this time, most had already left the auditorium. At about 6:30 pm, the scheduled end of the event, Blair left the way he came in. Police stood between him and the crowd in the lobby as he left. As soon as he was gone, the crowd dispersed, leaving not so much as a piece of garbage.


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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:10 PM

they told us the room was at capacity. Liars.

XX ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:14 PM

The link to the photo gallery asks me for a password...

Scotialist ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:30 PM

Shame on our community "leaders". This event should have been cancelled Saturday evening, when it was crystal clear mass Charter violations were taking place. First thing Monday morning I called the Pride Toronto office and expressed that point of view; I also emailed it in. After being put on hold for a long while I was told "it's not a Pride event, it's an affiliated event and we don't know who the sponsor is." I expressed disbelief and they said they couldn't help me. I called the 519 this morning at 9:30 and no one picked up. So I emailed a request that the event be cancelled no matter who was sponsoring. I've still had no reply.

Proud props and love to all the people who could and did take the time to gather at the 519. Thanks for standing in for those of us still at work or wherever. Thank you for your principled actions. Our community needs to take a stand, and until a full, INDEPENDENT inquiry takes place and charges are laid against cops where appropriate we need to stop this kissy face business with them. There is plenty of credible evidence emerging that they sexually harassed women, used homophobic language, beat people, knowingly detained innocent people, fired rubber bullets and tear gas at peaceful protesters, and more.

Remember Stonewall? Queens ripped up parking meters and threw them at cops to make their point. Then and only then did change happen. It's time we recovered that spirit and stood with ALL facing oppression, rejecting any privileged relationship between our community and the few cops willing to respect all peoples' rights. We need to recognise the frightening and violent power the politicians and their tools the cops wield, and stand together.

Jules ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:59 PM

So is protesting the new smoking? Are all the streets and bars going to filled with the toxic are of protest this Pride? It's getting ridiculous. I know it gets noisy in downtown Toronto, but goddamn, we've had over 7 straights days of loud angry screaming cursing mobs - que the cameras, horns, sirens, and helipoctors - ENOUGH! Bill Blair is a step up from Jack Ackroyd (does Operation Soap ring a bell?). Yeah so the cops scared the shit out of everyone at G20, and some were homophobic, but Chief Blair does not have the power to control what's said out of every mouth on his force. What's the point of shouting down a group of Toronto cops at the 519? - the ones who probably try to correct the homophobia of their colleauges! SO DUMB! Toronto Police have some explaining to do after this weekend, but they are not our enemies and do not deserve to be harassed indiscriminately. Just because they wear the same uniform doesn't make them all the same. After what happened Saturday afternoon, it boggles my mind that people decided to shut down the streets and go back to the scene of the crime (Queen/Spadina in particular) as if to celebrate the burning cruisers and broken windows. That is what I call shame! Alot of those people were vapid punks with nothing in their vocabulary beyond "fuck you pigs, fuck the government!". They got what was coming. It was brutal yes, often illegal and unnecessary, but try to think outside your own little box and think of how the cops were interpreting events. And for christ's sake, stop the screaming, it's giving this city a bloody migraine!

Ryan ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:38 PM

What are you suggesting Jules, we boycott the police? We fight back against oppression by demanding mob rule? We cancel all events where there may be cops? You are part of the problem.

Ryan ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:29 PM

I left the cop party and joined the protest. I think the anti -police anger message got though loud and clear. Maura at least allowed the protestors to stay in the foyer for over an hour to chant and vent. Kyle was embarrassed to be "shamed" by his perk walk going out. Blair took the protest with good grace. It was the most interesting and theatrical cop Pride party in the 10 years it has been going on. The raw anger against cops in Toronto for their misdeeds and errors was palpable. Doug Elliot told Ctv that he had "mixed feelings" and identified with the protesters (As when he was young and a radical). All in all a very good event and a successful protest!

james dubro ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:44 PM

Ryan, the Grand Marshal of Troll Pride!

Derek ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:04 PM

Thanks Derek. You're special too.

Ryan ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:01 PM

Ryan, it was wrong on behalf of pride organizers to have this event for 2 reasons: one, as people are still detained in unknown condition by the toronto police, without being released or given bail. Two, as the pride parade's origins involve a large degree of anti-police-brutality action and to have this after this weekend is a disgrace to pride, toronto, and the gay community. Especially as cases of brutality this weekend involved homophobia, sexism, and racism; everything pride supposedly stands against.

XX ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:51 PM

"Well my weekend was better than yours I guess my friend," said Blair to nervous laughter.
--
God. Why has he not resigned?

TKO ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:00 PM

XX, and everybody else who keeps making references to the gay rights movement being born out of rising up against police brutality - what happened this weekend was NOT the same thing! This is what you are defending --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxMA9AN6Ej4

Ryan ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:00 PM

I'm sorry I missed it. I thought it was at 7:00. At least that's what it said on the Pride site.

Todd ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:05 PM

@Ryan, no one is defending that; but this is what you're defending:
mynews.ctv.ca/mediadetails/2886697?collection=742

TKO ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:01 PM

On the way out, Blair answered questions for CP24, and George Lagogianes asked "Why are these people so angry?" and Chief Blair replied "I don't know and I'm not sure I care." Utmost in arrogance and hypocrisy, if that's how he responds after showing up to try to score some points with the community. Someone keep him away from microphones until he's fired or resigns. He obviously has no idea how badly he and the police are perceived right now in Toronto.

Barb ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:43 PM

I was outside of the 519 at about 5:45 with my dog. There were maybe 30 or 40 protestors chanting and blocking the sidewalk. I left just before Blair got there.
It was not a huge demonstration and although I have some sympathy for the protestors, after what happened last weekend I have had enough of their screaming activism. Later as I walked with my partner past the 519 to get some frozen yogurt, there was a paper bag with PRIDE circled and crossed out, laying on the sidewalk.
Not all LGBT people have the same political opinions as the protesters at the 519, we are not a monolithic community.
I have been out and proud since 1984 and have marched with Aids Action Now when my friends were dying. Maybe I am suffering from post G20 trauma, but I have had enough.
Happy Pride everyone.

bester ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:40 PM

and TKO, the over-aggressiveness of police should have been expected by all the idiots that continued to "assemble peacefully" following Saturday afternoon's riots. How can you say you're not defending the violence, vandalism, and destruction of our turf? You can't just deny any association. The general protest public spat on and swore at police, yet did nothing when random criminals were destroying shit that wasn't their's to destroy. They snapped photos and acted like nothing bad was happening. Those "peaceful" protesters who "peacefully" idled and took pictures while their city was descending into anarchy did nothing to stop the abuse of Toronto. They relished in it. They instead made all figures of authority, without reason, the target of their empty rage. They did nothing to show themselves to be respectable citizens, all they did was claim the streets as their own pathetic soap box. Everybody wanted to be apart of the action even though nobody understood what they were being part of exactly. It was a classic case of lemming dumbfuckery. They chose to pick a fight with a grizzly bear, too bad for them.

Ryan ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:05 PM

Amen Bester! That's the last thing I'll say on this post. Promise.

Ryan ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:23 PM

Ryan - i completely agree. lets settle down before we send this city/country into a polemic rage.

In a democratic country, the main role of the police is to protect the lives and property of citizens. In authoritarian countries like Iran, the main role of the police is to protect the political leaders. One outcome of hosting a global summit may cause a transformation of how a local police force conceives its role within society.

Lets take a deap breath and deal with this like people trying to save a relationship.

jamie ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:35 PM

Ryan, a friend of mine who is a TTC collector at Queen's Park station was arrested while he was unlocking one of the station doors. The reason? He was there.

His supervisor came out to plead with the police, so did the transit "cops", but he was still hauled away and locked up for 30+ hours. Not only that they denied TTC lawyers and union reps access to my friend during that time.

Tell me he's one of those "lemmings".

TKO ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:24 PM

Ryan, lets clarify this - no one is defending the actions of aggessive protestors. We are condemning the treatment suffered by hundreds of detainees which as i said included homophobic, sexist and racist remarks and actions by the police. As a leading force the police have the responsibility not not bully people, especially those that are already detained. We are protesting these cruelties.

XX ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:43 PM

So Defending the abused detainees - does not equal -justifying the actions of the more aggressive protestors, if this can be made any simpler for you. They are two different issues.

XX ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:57 PM

TKO - I am genuinely sympathetic to your friend the TTC collector, honestly. That sounds horrific. I hope he is fully recompensated for being unlawfully imprisoned. He was not a "lemming" as I did say. But he never would have been mistakenly captured and detained had there been peace and order on the streets. Disorder breeds more disorder. And the protesters got the ball rolling.

Ryan ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:52 PM

More of ... Queers Against Everything. Many thanks to the security forces who kept us safe from the G20 terrorists over the weekend. And to all LGBT, sensible and otherwise -- have a great Pride.

TuBu ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:21 PM

The beginning of the end of Pride, this years could be scary, I am staying away, and I imagine others will as well, after recent events.

Steve ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:14 PM

Thanks Ryan. I guess we'll just have to disagree on who are responsible for the debacle that was G20.

I hope though you agree that Harper is high up on the list.

TKO ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:57 PM

Only thing worse than the over-reaction of the cops, and the Chief's arrogance tonight, is members of our so-called community who would only rise up against anything if Calvin Klein stopped using cute models or if the LCBO went on strike.

KgC ca


Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:17 PM

On the contrary, Steve. Whatever doesn't kill Pride can only make it stronger. Pride has been getting too complacently corporate and mainstream, and all this recent activism for human rights is necessary to keep Pride relevant. If you prefer your Pride sanitized and harmless, then by all means, stay away!

Michael ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:46 AM

Ryan: "The general protest public spat on and swore at police, yet did nothing when random criminals were destroying shit that wasn't their's to destroy."

Honey, it's not up to the general public to stop violent vandals, that's what the 20,000 police were supposed to do. They didn't. For over 45 minutes those vandals smashed windows and there was not a cop in sight. Not one. In 45 minutes. Kind of odd, don't you think?

Fillibluster ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:10 AM

Canadians demanding a public inquiry into Toronto G20

www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=135629036463012

Fillibluster ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:53 AM

I was part of the protest today. The police made an agreement with the organizers to permit us entry to the "signature" Pride event, as Traci Sandilands described it. Permission had already been given by the 519. Without consultation, the police decided to renege on their agreement. It's impossible to know if they negotiated in good faith.

The explanation provide by 519 staffers that there was a capacity issue with room only licensed for 250 people was a lie. I was able to verify the numbers of people in the room. At no time did the numbers get close to that. No wonder people, already hurting, got angrier.

LGBT folks being prevented from entering our community centre by a large contingent of TPS personnel provides a powerful statement of everything that is wrong with the status quo.

At the protest, I met people who had been detained. They spoke of the abuses of human rights they experienced. Their experience was traumatic and stressful. Protesting isn't something most people do as a way of life. It is to protect our collective rights so that they endure.

Those that are willing to set civil rights aside when it is convenient for them, do not deserve our respect and trust. To serve and protect whom?

The complete lack of acknowledgement that violations of civil rights occurred, let alone were condoned and planned, and certainly the missing apology, doesn't speak well for future trust. LGBT folk have long been suspicious of TPH for good reasons. Now we have more of them.

I met one officer who spoke of the need for bridge building - again. I thanked her for her contribution to that endeavour. But we didn't damage the bridge. The hand needs to be extended from TPS, not the other way around.

She reminded me of the progress that had been made between the police and the community. That's true, but it gets significantly eroded whenever the police decide their relationship with us has little value. What does all the sensitivity training in the world mean if the end result is the same?

Our "special" relationship seems to matter little. Can we use the police community liaison committee to discuss the ways in which police promote HIV stigma when they publicize "suspects" accused of non-disclosing HIV status? Nope. Can we discuss the CALM raids? Nope. TPS controls the agenda.

Today's event was a sham, even without the protest. It appeared as an empty shell of self-congratulatory promotion.

Duncan ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:46 AM

Got some nice pictures here.
alainsojourner.typepad.com/.../...-the-police.html

Talisman ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:21 AM

To every critic of the protest here, there was a journalist who spoke during the protest. She had been brutally grabbed while out peacefully documenting the g20 protests, and she had identified herself as lesbian when she was brought to the detention centre. She told stories of her treatment and of other women and members of the LGBT community inside there that would make you absolutely ashamed of the comments you've made. Take a few goddamn minutes to listen to detainee stories. 80% were released without charges.

To everyone who stayed right til the end of the protest, thank you. I love you guys. You gave me hope today.

Eat it, you lying fascist prick of a chief. You're a disgrace to the city. No justice, no peace. Fuck the police.

Kenneth ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:26 AM

Everyone who went to the 519. I love you...through all these messages, please know that you are amazing. What you did was so right and fuck them if they think they can treat us or anybody else like shit. This is our city and we fought hard enough for the little respect you give us. Don't fuck with us.

roy ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:15 AM

Those who didn't see what happened, should be more cautious. Bill Blair deserved to get screamed at ALL NIGHT, and shouted out of the place.

People have no idea of what went on, unless there were there. It was criminal behavior by large gangs of cops, armies of cops, done on the orders of Bill Blair. The amount of LIES coming out of police headquarters is criminal.

These mob-cops acting as gangs against innocent people, Bill Blair thinks its funny. He made a joke about being detained.
Maybe he should try it? Maybe he should get beaten, harrassed, threatened, without cause. Then arrested, beaten, strip-searched, treated like an animal, insulted, frozen, and deprived of water, and deprived of the rule of law.
Don't be fooled by the lies coming out of police headquarters.

Keep it peaceful, but the outrageous illegal behaviors of the police have to be held to account immediately. Its an emergency, after what they did just blocks from where he was.
The police allowed some punks to vandalize the area for hours, and did nothing to stop them.
Then they use that as a pretext to discredit others, like those at the event.
Shame Shame Shame, that is what Blair needs to hear everyday, until the facts of the massive illegal police behaviors are exposed.

P ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:42 AM

Ryan,
you have been brainwashed by the lies of certain media.
The police allowed those vandals to wreck things for over 2 hours, and did nothing. They let them do it.
Why? Because broken glass means more money for police budgets.

Then later, they unleashed the riot-squads, and provoked peaceful assemblies, even in the "free speech" zone at Queens Park. They attacked the citizens.
When in the past have people been attacked by gangs of police?
The police wanted more riots, as that is also good for budgets, so they went after people, to upset them, and to bait the crowd.
The police could have calmed it down, but instead they starting shooting rubber bullets at people, and trying to trample them with horses.
Then to illegally arrest hundreds of innocent people without charge, and put them in cages. Sound familiar?

You think that police chief gives 2 shits about the 591 community? Its all PR BS. So be it, but Blair has crossed the line bigtime, and that can never happen. He has to be put back into his place, and fast.

That G20 nightmare, could also be seen as a dress rehearsal for controlling entire neighborhoods and cities. What if a riot did break out in the area? What would the police do?
First, they would let the violence carry on for hours, and let it burn. Then bring in their now experienced riot-troops, and arrest and beat everyone.

Above that, the police were hassling those from the community in the march on Friday.

The police bosses need to learn that they cannot be allowed to wield that kind of illegal power. They all have to be fired for what they did.

P ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:54 AM

Before Blair takes the fall, dethrone Ms. McGuinty and his idiots for THEIR creation of a police state. And Ms. Harper, well she should have left years ago!

Joe ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:27 AM

Ms. McGuinty and Ms. Harper? Fuck you, Joe, there's nothing wrong with being a woman. I don't know what you're specific point is - what negative behaviour qualifies them as women to you? - but don't pull that shit out. Harper and McGuinty have created their own mess and it has nothing to do with them being women, or feminine.

ott ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:26 AM

The same people that were railing for the censoring of QuAIA are now defending the outrageous action of the police. The debate for them is obviously ideolgically driven and not based on facts. The kafkaesque reality is that we had more arrests this week (900) than during the FLQ crisis (497).In Toronto the majority have been released without charges nor explanation. How can you avoid questioning the police you are paying for? If you were witness to the surreal stillness Friday night (in one of Canada's most vibrant city) contrasted with the unbelievable chaos in the following days (in one of North America safest city) and persist in feeling that Harper's government is not causing harm to Toronto and the queer community, yours is willful blindness. How can you forgive cutting off $400,000 in Pride funds (an event with a record of generating business), and overlook the expenditure of over 1 billion $ for law and order that failed. The answer can only be ideology.

JG ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:22 AM

I think what needs to alarm this community is the speed and effectiveness used to turn our city into a full out police state and all that goes with it. Once again, those in "authourity" are ignorant of history. What this massive attack on civil liberties will, and indeed has, generated, is a new, young angry group of activists. Young people of whom I am extremely proud. As to those who keep harping on the hoodlums, more than a billion dollars was spent to keep the G-20 clique safe. No such protection was offered to the citizens and business people of this city, quite the contrary. Perhaps they didn't have a big enough budget to protect everyone. We must have a full and independent inquiry into this sordid affair. To resist it, as it was resisted in 1981, will only make it worse. What the various levels of government involved in this assault on it's citizen's need to do is have a look back at our history, call an inquiry and deal with this debacle before relationships that took years to build are destroyed for years to come.

Peter Bochove ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:54 AM

P, I am not a victim of media brainwashing, I'm a politically active Torontonian who lived thru the G20. You have been brainwashed by media of another sort. You basically just said that police orchestrated the riots that took place Saturday afternoon. Right, and 9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, and there is a cure for cancer that the government doesn't want us to know about. Brilliant. The failure of police to intervene in those riots should be noted, but to say it was all part of a big conspiracy to discredit the other protests is bullshit. You ask: 'When in the past have people been attacked by gangs of police?'. Duh, every single global summit since the WTO meeting of 1999 in Seattle!!! It's become a regular occurence, didn't you know? Bands of protesters provoke police lines close to where world leaders are meeting, and gangs of police attack back. Everybody knows what's coming, everybody knows security goes the extra mile, but they still act surprised when they get their heads beat so that people will be sympathetic to their anti-police messaging. If there wasn't a G20 meeting happening and police acted this way, THEN I would be as angry as you. But this didn't happen on an ordinary weekend, this happened on the weekend that people should have been prepared for extreme security. Had folks just followed the rules for one stupid weekend, it would have all been over. But no, what about our fundamental right to protest right beside a massive TEMPORARY police presence?? Why was it so necessary to challenge G20 security?? Why? Do you think the residents of Queen Street appeciated crowds of protesters using their neighbourhood to stage a demonstration against police?? I know the cops acted in an extreme and brutal way, and I hope an full investigation uncovers their mistakes, but people protesting should have been more aware of the situation they themselves were creating. Whether it's US border guards, airport security, OPP highway patrol - don't give them any excuse to go after you or they will.

Ryan ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:49 AM

Wow, what world do you live in Ryan? "Whether it's US border guards, airport security, OPP highway patrol - don't give them any excuse to go after you or they will."... sounds like a pretty fearful society. Police shouldn't have 'an excuse' to 'go after you', that's why we have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I seem to remember a time when the cops could 'go after you' for being gay.

JM ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:09 PM

If you are going to the protest at Queen's Park on July 1, at 5:30 pm, wear black. Support the evil nuns.

SD ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:12 PM

Ryan, I know its tempting to stick your head in the sand for a weekend but people have had political agendas to promote. Activists saw a valid chance to protest the behavoir of world leaders and the city of Toronto acknowledged that and hired extra help. This is because public protests are legal. Witout them we would still have slaves and women wouldnt be able to vote. We have a right to express opinions when given a public forum, its even encouraged, maybe the best thing about an event like the g20 summit is to make light of issues that need to be addressed. Haven't you noticed numerous independent canvassers? and as for the vandalism, I don't justify it but look - a couple of burning cars and some smashed windows to not render basic human rights irrelevant. People have bigger, more violent riots over sports. Overall, 45 minutes of violence by protestors causing damage to property NOT other people have justified 3 days of police brutality? how? Read some testimonies, it'll make you cry.

XX ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:05 PM

It will be interesting to see whether this issue becomes a stumbling block for former cop and current ward 27 council candidate Ken Chan.

Paul ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:14 PM

bester:

I certainly hope the 519 peaceful protesters, some of whom were jailed without cause, didn’t impede your trip to get frozen yogurt. Damn trouble makers!

Mark ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:16 PM

I learned that the 519 Official Statement announced that the event was organized by TPS and the Community Police Liaison Committee that is held to celebrate Pride Week.

So, therefore, it is not Pride Toronto who organizes the event. Please check your facts first before you make your statements which most of them are not true above in the previous posts.

I am shocked that the protesters has no absolutely respects for the Safe Space of the 519 for events and meetings held there, which it learned that children were crying for their own safety and fear. SHAME SHAME SHAME on protesters!

For the Official Statement by the 519 is at www.facebook.com/.../10150221000305331#!/notes/the-519-church-street-community-centre/official-statement-the-519-and-the-2010-police-chiefs-reception/10150221000305331

SexyGuy ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:50 PM

SexyGuy, I supposed you would ban exposed breasts at Pride because, you know, they might upset a few children? It's supposed to be a "family friendly" event after all.

What about riot police and tear gas/rubber bullet shots? That didn't scare the children at all. Right.

TKO ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:58 PM

@ Barb: Do you have a citation for that particular Blair quote? I would like to post it.
Many thanks.

Emily ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:26 PM

@ Emily: You can check out the Blair quote in this CP24 news report of the event (right-side of the page): www.cp24.com/.../?hub=CP24Home

(The CP24 report is pretty brutal, IMO... barely any time given to the protesters, and what's with the reporter's defence of Blair? "He's a good guy!")

Brent ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:13 PM

TKO,

No, this is a separate issue, so don't twist these words around.

My point is that the children were crying for their own safety and fear.

I never heard a children is crying because a woman was exposed her breasts at Pride. TKO- you are so sexist and oppressive against women- STOP THAT! This is not very nice because queer women would feel offended by your comment.

Thank you,

SexyGuy ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:05 PM

@Mark

Thanks for your concern over my trip to get yogurt in my neighbourhood.
It was after the Queers Against Everything had finished their hissy fit in front of the 519.
We actually had a good time and we supported a local business. Truly a win - win situation.

bester ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:36 PM

Seriously, serious shit has to be raised, so the police and Harper, and Dalton, Miller and the rest get the message.
Never Again.
How long ago was it that gay folks could get rounded up by the cops for no reason? Not being gay, I know it was not long ago.
Miller is dangerously out to lunch, to say the police did a good job. Either he is afraid of the police, or he is clueless. He will regret his police ass-kissing, he should have waited for the facts. Again, this poster is not gay, but apparently on the news they said Blair might not be in the Pride parade? Maybe someone could do a bait & switch on him, and promise him there will be no SHAME chants by his perimeter of 5 meters, and then after he is there, you say that you said there will be only SHAME chants inside 5 meters.
If I had a parade this weekend, I would build a CAGE exactly like 629 Eastern on a float, and fill it exactly like they did at Eastern avenue, with as many people, a toilet with no door with someone trying to go to the bathroom in public, and perhaps some riot cops beating on people, with no water.
Not very fun, but this is serious, those people need to be released at once. Now is the time for civil society to strike back and HARD so they NEVER try to police state people again. Blair and the police need to be put back in their place, they are not the leaders of society, they are just like anyone else. So this non-gay breeder supports those who are/were illegally arrested without charge, and they must get let out of Blair-Miller-Harpers-Dalton illegal detentions now.

tt ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:55 PM

Also, perhaps the police could be offered a way to explain themselves, so as to not only create bad blood? At the same time, everyone needs to know exactly how many folks, of any community, are illegally in jail, and were illegally arrested. The problem is, the police are lying, the chief is lying his ass off. Its fascinating how the "leaders" in all areas still are kissing Blairs ass, probably because they were not there, and they like power and its perks. Everyone else who was there, see the reality. Read The Sun! Even one writer there is telling the truth..why? Because he saw only a part of it. www.torontosun.com/.../14564416.html

tt ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:51 PM

Black and white. Black and white. Black and white. If not fitting into traditional categories of 'man' and 'woman' should have taught us anything, it's this: nothing is black and white. Spare me the 'us' versus 'them' rhetoric. I suspect there will be a review of security from the past weekend, and rightly so, but in the meantime, who are you going to call if your buddy gets bashed or someone breaks into your home?

I can only imagine what the police from Montenegro were thinking as they looked on. Considering their relatively recent history and the current conditions for gays and lesbians in their country, they probably just shook their heads in disbelief.

D. ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:12 PM

Bill Blair is a committed public servant. He is the best chief police we've ever had, committed to serving a diverse metropolitan city. Some serious allegations against SOME of his officers have been made. We need a transparent process to investigate those allegations, and Blair should commit himself to the truth and to repercussions for officers who conducted themselves in shameful way as alleged.

So demand accountability. That's fine. But assembling a lynch mob of vigilante mob-rule supporters asking for his head? You don't speak for me!

You've already censored my body from the Saturday Pride event. You will NOT dictate who gets to participate in the parade. I thought we had just settled those censorious elements in our community. Back off.

Sandro ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:16 PM

And what the fuck is our councillor doing about any of this? Is Kyle Rae just biding his time 'til October? Is he taking seven weeks off this summer again, after the AIDS meeting in Vienna? He should be providing some leadership here and seeing a way through the impasse. But I think his best days are LONG behind him.

Sandro ca


Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:13 PM

The police and all three levels of government made a decision to completely disregard the Charter rights of the over 1,000 people they detained during the G20. A police force and a state that are willing to willfully disregard Charter rights are a threat to EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the GLBT community. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand just how fragile their rights actually can be.

Bill Blair has publicly shown nothing but contempt for anyone trying to get so much as a simple answer about what happened, and he's spoken in the most condescending manner possible about the detainees. He's also already lied numerous times about the events of the G20. He has to resign, as must every board member of Pride Toronto who supported this farce.

Erling ca


Thursday, July 1, 2010 12:01 AM

hey ryan - based on yr comments, the ways in which you refer to "the gay movement", the way yr "argument" always cycles into offensive and insulting language, and yr ridiculous hegemonic police-defending rhetoric, i can tell that isn't yr real name, and that you are a troll i have met a few times online spouting transphobic nonsense. why don't you try wheeling away from yr computer desk and try ENGAGING with people and learning about these issues before you label everyone with something to say that isn't in alliance with the depoliticizing of QUEER identity and pride a trouble maker or trendy.

xo

jessy ca


Thursday, July 1, 2010 12:45 PM

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Being inconvenienced on your way to shop or meet the boys for drinks or needing to shout "shut up" to the political people doing good work because they are "disrupting" your patio time are somewhat small prices to pay to maintain a country in which you can continue to shop, drink and enjoy your patio time - oh and exercise your civil liberties while you still got them.

ka ca


Thursday, July 1, 2010 1:52 PM

The Tories, mostly from the West, dump this steaming pile of stinking shit on our city. The Black Bloc, largely Quebecois, run riot over our city setting cars on fire and smashing windows, and precipitating a brutal police crackdown. A committed but exhausted police chief works to maintain his composure and command in very difficult circumstances, but cracks a bit a couple of times. Who wouldn't? It was a victory for progressive forces when Blair was chosen, and the right has never forgiven the dumping of Fantino. And now, a bunch of mouthy 'queers' and assembled rabble are shouting "bring me his head!" Could you at least give him a chance to respond to the allegations? I'll bet he hasn't had a decent night's sleep in ages.

The Tories -- especially that bitch Baird -- must be laughing hard enough to crack a rib or two.

Man, you people are snotty little assholes with no sense of history of moderation. What do you want: Elle Flanders for Police Chief? Or would you bring us order in this city by consensus, otherwise known as "The Mouthiest Lesbian Wins"?

You don't speak for me, Eternally Disquieted Protesters.

Stay Blair, stay. Cooperate with any enquiry into police brutality. These are serious allegations and deserve a thoughtful response. I know you are up to it.

Sandro ca


Thursday, July 1, 2010 2:11 PM

Well, I think it's fair to say that when planning next year's Toronto Pride, the corporate machine known as Pride Toronto should really review, and annalyze how they handled all of such recent activities. Fair enough?

Eric ca


Friday, July 2, 2010 6:11 AM

jessy, Ryan is my real name, you probably haven't met be before, I doubt you know the meaning of the word hegemonic, and if there's something in particular that I said which you disagree with I would be happy to 'ENGAGE' with you. in the meantime, piss off.

Ryan ca


Friday, July 2, 2010 7:36 AM

All is not black and white in the world. It isn;t a question of wether cops are our friends or enemies. It is how to deal with misdeeds as after all the cops are public servants who work for us too. I spent 12 years working in 2 liaision commitees with cops and there were times we were avle to have charges withdraw (Bijou case in mid 90's) by meetings with cops at higher level...And in several cases dialoguge prevented actions. There have been no raids against bars or LGBT places since Blair has been chief. (I have known Blair for 20 years and he is the most LGBT positive Chief we have ever had in Toronto) Some very prominent LGBT members are close to him--Brent HAwkes, Kyle RAe and others. This helps the LGBT community. This doesn't mena we do not protest when cop misdeeds are exposed (as onver the smmit weekend)
but ongoing LGBT laision is eessential. One can do both--liaisise and protest-- as there are many, many areas to work on together and some to protest against. Alas, many of us in the LGBT community--including actvisits00do not know our history--especially of the work with the cops in the last 20 years--pioneered by Rae and Hawkes and others--which has been very useful-especially in dicey situation where cops have over-reacted (rmington raid, Bijou, pussy palace--to name just 3 in my time of liaison). Also there are now openly gay men and women in the force, they have a n openly gay liaison officer assigned to work with the LGBT for the Chief, and many obgoing pisitive interactions. The world is not black and white. An as LGBT men and women we pay the atxes out of which the cops are paid. It is to our great advantage to work with them to solve problems together as we have done for 20 years while proesting and commenting on from within and without police misdeeds and injustices. We as a community can do more than one thing at the same time and it isn't always just the "good guys" against the bag guys. And maintaining a healthy positive liaision wiht the cops (whcih we have been doing for varying degrees now since 1991) is one things we must to to cntinue to improve LGBT and police relations. Remember we are a part of the larger community and cops are supposed to be workin gfor us (and sometimes do0 and than many LGBT men and women have spent a lot of thankless horus/days over 20 years trying to work out solutions with police. So let'snot overstate the police misdeeds over the summit (and there were some for sure) over the value of ongoing positive relations. We owe it to those working for us in the police (amny open gay and lesbian cops now) and those workign for us liasioning with the polcie (from Brent HAwkes and Kyle RAe to the LGBT Liaision committee).

james Dubro ca


Friday, July 2, 2010 11:51 AM

I agree with James about the importance of continuing dialogue with the police being absolutely essential. I also share his view of Bill Blair as a progressive police chief who has made an honest effort to work with this community. I think, however, that Bill Blair has fallen on his sword. Who was in charge of this integrated security force? Why did the Ontario Government feel it necessary to pass a law restricting rights of citizens (but not really) in secret. Why were 1000 people arrested, mistreated and held in cages? Why was a billion dollars spent to protect the G-20 pack with nothing left over to arrest the vandals who smashed private property before and to protect the small business owners who fell victim? Why were police cars permitted to be burned while police did nothing? Who was in charge? And finally, most important of all, why did this integrated security force feel it was okay to attack the citizens who were there for peaceful protest? It is simplistic to suggest that Bill Blair is the guy who caused all this. We absolutely must have a completely independent inquiry. In a democracy, those questions demand answers. This was Harper's party. Let him call the inquiry. Now.

Peter Bochove ca


Friday, July 2, 2010 12:30 PM

Sorry, that should have read "who smashed private property before any police actually showed up to stop them".

Peter Bochove ca


Sunday, July 4, 2010 9:30 PM

This video makes me freak. I am glad I saw this. I needed this shot of inspiration and the example and spirit of some people shown here in this video is encouraging. I have been getting my ass kicked a lot lately for launching a campaign to petition Chief William Blair out of office and this just pumped me up a little-- energy I need. Thanks for posting this.

I have had fun at Gay Pride this year and I hope the anger is sttling to be replaced by a resolve to ,make sure this kind of Orwellian thinking is driven from the minds of our leaders. Most will need to be replace though.

Among many things I did tghis weekend I had a chance to talk to some ordinary police patrol officers. Their story is different than the one the Chief is telling. It's quite sad. I don't want to get anyone in trouble but I feel sorry for the good TPS members who had to follow bad orders. I hope some had the guts to reject a bad order.

In my opinion, Chief Blair should resign because I believe he lied to us. I believe he deliberately tainted a large group of ordinary innocent citizens to justify excessive spending from the public purse. I saw that he unlawfully caused the arrest of innocent people whose conduct was far above reproach. I also further believe he, for wrongful purpose deliberately let those black-clad and masked-thugs burn pre-positioned police cars then continue through Toronto, unhindered, breaking windows and doing repeated crime. I have no confidence in Mr. Blair doing his job. Toronto needs to have confidence that its police will apprehend all criminals including criminals whose acts the Chief for any reason supports or exploits to taint or controvert a larger group of citizens. Toronto has learned from the G20 Summit things it does not like about its police services and political leaders and that can only change under a new command at many levels.


Would you, the reader please consider signing my petition? I know its just a beginning. We need to think hard about electing good leaders and we need YOU and YOU as good candidates. Please consider getting involved in public policy by running in the next election.

I make the case for Chief Blair's resignation here:
www.ruffian.ca/blog/g20-Bill-Blair-and-public.htm

and the petition is here: http://chiefblair.resignnow.ca/

Thanks for your time.

RA


Ruffian Angel ca


Monday, July 5, 2010 9:37 PM

Its time to grow up a little, Ryan. If you dont like a country that (is supposed to) provides its citizens with fundamental rights, then leave.

Ryans mommy ca



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