Tuesday, June 15, 2010

Pride Toronto volunteers: help out, get a vote, make change happen

Those who are upset with the ban on “Israeli Apartheid” include Pride Toronto’s own volunteers, and they're swinging into action.

Read the whole background here.

Martin Kuplens-Ewart, who organizes security at the Parade, spoke at the June 7 meeting. He said that people who are angry should volunteer for the organization. That’s because people who have volunteered for more than eight hours will have a vote at Pride Toronto’s Annual General Meeting.

He’s joined by Matthew Cutler, another volunteer, and one of the more than 20 queers who returned a Pride Toronto award out of protest.

At a Pride Coalition for Free Speech meeting June 12, a working group with Cutler and Kuplens-Ewart was struck to review the organization’s bylaws. They concluded that, to change the organization, people should go to makepridehappen.com and sign up.

“Folks just need to log onto that website and register to volunteer,” Cutler tells Xtra. “Certainly, there were folks in the room who were related to specific aspects, human rights, safety and security, but people can volunteer wherever they feel comfortable.”

But with most of the volunteer orientation sessions now completed, the types of ways people can help out is shrinking. However, there are still ways to volunteer during the big weekend, says Kuplens-Ewart.

“I would still encourage people to sign up online,” he says. “And then, on the Saturday and Sunday, they should go to an information tent to see what shifts are still available.”

While some of the tasks won’t be available to people who haven’t done specific training, there will still be lots of things to do, Kuplens-Ewart promises.


People can also become voting members by attending three general meetings of the members. The problem with that, says Kuplens-Ewart, is that there’s only been one so far this year.

Both Cutler and Kuplens-Ewart agree that volunteering for an organization when you disagree with it seems, on its face, counterintuitive. Nonetheless, both say it’s important.

“When you have issues with an organization, the most effective way to affect change is to get involved,” says Cutler.

“When I walked into the [Pride Coalition meeting], I saw people who loved Pride so much they were willing to fight for it, not people who hated it so much they want to tear it down,” says Kuplens-Ewart.

To volunteer for Pride Toronto, go to makepridehappen.com.

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Comments

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:40 PM

If I have to go into my second year with Pride with a new ED after how hard i've worked for the current organization, I don't know if I'd be willing to do it.

I've been told by numerous people that volunteer with Pride that this is one of the best years to be a volunteer. Previous years have been broken into cliques and have had a toxic vibe. The wonderful people that make up the organization this year are united and hard working.

We've had to sit back and watch as the people that we organize this for take cheap shot at us and our E.D. I decided to volunteer because I got some free tickets to march with Pride at Fierte/Pride in Montreal. In the 40 degree heat carrying a big banner slowly inching along, Tracey came over and asked if I needed a break.

That's the kind of person leading this organization and that's the kind of person that's holding it together.

Thanks to everyone that has shown support. The people that have come out against Pride have made themselves heard. How about some support for the people that work at Pride, in addition to holding down jobs, for over 20 hours a week. Since February.

You're going to lose that type of commitment from alot of people if this organization changes.

Alex ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:00 PM

Hi Alex, did writing that comment satisfy one of your volunteer commitments?

Sav. ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:36 PM

@Sav - Alex has put in a lot of hard graft as a volunteer for Pride. I'm sure his comment reflects his own views and perception of the organisation.

When the challenge we face is one of allowing the community to express its thoughts and feelings, we violate our own principles by questioning the sentiments expressed by others.

He's fully entitled to have and express his views; questioning his character is unproductive and unhelpful.

Martin Kuplens-Ewart ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:15 PM

Ok, it might have been a cheap shot reading back over it, however I don't see any questions about anyone's character present above. Questioning a motive and questioning someone's character are not the same thing.

However, the idea that Tracey Sandilands is a great ED based on the fact that she was polite enough to carry a banner is kind of silly. She also made the memorable statement that she was "with everyone who was anyone" when she was at Kyle Rae's fancy retirement party (and he has been working with homophobes to defund Pride) while the queer community was gathered in mass at the 519 to discuss the problems surrounding Pride this year. Not to mention she was recorded stating that queers who move out of the village are the ones we can really be proud of. She is aloof and she is an elitist. Now that is questioning someone's character.

Sav. ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:46 PM

May 2010: Tracey Sandilands, the Executive Director of Pride Toronto, answers the question: What do you want to see in a new gay magazine?

http://vimeo.com/12448877

Unsurprisingly, her reply reflects the kind of elitism she brings to Pride Toronto.

Rick ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:10 PM

Martin: Thanks... I hope you stay on despite everything... Who's going to explain to me how to work my radio again and again?

Alex ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:10 PM

Sav, as you know, I am a strong proponent of free speech. That's why I've taken such an upfront position and why I sign my own name when I know that might not be in my best interest. It seems to me that Pride volunteers are the real victims here, it's their hard work that makes the festival happen and Alex has every right to his opinion which is no less valid than yours or mine. Alex isn't involved in this political fight and he, like many others, don't necessarily understand why this is so important. He likes Sandilands, whose to say he's wrong. I only know her from the bungling that has gone on over this issue and I only met her once, at Kyle's fancy shindig, where I spoke and formed no impression either way. Alex, nobody wants to tear down and attack Pride, those of us who believe in free speech feel it is the other way around. I hope you will continue to volunteer, that you will give it your best effort because pride will survive. Those of us who believe it really should be free and inclusive will continue to make that happen. The level of debate here needs to become more civilized, in my opinion at least, and Sav, you could start by acknowledging that the pride volunteers are a special bunch who deserve our thanks. They don't sit on the board. Perhaps you can offer Alex an apology since he is not the one imposing censorship.

Peter Bochove ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:36 PM

Hi Alex,

I appreciate where you're coming from, but I'd just like to respond to what you've said to clarify a few things.

"We've had to sit back and watch as the people that we organize this for take cheap shot at us and our E.D."

I want to be absolutely clear about this: No one has ever criticized the volunteers of Pride Toronto. The criticisms have been directed solely at the Pride Toronto board and the ED, who are ultimately responsible for the censorship decision. We understand that the volunteers have nothing to do with that decision. So firstly, to suggest that people have been taking a "cheap shot" at the volunteers is simply untrue.

Secondly, the criticisms that have been directed at the board and the ED are based in very legitimate concerns about how the organization has been run this year, particularly centering around the censorship decision, which has proven to be extremely divisive and has driven a wedge into the community. There have been numerous attempts to get Pride to take leadership to try to undo some of the damage by bringing together people in the community with different concerns about this issue, to have them sit down at the same table and have an open dialogue in order to build some understanding and respect for their differing opinions. Pride has been unwilling to do so, and so the criticism has been a way of putting pressure on Pride to try to get them to engage with the community in an open and transparent way.

Thirdly, I have to echo Sav's sentiments here: the Pride board and ED have, themselves, taken numerous "cheap shots" at anyone who disagrees with them. To give a few examples: calling us the "howling left," saying we represent at best 1% of the community, or vacating their offices when the past honourees came by to return their awards and calling the police citing concerns there might be vandalism. Anyone who has been to any of the free speech community meetings knows that there is a very diverse group of people, with very diverse points of view, from diverse positions across the political spectrum, who have managed to come together despite their differences in defense of free speech. The mounting criticism of Pride Toronto's decision includes groups such as the 519 Community Centre, The Unity Conference for Gay-Straight Alliances, Buddies in Bad Times Theatre, Pink Triangle Press, Queer Ontario, The International Lesbian and Gay Association, and the list goes on. If the opposition is so marginal as Pride claims, then why haven't we seen an overwhelming number of community groups coming out in support of this decision? The group of past honourees who returned their awards consists of doctors, lawyers, artists and activists; these aren't a group of people you need to be afraid of, they're a group of people who have fought hard for many of the rights that people in our community now enjoy, and yet Pride chooses to call the police on them. For crying out loud, Faith Nolan brought her guitar and everyone stood in a big circle singing Bob Marley; that's hardly what I would call an angry mob. I'm sure Tracey's a nice person once you get to know her, and I'm sure that's probably true of the board members as well, but their messaging doesn't reflect that, and so a lot of people have a lot of very good reasons to be upset with them.

You say that you're concerned about the organization changing. This is, in fact, the concern that many people who have been critical of Pride Toronto this year share. We are concerned that the organization is turning its back on the local community, on our history and our politics. We are not "against Pride" but what we are against is a Pride that is not accountable to its community, but to its corporate sponsors, outside political influence and lobby groups. To echo what Martin says in the article, we don't want to tear Pride down, we want to fight for Pride, so that it remains accountable to the community, so that it puts the community first, so that it respects the diversity of our community, including our diverse opinions and politics (even those that we might not agree with). That's the Pride that I believe in, which is why I plan on volunteering this year, and encouraging others to do the same.

David Frankovich ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:18 PM

I absolutely agree David that pride has turned it's back on this community. The way the issue was handled both by PT and by the City is a disgrace. Both are culpable. People who volunteer for an organization are usually very committed or they wouldn't do so in the first place. Let's have a care that we don't alienate those people when we have a chance to teach them. Alex, this issue is actually very simple. Censoring two words that are legal and do not violate hate laws is more than just censorship, it is an attempt to muzzle legitimate protest and it is a violation of the charter rights of those involved. It's illegal. Those who engage in that behaviour are beneath contempt. It is our obligation, as activists and as people who know just how slippery this slope actually is, to speak out and to act. It's not about Tracy being good or bad, liked or disliked. For us it'a about her behaviour which has been less than stellar. For you it's about volunteering for an event you clearly support and enjoy. I hope you have a great pride weekend.

Peter Bochove ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:01 PM

I think David F's comment is a tremendous summary of where things are to date, and reflects what the vast majority of Pride Toronto critics are feeling. I agree that the volunteers should be commended for their hard work on the event--I hope that when the AGM comes around, that they will recognize the enormous crisis that Tracey and the board have caused this event, and vote appropriately.

David D. ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:29 PM

That all we need, to quote the well meaning volunteers "He said, that people who are angry should volunteer for the organization" i.e pride toronto. Using pride Toronto as a vehicle for promoting "ultimately" Quaia will intimate and manipulate both onlookers, as well as offend many Jewish people who are simple law ading citzens who may or may not support LGBT people, but are just coming to learn and enjoy a celebration. There "emotional well being is not even considered. was completely intimidating and manipulative at last years pride parade. This will open up alot of anti palestian terrorism protests, in our city. Many will start bringing attention to the roots of anti semetism, as well as Palestian terror funded by Hamas. You are going to need many more volunteer security in the coming years, as other communitys excercise their right protest in future Pride or other demonstrations. Quaia is effectively pitting people against people, with theier less then desire for civil obediance. securityThis is a broader issue, then "Young, naive, attention seeking, fundraising Quaia" is all there about. Oh yeah, and promoting Elle as the artist she says she is. She has whats called Jewish guilt, which she is capatilising on. Mea Culpa !

Jamie ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:33 PM

Yikes!

Can I also add, on the subject of "cheap shots" the attacks against QuAIA from people like Jamie, here. They have been the subject of an ongoing smear campaign to label them variously hateful, anti-Semitic, or even terrorists, none of which are true.

QuAIA is a group of people who are engaged in lawful political expression that is critical of the policies of the state of Israel, not the people of Israel, or the Jewish people, but the state. Period. They are peaceful protesters who have never engaged in violence or threats of violence. They have never committed hate speech. I'm not a member, myself, but I find it truly appalling that they are continually the target of people who seek to demonize them and shut them up.

If Pride Toronto were truly concerned with safety and security they would be protecting QuAIA, not banning them, since they have been the target of threats as well as actual violence, having had a bottle thrown at them at last year's parade. I, for one, do not feel safer because of Pride Toronto's decision. In fact, I feel less safe because of the dangerous precedent that it sets: if this can happen to QuAIA, it can happen to anyone.

And Jamie, I don't mean to be rude, but would it kill you to learn to spell?

David Frankovich ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:09 PM

No one has attacked the volunteers? Bullshit.

ricktelfer: @crystal_moore @evandean2010 @PrideToronto Yes, you "make Pride happen"! And #censorship too!!! Woohoo!!! #PrideTO #CanQueer #VoteTO #Ward27

This isn't community either.

Attacking the volunteers ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:49 PM

Pride has changed ànd grown over the past 30 years. Some in the community want a complete return to its roots of politcal activism and protest, some are happy with the current celebration that favours fun over politics. It appears that the two cannot co-exist. I wish there could be a dialog between the two sides to solve the impass, otherise I fear for the future of Pride.

Don ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:16 PM

David,I have a disAbility. Thanks for excersising your freedom of speech, and your apparent narrowminded assumptions as well. care to march with me, under a banners Queers lack of tolerance for people with visible and invisible disabilitys. Why dont you learn to read between the lines, if you were blessed without a writing problem. Your an IdioT!Hope I spelled that correctly so you can read it.

Jamie ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:11 PM

Further David, There is No evidence Tthat Quaia members have experienced Violence and threats as you say. Did they call the police, file a report. Stop making up lies. No one is demonizing them, we are simply pointing out that by using the terms "Israeli apartheied" and "Israeli terrorism", you can not in good conscious state this is separate from pointing a finger of blame for Israeli policy to the Jewish majority in their goverment. If Quaia is only about Israeli policies want dont they find away to support peace talks with the Goverment involved. Instead, you and they think you are evolved to state the Israelis, as a nation, made of of individual Jews, are persecuting violently innocent palestinians. If that does not support subliminal hate speech nothing does.

Jamie ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:16 PM

Yea, I forgot that the Rick Telfer also posted a message to his facebook group that I wrote to him privtely, insinuating that I was threatening him. See the "photos" section. That was a CHEAP SHOT.

Alex ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:54 PM

Jamie,

Thank you for participating in the discussion. I'm afraid you are mistaken on at least one point. Largely because of concerns that the group might encounter challenges on the parade route I escorted the QuAIA group in the parade last year. I was mere feet away when a bottle struck a member of the group about half-way into the parade and nearby when a participant's camera was damaged in a second assault.

It greatly saddens me that any participant has reason for concern. In the case of our parade the group actually encountering issues QuAIA.

However, as has been intimated, this problem is far more fundamental and systemic than just the exclusion of one group from a parade. Even the description of it as a conflict between politically engaged and party-focused members of the community is distractingly oversimplified.

I look forward to being able to comment on these issues following the festival.

Martin Kuplens-Ewart ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:03 PM

I appreciate your clarification, and opinion Mark. I am not sure who through a bottle from the crowd. But, if this was the case, security would have notified the many police officers assigned to the parade letting them know this paticular group felt physically discriminated against, and in turn filed a police report. If not for the bottle incident, that is being alleged was for Quaia position on israel , it may have been coming from the many homophobes we encounter each year regarding other groups marching in the parade. Surely if your claim as serving as security, and someone actually assaulted someone in your group because they had a camera, this is threatening behaviour, but this is also 1 year later, and no one either reported it , or got a police officer to help, or further followed a complaint. It was never raised before Queers opposing the message Quaia stands for. If someone attacked me as I was supporting a cause, the first thing I would do is get one of the officer, or get volunteer security to stay with the perpatrator and call the police. But you guys didn't do any of that, so how threatening or violated to you and the group feel. I am open to listen Mark, and understand.

Jamie ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:03 PM

Again, you do not have all the information. A number of police officers swiftly attended the person who had been hit. If no police report was filed, that is likely because it would have been impossible to identify the origin of the bottle, as you correctly point out.

However, be assured it happened and Toronto Police were not only made
aware of it, several officers attended.

Martin Kuplens-Ewart ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:02 PM

Mark I want to quote what the columnist says in the above article regarding you heading up the volunterr security. "While some of the tasks won’t be available to people who haven’t done specific training, there will still be lots of things to do, Kuplens-Ewart promises." It appears as though you were there, and had special training regarding being feet away from the the incidents you say occurred. Am I and others not right to assume, getting a police officer or filing a complaint as an assault would be part of the special training which is protocol for you, and some other special security. I am genuinely interested, as my hope for a safe pride is for those in the parade, and those watching and learning from the messages we as the LGBT community send the onlookers. Trust me when I say, many on the sidelines are there to watch the interesting and colorful ways people celebrate.
I

Jamie ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:53 PM

Thanks for explaining Mark. I think then a greater police present for all vulnerable contingents in the Pride march or any alternative march would indeed be neccesary. I sincerely hope that everyone who is marching or just celebrating our Lgbt freedom in Toronto, becomes paramount. regardless of of differing opinions on this post,I do value our diversity as a community.

Jamie ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:18 PM

This is all such BS and so fucking negative. Doesn't anyone on here have any sort of life besides spending time posting useless shit and bashing other people for their opinions? How many of you will be leaving your computer screens to go out in force at the G20 and protest the Israel/Palestine issue? I hope all of you, as it seems it is the most (or only) issue in your life. Certainly Pride isn't the only place to protest..is it?

Chris ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:09 PM

Hey Alex,
when tracey came over to ask you if you needed a break- did she carry the banner, or did she make someone else?
i was at montreal pride- never once saw her carrying anything other than a drink.

Tom Smith ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:00 PM

QuAIA isn't going to be protesting the G20 -they're focusing their energy on ruining Toronto's Pride Parade, not actual protesting.

I'd love to see them in their pink Ts waving their little fists. Too bad QAIA is only interested in terrorizing the gays.

Oliver ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:39 PM

Alex, I think the text of your message speaks for itself. I'll let others make their own judgments: http://j.mp/d0M7FT

I note, too, that you replied with:
"Sorry, my fault... Rick explained to me in his response what libel is so I'm glad he's cleared up the matter. I definitely wasn't threatening anyone... just behind Tracey. Rick, thanks for posting this! You're a champ."

Now, let's always keep at the forefront of our minds the basic facts about Pride Toronto and Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA). The facts are simple and clear.

The two primary requirements for participation in Pride are to be:
(1.) part or supportive of the LGBT community; and,
(2.) law-abiding.

QuAIA [http://www.quaia.org] meets both of these requirements. Singling out one group that meets the requirements and then banning its lawful political speech is censorship [http://tinyurl.com/censordef2].

In Canada, freedom of expression -- including lawful political speech -- is constitutionally protected as a fundamental right. That right is a foundational pillar of any liberal democracy.

Rick ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:17 PM

Chris - gotta disagree with you there. With a couple exceptions and instances of misinformation, this has (so far) been on the whole a very positive dialogue. Smile

Martin Kuplens-Ewart ca


Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:00 PM

Tom,

She did... for like an hour. THAT parade needs some organization... moved like molasses.

greg ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:11 AM

QuAIA will be at the G8/G20. Just like we supported No One Is Illegal on May Day. Yes, we are queer and we are serious about our political message. Pride is the only parade we get kicked out of for some reason, despite being queer and addressing queer issues.

fyi- During Pride we will have a queer from Palestine to come and speak to the community!

Sav. ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:24 PM

David F.
Thank you so much for your inspiring and solid points here. These are times for clear heads and I think you have called it clearly here while not taking any bait from anyone to get off message. I echo your position here and thank you very much for taking on such a strong and considered position. Pride will be better this year because of voices like yours.
r

roy ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:33 PM

My friend who is not Gay just pointed something out, I never thought of, it's interesting. he said, Quaia message may look like it is in support of oppressed minoritys, however the muslim families my friend counsels has expressed their dislike that "gay people" and Jewish people are fighting for there voice". He expressed to me they didnt trust "queers to be fighting from "homosexuality" under the guise of educating the public of there plight. my friend send many muslims looking on this issue, beleive the outcome is to "turn their children LGBT". I am wondering if both sides of the issues, are aware of this perspective. Is Quaia really advancing anyones issue when they palestians are "thanking them" in fear of the consequences for supporting Quaia. The issue may be first to reduce the homophobic attitudes that go counter to the culture that you are giving a voice to.

Jamie ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:13 PM

I am surprised you don't know how many people hate homosexuals around the world, muslims, jews and christians. I am highly aware. In canada there is a lot more serious cases of harassment of homosexuals than any other minority. If you don't know these things, I have to ask, are you queer? Many orthodox jews had a riot, burned tires, over Jerusalem pride. Someone got stabbed at a pride parade in Israel and someone else attacked one of our youth centres there. Many christians, as you know, hate our guts and have no problem having entire organizations to counter us, keep us from having equal rights, etc. Yes Jamie, outside of a few havens like Toronto, everyone dislikes us. Jamaica dislikes us very much and so does much of Africa as the christians there and the muslims there like to promote hatred towards us. Latin America has improved but one can hardly say it is an ok place for gays and lesbians to live freely. This leads me to a question... what is your point? I still want Israel to stop oppressing palestinians and I don't care what some bigotted muslims think. Why do you care what a few biggoted muslims think?

Sean ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:34 PM

Sean , of course I am Gay, and my point of "news" of many muslims feelings around our sexuality was not the parellel. The point was, My friend was wondering if Quaia and their jewish supporters knew "many?" Muslims are confused, and "uncomfortable with LGBT community, and Jewish pro palestinians fighting on their behalf. Many are not pleased, and more afrid of the homophobic relationship to Quaia agenda. It is just another perspective. As Queers, we should be coming to help our jewish orthodox communities and the larger muslim communities, and another other "straight" fearing homosexual community to fight against LGBT discrimination based on sexuality. If Quaia and free speech marched , and made change in the religious and culturally different communitys. Creating peace talks in the middle east wuld have a better shot. You will forgive sean for not continuing to be baited by you regarding what I was saying in the last post. All neccesary points have been made. Good luck in your freedom of "speec" march for all.

Jamie ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:48 PM

I don't know how greg knew that, but he. is. correct.!!

Alex ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:21 PM

Hi Jamie, I don´t see why you should tell anyone what human rights they should fight for. I know a lot of muslims and arabs who don´t care about my sexuality. I even, and hold on to your keyboard here, know gay muslims.

Sean ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:12 PM

Oh, and I have always stood behind that message to you Rick, because it was from the heart. That was really before the shit hit the fan and before I was in the weeds with all of these vendors.

It's now Wednesday and after a full day of half work and half Pride then a full day of work then another half work half day of Pride staring me in the face... it's daunting. And Peter, I will do my best to continue to do my best and make the meetings and sign the contracts... but it's sooo much.

I can only speak for myself and to the observations of those that work for this... we hurt and we are sad about the turn of events. Personally... I want to feed Pride. I want people to be in the throws of ecstasy and turn to their left and see veggie options or locally sourced and still delicious options. I have, so far, accomplished that.

But, we need some support. I don't know the true story. I don't know why QUAIA cannot march this year but was allowed to last year. However, I can strongly assume that it had nothing to do with Pride Toronto as an organization. An organization that just wants to program and to build stages and to have decent food... the real fight is against the city, the province and the government. I assume.

We, currently, are focused because we are going to make this whole fucking thing happen. I... I Will finish up my contract re-signings, vendor seducing, paperwork re-organizing, email answering, staff placating, vendor assuring work that I have been doing non-stop for the past 4 months. It never slows down, but thats cool.

The fight is not internal. It never has been, and I can leave you with that. Tracey, from my experience has been nothing but a leader. She knows her role within the organization and she is extremely stabalizing. I had an issue, she called me within seconds, not based on an email, but on a FACEBOOK STATUS.

I will be on site in a few weeks, and I will be requiring hugs. My first year, my first lifetime. I will appreciate it.

Alex ca


Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:26 PM

Oh, and Tracey's wife shoting people that walk by the car with... i don't know... explosive paper projectiles... I've never laughed harder in my 3 years in Canada. (In Montreal Fierte/Pride)

Alex ca


Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:46 AM

Okay, now, getting back to the basic facts.

The two primary requirements for participation in Pride are to be:
(1.) part or supportive of the LGBT community; and,
(2.) law-abiding.

QuAIA [http://www.quaia.org] meets both of these requirements.

If anybody has concrete evidence to the contrary, then please, by all means, post it so that it may be evaluated.

And to reiterate: Singling out one group that meets the requirements and then banning its lawful political speech is censorship [http://tinyurl.com/censordef2].

Rick ca


Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:35 PM

If QuAia is for free speech, why are the comments shut off on their website?

hello ca


Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:17 PM

I wanted to say thanks to Martin for his comments here and for what he had to say at the June 7th community meeting (also, Hi!). One of the personal benefits I'm getting out of this disagreement is that I'm more engaged and motivated to participate in the queer community than I've ever been since moving to Toronto almost 10 years ago. I won't be volunteering this year, because it doesn't sit right with me, and I feel that my energies can be better put to use participating in and supporting some of the alternative actions in support of free speech, but comments like Martin's have reminded me of the necessity of a longer view. In a couple of weeks, Pride 2010 will be a memory, but I plan to be engaged in working towards free speech for a long time to come, and I think volunteering for Pride 2011 will be a good way to start.

Marc G. ca


Sunday, June 20, 2010 1:09 PM

I wish I could refer many of the people here to a good therapist....It sounds like there are some real issues here that have nothing to do with Pride. I'm all for it being covered by OHIP.

roy ca



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