Thursday, May 6, 2010 4:23 PM

This is an atrocity. This needs to be voted down but I am very leery of what the outcome will be.

Shawn Syms

Thursday, May 6, 2010 7:38 PM

I'm confident that when they here what QuAIA is actually about and what the chant actually was that council will reject this this motion. Mamoliti has a well documented history of anti-gay bigotry and has only based his motion on Gladstone's propaganda piece that had to resort to made up chants and video clips from other demonstrations in other cities that had nothing at all to do with QuAIA, you can be sure if Gladstone had found some actual dirt on QuAIA it would have been in the video but nothing's there but name calling and fictionalized accounts of QuAIA participation in the Pride march last year. If given a fair chance funding won't be cut and QuAIA won't be banned.

Rich

Friday, May 7, 2010 6:35 AM

What is amazing is that this guy is running for Mayor. He can´t even get the name of the group right, not to mention that a grade-school child knows it is called an anti-discrimination bill. Maybe HE has never read it? At his point, Joe Pantalone has my vote. Meanwhile, Gladstone is a disgrade to our community. What kind of a person has all the time in the world to make false accusations and edit a video so that it lies? And, does it in such an evident way that he uses black and white grainy footage? What? He thiks no one will notice? Someone was using an old super 8? Wait, Mammoliti didn´t notice, which says much about his critical skills. This guy shouldn´t be Mayor or a city councilor. And Gladstone, what sleaze gag! What kind of a human being behaves that way? That this guy is a lawyer! I hope we have a long memory and remember what these two clowns tried to do.

Tam

Friday, May 7, 2010 7:39 AM

GM Is no gay friend--He voted against same sex rights against his own party's position not once but twice (late 80;s and early 90's) . And the reasoning behind the 'ban"is based on absurd falsehoods in Gladstone's film and op ed piece in yesterday Post (e.g swasitkas, "hate" Israel, not a t all a gay or human right issue etc...) But the emotion and rhetoric is running high against the group being allowed to do what many controversial (eg. nudists, other human rights groups not involved in Toronto pride issues, etc) and more often commercial groups (eg TD BAnk, various beers) do every year. Let's hope George S, Kyle R and other powerful gay politicos and other progressives and anti-censorship types work to stop this from passing otherwise it will be very perhaps a death blow to Pride as we have known it for decades. Oh so political exploitative of many and how very sad!

james dubro

Friday, May 7, 2010 10:14 AM

Frankly, I am hoping some decent straight folk stand up to this. George and Rae... I am not sure where they are in this.

Tam

Friday, May 7, 2010 10:17 AM

For the umpteenth time, this is not an anti-gay issue. This is about not letting hostile weirdos hijack a publicly funded community event to scam a racist and hostile agenda. But I think the Pride Folks should continue their "death spiral" and kowtow to the terror supporters and have their funding revoked.
That way the next Pride type event will maybe have people running it who aren't racist idiots.

Brian

Friday, May 7, 2010 11:03 AM

He needs to go.....just like Harper this guy is a narrow minded asshole...he hates gays he thinks he is hot shit....If you remember Harper fired Tourism Minister Diane Ablonczy for giving money to Pride....now Mammoliti is try to stop funding too....I hate to say this but Hitler comes to mind...people beware no one though he was the devil and look what happen...if these two had there way gays would be put to death or put behind bars....Speak up now folks and do not let Mammoliti get away with this....Toronto is know world wild for it's Gay Pride...they see us here as a open minded country....and if we are going to host World Pride in 2014 we should not let pricks like him give Pride a black eye.....Queers Against Israel Apartheid should be in the parade just like all the other...Mammoliti is nothing more then a Harper clone.....We see you for how your really are Giorgio....

DJ

Friday, May 7, 2010 2:38 PM

@ Brian first off get your head out of your ass....learn about the group b4 you speak....they have nothing to do with terror support....second you think this city is better with that guy as mayor....Pride is see world wide as a great event and even more so in Toronto....Where can you go and have police...the military and other all come together for one cause...Brian you have been brain wash and you need to learn your facts b4 you speak......

DJ

Friday, May 7, 2010 7:59 PM

RE: GM's Motion (MM49.12)

What's really precious? ...
A straight person defining what PRIDE is all about and its raison d'etre.

Also:
Within this official document (being presented to City Council) certain claims are made.
These claims are actionable. Will QuAIA refute these accusations publicly and provide the proof (Which MG seems to have failed to provide) and therefore stop this anti-QuAIA propaganda once and for all?

I for one would like to see the anti-QuAIA misinformation campaign cease.

Lisa Duke

Saturday, May 8, 2010 9:00 AM

Now, the federal government has pulled its funding for Pride. See: www.thestar.com/.../806526--stephen-harper-government-won-t-fund-toronto-gay-pride-festival I wonder if corporate sponsors will be the next to pull funding as a result of the hateful chants of the "Queer Anti-Israel Group" in the parade.

Flanders

Saturday, May 8, 2010 11:44 AM

First,
Mammoliti is so far back from having a chance to win the race to be Mayor, so he's pulling this stunt in hopes of getting more supporter for his campaign. Problem is those who might support him also support the likes of Ford who is also running. Poor Mammi just wants to make himself seem important. The best thing we can do is ignore him, not the issue but him. Don't give him.his name any print.

Second,
I stopped attending the Sunday parade years back. It's no longer about being lesbian or gay or just plain queer. Not when we see big floats from organisations that the rest of the year have very little to do with supporting the community or putting their name out there to support various cases, such as the homophobic beating of the two moms a few years back or the woman just a few months ago.

Will they put their names beside the bill about he be argued for the CHRA for basic protections under that act for people who are transexual and for people that are transgender?

No I enjoy walking with my sisters on Saturday with grassroots organisations walking along side(not in big huge corporate floats we see on Sunday). Yes there are grass root orgs on Sunday as well, but their message is mostly lost/hidden.

As for QuAIA, I have mixed feelings but also believe in the right for anyone to make their message heard. After all Toronto isn't Red Square. Or is it?

femme

Saturday, May 8, 2010 4:36 PM

When and where is the townhall meeting on this...shit, things are hitting the rainbow flag!

pete 2

Saturday, May 8, 2010 8:40 PM

Yeah, let's have a town hall meeting at the 519. QuAIA members and their supporters from OCAP (see http://update.ocap.ca/taxonomy/term/160) will come and stack the meeting. They will likely march in a menacing manner around the room, chant hate slogans against Israel and attack their opponents. That's how QuAIA operates at Pride - see http://reclaimingourpride.ca/. That's how OCAP operates when they march in downtown neighbourhoods against middle class residents who they call "yuppie scum" - see: www.johnb.smugmug.com/.../6140652_rcGWF

Flanders

Sunday, May 9, 2010 4:44 AM

So how does a Middle Eastern War have anything to do with Gay Rights in Canada? and yet still goes unanswered and I can only wonder why?

Peter

Sunday, May 9, 2010 4:04 AM

@Flanders

They most likely wanted this to happen this is how the operate and sometimes they act more like the Christian Right in preaching their hate to the flock since it the good news, or benefits them in the short run and are most likely paid to do this and yet it brought out all the Anti Gay people such as Mammoliti into this debate since it shouldn't have made it to city hall to begin with if someone organization could not see that they might have a discrimination problem on their hands.( Very Blinded and yet the might see the light but its to late to save them.)

Peter

Sunday, May 9, 2010 10:43 AM

Wow.

So not supporting the annual naked persons parade makes you like Hitler.

Wow.

Sanwin

Sunday, May 9, 2010 11:11 AM

Peter wrote:

"So how does a Middle Eastern War have anything to do with Gay Rights in Canada? and yet still goes unanswered and I can only wonder why? "

This is actually a very good point. The reality is that there is a elements of the radical far-left in our society that have a specialized agenda that are cynical enough to foist themselves into and bugger a soft, accepting, liberal, pluralist scenario ..

The mgmt of Pride obviously have been hornswoggled. It's not a complicated moral decision to oust vile clowns like QUAIA. who should have been no more welcome in Pride events than the Hell's Angels or the KKK.

Anyway, it's probably too late now to realign their moral compass.. the damage has been done and the $$$ sponsors are withdrawing support.

Brian

Sunday, May 9, 2010 1:26 PM

Sanwin

I'm very supportive of Pride and Gay Rights in our Country it just a rather said day of what we worked so hard for has been set back about 40 years such our local, federal governments wanting nothing to do with us anymore or companies who just not that long ago wanted nothing to do with us because of who we are this does say a lot that they wanted be with us and not against us and I just don't like the idea of a Middle Eastern War that saw so much suffering and hate on both sides being imported into our community I think that we should have being finding ways of creating understanding between these two peoples then bring the war home and all because of one group.

Peter

Sunday, May 9, 2010 2:29 PM

The far-left? What Peter, Brian and Flanders don't understand is how much support QaIA have from a lot of different groups of people. People who have never attended a protest, like myself, are considering going. I don't even like protests and I think protesters are usually misinformed even if I might sympathize with the core of their values... but QaIA, they are very smart. In any case, it was the far-right, the pro-Israel group, was the one that brought this war to our country Peter. Did you say anything then? Did you say anything when they put posters up saying, as Israel was bombing millions and killing thousands while at the same time destroying the infrastructure of Lebanon and the little Gaza has, "Israel and Canada together as one". All over. When I noticed what was going on with Israel and Palestine, Israel had already made this our issue, and we were somehow to be on their side. We weren't even asked to be on their side on those posters, they were so arrogant that they were telling us we were on their side. That we were one. But, we aren't demolishing the houses of non-dominant ethnic groups to make way for the dominant ethnic group? We are multicultural and we all have the same rights... we are nothing like Israel. We give the Pro-Israel group tax breaks on contributions to Israel through charities. We were involved by the same hypocritical side that now says we shouldn't bring the middle east here... well, they should have made sure we weren't involved to start with... don't you think? You can't call on your neighbours to solve a domestic dispute and then be upset that they don't agree with you... that just sound like an abusive husband to me.

Tam

Sunday, May 9, 2010 2:06 PM

Peter, the Harper government doesn't want to give us money since last year... remember? Their backers are the christian right and such strange groups as the pro-Israel group.... but let's be clear, those groups are backing a government that has never been friendly to homosexuals... and if you don't know that... if you conveniently forgot that to make a bad argument... I don't know why bother to give an opinion about why they won't fund us. If you don't know why, why would you say that? Then, to say that the City of Toronto doesn't want anything to do with us is ridiculous. Can you imagine the riot if we were cancelled? We have a lot of supporters in the city of toronto because Pride is an integral part of the city. The fact that your stronger defenders at city hall are a bunch of far right, mediocre, homophes and that you are so happy they are doing this to your commuinity shows us where your loyalties are, and they aren't with Pride Toronto or the queer commuity at large.

Tam

Sunday, May 9, 2010 2:42 PM

Brian, darling.... "this is a very good point".... no it isn't... and obviously you aren't qualified to make that judgement. Do you know people at QaIA? No. You call them names and compare them to hate groups with no evidence. You call them clowns, they aren't. I would call you a clown, but you aren't, you aren't funny you are just a sad example of someone trying to appear smart. You actually think that we are stupid enough to not see through a terrible attempt at convincing rhetoric. Don't you know that our community is relatively more educated than the average population? Hate is throwing high tech missiles in civilian populations killing thousands including children. Hate is not caring about those people to the degree that you would defend those who throw those missiles. Hate is not caring that a group of people are being displaced, the land being made available only to jewish people. That 97% of Israel proper is Jewish-only and that the West Bank is being slowly stolen by settlers is hate... that is hate... but it isn't just hate... it is hatred in action.

Tam

Sunday, May 9, 2010 2:17 PM

And, Flanders... no, that is how the Pro-Israel group behaves. During the war with Lebanon a group in Hillel decided to create a messaging system that would let them know every time a poll was conducted about people's opinions so that they could fill them. A small newspaper didn't just get their readership polled, they got a bunch of fanatics rigging the polls. The Israeli government found out about this and with a straight face said that they were just doing that to counter the bad, one sided, publicity they were getting. It never ocurrs to the Israeli government it seems that that isn't publicity, it is that the world was horrified, that we have never seen such a disproportiate response to tensions in which Israel is certainly not a victim, but a part of the problem. Anywya, the Israel govertnment provided them with professional researchers to help them out. Then there was the crappy manipulating video of Gladstone... trying to say that things were said that weren't said, and finding the one photo of folded t-shirt to make a point that now everyone knows was a lie. Pro-Israel or QaIA manipulating information? Pro-Israel it seems. Then there were the filling the focus groups with people who agreed with the Pro-Israel stance. So I don't get it. Israel behaves hatefully, it hires an advertising machine for its propaganda, the Pro-Israel group pesters and manipulates information.... it is as if everything they do they call the other side... it frankly is unbelievable. What kind of people behave that way? What kind of people make a list of self-hating jews and puts it on the net? The pro-Israel side. They are in the thousands and include all kinds of people seeking peace. Israel is offered peace, rejects it and says the other side doesn't want peace. And so it goes on and on. I feel Israel needs to change its government and get on with peace. Maybe then Peter et al can stop having to worry so much about it and have a normal life.

Tam

Sunday, May 9, 2010 3:54 PM

@ Tam

This country was never Gay Friendly even what political party says( Israel is not the problem but political parties such as the Liberals, NDP, Bloc or the Conservatives only say nice things to get votes try to get either the Gay , Jewish, Christian, Muslim votes to get into Parliament ) I also remember that Most Canadians don't even like same sex marriage either and yes just like the Christian Right you preach hate and also preaching a scam and only in it for the the short run benefits and are blinded from what the say or even their actions . But this group is more like Israel when they use the holocaust to justify anything they do the Palestinians and advance their political agenda in the West , they also use human suffering as a card too and the QuAIA is no different since uses the the suffering of Palestinians to justify any political activities here and Tam Please tell me how does a Middle Eastern War have anything to do with Gay Rights in Canada? I fail to see how any side has anything to do with gay rights in Canada.

I bet that the QuAIA wanted this to happen since like Israel they can use human suffering to advance their political agenda. Also Pride as become a martyr and they can use it to advance their agenda even more so could the Pro Israel parts of this debate can use it to advance their political agenda. They will just blame each other for causing this mess. That's rather interesting since both Israel and the Anti Israel forces uses the same cards and yet both sides are blind to see they have more in common then they might think.

Also I don't support what City Hall or the Federal Government is doing since anyone could see that Pride had a discrimination problem and yet they failed to act on it and if they did none of this wouldn't have happen in the first place. But tell me are there groups using a Middle Eastern War and human suffering in the Santa Clause Parade I don't think they would allow it since they might lose funding and sponsors or I bet they could see how a Middle Eastern War has nothing to do with Santa Clause or even Christmas even both sides want peace on earth

Peter

Sunday, May 9, 2010 3:30 PM

@ Tam

Are there any Pro Israel or Pro Palestinian Groups using the Santa Claus Parade such as Santa Claus for Israel or Santa Claus for Palestine? or are they allowing either side to use it as a front to advance the political agenda in the Santa Claus Parade at Christmas? I bet both sides say they want Peace on Earth. I bet both sides could say how they do have something to do Santa Claus Parade and both sides could pull it off if they wanted too.

In our case Pride was used as a front for a Middle Eastern War and both sides made it a martyr and they could use to advance their agendas either it be Gladstone, Mammoliti or the QuAIA also all sides are blinded by their actions or maybe both sides might find away to use the Santa Claus Parade since both sides have a vision of Peace on Earth I would really like to see someone pull that one off, some how they could

Peter

Sunday, May 9, 2010 4:18 PM

PEter said, "But this group is more like Israel when they use the holocaust to justify anything they do the Palestinians and advance their political agenda in the West , they also use human suffering as a card too and the QuAIA is no different since uses the the suffering of Palestinians to justify any political activities here" I don´t undersand Peter, do you think that Israel, the Pro-Israel group and QaIA are the same? Would you be happy if we banned them all? No placards saying "Canada and Israel as one", we make sure that only neutral parties give accounts of what happened in the middle east? If you are as opposed to the pro-Israel group as you are to the QaIA where have you posted calling them hateful? Why only QaIA? Why be willing, as a homosexual, to sacrifice Pride over the fact that they are willing to have both sides of the debate?

Tam

Sunday, May 9, 2010 4:19 PM

Peter, if you are the same Peter from other threads, your question about what does the middle eastern war have to do with the Gay Pride parade has been responded to a million times and you conveniently ignore it.

Tam

Sunday, May 9, 2010 4:33 PM

Peter, Pride isn´t being a martyr... Pride continues to be what it has always been.. a place to voice divergent opinions. I personally am happy to hear that you aren´t one sided about this. It seems you want them both out... interesting. I don´t want QaIA out, so I am willing to put up with straight people parasating by joining a valid group, though I think misguided in its suport for Israel, Kulanu, in the parade. Why wouldn´t you be willing to have them both march, and have people make up their own mind, if you are truy equally bothered by their behaviour and given that this has always happened in Pride Parades? Where you around for the South African debate? Do argue against queers against what is happenning at Darfur? Was this something that always bothered you about the way Pride is? That it isn´t just a big party? I am just wondering because I am not sure what your problem is in letting people give their side of the story in a parade. Queer people at that.

Tam

Sunday, May 9, 2010 5:14 PM

But that question does go unanswered and either side can't seem to answer it right we have one side asnwered it becasue of Israel is the only country in the Middle East with Gay rights and the other thinking that the evil Zionist control everything and must be destroyed( sound more like the KKK) and are the oppressors of Gay Palestinians and that is not the case either since Hamas or the Palestinian National Authority could care less about Gay Rights anyway like their Arab or Persian Brothers and bankers like to kill us for who we are.

So again,How does a Middle Eastern War has anything to do with Gay Rights in Canada?

and yes Tam since both sides are using Human Suffering card to only advance their political agendas and Yes Tam country's such as Israel and Canada do face problems with discrimination might answer the "Canada and Israel as one" part.I'm usually reminded of this when Arabs in Israel do hold public offices, places in the government including the office of the President just ask formal president of Israel Majallie Whbee(Kadima MK ) then {www.totallyjewish.com/news/world/?content_id=5753} and enjoy equal rights to Jews the QuAIA ignores it unlike blacks had in South Africa had under Apartheid but also like any minority in any country do face discrimination from the elements of the Majority just like in Canada but I doubt anyone label us as Apartheid becasue nearly 80% of Canadians are of a European background and the usual targets of discrimination in Canada are Gays, Jews, Muslims(ask many going to the airport for example),Africans, and our native people(also the European stolen land from them to Toronto being a example of one of many European cites found outside of Europe).

I also see how Israel or the QuAIA using human suffering such as the holocaust or even Palestinians and thinking that their conflict has anything to do with gay rights in Canada. I really think the Middle East should stay in the Middle East and neither Israeli's or Palestinians should be used to advance someone political agenda on either side if this debate or should Israelis or Palestinians should be punish because of the actions of their own government but since both sides can't seem to see this then the QuAIA and Israel do have a lot in common then you might think such as using human suffering only to advance their political agendas and again thinking some how it has anything to do with Gay Rights in Canada.

Peter

Sunday, May 9, 2010 5:24 PM

Tam
to answer your last part I did answer it because Pride became a martyr that both sides can use because they are just going to blame each other for not having it this year and all the Anti- Gay people are also using it to advance their agenda to like Giorgio Mammoliti for example

Peter

Sunday, May 9, 2010 8:52 PM

Re: Pride/QUAIA Parade Death spiral cont'd

Thank you for elegantly making my point, per above Tam & Peter. And one more little thing. No one can blame the Harper Gov't for being anti-Gay in all this. As far as we know, Immigration Canada still accepts sexual refugees from benighted places like Iran, where Gays are hung from building cranes in public squares.

Now there's a place that could USE a Pride parade.

Somebody should have had a clue and noticed that both the Ontario Legislature and the Toronto public school system condemned the travesty called "Israel Apartheid Week" as blatantly racist.

Now go squabble.

Brian

Monday, May 10, 2010 11:20 AM

Peter, Now you are back to being ridiculous. For a second there I thought you might actually have a more balanced and reasonable opinion than the one you showed in previous threads. I don't believe that QaIA wants to destroy everything, I certainly don't. Indeed QaIA (have you been to their website) has a very broad definition of what would be acceptable for them in terms of human rights that provides for the possibility of a two-state peace settlement as long as everyone is treated the same. I don't see how that is destroying everything. The only thing they are targeting is the discrimination, the ocupation, the use of military force, the lack of a leadership in Israel that is truly committed to peace. Their position does not rule out the existence of a Jewish state (I am assuming with something comparable to 1967) along side a Palestinial state. How can you then make such propostrous claim as to say that they want to destroy everything? Not only that, but like I, people at QaIA have family and friends in Israel. And, I am pretty sure that they, like me, don't want harm done to them. How can asking the Israeli government to stop abusing palestinians be hatred? How can wanting to impose sanctions until Israel changes its ways be hatred? I just want them to get really serious about peace... and frankly, that is to the benefit of both Israelies and Palestinians.

Tam

Monday, May 10, 2010 11:59 AM

A few other things... what QaIA is trying to say is tha Israel oppresses gay palestinians, not because they are gay, but because they are palestinian... Peter, if 93% of Israel is jewish-only *no arabs allowed* how can you say Arabs in Israel enjoy equal rights? That makes no sense. At all. You have been told they have equal rights. There cannot be equal rights if Jewish people can live anywhere and Arabs can only live in 7% of the land. There are no equal rights if the government doesn't give them permits to build but yes if you are jewish. That isn't equal rights Peter.

Tam

Monday, May 10, 2010 11:18 AM

Peter... you are very wrong, Pride will happen. We are all on. We have had worse problems before. For years we were even on the red... don't you worry... you will have Pride, I will have Pride, we will all have Pride.

Tam

Monday, May 10, 2010 11:30 AM

Brian, we will... and when you have something interesting to say... that is well informed... maybe you can join in.

Tam

Monday, May 10, 2010 12:59 PM

@Tam
Really if you think Israel is Jewish only then please explain all those Arab MKs and also a Druze President then?. And So what if a minority faces discrimination it happens in all countries including Canada are we a Apartheid Since 80% of the population is European and some discriminate against minorities and Canada gives all equal rights and also ask or Native population they are force to live on reserves and also non natives can't live on them too sounds like Apartheid to me Did South Africa under Apartheid had any black presidents?

Peter

Monday, May 10, 2010 1:16 PM

Peter, I meant 93% of the land was only for jewish people to build houses. I got that reference from Haaretz. That is institutionalized discrimination. That isn't happenning in Canada Peter where people can buy land wherever they want to live and if there was JNF it would probably be broken apart because landlords in Canada are not allowed to discriminate on the basis of religion. Natives in Candad, PETER, are not forced to live in reserves, they can live wherever they want and buy houses wherever you want. Are you even Canadian? Do you even know anything about this country? Non-natives live in reserves but can be asked to leave, which, btw, let to a community uproar. So, what exactly are you making up this time? This isn't just a bunch of racists Peter, it is racists that can go into private land and erect their houses there... meaning in the West Bank. Racists who cover their faces and beat old palestinian women, should I send you the video? Only to, with video evidence and all, have to hear from the police that there isn't enough evidence to pursue the case. To their credit, fair minded, non racists, in Israel demanded action and finally were granted action. That said, it appears the IDF and the police are quick with guns when it comes to arabs and very forgiving when it comes to abuses of arabs by Israelis. If Israel wants to tell us that it is a great democracy, it better live up to it. It cannot spend millions trying to convince us and then say... well, everyone has problems, so what, we have the most problems, and we like to shoot before asking questions... they advertised themselves as it... it was a lie.

Tam

Monday, May 10, 2010 2:29 PM

@ Tam

So why do the QuAIA or Israeli groups want to turn Pride into a front for a Middle Eastern War and quoting Haaretz and this is Israeli Media from Tel Aviv ? in Israel? and is that link you want to give me found under the resources part on the QuAIA website? Interesting you just proven every-time you do this that your Apartheid is a lie since South African Media under Apartheid never reported about the conditions of blacks ( they did not care) but then again Discrimination is still a problem in this country but Are we a Apartheid since we have Discrimination among minorities and have you ever heard of Housing Discrimination(www.hnc.utoronto.ca/publish/index.htm,)(http://www.ontariotenants.ca/.../gm-00g18.phtml) and maybe you should explain discrimination in this country want a link here is one that are published cases of discrimination in Canada{www.chrc-ccdp.ca/.../...etical_alphabetique-en.asp}(also has what is Discrimination a group did cross that line and Pride failed to do anything about it and that is why we are in this mess)
and really about Non Natives not being force to leave{www.nationalpost.com/.../story.html?id=2515716}
and yes Tam I'm Canadian and Queer

but how is this even a have to do with Gay Rights in Canada or even a Middle Eastern War to that matter and anyone can't even give a answer to that I do support you right to protest but you people have a week to do it and even Queens Park and Tam think about it if Israel was only jewish then why did they have a Druze(Non Jewish) formal President of Israel Majallie Whbee (www.knesset.gov.il/.../mk_eng.asp {oddly still has seat you have to be elected to get a seat) and Arab Parties that are like the Bloc( I really don't think they could ever win a federal election) and here a link to one Arab Party in the Knesset (www.knesset.gov.il/.../FactionPage_eng.asp?PG=103)

but Again how does this have to do with Gay Rights in Canada?

Peter

Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:22 PM

Every gay person should be fighting to keep our gay pride parade about gay pride. DONT LET THIS FRINGE ANTI-ISRAEL group take our pride away!

Gay med