Tuesday, October 6, 2009

Mr Sub fires ad agency after complaints of homophobia

Does this Mr Sub commercial offend you? If you can't watch the video, here's a synopsis: a large family is sitting at a dining room table, and the father says he has announcement to make: he's gay. One of the children asks, "You mean, like gay, gay?" to which the father responds, "Like super, super gay." Then a voice-over: "Not everyone likes surprises - so count on Mr Sub, a Canadian classic for over 40 years."

 

Marketing Mag reports today that Mr Sub has fired the ad agency, BOS, that created the 30-second spot. The decision comes after a few disgruntled tweets, an outraged Facebook group and a letter-writing campaign by some members of the Canadian Auto Workers union.

"We must let Mr Sub know that making fun of our LGBT sisters and brothers and the very difficult and often painful coming out process is no way to sell submarine sandwiches," says CAW communications director Shannon Divine, according to Marketing Mag.

But cooler heads on Twitter and gay activist listservs questioned the outrage: is the ad actually homophobic? Or is it a step forward for gay visibility? Some encouraged others to email Mr Sub to express their support for the ad campaign.

"We did not mean to belittle the ‘coming out’ experience," wrote BOS in an email to Marketing Mag. "Nor did we mean to imply that it was a bad thing. In fact, we were very careful to downplay the reactions of the family members so the father’s announcement would not be perceived as being catastrophic. It is most unfortunate that others have interpreted this commercial otherwise.”

What do you think? Do we all need to lighten up a bit?


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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:06 PM

We do, indeed, need to lighten up a bit. That ad spot is well, funny – plain and simple.

Matthew Pavelich ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:16 PM

I agree we do need to lighten up...however I really didn't find that spot funny, well written or particularly memorable

Scott Bryen ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:32 PM

I disagree. 'Not everyone likes surprises' implies it's not a good surprise, and it isn't in this case. How showing an unhappy situation for a family is going to want to make people buy more subs is beyond me. I totally tuned out the end of the ad, so focused was I on what the father had just said. I could easily have written an unhappy surprise that didn't focus on any particular minority - ie. locking yourself out of your home, not having enough gas in your car on a country road, etc. etc. The ad agency deserved to be cut and whomever approved this from Mr. Sub, should too.

Todd bg


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:18 PM

Homophobia my ass, I couldn't even get past how fucking bad this ad is and that Mr Sub actually paid an agency for this pile of shit to even look long enough to consider whether or not it was offensive in any other way other than to my eyes. Ugh, Canadian ads are so VideoFACT.

christine ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 3:27 PM

It's a plainly offensive ad. "Not everyone likes surprises" makes fun of a very difficult family situation, and makes it clear we're only supposed to side with the shocked family, not the gay dad. We're also supposed to understand that "gay gay" is worse than "gay stupid". (Nobody even uses "gay happy" any more so that doesn't count). I'm amazed there's any question about this. If this is inclusion, leave me out.

Randy ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:12 PM

As a gay man, I don't find this offensive at all. I think it's amusing, although I don't think it's a great ad and certainly not one that's likely to help sell more subs. But, puhleeze, guys there's too much over-reaction over this kind of thing these days - people should lighten up.

Steve ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:24 PM

Hysterical!!! Commercial. I loved it. Once again the gay community puts its self back in the closet. Lighten up folks.

Todd ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:12 PM

Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. It is perplexing that of all the "surprises" the ad agency could have used, they picked this, but it's not exactly offensive -- and quite frankly, it's not even that great of an ad to begin with. Besides, there are worse subtlely anti-gay ads out there... ;) (www.theonion.com/.../new_anti_smoking_ads_warn_teens

Megan ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:52 PM

1) Not everyone likes surprises
2) Surprise = being gay
3) Not everyone likes being gay

QED

I'm of two minds -- it's a faintly homophobic ad, but more importantly a really dumb one.

Dan ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:46 PM

I can see how it's offensive. But mostly it's just a bad ad. Not funny. Not clever.

Anyway, why fire the ad agency? Mr. Sub had to have seen it and approved it. So they aired a commercial that they've never seen? Scapegoat.

david ca


Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:29 PM

Offensive and regressive.

David ca


Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:20 AM

here's an excerpt I found from a Youtube commenter that I think summarizes perfectly what I thought of this ad.

"coming out is no joke. it is a traumatic experience that often tears families apart, causes depression, and even suicides. somethings just shouldn't be mocked."

as a gay man, I was really uncomfortable watching the ad. I don't think we're ready to make light of a situation like that. not yet.

dannyal ca


Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:46 AM

let's see, after spawning about a dozen or so mini-humans, dear ol dad comes out.
not funny and not offensive. just so, so average. pretty much what I've come to expect from 99% of the human population.
average,self-indulgent,selfish and mediocre.

what is offensive: the general perpetual ignorance of most people world-wide in 2009.

Michael★ us


Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:34 AM

I am gay and I certainly don't find this advert offensive. It's not funny or even particularly good but it isn't offensive. I think we need to lighten up about the whole situation. People use the word gay around me to say that something is bad but you don't find me complaining, usually i'm laughing and agreeing with them. The sooner we can stop over reacting and just accept that gay has many meanings the better.

Phil gb


Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:23 AM

He's not actually gay. He's really bisexual. He has a quite successful heterosexual life but obviously he has a taste for gay sex on the side. Unfortunately he also suffers from internalized biphobia so he finds it much easier to say "gay" than "bisexual" since for most people the only thing worse than being gay is being bi. This was a crappy commercial anyway for the sponsor. They are trying to sell sub sandwiches and the commercial shows a family sitting around the dinner table with no subs in sight. If you want to sell subs then show subs and talk about subs and tell everyone how your subs are the very best in all the land, etc. The sponsor was right to dump this ad agency and find someone else who will actually sell subs and who also understands the difference between gay and bi. Perhaps they could have an ad featuring a gay sub. What is the difference between a gay sub and a straight sub? Hmmm....

Yours Truly ca


Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:58 AM

An afterthought:- Perhaps they should pay the TICOT Empress or Enza Supermodel to do a sub commercial. She would be sitting and eating a sub and a narrator would say:- "Life is not always what you think it is but from Mr Sub you will always get the straight goods!"

Yours Truly ca


Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:56 PM

Corporations must learn that they cannot sell their products at the expense of an oppressed community.

Mr. Sub is perpetuating discrimination and prejudice towards the LGBT community with this commercial.

All too often the LGBT community is faced with harrassment and discrimination in workplaces, communities, and families.

Queer youth are disproportionately affected with homelessness because they are rejected by their families when they come out.

Many adults also have had contact with their familes strained due to systemic homophobia that is fueled by the corporate greed to sell their product at the expense of an oppressed group.

We must not tolerate this blatant corporate Homophobia A real understanding of how media works in its oppressive advertising.

In this case it is directed towards the LGBT community however it happens all the time to some element of our society.

Capitalism is a system based on exploiting group of individuals in society; it is required to continually undermine the value of working class people. Oppressed groups may feel its affects economically, socially or politically.

Capitalists try to maintain this power over many communities because without the negative affects of capitalism they would soon loose their power because they are such a small number with great wealth.

The Union movement more specifically the CAW has done much work to help bring about change for working class people, the unity and solidarity is a direct push back against capitalism.

The goals of the CAW remain liberation for all working class people.
Capitalism creates marginalized communities because the system requires inequities to take from working class and adds to its upper wealth; we see this with lower pay scales for some workers or workplaces.

When we fight back we are doing so for all workers because their struggle is ours too

Billy O'Neill CAW Local 707 ca


Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:46 PM

i am gay. the commercial was just flat out wrong. mr. sub might like to start watching what goes out before it goes out.

rick us


Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:49 AM

I don't think the intent was to be offensive, and intent is everything in determining homophobia. I think the intent was to be edgy and let's be real, even my very liberal parents were shaken back in the 1980s and coming out is still rarely if ever taken as good news. That said, it falls flat - I'm rather confused and unsure why I should buy their subs. But then again, I loved those cheese ads (Stop cooking with cheese!) that eventually got pulled because they upset too many people. Though I don't think I bought more cheese as a result.

Alex MacLean ca


Thursday, October 8, 2009 3:22 AM

I'd like to know why the CAW thinks it is mandated to speak on my behalf. First in the article, and then in the comments. Go away. Don't you have out of work auto workers to assist?

Alex MacLean ca


Friday, October 9, 2009 1:19 AM

"Not everyone likes surprises". What's not to like? He told them he was gay. Oh right, being gay is a bad thing(read sarcasm). I don't know how anyone can say this isn't anti-gay. Self-loathing I guess.

CJ ca


Friday, October 9, 2009 5:20 AM

Oh for fucks sakes.
Get real.
The ad is NOT homophobic. If you think this is homophobic - fuck off and get over yourself.
Jesus Christ - stop looking for oppression and tsk tsk shit every fucking where you look. Canada is made up of close to 70% urban dwellers with pretty decent cosmopolitan attitudes. So fuck off with the constant assessment that Canadians are homophobes.
Jesus - you want proof?
Look at the all the people in the ad. When he announces he's gay, how many keel over, or say "That's sick" or "That's wrong"? None.
You know why?
Because maybe one in eight Canadians gives a fucking shit what your sexual proclivity is. It's over you fucking retards. We're accepted. By about 75 percent of Canadians - or approximately the same number that aren't sticking their fingers in light sockets.
The ad is boring and doesn't sell sub sandwiches - but it sure as FUCK ain't homophobic.
Now fuck off with the whining.

Dan Poh ca


Friday, October 9, 2009 8:36 PM

@ Alex MacLean

The CAW is the largest private sector Union in Canada representing workers in all major sectors of the economy.

The diversity of our membership is what helps to build a stronger movement towards more inclusive and respectful workplaces and communities.

When CAW members speak out on issues that we find offensive we are doing it as individuals who come together in a collective approach to fight against Homophobia and Transphobia.

Let’s be clear the CAW has been active for many years fighting oppression of working class people.

CAW members where present in London, Thunder Bay and Oshawa when Homophobic attacks took place on members of these communities. We live and work in these communities and we stand united to bring about change.

The CAW helped bring attention to the equal marriage debate in Canada and will also be present at the Rally on Sunday night at the U.S. Embassy in Toronto to support our American brothers and sisters in their struggle for social and legal equality.

You are well aware of the feeling associated with the coming out process and negative reactions that have been all too common within our community.

Coming out should be celebrated not portrayed in advertising of Mr. Sub sandwiches if the intent was to celebrate being yourself the agency has many other options to portray coming out.

3 hate crimes in London in the last two months, 1 in Thunder Bay, and these are just the well-reported incidents.

If we don't demand responsible advertising we run the risk of Homophobes justifying or excusing their hateful feelings and hurtful actions.

Mr. Sub leaves the interpretation to the viewer and often the viewer will deem it acceptable behavior to draw negative stereotypes.

There is a series of three commercials that have been made for Mr. Sub by the new advertising agency and all three have negative connotations associated with the.

Let's look at some points in the ad.

A traditional family is sitting around the table, happy smiling faces, kids with names direct from the bible.

The father comes out, is questioned as to the meaning of the word Gay as the facial reactions portray the destruction of the family.

Not everyone likes surprises...

I think we need to be careful about accepting the portrayal of LGBT in advertising simply because we are visible


Billy O'Neill CAW Local 707 Pride and Human Rights Chairperson

Billy O'Neill ca


Friday, October 9, 2009 9:12 PM

Give me a freakin' break. I just don't see what the problem is. Some of you are just whiners with no sense of humor. Lighten up and quit just looking for something to bitch about. You might find life to be much more enjoyable.

BeauAustinTX us


Saturday, October 10, 2009 4:12 AM

It's not "whining" to stand up and demand respect. That should be everyone's expectation. Suggesting there is something negative about being gay( a bad surprise), isn't respectful towards those of us who are gay. Those who wrote the ad need to "get over themselves", with their condescending attitude. I will not accept it. Someone wrote there is no one in the ad said "that's sick". This would have indeed made the ad worse. However, live I said, I refuse to lower my expectations, no matter how much I'm told to "fuck off". Just imagine if this father had announced he's Jewish, and the ending said "not everyone likes surprises...". I'm sure that years ago, much more homophobic ads would be accepted by many people. That doesn't make this one right.

CJ ca


Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:04 PM

It's just a stupid ad, trying to parodize the coming out experience, of which it does a lousy job. I don't even like their sandwiches anyway, Quiznos are much better.

Kieran Earles ca



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